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Burnley v Blackburn Rovers derby game arrangements revealed
6:02pm Tuesday 16th March 2010 in
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- By Chris Hopper » Reporter
FANS will be taken into Turf Moor up to two-and-a-half hours before kick-off for the East Lancashire derby match later this month.
Police, along with Clarets and Rovers bosses, have made a raft of changes to normal match-day arrangements to cope with the Turf Moor game on March 28.
All Blackburn Rovers fans will be transported to the ground in coaches and taken directly to the turnstiles from 9.30am, with kick-off not until noon.
Then turnstiles for Burnley fans will open at 10.30am, with officials urging supporters to arrive early for the game.
Bosses said the changes had been made for the 'safety and security of everyone attending the game'.
Officials will also make changes in roads around Turf Moor.
Part of Harry Potts Way and Belvedere Road will be used for Blackburn coaches, meaning Burnley fans will have to take detours around the ground.
Supporters in the James Hargreaves and Jimmy McIlroy stands will use Belvedere Road or Harry Potts Way, and fans in the Bob Lord stand will have to exit left from Turf Moor.
Club officials said car parking would be accessed as normal before the game, except for Higgins Street, which will be a no-parking zone for pedestrian safety.
Supporters using the Harry Potts Way car park will not be able to return to their cars until all coaches have left.
All pubs in the area will be open as normal.
A police spokesman said: “These have been agreed following a series of meetings between senior officials from the two clubs, Lancashire Constabulary and representatives from the Clarets Trust, acting in the interest of Burnley supporters.
"We would ask that all supporters understand these arrangements have been made for the safety and security of everyone attending the game at Turf Moor, which is our primary concern.”
Comments(68)
walshy 3-2
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6:20pm Tue 16 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:the biggest load of crap ive heard is your prediction
Biggest load of c**p Ive heard since last October. Totally over the top and unneccessary. What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se. At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays. My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1. But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood. Ossy Claret
bluerover
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6:24pm Tue 16 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Quite right Phil. Is i incarcerating a group of people for 2 1/2 hours in a small space safer than perhaps delivering the fans straight into the ground at around 1 hour before KO. I dont know the geography around the turf but surely the police could close a few roads, keep fans a good stones throw (literally!) away from edge of road and bus the rovers fans straight to the turnstile and then the buses move away.
Biggest load of c**p Ive heard since last October. Totally over the top and unneccessary.
What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se.
At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays.
My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1.
But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood.
Ossy Claret
Maybe in years to come we will be parachuted into the ground. We'd have to do a better job than the last one did though! Didn't KO get put back after a squadie landed on the roof?
philipmorris
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6:26pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Think the 31 year wait will soon be over!
Ossy Claret
vintageclaret
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6:28pm Tue 16 Mar 10
walshy 3-2 wrote:No the biggest load of c*** is the fact he's not even a Claret supporter , in fact a closet BRFC fan only been on 4 times since 1974 (but he reminds us that he buys merchandise. I think he must also be colour blind as well as blinkered mistaking Claret & Blue for Blue & White. Must disagree with his forecast as well, it will be 3-0 to the Clarets after having seen 2 Rovers players sent off (take your choice) & BFS red cared as well because of his disgust at his team and venting his spleen on the ref. :-)))) LOL
philipmorris wrote: Biggest load of c**p Ive heard since last October. Totally over the top and unneccessary. What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se. At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays. My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1. But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood. Ossy Claretthe biggest load of crap ive heard is your prediction
CapitaBackHander
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6:31pm Tue 16 Mar 10
philipmorris
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6:32pm Tue 16 Mar 10
At least i can post some real comments which generates discussion. I doubt whether a 3-0 is on the cards but you never know they are carrying as few injuries and we must improve sooner or later.
If we win the Blackburn game and couple of aways weve still got a chance ofstaying up
Ossy Claret
bed and breakfast man_!
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6:38pm Tue 16 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Do you call coming to Ewood, And losing raising your game ?.If that is the case you have raised your game a lot this season.....And lost.
Yeah thats right. I stick to my prediction. We will raise our game ( (as we did at Ewood) in a local derby, the atmosphere will be hostile and you are not much than us away from home. Think the 31 year wait will soon be over! Ossy Claret
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B&Q will do cracking trade selling 8x4 sheets of ply, To board up there shops for the Burnley smashing spree after Burnley lose.
Stone Island
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6:42pm Tue 16 Mar 10
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Those were the days my friends.
vintageclaret
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6:57pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Stone Island wrote:Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.
ex-forces
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7:21pm Tue 16 Mar 10
blackburner
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7:35pm Tue 16 Mar 10
its a god **** game of football, i've been to burnley a few times over the years & never had any problem, the match commander wants to get a grip of reality,
Blue Army
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7:36pm Tue 16 Mar 10
ex-forces
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7:45pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Blue Army wrote:People are 'moaning' because it was pathetic in 2005, it was pathetic for the game at ewood(Burnley fans who live 5mins away from ewood having to go to burnley to go to blackburn for the game to then have to go back to burnley to go home to blackburn!!! WTF!!!) and it is pathetic now, this is being blown so out of proportion and it's the real fans who are being affected, if scousers and mancs can get through the day without all this bol#ox then surely anyone can!!!
Dont know what everyone is moaning about, its happened in 2005, same again for the match at Ewood, fair enough its stupid what is having to happen to get the supporters there but its not like no-one knew about it, Game on, C`Mon You Bluuuuue`s
BlueSkies
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7:52pm Tue 16 Mar 10
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3-0 to the Dingles? Dare to dream-on!
MJ Rover
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10:12pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Sadly, the few idiots ruin it and inconvenience the many who are just there to enjoy the game and have some friendly banter. It is a sad world we live in.
eddie the eagle
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10:53pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Celtic Rover
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10:59pm Tue 16 Mar 10
nds if Allardyce has the balls to go 4-4-2 and take the game to them and goes for the win right from the start.If he does we should have too much for Burnley.On the other hand if he continues with his negative 4-5-1 the unthinkable will probably happen.
Gladiator
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11:17pm Tue 16 Mar 10
Miller11
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11:27pm Tue 16 Mar 10
The Blackburn Burnley rivalry is different.
I know people from Blackburn who couldn't give a toss about football. I know people from Blackburn who hate football... but they don't like Burnley. They would never set foot in the place. Its a rivalry between the towns as well as the supporters of the teams.
However, that said, I feel that the over policing is too much.
Media hype from the 70's and 80's still lingers on.
Could be worse though, Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 is too frequently being used by police forces against football supporters (high profile cases being Greater Manchester Police with Stoke fans and Plymouth fans by police in Doncaster).
Also, have a look at what occurred between Sunderland fans and Northumbria police at Newcastle Central Station.
Proper football supporters are treated like dirt all over Britain.
Here's some facts and figures for you:
Last year 37 Million people attended football Matches, less than 4,000 arrests were made. Of that number, less than 400 were for violent crimes.
These are home office figures.
makaveli96
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7:24am Wed 17 Mar 10
My mate Jamesy told me we have to travel the night before!
makaveli96
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7:26am Wed 17 Mar 10
walshy 3-2 wrote:And when was the last time the dingles beat us at the Turf in the top flight?
philipmorris wrote: Biggest load of c**p Ive heard since last October. Totally over the top and unneccessary. What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se. At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays. My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1. But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood. Ossy Claretthe biggest load of crap ive heard is your prediction
Over 40 years!
Morst
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7:28am Wed 17 Mar 10
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In 1977 Boxing Day at T'turf 15,000 Rovers fans invaded and it was like battle scenes from Lord Of The Rings all over inside and outside the ground.
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After those games we only played about 4 more derbies and the away fans were monitored closely from the coaches and train stations and frog matched to the grounds.
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Football has changed a lot since then so its a nice day trip with coach and refreshments for everyone now and plenty of time to spend at the ground and admire the scenery!
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Sad but necessary otherwise the events above would be reapeated after a few beers and mob mentality and we all know it!
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31st......
ex-forces
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7:45am Wed 17 Mar 10
Gladiator wrote:And why do you think that is!!! I wouldn't have bothered either if I had to go through all that crap, and he isn't the only Burnley fan who lives in blackburn!!
Would just like to say that the Burnley fan who lives 5 minutes from Ewood, didn't even end up going to the game in October after all!!
ex-forces
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8:09am Wed 17 Mar 10
MJ Rover wrote:people are not saying that the police should do nothing, people are saying what they are doing is over the top, just let the game be like any other game, increase policing and if there is any trouble then deal with it, with the amount of CCTV around the grounds nowadays the idiots should not be hard to spot, and like I said earlier if you make the punishment fit the bill then if these 'fans' really loved their club then they would behave themselves and if they don't then atleast we will eventually weed this scum out of the beautiful game.
If the police did nothing and residents living in the area had windows put through or people fighting on the pavements outside, then they would have a lot to answer for. This way, while it may be over-the-top for the vast majority of supporters of both clubs, the police can ensure that there is little chance of trouble around the ground. Sadly, the few idiots ruin it and inconvenience the many who are just there to enjoy the game and have some friendly banter. It is a sad world we live in.
And in response to your comments morse, things have changed just a little bit since 72 and 77, those scenes were common all over the place not just this fixture, and in those days it was easy to get access to other parts of the grounds, I remember climbing the wall to watch the matches at rovers when I was a kid!!! The police are bowing to the very small minority of idiots yet again.
DaveBurnley
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8:24am Wed 17 Mar 10
Morst
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8:36am Wed 17 Mar 10
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Anyway to the match - mines a Double Dave!
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31st YEAR AND COUNTING!
blueandwhitey79
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8:47am Wed 17 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Glad i couldnt get a ticket now, be a long wait til kick off, i'll just toddle to the pub a half hour before i think.. must be a better way of doing it.
Biggest load of c**p Ive heard since last October. Totally over the top and unneccessary. What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se. At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays. My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1. But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood. Ossy Claret
blueandwhitey79
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8:49am Wed 17 Mar 10
vintageclaret wrote:bolton is as big a derby but that was no big thing when we played them we were milling amongst each other
Stone Island wrote: Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
hasslem hasslem
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9:21am Wed 17 Mar 10
blueandwhitey79 wrote:dont be daft - nobody gives a monkey's chuff about bolton.
vintageclaret wrote:bolton is as big a derby but that was no big thing when we played them we were milling amongst each otherStone Island wrote: Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
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despite what bolton fans think they dont have any "derby" as such. they hate united with a passion - but does any united supporter treat bolton with anything other than contempt.
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city have one derby and it ain't bolton.
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we look to north east lancashire not the outskirts of manchester.
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wigan doesn't count (unless they are playing st.helens in a different game).
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preston have blackpool (and vice versa).
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in terms of derbies - bolton are orphans.
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saying bolton is a derby is like saying oldham is a derby (they are always referred to by the meedja as "lancashire hot-pots" and invariably carry an image of a whippet and some old geezer in a flat cap - let's patronise the notherners eh? talk about tightly knit houses all around the ground, fans descending from the hills and all that ****
hasslem hasslem
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9:30am Wed 17 Mar 10
Celtic Rover wrote:Celtic Rover - i agree with you that Strathcclyde cops have got it sussed, but it wasnt always thus. It is helped by the fact that they can execute the plan at least 4 times a season (and often more).
Hope they sell a decent pint at the Turf these days.We are going to have plenty of time to kill if we are in the ground for 9:30. Ex-forces, couldn't agree more, been to a few auld firm games over the years and the police up the road have got the balance just right.The last time i was in Celtic park i was wearing green and white and sat only twenty empty seats away from the Rangers.Plenty of banter but no trouble.Suppose the Lancashire police aren't as confident as StrathClyde due to the teams not playing each other on a regular basis.Hope the day passes trouble free and we add another away win to our miserable away form.Prediction,depe nds if Allardyce has the balls to go 4-4-2 and take the game to them and goes for the win right from the start.If he does we should have too much for Burnley.On the other hand if he continues with his negative 4-5-1 the unthinkable will probably happen.
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I have been to a couple of old firm games (one a parkhead one at hampden) and they do know what they are doing to the extent that supporters at hampden approach from different sides and one end is called the rangers end and the other celtic.
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i have also been in glasgow city centre after these games and it can get a bit hairy.
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my understanding is there have been a few "issues" on the ferries back to Larne after these games too.
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So, whilst i agree it is largely posturing inside the ground with some silly chanting - there is usually some afters in these fixtures. As far a I am concerned as long as the relevant people who want a scrap end up fighting each other, then game on. what is not appropriate is when innocent bystanders get roped in and when there is damage to other people's property. this applies as much to rovers/dingle supporters as it does to rangers/celtic fans or weztam/millwall (and so on).
Roverthere
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9:34am Wed 17 Mar 10
hasslem hasslem
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9:44am Wed 17 Mar 10
Roverthere wrote:the burnely defence will be boycotting the match - they have been effectively doing a "sit-down" protest and a "work to rule" for the last couple of months.
Complete overthetop policing. Both sets of fans should protest strongly to this type of treatment. Which I doubt can be justified legally anyway. Total nonsense! Better all away support boycott the match.
pez63
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9:45am Wed 17 Mar 10
jackson15
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10:54am Wed 17 Mar 10
philipmorris
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12:23pm Wed 17 Mar 10
Id put the away following that day at around 11,000, which is about the same as we took to Ewood later that season.
In those days you just turned up paid 50p admission ( junior) and got in!
Ossy Claret
Billypieman
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12:46pm Wed 17 Mar 10
bankhall
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1:19pm Wed 17 Mar 10
Morst
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1:38pm Wed 17 Mar 10
hasslem hasslem wrote:Someone needs to tell Jeppo about the Burnley defence before he makes another post saying absolutely nothing!
Roverthere wrote:the burnely defence will be boycotting the match - they have been effectively doing a "sit-down" protest and a "work to rule" for the last couple of months.
Complete overthetop policing. Both sets of fans should protest strongly to this type of treatment. Which I doubt can be justified legally anyway. Total nonsense! Better all away support boycott the match.
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31st.......
Morst
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1:43pm Wed 17 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Gates shut at 1.30pm on Rovers half of Longside - 6 - 7,000? Cricket field stand - 5,500? Open end errupted when Rovers scored 4,000+? Bob Lord Stand 250? It was Boxing Day and we were in the top two at the time.
15,000 Rovers fans at the Turf in 1977?. I dont think so. The crowd was around 27,500, Rovers had a big following and pockets of their supporters were all over Turf Moor apart from the home section of the Longside.
Id put the away following that day at around 11,000, which is about the same as we took to Ewood later that season.
In those days you just turned up paid 50p admission ( junior) and got in!
Ossy Claret
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Clarets did not bring that many to Ewood - 5k perhaps.
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31st.......
rovers_1995
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2:08pm Wed 17 Mar 10
pez63
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2:32pm Wed 17 Mar 10
marghen
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2:58pm Wed 17 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:I attended both Boxing day away games in season 77/78 (2-3) & 78/79 (2-1) the latter game was truly historic..the last occasion the Clarets did the double over Rovers!.
15,000 Rovers fans at the Turf in 1977?. I dont think so. The crowd was around 27,500, Rovers had a big following and pockets of their supporters were all over Turf Moor apart from the home section of the Longside. Id put the away following that day at around 11,000, which is about the same as we took to Ewood later that season. In those days you just turned up paid 50p admission ( junior) and got in! Ossy Claret
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Attendance wise, both games attracted high 20k gates officially -IMO there was well over 30k -How many Rovers fans?-a hell of a lot, not sure how to estimate the true figures-For 77/78 game I was in the Longside (sp) and for the 78/79 I was in the Cricket field. For both games Rovers main congregation of fans were housed in a Longside section, other Rovers fans where sprinkled all over the ground, when Rovers scored pockets of fans could be seen celebrating - I’m certain that more Burnley fans attended the game than Rovers fans, so 15k Rovers fans is an over estimation, perhaps more like 12k IMO. I could be wrong!
vintageclaret
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4:49pm Wed 17 Mar 10
pez63 wrote:Aren't you the complete epitome of a total t*****r. Your sort are the type of scum that give the normal British fan a bad name. If you think that's all the game is about look at hasslem's comments and perhaps something may penetrate that thick Neanderthal skull of yours. I go to the Turf with my wife for an enjoyable (sometimes not) few hours together, sharing a common subject. People like you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near decent society and that is why we have this OTT policing and ditto at Ewood. Yes that was a long day too but if the likes of you are kept away then I and I am sure other true fans will accept it but with our moans directed at the wrong cause instead of routing such as you out.
IF YOU WANT A BEER WATCHING THE GAME BLACKPOOL bolton WIGAN OSSY IS FINE ANYWHERE WILL DO AS LONG AS YOU DESTROY A DINGLE OR TOO.Personally i am up for a meet on Leeds and Liverpool any stretch anytime.
P.S Help I've morphed into Ossyclaret (sorry Ossy)
philipmorris
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6:09pm Wed 17 Mar 10
Returning to the Boxing Day 1977 battle at Turf Moor, its true Blackburn were about third in the League and we were near the bottom.But I would still estimate the Rovers following at around 11,000. True they packed out half the Longside ( just a fence no no mans lands in those days) and had groups all over the Turf apart from the Home haLf of the Longside. But these were small groups and scattered all over the place.
The game itself was played out in an electric atmosphere with Rovers building up a 0-3 lead in the first half which could have been 0-4 but for a brilliant save by Stevenson. We then forced our way back with goals by Noble and Ingham I think leaving Rovers clinging on for a win in 7 minutes of injury time. Gained our revenge with a 0-1 win at Ewood the following Easter.
Outside the ground all hell broke loose with disturbances, running fights, police dogs. Blackburn fans again scattered all over the centre and on the main roads out of town back to Accy and Blackburn. Was some serious disturbances caused by inadequate policing of an admittedly massive following. This maybe explains police attitudes to these games.
Ossy Claret
French Rover
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6:30pm Wed 17 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Those were the days.....laced-up shiny red docs, blue silk scarf tied to the wrist, the Rovers lads could take any ground and any crew in the country! We went in ones and twos into the middle of the Burnley fans in the Darwen end before the start of the game, maybe 30 then joined together as soon as the whistle went, we didnt half give the Burnley fans a shock and a bit of a pasting! One of the Rovers fans (Della) was arrested by a PoliceWOMAN (made the front page of the LET) and the police just escorted us out and into the Blackburn end. Those were the days.....still miss the cameraderie but not the kicks and bottles and stones and coins that came at us! Much safer and saner now, just the times back then were more lawless maybe?
I will not condescend to rely to the earlier abusive email. Returning to the Boxing Day 1977 battle at Turf Moor, its true Blackburn were about third in the League and we were near the bottom.But I would still estimate the Rovers following at around 11,000. True they packed out half the Longside ( just a fence no no mans lands in those days) and had groups all over the Turf apart from the Home haLf of the Longside. But these were small groups and scattered all over the place. The game itself was played out in an electric atmosphere with Rovers building up a 0-3 lead in the first half which could have been 0-4 but for a brilliant save by Stevenson. We then forced our way back with goals by Noble and Ingham I think leaving Rovers clinging on for a win in 7 minutes of injury time. Gained our revenge with a 0-1 win at Ewood the following Easter. Outside the ground all hell broke loose with disturbances, running fights, police dogs. Blackburn fans again scattered all over the centre and on the main roads out of town back to Accy and Blackburn. Was some serious disturbances caused by inadequate policing of an admittedly massive following. This maybe explains police attitudes to these games. Ossy Claret
philipmorris
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6:44pm Wed 17 Mar 10
There were disturbances in Blackburn town centre and more seriously after the game as a big Burnley contingent travelling by train were confronted by a Blackburn End/Riverside group on the way back to Mill Hill. Loads of arrests, out of control yapping police dogs and a few shattered windows on the service train back.
This would never be allowed nowadays thank god. Lets just concentrate on the game.
Ossy Claret
Celtic Rover
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8:51pm Wed 17 Mar 10
banjo's at ewood
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10:34pm Wed 17 Mar 10
hasslem hasslem wrote:What the hell are you going on about. A football derby is determined by the distance between to two clubs not how much rivalry or otherwise exsists between the clubs. The rivalry between Deadwood Dingles and Burnley FC is sad. You love to beat them but don't want to play them, no nay never no more. A lot of Bolton fans consider Wigan to be our main rivals where as i just think their a joke. Our BIG hate is as you say manure but like it or not you are rivals of ours.
blueandwhitey79 wrote:dont be daft - nobody gives a monkey's chuff about bolton. . despite what bolton fans think they dont have any "derby" as such. they hate united with a passion - but does any united supporter treat bolton with anything other than contempt. . city have one derby and it ain't bolton. . we look to north east lancashire not the outskirts of manchester. . wigan doesn't count (unless they are playing st.helens in a different game). . preston have blackpool (and vice versa). . in terms of derbies - bolton are orphans. . saying bolton is a derby is like saying oldham is a derby (they are always referred to by the meedja as "lancashire hot-pots" and invariably carry an image of a whippet and some old geezer in a flat cap - let's patronise the notherners eh? talk about tightly knit houses all around the ground, fans descending from the hills and all that ****vintageclaret wrote:bolton is as big a derby but that was no big thing when we played them we were milling amongst each otherStone Island wrote: Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
hasslem hasslem
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12:45am Thu 18 Mar 10
banjo's at ewood wrote:nobody cares about you, or your club.
hasslem hasslem wrote:What the hell are you going on about. A football derby is determined by the distance between to two clubs not how much rivalry or otherwise exsists between the clubs. The rivalry between Deadwood Dingles and Burnley FC is sad. You love to beat them but don't want to play them, no nay never no more. A lot of Bolton fans consider Wigan to be our main rivals where as i just think their a joke. Our BIG hate is as you say manure but like it or not you are rivals of ours.blueandwhitey79 wrote:dont be daft - nobody gives a monkey's chuff about bolton. . despite what bolton fans think they dont have any "derby" as such. they hate united with a passion - but does any united supporter treat bolton with anything other than contempt. . city have one derby and it ain't bolton. . we look to north east lancashire not the outskirts of manchester. . wigan doesn't count (unless they are playing st.helens in a different game). . preston have blackpool (and vice versa). . in terms of derbies - bolton are orphans. . saying bolton is a derby is like saying oldham is a derby (they are always referred to by the meedja as "lancashire hot-pots" and invariably carry an image of a whippet and some old geezer in a flat cap - let's patronise the notherners eh? talk about tightly knit houses all around the ground, fans descending from the hills and all that ****vintageclaret wrote:bolton is as big a derby but that was no big thing when we played them we were milling amongst each otherStone Island wrote: Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
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now off you go and listen to nowhere man by the beatles
Roverthere
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4:20am Thu 18 Mar 10
Morst
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7:00am Thu 18 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Phil - if memory serves me that was the famous Kwik Save ambush!
In the retrun at Ewood the following Easter Rovers dominated the game but we managed to carve out a 0-1 win marshalled by Peter Noble. No folding like a bunch of pansies in those days.
There were disturbances in Blackburn town centre and more seriously after the game as a big Burnley contingent travelling by train were confronted by a Blackburn End/Riverside group on the way back to Mill Hill. Loads of arrests, out of control yapping police dogs and a few shattered windows on the service train back.
This would never be allowed nowadays thank god. Lets just concentrate on the game.
Ossy Claret
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As regards 1977 all I can say is as I went through the turnstyle at 1.30pm (3.0pm KO) the police inspector went balistic and shouted - shut those gates now as we are already way over capacity in here. The gatemen and police on the outside did not look to keen because there were a lot of angry Rovers fans left outside to deal with.
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Given the Cricket Field stand was all ticket that left 1.5 hours of Rovers fans on boxing day arriving and heading for the Burnley home section - I think it was more than a few pockets went up when we scored! The police then made a barrier between the open end and the home side of the longside. Still we can agree it was somewhere between 11k and 15K!
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We will never see the likes of that again which is a good thing for trouble etc but sad for what made for an incredible atmosphere?
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Another game I recall back then which still bugs me was a 2-2 draw at Ewood (was it the year before?). We were 2-0 up and it could have been 5 as we really murdered you but Noble scored twice in the last 8 mins or so to earn you a draw?
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ex-forces
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8:41am Thu 18 Mar 10
pez63 wrote:Pez, you are a c#ck! and the whole reason for these circumstances. what the hell is your problem?? get in the spirit of the game instead of spouting your poison everywhere, and learn to f##king spell!! 2(two) not too!!! derrrrr
IF YOU WANT A BEER WATCHING THE GAME BLACKPOOL bolton WIGAN OSSY IS FINE ANYWHERE WILL DO AS LONG AS YOU DESTROY A DINGLE OR TOO.Personally i am up for a meet on Leeds and Liverpool any stretch anytime.
Billypieman
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9:20am Thu 18 Mar 10
banjo's at ewood wrote:Yet again you expose yourself as the most ill informed idiot on these boards. Rovers fans DON'T CARE ABOUT BOLTON. Derbies are not simply about distance betweeen the teams. It's about history of the clubs, history of the relationship between the towns themselves and the supporters of the respective clubs. "El Derby" in Spain is Real V Barca. Is that about distance?No. It's about identity, politics and nationality. Rovers and Burnley have a rich history of football and inter town rivalry. You have nothing other than a lifeless, soulless ground in a shopping centre on the edge of a non-football town. The sad thing is you are looking for someone to hate you, when in reality you are just a nobody following a non entity club.
hasslem hasslem wrote:What the hell are you going on about. A football derby is determined by the distance between to two clubs not how much rivalry or otherwise exsists between the clubs. The rivalry between Deadwood Dingles and Burnley FC is sad. You love to beat them but don't want to play them, no nay never no more. A lot of Bolton fans consider Wigan to be our main rivals where as i just think their a joke. Our BIG hate is as you say manure but like it or not you are rivals of ours.blueandwhitey79 wrote:dont be daft - nobody gives a monkey's chuff about bolton. . despite what bolton fans think they dont have any "derby" as such. they hate united with a passion - but does any united supporter treat bolton with anything other than contempt. . city have one derby and it ain't bolton. . we look to north east lancashire not the outskirts of manchester. . wigan doesn't count (unless they are playing st.helens in a different game). . preston have blackpool (and vice versa). . in terms of derbies - bolton are orphans. . saying bolton is a derby is like saying oldham is a derby (they are always referred to by the meedja as "lancashire hot-pots" and invariably carry an image of a whippet and some old geezer in a flat cap - let's patronise the notherners eh? talk about tightly knit houses all around the ground, fans descending from the hills and all that ****vintageclaret wrote:bolton is as big a derby but that was no big thing when we played them we were milling amongst each otherStone Island wrote: Can everyone not just make their own way to the ground, at their own time, and by what ever mode of transport they choose, just like the good old days? . Those were the days my friends.Yes they were. I remember how we used to come out of teh station & the double decker buses were waiting just round the corner to the left. Really were good old days with some good banter between both sets of fans without all this stupid, hatred, bitterness and incentive towards violence. As a true fan of the game & more specifically Burnley, I for one would feel sad to see the Rovers go down and I am sure, there will be a likewise feeling from genuine Rovers fans of the game. I suppose that will now be a reason for a lot of filth posted after this, they say "C'est la vie" but it needn't be.
aussie odg
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9:21am Thu 18 Mar 10
spyderleg
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10:07am Thu 18 Mar 10
French Rover wrote:Happy days matey...but as I remember it the two of us could never catch any apposing fans due to the fact we kept tripping over our flowing locks....It's a pity the same can't be said these days (the hair styles I mean) R.I.P. Della a top lad!
philipmorris wrote: I will not condescend to rely to the earlier abusive email. Returning to the Boxing Day 1977 battle at Turf Moor, its true Blackburn were about third in the League and we were near the bottom.But I would still estimate the Rovers following at around 11,000. True they packed out half the Longside ( just a fence no no mans lands in those days) and had groups all over the Turf apart from the Home haLf of the Longside. But these were small groups and scattered all over the place. The game itself was played out in an electric atmosphere with Rovers building up a 0-3 lead in the first half which could have been 0-4 but for a brilliant save by Stevenson. We then forced our way back with goals by Noble and Ingham I think leaving Rovers clinging on for a win in 7 minutes of injury time. Gained our revenge with a 0-1 win at Ewood the following Easter. Outside the ground all hell broke loose with disturbances, running fights, police dogs. Blackburn fans again scattered all over the centre and on the main roads out of town back to Accy and Blackburn. Was some serious disturbances caused by inadequate policing of an admittedly massive following. This maybe explains police attitudes to these games. Ossy ClaretThose were the days.....laced-up shiny red docs, blue silk scarf tied to the wrist, the Rovers lads could take any ground and any crew in the country! We went in ones and twos into the middle of the Burnley fans in the Darwen end before the start of the game, maybe 30 then joined together as soon as the whistle went, we didnt half give the Burnley fans a shock and a bit of a pasting! One of the Rovers fans (Della) was arrested by a PoliceWOMAN (made the front page of the LET) and the police just escorted us out and into the Blackburn end. Those were the days.....still miss the cameraderie but not the kicks and bottles and stones and coins that came at us! Much safer and saner now, just the times back then were more lawless maybe?
philipmorris
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12:11pm Thu 18 Mar 10
John Byrom played for Rovers and scored the first goal. To be honest we were totally outplayed but battled back and got 2 goals in the last 10 minutes courtesy of Noble and Brennan. That's what we used to have : real fighters proud to wear the shirt and force a draw even though completely outgunned on the day. Contrast the current lily-livered, going through the motions, robbing pile of c**p who simply fold week in week out. A bit like the 2001 5-0 hammering at Ewood : the only time Ive been truly ashamed of the club.
After the game again were confrontations on Bolton Road with police on horses giving Blackburn fans a real run around and felt a bit like the film Mohican on the way back to Mill Hill rail station with a big police escort. Thank god this kind of lunacy has been eradicated by ticketing and policing.
Ossy Claret
marghen
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2:58pm Thu 18 Mar 10
I tease, it was the day after ..27th December.
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The first Rovers v Clarets game I went to was a pre-season ‘friendly’ at Ewood not sure of the date mabe 69/70? -we lost easily 0-3? I think Steve Kindon scored ?
philipmorris
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3:34pm Thu 18 Mar 10
We were overrun on the pitch and outside after on Bolton Road. But what a comeback : real fighting spirit from genuine Burnley players to snatch a draw in the last ten minutes.
Current lot wouldnt be a***ed making the effort !
Was worth the trip just to see the gutted reactions of the Blackburn fans after the match though some of their mobs reacted in a very nasty way!
Lets hope we can do the same again at least next week.
Ossy Claret
Morst
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3:52pm Thu 18 Mar 10
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Another great memory was the only ever cup final played between the two clubs (can someone confirm the date?)
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It may only have been the Manx cup final or Isle of Man trophy but it was the only final between Rovers and Burnley so it was important.
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One Simon Garner scored the winner in a record crowd for that competition!
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Andy Pot Porter
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5:19pm Thu 18 Mar 10
Andy Pot Porter
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5:32pm Thu 18 Mar 10
Morst wrote:Well if isn't old Morst the Fartbreaker trying to rewrite history once again! I suppose that jibs are so thick that if you tell them a lie often enough they will start to believe it. Although I was only a nipper at the the time, I still have clear, happy memories of my dad and uncle cheerfully hurling yelping jibs over the Darwen End wall. I can only presume that one of them must have been the Fartbreaker himself who must have landed on his thick bounce and has never fully recovered. On Boxing Day, you were thoroughly routed and chased out of Burnley.
In 1972 the Police tried to form a barrier on the Riverside to keep fans apart so with 10 mins to go the Rovers fans ran outside the ground instead down Nuttal St and into the Darwen End and attacked the Burnley fans. It filled the front page of the LET for days as Burnley fans were thrown over the wall and a wall collapsed on them. Luckily it was no Hysel. . In 1977 Boxing Day at T'turf 15,000 Rovers fans invaded and it was like battle scenes from Lord Of The Rings all over inside and outside the ground. . After those games we only played about 4 more derbies and the away fans were monitored closely from the coaches and train stations and frog matched to the grounds. . Football has changed a lot since then so its a nice day trip with coach and refreshments for everyone now and plenty of time to spend at the ground and admire the scenery! . Sad but necessary otherwise the events above would be reapeated after a few beers and mob mentality and we all know it! . 31st......
Andy Pot Porter
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5:37pm Thu 18 Mar 10
pez63 wrote:Hey Pedo63, you'll need to learn how to swim first as you and the other jibs will end up in the canal.
IF YOU WANT A BEER WATCHING THE GAME BLACKPOOL bolton WIGAN OSSY IS FINE ANYWHERE WILL DO AS LONG AS YOU DESTROY A DINGLE OR TOO.Personally i am up for a meet on Leeds and Liverpool any stretch anytime.
Swim away!!!
Morst
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6:05pm Thu 18 Mar 10
Andy Pot Porter wrote:Ho No! Someone messed with the DNA again and brought the Dinasoar back!
Morst wrote:Well if isn't old Morst the Fartbreaker trying to rewrite history once again! I suppose that jibs are so thick that if you tell them a lie often enough they will start to believe it. Although I was only a nipper at the the time, I still have clear, happy memories of my dad and uncle cheerfully hurling yelping jibs over the Darwen End wall. I can only presume that one of them must have been the Fartbreaker himself who must have landed on his thick bounce and has never fully recovered. On Boxing Day, you were thoroughly routed and chased out of Burnley.
In 1972 the Police tried to form a barrier on the Riverside to keep fans apart so with 10 mins to go the Rovers fans ran outside the ground instead down Nuttal St and into the Darwen End and attacked the Burnley fans. It filled the front page of the LET for days as Burnley fans were thrown over the wall and a wall collapsed on them. Luckily it was no Hysel. . In 1977 Boxing Day at T'turf 15,000 Rovers fans invaded and it was like battle scenes from Lord Of The Rings all over inside and outside the ground. . After those games we only played about 4 more derbies and the away fans were monitored closely from the coaches and train stations and frog matched to the grounds. . Football has changed a lot since then so its a nice day trip with coach and refreshments for everyone now and plenty of time to spend at the ground and admire the scenery! . Sad but necessary otherwise the events above would be reapeated after a few beers and mob mentality and we all know it! . 31st......
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I think people are more likely to believe me as I don't claim to be tough or have taken part in hooliganism like you do - just to report the facts as I saw and witnessed them. Face it - PC Plod is far to clever for you my little Raptor!
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I will watch on TV next week then expecting to see no Rovers fans at T' Turf - anything else and you will be exposed as a fraud?
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duke bar
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6:37pm Thu 18 Mar 10
300 walked from accy into Blackburn centre and 150 stayed on the train wrecked the pubs and the ground.No Blackburn to be seen all day.
The days of fighting at match are long gone .It used to be wild between us. Then in the 80s Burnley were to much of a force for Blackburn off the pitch Rovers were the same on the Pitch.
Them days are confined to the History books now. Lets hope the best team wins on the Pitch (HOPE ITS US I REALY DO. COME ON THE CLARETS.(
Off the Pitch hope the Police get lots of money intheir wage packets for this unnecessary overtime.Hope its trouble free.
CliveE
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3:17pm Fri 19 Mar 10
Luckily for them ,this will not be happening again for a few years at least.
I just noticed that my security phrase is "life-line".I am afraid it is too late for The Clarets to be given one of those.
philipmorris
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1:20pm Sat 20 Mar 10
And what about all those away day run arounds at places like Cardiff, Carlisle, Bolton, Preston etc in the lower leagues. You hate people knowing that dont you!
Thankfully as you say most of its gone nowadays!
Ossy Claret
duke bar
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1:02pm Sun 21 Mar 10
philipmorris wrote:Phil away day run arounds in the 70s maybe.In the 80s sorry the only Place Burnley never turned up in force was maybe Cadiff.We went down one year with a few 1000.A few bricks thrown at the coaches and even an air rifle shot at one.
I dont recall it being like thatin the 70s . Was a bit like going to Bolton only on a smaller scale. In 77 frankly off the pitch was the same as on it at the Turf. And what about all those away day run arounds at places like Cardiff, Carlisle, Bolton, Preston etc in the lower leagues. You hate people knowing that dont you! Thankfully as you say most of its gone nowadays! Ossy Claret
It was revenge for what happend to them at the turf.
Cardiff got the shock of their lives when thye came to the turf for their promotion party in 1988. 1000S came and they got destroyed .Burnley on the pitch at the end of game.Bolton got the same treatment the same seaon.We played them in the Cup one week and the leauge the week after.Burnley was a bad place to come to back then.
Now its a walk in Park.
As i said these days are confined to the History books.We have grown up and moved on to better things thank god..
Anyone who behaves like this now has missed the boat. It is like being a teddy boy or a mod or rocker.Its all in the past.
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philipmorris says...
6:15pm Tue 16 Mar 10
What are the Blackburn fans going to do once in the ground?. Sounds like parking is going to be difficult and getting home after a pain in the a**se.
At least the boozers are open. But then you need a few stiffeners in them to handle games at the Turf nowadays.
My prediction Burnley 2- Blackburn1.
But it might well be too late in the day now thanks to Kilby and Flood.
Ossy Claret