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VIDEO: Fury after yobs hurl fireworks at East Lancashire firemen

Lancashire Telegraph: MORNING AFTER Charred remains in Cedar Street, Bastwell MORNING AFTER Charred remains in Cedar Street, Bastwell

FIREFIGHTERS were ambushed by firework-throwing yobs in four separate terrifying attacks across East Lancashire.

In one incident crews said they were pelted with around 100 fireworks by youngsters as they attended an emergeny call.

Three attacks took place in Blackburn and one in Burnley and crew managers called it their ‘worst ever’ bonfire night.

Crew manager at Blackburn fire station, Dave Hilliard, described the youths as ‘absolute maniacs’.

In all of the attacks the crews had to retreat back to their fire engines. No-one was hurt.

In the first incident at 7pm, Blackburn firefighters were called to a blaze on the children's playing fields off Altom Street in the Shear Brow area.

But when they got out of the fire engine youngsters suddenly appeared and attacked the crews with rockets, bangers and Roman candles.

The officers had to retreat to their vehicle until police arrived.

Just 15 minutes later, at 7.15pm the same crew was attacked in Cedar Street, Bastwell, with bricks and fireworks.

The team was called to the street to put out a small fire. When they arrived they were again attacked, this time by a smaller group. They again had to retreat back to their vehicle.

There was then a further incident in Robinson Street at around midnight, where the crew had fireworks thrown at them as they put out a bonfire. They had bricks thrown at them as they were leaving.

Mr Hilliard said: “The first incident saw us called to a bonfire off Altom Street and when we arrived there was no-one there.

“We started to put it out and all of a sudden a large group of teenagers appeared and started throwing fireworks.

“The group of youths lined up and threw rockets, roman candles and bangers at us. It was the worst I had ever seen it.

“The police turned up and one of the officers was diving for cover. They had to phone for reinforcements. The kids eventually ran away when the police moved towards them."

He said: “It was an absolute disgrace. This has been the worst year so far for bonfire night attacks. We are always in real danger and putting our lives at risk but it seems to be getting worse.

“They are drawing us in and ambushing us.

“This just shouldn’t be happening. They need to have a bit of respect.”

Coun Shaukat Hussain said that he will be looking into the attacks to find out who is responsible.

He said: “This shouldn’t be happening because youths should be going to organised bonfires to start with. It’s just terrible that these false calls are stopping them and wasting valuable time and resources. I will be trying my hardest to find out who is responsible within the community. I am glad to hear that nobody was hurt.”

Shear Brow councillor Shahabuddin Solkar said: “This kind of behaviour is unacceptable. It is awful to think that they could do this kind of thing.”

In total, Blackburn were called to around 45 incidents of out of control fires on Bonfire Night.

Lancashire Fire and Rescue said this was a reduction on the previous year, when Bonfire Night was on a Sunday.

Crews from Accrington were called out six times but were on stand-by for Blackburn fire station because of the attacks.

Cedar Street resident Amna Haleem, 36, said that bonfire night brings out the worst in teenagers.

She said: “Teens think it’s funny to do something terrible like this and it’s much worse around this time of year. I think that the police should work harder to catch them."

Chandon Bethla, 24, is a student student at Blackburn College and has recently moved into the area from India, he said: “I am shocked that these children can get hold of fireworks in the first place, it’s just terrible news.”

Burnley fire crews were targeted by youths in Hurtley Street at about 7.30pm.

They attended reports that there were two seperate blazes when they had fireworks thrown at them.

Daneshouse with Stoneyholme Councillor Saaed Chaudhary said parents needed to know what their children were up to at this time of year.


He said: “The fire service are doing a good job. There is no doubt that this sort of attack is very dangerous.


“I would encourage parents of those involved to be aware of what their children are doing. It is their responsibility to know what they are involved in.”

• ON October 24 firefighters were pelted with stones as they attended a bonfire in the Roe Lee area of Blackburn.

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11:45am Wed 7 Nov 12

ladysal says...

In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do?
1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law?
2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do?

For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.
In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens. ladysal
  • Score: 5

11:54am Wed 7 Nov 12

bburngal says...

How about only having fireworks sold at supermarkets and not cornershops. It would make it harder for these little monsters to get hold of them.
How about only having fireworks sold at supermarkets and not cornershops. It would make it harder for these little monsters to get hold of them. bburngal
  • Score: 12

12:09pm Wed 7 Nov 12

ghanto says...

aprawara sells illegal fireworks
aprawara sells illegal fireworks ghanto
  • Score: 6

12:16pm Wed 7 Nov 12

juanbbien says...

How about finishing all together with this outdated and dangerous event I bet most of the participants don't even know what the ceremony is supposed to represent,it's now a excuse for more vandalism and a waste of tax payers money.
How about finishing all together with this outdated and dangerous event I bet most of the participants don't even know what the ceremony is supposed to represent,it's now a excuse for more vandalism and a waste of tax payers money. juanbbien
  • Score: 5

12:20pm Wed 7 Nov 12

wrinkles says...

It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun".
It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun". wrinkles
  • Score: 16

12:40pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Darren1951 says...

There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.
There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose. Darren1951
  • Score: 12

1:06pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Joseph O'M says...

wrinkles wrote:
It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun".
I agree
[quote][p][bold]wrinkles[/bold] wrote: It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun".[/p][/quote]I agree Joseph O'M
  • Score: 12

1:08pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Joseph O'M says...

Darren1951 wrote:
There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.
Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned.
[quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.[/p][/quote]Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned. Joseph O'M
  • Score: 8

1:41pm Wed 7 Nov 12

LancsLass says...

I think we should ban the sale of fireworks full stop they are dangerous and cause injury every year!! If they are to be sold how about only sell to licensed parties not to the public then everyone only attend organised displays and we wouldnt have the issue of fireworks going off for a month before the event and a month after the event either and on bonfire night the bangs may cease at a reasonable time instead of all hours
I think we should ban the sale of fireworks full stop they are dangerous and cause injury every year!! If they are to be sold how about only sell to licensed parties not to the public then everyone only attend organised displays and we wouldnt have the issue of fireworks going off for a month before the event and a month after the event either and on bonfire night the bangs may cease at a reasonable time instead of all hours LancsLass
  • Score: 3

2:00pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AndyW says...

Let's hope these little scrotes aren't ever in a position where they desperately need the help of these men.

And if they do, you never know, they might not be able to get to them in time, because some half-wit is prank calling the fire service...
Let's hope these little scrotes aren't ever in a position where they desperately need the help of these men. And if they do, you never know, they might not be able to get to them in time, because some half-wit is prank calling the fire service... AndyW
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Wed 7 Nov 12

jo-lee says...

I truly believe, that fireworks should only be sold under license i.e. anyone wanting fireworks on bonfire night should first apply for a license, proving their age and organisation the event is for. public should not be able to purchase fireworks willy nilly over the counter. lets face it; save a few thousand fireworks and you have a bomb. so frustratingly stupid and mad.
I truly believe, that fireworks should only be sold under license i.e. anyone wanting fireworks on bonfire night should first apply for a license, proving their age and organisation the event is for. public should not be able to purchase fireworks willy nilly over the counter. lets face it; save a few thousand fireworks and you have a bomb. so frustratingly stupid and mad. jo-lee
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Mike Oxsore says...

wrinkles wrote:
It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun".
Great idea, but you just know that if one of these little turds got injured as a result they'd be getting a five figure pay out.
[quote][p][bold]wrinkles[/bold] wrote: It's about time these fire engines were fitted with an easy access short hose pipe - a drenching with cold water should deter these youngsters. An added bonus for the police is that these drowned rats would be easily identifiable when they make their way home after their spate of "fun".[/p][/quote]Great idea, but you just know that if one of these little turds got injured as a result they'd be getting a five figure pay out. Mike Oxsore
  • Score: 3

2:57pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AndyW says...

They should be grateful - it's probably the most thorough wash they'll have in years.
They should be grateful - it's probably the most thorough wash they'll have in years. AndyW
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Wed 7 Nov 12

eastlancslad says...

Just an idea, but might it help matters if some of the local councillors and other leaders accompanied the fire engines around so that they could actually see WHO is causing the problems? The name them to the police. Or at least take some photographs so the police have half a chance of catching them.
Once caught and proved guilty, they can then serve a 8 hour sentence in the stocks one Saturday in King William Street...
I won't hold my breath.
Just an idea, but might it help matters if some of the local councillors and other leaders accompanied the fire engines around so that they could actually see WHO is causing the problems? The name them to the police. Or at least take some photographs so the police have half a chance of catching them. Once caught and proved guilty, they can then serve a 8 hour sentence in the stocks one Saturday in King William Street... I won't hold my breath. eastlancslad
  • Score: 5

4:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

I enjoyed doing a family display on saturday and set some fireworks off on monday without hurting nobody or causing problems. I dont see why people who use fireworks properly like myself should have it taken away because of stupid kids attacking firefighters with fireworks sparking you fuddyduddys nambypambys killjoys spoilsports and dogooders to call for a complete ban on fireworks sales to the public. However even if they are banned from sale you will NEVER stop the underground blackmarket sales of potentially very dangerous imported unsafe fireworks taking advantage of a retail sale ban and cashing in on it. Also what you dogooders are ignoring is the potential for serious injuries caused to people setting off the blackmarket fireworks. Also the govt are not convinced a sales ban will work either along with firework companies and industry/safety bodies like RoSPA.
I enjoyed doing a family display on saturday and set some fireworks off on monday without hurting nobody or causing problems. I dont see why people who use fireworks properly like myself should have it taken away because of stupid kids attacking firefighters with fireworks sparking you fuddyduddys nambypambys killjoys spoilsports and dogooders to call for a complete ban on fireworks sales to the public. However even if they are banned from sale you will NEVER stop the underground blackmarket sales of potentially very dangerous imported unsafe fireworks taking advantage of a retail sale ban and cashing in on it. Also what you dogooders are ignoring is the potential for serious injuries caused to people setting off the blackmarket fireworks. Also the govt are not convinced a sales ban will work either along with firework companies and industry/safety bodies like RoSPA. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

The parents of these kids should be locked up have benefits stopped and be forced to take compulsory parenting classes and their kids taken into care rather than ban fireworks for the sensible majority.
The parents of these kids should be locked up have benefits stopped and be forced to take compulsory parenting classes and their kids taken into care rather than ban fireworks for the sensible majority. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 1

6:56pm Wed 7 Nov 12

2 for 5p says...

Does anyone know if firemen still go to bed at night whilst on duty, or do they have to stay up now.
No bad work if you can get it.
Does anyone know if firemen still go to bed at night whilst on duty, or do they have to stay up now. No bad work if you can get it. 2 for 5p
  • Score: -9

7:10pm Wed 7 Nov 12

nelmick says...

whilst i agree about a wetting for hooligans i should point out that a 1 inch jet at 100 psi delivers a ton of water a minute, as stated previously the writs will fly thick n fast then ratepayers will have to foot the bill for the poor drowned unfortunates who may catch a cold which in lawyer speak will have had them at deaths door ........just seen2for5pcomment where ignorance is bliss etc.................
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whilst i agree about a wetting for hooligans i should point out that a 1 inch jet at 100 psi delivers a ton of water a minute, as stated previously the writs will fly thick n fast then ratepayers will have to foot the bill for the poor drowned unfortunates who may catch a cold which in lawyer speak will have had them at deaths door ........just seen2for5pcomment where ignorance is bliss etc................. .. nelmick
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Wed 7 Nov 12

retired one says...

LancsLass wrote:
I think we should ban the sale of fireworks full stop they are dangerous and cause injury every year!! If they are to be sold how about only sell to licensed parties not to the public then everyone only attend organised displays and we wouldnt have the issue of fireworks going off for a month before the event and a month after the event either and on bonfire night the bangs may cease at a reasonable time instead of all hours
I totally agree. Intack Mini Market has been setting off the large block type ones with 25 explosives in each one. He has been doing it in the side street next to his shop which is very dangerous and I am sure these are only intended for organised events. Needless to say they are not even disposed of afterwards.
Organised displays are the answer.
[quote][p][bold]LancsLass[/bold] wrote: I think we should ban the sale of fireworks full stop they are dangerous and cause injury every year!! If they are to be sold how about only sell to licensed parties not to the public then everyone only attend organised displays and we wouldnt have the issue of fireworks going off for a month before the event and a month after the event either and on bonfire night the bangs may cease at a reasonable time instead of all hours[/p][/quote]I totally agree. Intack Mini Market has been setting off the large block type ones with 25 explosives in each one. He has been doing it in the side street next to his shop which is very dangerous and I am sure these are only intended for organised events. Needless to say they are not even disposed of afterwards. Organised displays are the answer. retired one
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

you are a killjoy retiredone like the rest of the nambypambys on here!

you have your facts slightly wrong;
there is a category of firework under BS7114 suitable for open spaces that doesnt need a licence to buy or use and it is Category 3 Display Fireworks.

These require a good space to use and demand that SPECTATORS MUST BE AT LEAST 25 METRES AWAY.

Persons setting these off would be expected to wear suitable personal protective equipment ie fire retardant overalls hard hat eardefenders and eye protection.
you are a killjoy retiredone like the rest of the nambypambys on here! you have your facts slightly wrong; there is a category of firework under BS7114 suitable for open spaces that doesnt need a licence to buy or use and it is Category 3 Display Fireworks. These require a good space to use and demand that SPECTATORS MUST BE AT LEAST 25 METRES AWAY. Persons setting these off would be expected to wear suitable personal protective equipment ie fire retardant overalls hard hat eardefenders and eye protection. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Wed 7 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

If I had kids who did this they'd get a clout! And I dont care what anyone says either;by not punishing them in this way they get away with everything.
If I had kids who did this they'd get a clout! And I dont care what anyone says either;by not punishing them in this way they get away with everything. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Ronnietate says...

If ever these teenagers are caught, their parents must then be held fully accountable for the actions of their offspring. They should be fined and im sorry to say, but in some cases they should not be raising children. Many parents in Britain are not responsable enough to raise a Goldfish!
If ever these teenagers are caught, their parents must then be held fully accountable for the actions of their offspring. They should be fined and im sorry to say, but in some cases they should not be raising children. Many parents in Britain are not responsable enough to raise a Goldfish! Ronnietate
  • Score: 2

11:01pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Linda1963 says...

juanbbien wrote:
How about finishing all together with this outdated and dangerous event I bet most of the participants don't even know what the ceremony is supposed to represent,it's now a excuse for more vandalism and a waste of tax payers money.
You must be too old to remember it as a child. Don't spoil it for the youngsters who enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: How about finishing all together with this outdated and dangerous event I bet most of the participants don't even know what the ceremony is supposed to represent,it's now a excuse for more vandalism and a waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]You must be too old to remember it as a child. Don't spoil it for the youngsters who enjoy it. Linda1963
  • Score: 1

7:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

halfhearted says...

Laws are in place to cover this type of behaviourbut as you all know the streets are being ruled by unruly kids. Until those in power decide to back those who enforce these laws the situation won't improve.

The sale & purchase of fireworks should be Policed more firmly and those offending should be dealt with via the Courts,who should have the powers to punish the offender accordingly. No cautions and no Guidlines as to what they should do.

Its an offence to discharge a firework on the highway. Enforce it,again no Cautions.

Its an offence to obstruct or assault a Fire Fighter at the scene of an Incident. Enforce it. Introduce a law that states these people may defend themselves by use of firehose,that would do away with any claim for compensation.

If these actions don't work,well its then time to look at banning fireworks altogether. Those of you who are responsable will I'm afraid have to suffer because of the actions of the few.
Laws are in place to cover this type of behaviourbut as you all know the streets are being ruled by unruly kids. Until those in power decide to back those who enforce these laws the situation won't improve. The sale & purchase of fireworks should be Policed more firmly and those offending should be dealt with via the Courts,who should have the powers to punish the offender accordingly. No cautions and no Guidlines as to what they should do. Its an offence to discharge a firework on the highway. Enforce it,again no Cautions. Its an offence to obstruct or assault a Fire Fighter at the scene of an Incident. Enforce it. Introduce a law that states these people may defend themselves by use of firehose,that would do away with any claim for compensation. If these actions don't work,well its then time to look at banning fireworks altogether. Those of you who are responsable will I'm afraid have to suffer because of the actions of the few. halfhearted
  • Score: 4

8:43am Thu 8 Nov 12

ladysal says...

enki jr wrote:
"Anthon-yUK says... The parents of these kids should be locked up have benefits stopped and be forced to take compulsory parenting classes and their kids taken into care rather than ban fireworks for the sensible majority." do you have kids yourself or are you the type who hates them? understanding how they think will solve the problem, putting them in care to be raped by the ss is quite evil ... you must like the idea of raping people as punishment...are you a catholic? And how do you know the parents are all on benefits? you certainly put the **** in assumption, the middle east is good for a new dictator if you hang on for a while... I dont think any parent would be AWARE of thier little angels behaviour,and in all probabilities would beat the little **** if they found out i cant imagine thier parents saying..."go out there son and give them firemen hell and torch the buggers!" you really think any of them had thier parents approval? you have much to learn about the human condition. most of them know they are treat like **** by society and need to take it out on something before they end up doing something regrettable, like beating someone to death on the street... in my day fireworks were thrown, posted through letterboxes airbombs aimed at the people considered winging old **** fireworks through pub doors and shopping malls ... to a kid the rush is more exiting than the drab life they have to endure daily, understanding this boredom and frustration will hasten a solution, condemning them will only bring more and more attacks on the sams, telling them not to do it will make them do it more ...i suggest if you want less events like this..stop the media coverage to aviod copycats who see it and want to try it... i find the discreet approach to be more effective at wiping out copycat crimes. and one more thing ...these compulsary parenting classes ... what kind of parent will they be based on ..cus every parent on earth has differnet rules and disciplines ...will it be pot poll ... david cameron .. rab nesbit ...reg dwight the sodomite... fred west...madonna... stalin? you forget that each family unit is as different as sand on the beach one mans slap is another mans punch ... pray tell ..to which perfect parents do we emulate? i suppose yours are a good template, did they send you into care to be raped? they sound like a smashing couple ... they must be proud of thier spawn. This is why only wise men should seek solutions and not some unstable person sending kids to a social service rape center, jimmy saville may be dead but there are many many more ready to take his place, and most of them are employed in the gov sector. give me a lie detector and a windowless room and i could convict half of them in no time, just ask all gov employees if they have sexual feelings for children, yes or no question... the result would shock you. im off to buy some cheap fireworks incase some dictator comes round to rape my kids..........
What planet are you on?
I am sure that the vast majority of parents do not condone what their children are doing: they simply don't care what they do when they are out of sight and their children can do no wrong.
I have kids. I know what they are doing when they are outside the house and I have made sure that they know how I expect them to behave and what the consequences are if they don't. I also ensure that they know a) what the dangers of fireworks are; b) that firefighters etc deserve respect for the job that they do; c) doing something illegal (i.e. buying / having fireworks before they turn 18) will result in punishment and it won't just be me providing it.
Your views on the care system are exactly that your views: however, to make such an all-encompassing statement as you do is to slander the many many people working within the care system who do a fantastic job. Equally, there is no need to be so downright abusive to other people and thier families.
[quote][p][bold]enki jr[/bold] wrote: "Anthon-yUK says... The parents of these kids should be locked up have benefits stopped and be forced to take compulsory parenting classes and their kids taken into care rather than ban fireworks for the sensible majority." do you have kids yourself or are you the type who hates them? understanding how they think will solve the problem, putting them in care to be raped by the ss is quite evil ... you must like the idea of raping people as punishment...are you a catholic? And how do you know the parents are all on benefits? you certainly put the **** in assumption, the middle east is good for a new dictator if you hang on for a while... I dont think any parent would be AWARE of thier little angels behaviour,and in all probabilities would beat the little **** if they found out i cant imagine thier parents saying..."go out there son and give them firemen hell and torch the buggers!" you really think any of them had thier parents approval? you have much to learn about the human condition. most of them know they are treat like **** by society and need to take it out on something before they end up doing something regrettable, like beating someone to death on the street... in my day fireworks were thrown, posted through letterboxes airbombs aimed at the people considered winging old **** fireworks through pub doors and shopping malls ... to a kid the rush is more exiting than the drab life they have to endure daily, understanding this boredom and frustration will hasten a solution, condemning them will only bring more and more attacks on the sams, telling them not to do it will make them do it more ...i suggest if you want less events like this..stop the media coverage to aviod copycats who see it and want to try it... i find the discreet approach to be more effective at wiping out copycat crimes. and one more thing ...these compulsary parenting classes ... what kind of parent will they be based on ..cus every parent on earth has differnet rules and disciplines ...will it be pot poll ... david cameron .. rab nesbit ...reg dwight the sodomite... fred west...madonna... stalin? you forget that each family unit is as different as sand on the beach one mans slap is another mans punch ... pray tell ..to which perfect parents do we emulate? i suppose yours are a good template, did they send you into care to be raped? they sound like a smashing couple ... they must be proud of thier spawn. This is why only wise men should seek solutions and not some unstable person sending kids to a social service rape center, jimmy saville may be dead but there are many many more ready to take his place, and most of them are employed in the gov sector. give me a lie detector and a windowless room and i could convict half of them in no time, just ask all gov employees if they have sexual feelings for children, yes or no question... the result would shock you. im off to buy some cheap fireworks incase some dictator comes round to rape my kids..........[/p][/quote]What planet are you on? I am sure that the vast majority of parents do not condone what their children are doing: they simply don't care what they do when they are out of sight and their children can do no wrong. I have kids. I know what they are doing when they are outside the house and I have made sure that they know how I expect them to behave and what the consequences are if they don't. I also ensure that they know a) what the dangers of fireworks are; b) that firefighters etc deserve respect for the job that they do; c) doing something illegal (i.e. buying / having fireworks before they turn 18) will result in punishment and it won't just be me providing it. Your views on the care system are exactly that your views: however, to make such an all-encompassing statement as you do is to slander the many many people working within the care system who do a fantastic job. Equally, there is no need to be so downright abusive to other people and thier families. ladysal
  • Score: 1

11:09am Thu 8 Nov 12

Murray's school of motoring says...

Interesting reading not a mention in the press of the attack on the Darwen crew at Shear Brow in Blackburn. One fire fighter injured when he was struck on the arm by a house brick. The rest of the crew having to withdraw because of the missiles being thrown at them by local residents at the bonfire. Strange this wonder if its because it might be politically incorrect to do so.
Interesting reading not a mention in the press of the attack on the Darwen crew at Shear Brow in Blackburn. One fire fighter injured when he was struck on the arm by a house brick. The rest of the crew having to withdraw because of the missiles being thrown at them by local residents at the bonfire. Strange this wonder if its because it might be politically incorrect to do so. Murray's school of motoring
  • Score: 3

12:09pm Thu 8 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

enki jr you're a dogooding yobrights defending prat of a youth worker! Some kids CANNOT be reasoned with NOR worked with to try and solve antisocial behavioural problems like attacking firefighters with fireworks bottles bricks etc and reach positive solution and resolvation. Also many parents DO NOT CARE what their kids get up to even if it is dangerous and/or illegal such as this sort of behaviour and think children arent capable of wrongdoing and refuse to have anything done/said against their kids' behaviour.

What is everyone to do:put up with it and say/do nothing OR does the law of the land take action where parental reponsibility ISN'T doing anything about it? I think the latter;draconian it is but what young people and their parents/ignore is that "WITH RIGHTS COME RESPONSIBILITIES" and if you as a young person break the law and disrespect residents and people in authority and show an "couldn't give a sh*t or toss" attitude to those around you and if you as a parent or family guardian refuse to control your kids antisocial behaviour THE LAW WILL DO IT FOR YOU using whatever measures necessary to punish feckless ignorant and careless parenting. If I was a parent of a kid who did this then no matter what they'd get a clout withdrawal of pocketmoney and treats and they'd be given early bed EVERY night incl weekends and holidays and they wouldnt be allowed to go out or have their friends round.
enki jr you're a dogooding yobrights defending prat of a youth worker! Some kids CANNOT be reasoned with NOR worked with to try and solve antisocial behavioural problems like attacking firefighters with fireworks bottles bricks etc and reach positive solution and resolvation. Also many parents DO NOT CARE what their kids get up to even if it is dangerous and/or illegal such as this sort of behaviour and think children arent capable of wrongdoing and refuse to have anything done/said against their kids' behaviour. What is everyone to do:put up with it and say/do nothing OR does the law of the land take action where parental reponsibility ISN'T doing anything about it? I think the latter;draconian it is but what young people and their parents/ignore is that "WITH RIGHTS COME RESPONSIBILITIES" and if you as a young person break the law and disrespect residents and people in authority and show an "couldn't give a sh*t or toss" attitude to those around you and if you as a parent or family guardian refuse to control your kids antisocial behaviour THE LAW WILL DO IT FOR YOU using whatever measures necessary to punish feckless ignorant and careless parenting. If I was a parent of a kid who did this then no matter what they'd get a clout withdrawal of pocketmoney and treats and they'd be given early bed EVERY night incl weekends and holidays and they wouldnt be allowed to go out or have their friends round. AnthonyUK
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1:32pm Thu 8 Nov 12

norah bhatty says...

The actions of these idiots are not spur of the minute actions. They must have been pre-planned, and I trust that the councilors named in the report are true to their word, and make substantial efforts to locate and deal with the ones responsible. 'Saying' efforts are going to be made to find the culprits is one thing, actually acting on the words is another.
If the idiots are ever caught which is highly doubtful, they should be named and shamed, and dealt with according to their deeds. Why should firemen who do a fantastic job, be targeted by brainless individuals.
More should be done to ensure that fireworks are only sold in authorised outlets, and only to the age limit applied. Perhaps more effort put into this suggestion might have more of an inpact.
The firemen concerned, deserve an apology at the very least, but I can't see one coming anytime soon. So come on councilors, make a determined effort to find the culprits, and then involve the Police. A half-hearted effort is not good enough - get out there and prove to the public that you are making the finding of these yobs a priority. Nothing less is acceptable.
The actions of these idiots are not spur of the minute actions. They must have been pre-planned, and I trust that the councilors named in the report are true to their word, and make substantial efforts to locate and deal with the ones responsible. 'Saying' efforts are going to be made to find the culprits is one thing, actually acting on the words is another. If the idiots are ever caught which is highly doubtful, they should be named and shamed, and dealt with according to their deeds. Why should firemen who do a fantastic job, be targeted by brainless individuals. More should be done to ensure that fireworks are only sold in authorised outlets, and only to the age limit applied. Perhaps more effort put into this suggestion might have more of an inpact. The firemen concerned, deserve an apology at the very least, but I can't see one coming anytime soon. So come on councilors, make a determined effort to find the culprits, and then involve the Police. A half-hearted effort is not good enough - get out there and prove to the public that you are making the finding of these yobs a priority. Nothing less is acceptable. norah bhatty
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7:36pm Thu 8 Nov 12

superyob says...

Joseph O'M wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.
Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned.
Water with a long lasting dye.......then we'd spot 'em all a mile off!!!
[quote][p][bold]Joseph O'M[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.[/p][/quote]Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned.[/p][/quote]Water with a long lasting dye.......then we'd spot 'em all a mile off!!! superyob
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7:36pm Thu 8 Nov 12

superyob says...

Joseph O'M wrote:
Darren1951 wrote:
There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.
Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned.
Water with a long lasting dye.......then we'd spot 'em all a mile off!!!
[quote][p][bold]Joseph O'M[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren1951[/bold] wrote: There are merits in many of these suggestions, but the easiest way to deal with the little scrotes would be a short, sharp blast with a fire hose.[/p][/quote]Again, I really think this is the way forward! Water from a fire hose is much less dangerous than the fireworks being aimed at the firmen trying to protect the very communities these attacks are coming from, so I think it should be sanctioned.[/p][/quote]Water with a long lasting dye.......then we'd spot 'em all a mile off!!! superyob
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9:17am Fri 9 Nov 12

Gaz M says...

ladysal wrote:
In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do?
1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law?
2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do?

For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.
It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,
[quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.[/p][/quote]It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated, Gaz M
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9:33am Fri 9 Nov 12

ladysal says...

Gaz M wrote:
ladysal wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.
It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,
Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz M[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.[/p][/quote]It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,[/p][/quote]Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well. ladysal
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11:47am Fri 9 Nov 12

AnthonyUK says...

ladysal wrote:
Gaz M wrote:
ladysal wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.
It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,
Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well.
language barriers and ethnicity are NO excuse for this sort of behaviour and this DOES NOT give them the right to hold up the racecard emergency services prosecuting them for it either.
Rather than pussyfooting around, trying to get the local community to sort it(which is softly softly "dont want offend" mentality), the fireservice should go in heavy handed and charge and prosecute those responsible.
[quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz M[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.[/p][/quote]It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,[/p][/quote]Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well.[/p][/quote]language barriers and ethnicity are NO excuse for this sort of behaviour and this DOES NOT give them the right to hold up the racecard emergency services prosecuting them for it either. Rather than pussyfooting around, trying to get the local community to sort it(which is softly softly "dont want offend" mentality), the fireservice should go in heavy handed and charge and prosecute those responsible. AnthonyUK
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4:09pm Fri 9 Nov 12

ladysal says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
ladysal wrote:
Gaz M wrote:
ladysal wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.
It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,
Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well.
language barriers and ethnicity are NO excuse for this sort of behaviour and this DOES NOT give them the right to hold up the racecard emergency services prosecuting them for it either. Rather than pussyfooting around, trying to get the local community to sort it(which is softly softly "dont want offend" mentality), the fireservice should go in heavy handed and charge and prosecute those responsible.
Hear, hear. But they won't. As I said right at the beginning, if it was my kid, she would have been at the police station the minute I smelt the powder on her hands. Although to be honest, I'm just saying that: it would never be my daughter. I know where she is when she is outside and she wasn't allowed out on Bonfire night. I also know she would never do something like that: I taught her not to......
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz M[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: In response to the Cedar Street resident: don't you think the police have enough to do? 1. Why are the community not asking where these teens are getting their fireworks from? You have to be 18 to buy them or have them in a public place, so who is breaking the law? 2. Why are the parents not educating their children about the potential risks of fireworks / encouraging a sense of civic responsibility and honour for the fire fighters and the job that they do? For me, this is a community issue (and NOT a race one: the lack of respect is endemic throughout society). Parents need to teach their children to have respect for both fireworks and the people who risk their lives to help others just by going to work every day! There is no other occupation apart from Fire Fighters where that happens.[/p][/quote]It could be Ladysal that most of these childrens parents are also uneducated,[/p][/quote]Probably. Unfortunately, due to the areas mentioned in the article, it is highly likely that for many english is their second language. Hence they can't read / listen to the annual news reports of what fireworks can do if used inappropriately. I guess commonsense and interest in what their children get up to / control over them is too much to ask as well.[/p][/quote]language barriers and ethnicity are NO excuse for this sort of behaviour and this DOES NOT give them the right to hold up the racecard emergency services prosecuting them for it either. Rather than pussyfooting around, trying to get the local community to sort it(which is softly softly "dont want offend" mentality), the fireservice should go in heavy handed and charge and prosecute those responsible.[/p][/quote]Hear, hear. But they won't. As I said right at the beginning, if it was my kid, she would have been at the police station the minute I smelt the powder on her hands. Although to be honest, I'm just saying that: it would never be my daughter. I know where she is when she is outside and she wasn't allowed out on Bonfire night. I also know she would never do something like that: I taught her not to...... ladysal
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