Row over moving Blackburn Queen Victoria statue (From Lancashire Telegraph)

i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.

In this time of cut's how on earth can these dumbo's in Blackburn talk about spending millions if not a billion pounds on building a new center. We have no money,period. Unless of course these brain dead councillors are going to forgo their pensions to pay for it

I recall, looking in awe at this statue of victoria, when using the bus station in my schooldays. With the cathedral as a dackdrop, it is quite a wonderful sight. To lose it in the upcoming redevelopment would be a travesty.

If it needs to be removed from it's present site, then I'd suggest it be placed in the middle of the new proposed cathedral square.

It is a an imposing sculpture, and of a quality rarely seen in other towns and cities.

Will it go the same way as the listed Royal Infirmary wing?

Put the Queen Victoria statue outside the Town Hall on the centre of the town centre where she can keep her eyes open on these Local Councillors .

odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.

Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.

woolywords wrote:

odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.

Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.

Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest.

Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting.

why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

Leave things as they are,and stop finding ways of wasting money,generations of people know this location purely because of the statue, its a meeting place landmark,typical money wasting councillors,

madari wrote:
Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

There is a huge bronze statue of Queen Victoria in Lahore museum (Pakistan) which is 135 year old.
.....i wonder how many people have seen it when they visit Pakistan.....

ste.g wrote:
why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money

as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss?

ste.g wrote:
why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money

as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss?

Why is it that people seem to think this is a council-run scheme? It isn't - its a Church of England scheme. Let it be moved to where it needs to be moved... it is hardly in a prominent position where it is - hidden from visitors by bus shelters and parked buses, unless you know its there.

Move her over to Darwen Street.

I agree with cathedral citi, she would be most imposing in the middle of the new square.

On another matter, what a great job the council have done laying the new stone flags in King William Street, only for scruffs to spoil it by dropping their chewing gum. No respect, what a shame.

New location. Queen Victoria Street in Mill Hill. A fitting tribute to a Monarch who took the Great out of Great Britain by her negligence. Just like Mill Hill, Britain is the dumping ground for economic and migrant tourism.

madari wrote:
Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.

is that why you call ur self madari the snake charmer. from india.
"hypocrite"

Madari you scumbag go back to whatever third world country your from..

may i suggest takeing a bulldozer to it and use it as hardcore for the proposed site, after all its a big ugly eyesore

The church is just interested in making money not about religion any more , Christianity will be second class in Blackburn as it is I bet already

cathedral citi wrote:

woolywords wrote:

odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.

Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.

Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest.

Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting.

Dears Sir, Madam or both,

First of all, may I take this opportunity to wish you and yours, from me and mine, an Happy Christmas and to thank you for your kind remarks.

Your comment has reminded me of the one street name that I had forgotten to add to my list of relevancy to the statue's siting during my erstwhile encompassing suggestion, namely Barbra Castle Way. Therefore, I am left with no choice but to redress that, at this time.
(Barbra Castle Way is eminently suitable for anachronistic reasons and for it's dichotomy in terms. Let's start with the relevance detail, first.)
Barbra Castle succeeded Ernest Marples as Transport Secretary for State, although Marples gave us the fast roads, Castle could not drive, herself. Marples gave us the Preston By-pass, as the current Motorways were called then, since they weren't all connected. Only later were the modern Motorways, quite wrongly in my view, attributed to her, rather than him. Ironically, BCW by-passed the Driving Stands Agency, that used to be on Preston New Road (and has since moved to Heaven knows where).
Since Way implies many things to many men, I shall imply the following definition for it. Way, in the Roman sense of usage, a method of getting a vast body of men from point A to point B, as quickly as possible. Those seeing the massed phalanx, (pardon my use of the Greek term for a body of men, where a mere Legion does't seem enough) should give way. Therein lies the dichotomy.
You rush, like a man possesed, from King Street, (trying to get home for some 'quality time' with the kids) only to be slowed down by every niche, nook and cranny along the way. Much as progress was slowed by Disraeli to Gladstones', let's crack on. I did mention that they, Queen Victoria and Gladstone didn't see eye to eye and this was at the core of that. He was all for rapid change, she was still in mourning the loss of Albert and wanted nothing to change.

So this is why I thought that she would be happy to be overseeing our rapid transit system that is embuggered by another person, whom also happens to be a German. (Siemens, a German firm, makes the traffic signals.)

Personally, I have not measured the ballustrade that surrounds the current plinthe but am sure that a good Master Mason, could make it fit the circumfrential distance between the two parralel lines of traffic or some Polish bloke with a chop saw, as we want this done, on the cheap..


post scriptum.
I was nearly tempted to use the term, jam, when referring to congestion but since the BBC, those Masters of 'received English', have not deigned to reply to my explanation of the term jam and what they think it is, I've decided to 'not go there'.
Where one is a fruit conserve, and the other, a thing that stops a door swinging, it's easy to see how these Southerners have let proper spoken English has gone East by not listening to what they say.
The difference between jam and t'other is, one a fruit conserve, the other an hole inth wall, jamb.

Merry Christmas, all..
Love you, really.

I think a good place, would be the tip.