Extra training for mental health workers after rise in attacks in Lancashire (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Are we reaping the seeds sowed a few years ago? Perhaps the cuts may have something to with it. Will Susan Rigg be going on these wards to tell the aggressors to mend their ways? £20, Billion taken out of the NHS and it won't affect patient care. It doesn't seem like that from here. Perhaps care in the community is the way forward-not.

The problem is that people with mental health problems are becoming very paranoid and feel they are under threat with the cuts, things have become so bad I have had to disconnect my phone due to one particular person ringing me in the middle of the night worrying and stressed, but that don't help me when I have to get up at 6:30am I feel most of them have nothing to fear but something seems to be going wrong regarding communications and it needs sorting fast be fore more harm is done.

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:
The problem is that people with mental health problems are becoming very paranoid and feel they are under threat with the cuts, things have become so bad I have had to disconnect my phone due to one particular person ringing me in the middle of the night worrying and stressed, but that don't help me when I have to get up at 6:30am I feel most of them have nothing to fear but something seems to be going wrong regarding communications and it needs sorting fast be fore more harm is done.

i know a lot of people with mental health problems. most are getting 'more paranoid' or genuinely worried that they're being singled out in the benefits witch hunt.
they may look fit and well (that goes against them in any witch hunt 'medical') but that doesn't mean that they can cope with life as well as other people on a day to day basis.
what's it matter if they kill themselves , it's one less benefit to pay out isn't it? this government set out telling half truths about people on IB to turn public opinion against ALL those on the benefit, not just those exploiting it.
as usual with this country it's teh honest who always suffer.
seems the mental health staff are bearing the brunt of this fact.

Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Am i in yet..? wrote:
Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Just let me know if I repeat myself its a problem I suffer from.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Mental Health Care teams have been struggling for a long time and more beds due to go for dementia patients.
Make it harder for people to get into the system by making them wait forever and you end up with people who are more ill.
Scare vulnerable people and they get more ill...as said a broken arm you can see....a damaged psyche you can't..
Yes protect the staff.....but protect the patients too....they are a darn sight more vulnerable.

Am i in yet..? wrote:

Am i in yet..? wrote:
Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Maybe the rise is due to benefit cuts and the inadequacy of the company left to assess claimants.. If they decide that a person is fit for work and the person is not fit then that said person is left with no help or means to gain a living. That person out of desperation might go to the extreme of either attempting to commit suicide and run the risk of nobody turning up to save them from themselves or assaulting an NHS worker rather than risk being arrested for assaulting a member of the public and going to prison simply to make themselves unemployable. If that is the case then the whole system of the assessments is questionable and its most likely the cause of rising assaults on members of the mental health teams. Or it could be that they are not well enough to have their benefits cut and they shouldn't have been in the community to begin with however there is nowhere else to put them. It was Thatchers government that closed all the mental health units releasing thousands of unstable patients into the community during the eighties and nineties. You can't just shut places like Brockhall and Calderstones without having repercussions a decade or two later in life. If places like Calderstones and Brockhall were running at full capacity as they once did and it was a simple process to send people there who claim to have mental health problems as they once did am 100% sure that we wouldn't have as many people on the sick claiming to suffer with mental health problems as we do. And there would be adequate safe accommodation with the correct care that these patients desperately need instead of treating mental health patients within the community as we have become accustomed to over the past fifteen years or so.

Just let me know if I repeat myself its a problem I suffer from.

After posting my repeated comments I then find this on the net explaining that its the NHS managers that are putting their staff at risk by not using the funds given to them by the government in the correct manner.

Quote: NHS managers in England have been accused of "shocking discrimination" in commissioning mental health services.

The Mental Health Policy Group from the London School of Economics said three-quarters of people with depression or anxiety got no treatment.

The committee of senior academics and medical professionals described this as a "real scandal".

Care Services Minister Paul Burstow said mental health should be treated as seriously as physical health issues.

The committee is headed by economist Professor Lord Richard Layard and includes some of the country's most eminent mental health experts.

Official guidance

It said the NHS in England was guilty of injustice in its treatment of people with mental illness.

The group's report found that among those aged under 65, nearly half of all ill-health was mental illness.

It said six million people had depression or anxiety conditions and yet three-quarters got no treatment.

This was often because NHS managers failed to commission properly the mental health services recommended in official guidance, the experts added.

They said £400m earmarked by the government for psychological therapy was not always used for its intended purpose because there was no obligation on managers to do so.

The committee concluded that mental health services should be expanded, but if anything it was being cut.

'Little cost'

Lord Layard said: "If local NHS commissioners want to improve their budgets, they should all be expanding their provision of psychological therapy.

"It will save them so much on their physical healthcare budgets that the net cost will be little or nothing.

"Mental health is so central to the health of individuals and of society that it needs its own cabinet minister."

Mr Burstow said investment in mental health services was "already delivering remarkable results".

"Mental ill-health costs £105bn per year and I have always been clear that it should be treated as seriously as physical health problems," he said.

"We will shortly publish our plans to make sure the NHS, councils, voluntary organisations and others can play their part in improving the nation's mental health.

"The coalition government is investing £400m to make sure talking therapies are available to people of all ages who need them."

Jobcentreplus make people mentally ill.

Heretical wrote:
Couldn't agree with you more.
Mental Health Care teams have been struggling for a long time and more beds due to go for dementia patients.
Make it harder for people to get into the system by making them wait forever and you end up with people who are more ill.
Scare vulnerable people and they get more ill...as said a broken arm you can see....a damaged psyche you can't..
Yes protect the staff.....but protect the patients too....they are a darn sight more vulnerable.

the quickest, yet most risky way to get into teh system is to ahve a go at killing yourself, pretty soon it'll probably be the only way.
waiting for help takes forever.
imagine going to hospital witha broken leg and being told to wait 6 months.
still "they have mental health problems, what the hell does it matter".
as said above like most things wrong with this country now this goes back to thatcher.