Clitheroe residents will fight plan for 345 homes (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Do the NIMBYS who object to these developments ever consider that many of the Young people who were born in the town can't afford to live there?

Bloody idiots the lot of them

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote:
Do the NIMBYS who object to these developments ever consider that many of the Young people who were born in the town can't afford to live there?

Bloody idiots the lot of them

I live in Clitheroe and a lot of 'affordable' housing in the town isn't affordable!! Nearly 3/4 of these new houses will be 'high quality family homes' ie 4 and 5 bedroom homes that Clitheroe people can't afford! The biggest reason for opposing the development is access to the site. One way is off Waddington Rd - already heavily congested at Waddington Rd bridge (and when it's flooded and closed during heavy downpours it's absolute chaos with no way out). The other access road is Kirkmoor Rd (with potentially another 200 cars coming down – assuming most households will have 2 cars, as is the norm nowadays - this leads on to Castle View which, again, is a nightmare to get out of, particularly when traffic is backed up past Booths and all the way down Bawdlands. We were told yesterday that one solution was to install traffic lights!! That won't make one bit of difference, except to cause more back logs. The photographs of Kirkmoor Rd which were displayed showed about 5 parked cars on both sides of the road - that's a rarity! As well as residents of the street parking, we also have people from surrounding streets parking here, town centre workers parking all day, and people who go on the train. It’s amazing if you can get down Kirkmoor Rd (or Castle View) without having to back up half way down the road to let oncoming traffic through. We were informed a possible solution was to install ‘passing places’ eg double yellow lines. This of course reduces the parking places on the street. Where are the residents expected to park? We have nowhere else to go when surrounding streets end up parking on here! There have been 5 new developments around off Kirkmoor Rd within the last few years – with all the building traffic and extra cars, many of the garden walls and support posts have now shifted and are no longer attached to the houses! More traffic will only make this worse – will the council give us compensation to put this right?? Will they hell. If they reduced the number of houses for the site, they might just get a bit more support from local residents.
So NICE ONE SUNSHINE – are we still bloody idiots? You try living here (or come down and see for yourself before you start name calling)

Maybe a new road to connect to the A59 could be built to alleviate the traffic concerns. I have the feeling that this is almost a done deal.

mavrick wrote:
Maybe a new road to connect to the A59 could be built to alleviate the traffic concerns. I have the feeling that this is almost a done deal.

It's at the wrong end town for a road to the A59 unfortunately.

:-) this article ha cheared me up :-)
All the nimbys rnt happy about the outsidrs coming in :-)
I hope you get a large out of town council estate next. :-) :-) :-)

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) this article ha cheared me up :-)
All the nimbys rnt happy about the outsidrs coming in :-)
I hope you get a large out of town council estate next. :-) :-) :-)

Actually 2 for 5p, the whole infrastructure of the town, from roads to doctors surgeries to schools cannot cope with such a massive influx of houses. They want 4000 in total. Whenever there is a car accident on one of the main roads out of town, the whole place ends up gridlocked. There are no provisions for a new school which is desperately needed. We have no industry left to speak of, with all the big employers making redundancies - it stands to reason that the vast majority of people who will buy these houses will be people from out of town, who will commute to their place of work and most probably shop outside of the area. So apart from increasing local traffic problems, they won't be bringing any benefit to the town. Who wants to see big developments in their town if there's no benefit?

Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:
Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

Lol

:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work.
:-) :-)
Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work.
:-) :-)
Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

Now let me introduce you charmed-one: this is Richard Head I'm so glad he turned up :) I've been keeping an eye on him for some time now, this guy hates with a passion he's like the workers revolutionary party all gone wrong. Because we live in Clitheroe we are the Enemy because we are all loaded, he thinks.

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:
Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

About sums up the prevailing attitude in this town. Most of the objections disguise the real problem which most people in this town have with development which is a fear of outsiders (without cash) moving in. Clitheroe is a nice town but not as wonderful as most of the people who live there think it is. Go to other areas of East Lancashire and you will find more pleasant places to live with more refined people to live amongst yet for some reason many people in Clitheroe think it is the Beverly Hills of East Lancashire.

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:
Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

About sums up the prevailing attitude in this town. Most of the objections disguise the real problem which most people in this town have with development which is a fear of outsiders (without cash) moving in. Clitheroe is a nice town but not as wonderful as most of the people who live there think it is. Go to other areas of East Lancashire and you will find more pleasant places to live with more refined people to live amongst yet for some reason many people in Clitheroe think it is the Beverly Hills of East Lancashire.

shocked and alarmed wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:
Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

About sums up the prevailing attitude in this town. Most of the objections disguise the real problem which most people in this town have with development which is a fear of outsiders (without cash) moving in. Clitheroe is a nice town but not as wonderful as most of the people who live there think it is. Go to other areas of East Lancashire and you will find more pleasant places to live with more refined people to live amongst yet for some reason many people in Clitheroe think it is the Beverly Hills of East Lancashire.

Here we go again the Soviet revolutionary Party turns up as well :)

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work. :-) :-) Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

The infrastruture hasn't happened yet with all the completed developments we have, so I doubt it will appear with this development.

'shocked and alarmed' - I think you'll find that most people in Clitheroe don't think it's Beverley Hills - we don't all have money, just fortunate enough to live in the town where we and our parents and grandparents grew up. And I agree that it is a nice town, but Skipton as a comparable market town is much better.
As for your comment about the objections disguising the real problem most people have with this development ie outsiders without cash - that's a load of cr*p. I bet you don't live in the affected area. Why don't you try driving down here (at different times to get a feel for the traffic issues) and then imagine what it would be like with an extra 200 cars.
What about the traffic impact if we include the 270 houses down Henthorn Rd? They will either go down Eshton Terrace (as do a lot of our local residents) or along Bawdlands and past Castle View - again, exacerbating current problems.
Do you also realise that the land involved are the fields leading to the river? It's a beautiful walk - but no longer when half of it has 345 houses on it.

shocked and alarmed - I meant the Beverley Hills of East Lancs - god forbid I compare us to a bunch of plastic yanks!

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ce58 wrote:
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charmed-one wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work. :-) :-) Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

The infrastruture hasn't happened yet with all the completed developments we have, so I doubt it will appear with this development.

'shocked and alarmed' - I think you'll find that most people in Clitheroe don't think it's Beverley Hills - we don't all have money, just fortunate enough to live in the town where we and our parents and grandparents grew up. And I agree that it is a nice town, but Skipton as a comparable market town is much better.
As for your comment about the objections disguising the real problem most people have with this development ie outsiders without cash - that's a load of cr*p. I bet you don't live in the affected area. Why don't you try driving down here (at different times to get a feel for the traffic issues) and then imagine what it would be like with an extra 200 cars.
What about the traffic impact if we include the 270 houses down Henthorn Rd? They will either go down Eshton Terrace (as do a lot of our local residents) or along Bawdlands and past Castle View - again, exacerbating current problems.
Do you also realise that the land involved are the fields leading to the river? It's a beautiful walk - but no longer when half of it has 345 houses on it.

Well what a lad of xxxxxxxxxxxx the infrastructure won't come just look about 4 stories further down a £7 million hospital being built in clitheroe.
What do you call that , oh next thing you know yu will be complaining about that, some silly little reason like a gate post will have to be moved.

The timing of this proposal is interesting. Whether you are for or against it, the fact that it has come forward in the very month when the government has announced its anticipated proposals to relax planning rules in favour of developers is surely not coincidental.

There has never been a better time for such a proposal to come forward and the developers surely know this.

Unfortunately, this will happen more and more as the Government and local councils have no way of stopping the exodus from declining ex mill towns due to poverty, feral families and white flight.

I have enjoyed living in Clitheroe..Time to move out now.

I just hope that those who move to the new jam buttie estates undersand a few things.
1) they will have to send their kids to Blackburn schools as the Ribble valley schools are full.
2) Their new houses might get filled with sewage as the treatment works in henthorne can't cope.
3) Do they realise how much petrol they will use travelling to work outside the area, as there are no jobs in Clitheroe and half the town is now out of work .
4 ) half the houses on the estates will remain empty as people will not be able to afford to live on them.
5 ) They will need to be able to walk into the town centre as there will be nowhere to park cars.
Ah well enjoy. I'm moving out.

Access onto Castle view is already a joke from any of the four side streets - add an extra 100 cars (never mind 200!) and there will be accidents/arguments/
near misses every single morning.
As mentioned earlier, when it rains heavily the access under Waddington rd bridge floods and causes chaos there. It's just plain daft sticking more houses in that area. They should look at the area between Standen Hall and the Golf club - I'm told the heir to the Aspinall fortune is busy selling off assets (eg the Aspinall Arms) - maybe he would offer a few fields up just around the corner. The access from the A59 would be super-easy and not bother anyone else.

I'm hoping some slutty girls from Accy move in would be great fun

shocked and alarmed wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:
Don't bother with this lot charmed-one they are all from the ghettos of Accy and other scummy places like that. give them and inch and your hub caps will be gone

About sums up the prevailing attitude in this town. Most of the objections disguise the real problem which most people in this town have with development which is a fear of outsiders (without cash) moving in. Clitheroe is a nice town but not as wonderful as most of the people who live there think it is. Go to other areas of East Lancashire and you will find more pleasant places to live with more refined people to live amongst yet for some reason many people in Clitheroe think it is the Beverly Hills of East Lancashire.

100% correct, "Beverly Hills of East Lancashire", liked that one

2 for 5p wrote:

charmed-one wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work. :-) :-) Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

The infrastruture hasn't happened yet with all the completed developments we have, so I doubt it will appear with this development.

'shocked and alarmed' - I think you'll find that most people in Clitheroe don't think it's Beverley Hills - we don't all have money, just fortunate enough to live in the town where we and our parents and grandparents grew up. And I agree that it is a nice town, but Skipton as a comparable market town is much better.
As for your comment about the objections disguising the real problem most people have with this development ie outsiders without cash - that's a load of cr*p. I bet you don't live in the affected area. Why don't you try driving down here (at different times to get a feel for the traffic issues) and then imagine what it would be like with an extra 200 cars.
What about the traffic impact if we include the 270 houses down Henthorn Rd? They will either go down Eshton Terrace (as do a lot of our local residents) or along Bawdlands and past Castle View - again, exacerbating current problems.
Do you also realise that the land involved are the fields leading to the river? It's a beautiful walk - but no longer when half of it has 345 houses on it.

Well what a lad of xxxxxxxxxxxx the infrastructure won't come just look about 4 stories further down a £7 million hospital being built in clitheroe.
What do you call that , oh next thing you know yu will be complaining about that, some silly little reason like a gate post will have to be moved.

And what improvements to the infrastructure haven been mentioned in that story??? None, because it's virtually on the A59 on the outskirts of town so the road system doesn't need to be changed for hundreds of extra cars on narrow residential streets, it doesn't affect schools in any way, and it doesn't include any plans for a GP surgery - the health centre in the middle of town is completely separate from this proposed development. If you knew Clitheroe, you'd know this. To$$er.

charmed-one wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:

charmed-one wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) hey charmed one, doctors surgerys and infestructure will come with the expansion, and as for jobs they are not needed. The people who are out of work for 6 months are usually not going to get a job so they may as well live in the R V. That would free up all the social housing in Blackburn accy ect for them that work, then they have affordable homes at a close distance from there work. :-) :-) Oh I think I'll lobby my MP. :-) :-)

The infrastruture hasn't happened yet with all the completed developments we have, so I doubt it will appear with this development.

'shocked and alarmed' - I think you'll find that most people in Clitheroe don't think it's Beverley Hills - we don't all have money, just fortunate enough to live in the town where we and our parents and grandparents grew up. And I agree that it is a nice town, but Skipton as a comparable market town is much better.
As for your comment about the objections disguising the real problem most people have with this development ie outsiders without cash - that's a load of cr*p. I bet you don't live in the affected area. Why don't you try driving down here (at different times to get a feel for the traffic issues) and then imagine what it would be like with an extra 200 cars.
What about the traffic impact if we include the 270 houses down Henthorn Rd? They will either go down Eshton Terrace (as do a lot of our local residents) or along Bawdlands and past Castle View - again, exacerbating current problems.
Do you also realise that the land involved are the fields leading to the river? It's a beautiful walk - but no longer when half of it has 345 houses on it.

Well what a lad of xxxxxxxxxxxx the infrastructure won't come just look about 4 stories further down a £7 million hospital being built in clitheroe.
What do you call that , oh next thing you know yu will be complaining about that, some silly little reason like a gate post will have to be moved.

And what improvements to the infrastructure haven been mentioned in that story??? None, because it's virtually on the A59 on the outskirts of town so the road system doesn't need to be changed for hundreds of extra cars on narrow residential streets, it doesn't affect schools in any way, and it doesn't include any plans for a GP surgery - the health centre in the middle of town is completely separate from this proposed development. If you knew Clitheroe, you'd know this. To$$er.

Your learning fast charmed-one :)

Clitheroe is fcked. RIP Clitheroe.Nice memories.Time to move on now.

shytalk wrote:
Clitheroe is fcked. RIP Clitheroe.Nice memories.Time to move on now.

I've watched your plight for quiet some time now shytalk, I totally understand how hard it is to find work in town. Don't worry your not on your own I have had my bad times just like you are having in the past. Where do you plan to go?

Heading up towards Settle Michael ( They have better/stricter planning regs up there and are not looking to ruin the town )

shytalk wrote:
Heading up towards Settle Michael ( They have better/stricter planning regs up there and are not looking to ruin the town )

I know your feeling down mate but how will that help you, have you got a job to go to?

I can work from home Michael ( and sometimes abroad now ) I have quite a few friends that have moved up there that used to live in Clitheroe and saw the writing on the wall a few years ago. Clitheroe and its sattelite villages are being ( or have been ) destroyed by town planners from Cheshire/south Manchester and you only need to visit places such as cheadle, Bramhall,wythenshaw etc to see what Clitheroe will look like in a couple of years..That said perhaps some of these develepment companies may catch a nasty cold if they can't sell the houses they are about to build..Just like what has happened in Spain and Ireland. Am not waiting around to find out though,just like many other people.

shytalk wrote:
I can work from home Michael ( and sometimes abroad now ) I have quite a few friends that have moved up there that used to live in Clitheroe and saw the writing on the wall a few years ago. Clitheroe and its sattelite villages are being ( or have been ) destroyed by town planners from Cheshire/south Manchester and you only need to visit places such as cheadle, Bramhall,wythenshaw etc to see what Clitheroe will look like in a couple of years..That said perhaps some of these develepment companies may catch a nasty cold if they can't sell the houses they are about to build..Just like what has happened in Spain and Ireland. Am not waiting around to find out though,just like many other people.

I can't understand why they are so keen to build new ones, just look on Right Move how many are for sale and have been for a very long time, I just don't get it.

there are 4 lots of people to blame for all this.
1: Ribble valley council, for not seriously objecting to the goverment ( labour and tories) about being forced into coming up with silly housing plans for the future
2: The cons led councillors who passed the plans with out asking what the people wanted who live here.
3: The Lib dem mob who councillors also voted for all these plans to be passed.
4: The EU who dictated the plans in the first place which was followed to the letter by this and passed british goverments.

its funny now the **** as hit the fan how all the cons and lib dems councillors are back peddling on this, making out its not their faults.
there was only one main party in the Ribble Valley who objected to all this many years ago and was rubbished by the other lot ( cons and libs)
and that was UKIP.
with regards to our member Steve Rush who is on the whalley committee
he was asked not to make it a political point when chairing the meetings. we ( ukip) agreed on this but made it an item in the last general election campaign.and still showing our teeth in the matter

now every one is now jumping on the band wagon making it look like its not their fault. bull sh== comes to mind here.