Blackburn pensioners fight ‘chilling’ Coalition attempt to slash disabled benefits (From Lancashire Telegraph)

WTG guys NOT !!! - nice to shout from your protected status in all cuts.

Wecome to Camerons Big Society, Where the vulnerable, needy and less well off pay for his 4 holidays a year.
You know what to do come election day. All his banker buddy mates with their well lined bonus filled pockets are laughing at your stupidity for thinking it would be different. Same old, just a funky new name.

I admire your spirit, but pensioners continue to support the Tories in big numbers. Secretly enough people support the attack on anyone on benefits to allow them to continue.
Sadly the system has been abused by lead swingers and others who knew how to screw the system. People have said enough is enough. The genuine sick and disabled are the easy targets. I do question the judgement of the so called health professionals in this attack. How much do they get paid per person seen or knocked of the system? It would seem that the professional fees paid per person judged is a lot more than the benefit itself. I still can't see how the company appointed by the government can have a contract to judge peoples disabilities, and have a contract to put the same people back to work through their programme. It stinks. But too many people just don't care.
As for the comparison with the Nazis of the 1930s, We are the most watched nation in the world and we have more snitchers than most as well. People need to wake up and see the big picture and decide if we want to live in a caring country or an American type country where they want to see your insurance cover before the ambulance picks you up?
The choice is ours.

Mr Duxbury and Mr Newton were chair and vice-chair of the Bank Top Community Association from 1994 to 2000 and believe their experience will help them to achieve their goals.
didnt they leave under a cloud?and who has asked these to fight everyones corner?

customer-relations@a
toshealthcare.com

Is the email address of Atos .

This is how evil they are .

http://www.socialist
worker.co.uk/art.php
?id=29452

Good luck guys .

i've tasted the stupidity of atos first hand . they don't know their arse from their elbow.
as for the form that you have to fill in it's designed to cause maximum upset and damage, the questions being either irrelvant or just plain insulting.
do they get extra bonus when people kill themselves as a result?

frank wrote:
i've tasted the stupidity of atos first hand . they don't know their arse from their elbow. as for the form that you have to fill in it's designed to cause maximum upset and damage, the questions being either irrelvant or just plain insulting. do they get extra bonus when people kill themselves as a result?

Yeah they get £1000 for every suicide. ATOS is a french company.

Greedy flippin' pensioners, I'm sick of them.

I cannot understand how Atos employees can wake up in the morning and think -

" Ooh - I can't wait to go to work today , to ruin peoples lives . Destroy their future , their hopes , their dreams " .

Now , certainly I am against the ones who play the system - yes the ones who claim everthing in sight , live in huge taxpayer-funded houses , with their free cars , their plasma TVs .

But as usual - Atos have to meet their targets , so pick on the weak .

And why we pay Atos £100 million a year is a mystery .

Yes a French company .

Bearing in mind France delights in sending "immigrants" to Britain .

Oh well .

i'd like to know how much atos have been paid in total and how much they've saved the country?
either through removing those exploiting the system from benefits or killing the genuine sick.
they don't appear to know the difference between disabled and disabling illness.

fireonthemountain wrote:
I cannot understand how Atos employees can wake up in the morning and think - " Ooh - I can't wait to go to work today , to ruin peoples lives . Destroy their future , their hopes , their dreams " . Now , certainly I am against the ones who play the system - yes the ones who claim everthing in sight , live in huge taxpayer-funded houses , with their free cars , their plasma TVs . But as usual - Atos have to meet their targets , so pick on the weak . And why we pay Atos £100 million a year is a mystery . Yes a French company . Bearing in mind France delights in sending "immigrants" to Britain . Oh well .

Ironically the bulk of the 'Assessors' ARE immigrants. When I was in hospital I was given 6 types of super strong medications and they rang me whilst in hospital and told me I had to attend an appointment that afternoon. The nurses could not believe it when I staggered into a taxi and they had to send a nurse with me to help me out when I got to Brun House. I threw up on during the 'examination' and was asked if I would like a glass of water lol It was a nightmare getting back to the hospital again. Bottom line is they really and truly do not give a flying ****. They couldn't care less if you carped it during the process or after. They ONLY make money if you don't get the correct amount of points, yes, points.That is what a human beings life and health is judged on. And they screw the chairs to the floor as well just in case you fancy flinging one about lol.

RUinsane wrote:
Wecome to Camerons Big Society, Where the vulnerable, needy and less well off pay for his 4 holidays a year.
You know what to do come election day. All his banker buddy mates with their well lined bonus filled pockets are laughing at your stupidity for thinking it would be different. Same old, just a funky new name.

Here's the answer, no in not insane, but you are, how can you possibly say that Cameron has his, banker buddy's ? Can you please tell me who and which government knighted Fred Goodwin ? Second question, can you tell me who took that knighthood away from (sir) Fred Goodwin , could you tell me who was the first government to tax bankers bonuses? It's called the politics of envy, misled, and I really feel sorry for the likes of you who has been spoonfed piles of working class bull all his life, get a free mind and think for your self, it's not rocket science, who closed our hospital at burnley? It wasn't Cameron , who ruined every final salary pension scheme in the country by grabbing £5 billion from our pensions year on year? Gordon brown, unforgivable, people like you are pathetic, we are the working class Tories and proud of it, !!

Its the middle classes that will be hit the hardest when its their turn when Cameroon said big society he really meant big society heist. Count down as begun the dollar is about to go belly up. Crops around the world have failed including wheat crops across America due to unusually dry conditions floods and forest fires by 9pm yesterday there had been 50 earthquakes measuring above 2.5 mag one off the coast of the Philippines 7.6 mag.(HAARP) High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.Which controls the weather..? Leading economists predict food prices to double by November this year because of the failed crops. Thanks it was a lovely summer....The increase in food prices is no laughing matter in our current situation thousands will starve. If the dollar does collapse Britain has no gold to trade on the world market only Grease in the whole of Europe as less gold than Britain and there is no back up plan apart from all out war for the last of the worlds resources. Again no laughing matter.

From April next year there is to be massive cuts in housing benefits that will effect all UK residents aged between 16 and 70 who rely on it to pay their rents to ruthless Housing Associatios and landlords. A cut of around 14% which means that if you were getting all your rent paid at about £75 per week and you live in a two bedroom property alone then you will have to pay around £15 per week out of your ESA/JSA/ any of those benefits.. Am not to sure if its the same today as it was back in the dat but when you got a payment from DWP (dole) it said it pays you what the law says you need to get by on..? If thats the case how can they deduct £15 per week from a single persons benefits simply because they live in a two bedroom house. Its a contridiction in its self. Basis is to those still not clear on this if you recieve £60 per week in benefits from DWP and you rent a 2 bed property and you were getting all of your rent paid of about £75 then that is no longer the case. YOU MUST PAY £15 OUT OF YOUR £60 A WEEK THE LAW SAYS YOU NEED TO GET BY ON. That is much more of a worry for the average joe on the streets than the lead story because this is going to effect everyone accross Britain in some degree. TYRANTS BANKSTERS AND PRIVATE CORPERATIONS RULE THE DAY...No space or food left for you and requirement of your services are no longer wanted you worked well during the industrial revolution years but now go away and beg from somebody else your using my air...Thats the harsh reallity of were we are today..to many un-required people with not enough food to go round.

fireonthemountain wrote:
customer-relations@a

toshealthcare.com

Is the email address of Atos .

This is how evil they are .

http://www.socialist

worker.co.uk/art.php

?id=29452

Good luck guys .

Another great story in Socialist Worker:

Paralympic winner speaks out and says get Atos out of the Games

Paralympic gold medallist and world record holder Tara Flood faces a test that could see her lose her disability benefits, she told Socialist Worker.

Tara is a seven-time Paralympic medallist. In 1992 she set a world record for 50 metres breaststroke that still stands today.

But that hasn’t saved her from the Tories’ harsh benefits clampdown.

“I’ve already had my letter,” she said. “At some point next year it will be my turn to be assessed.”

Tara is one of hundreds of thousands of people in the Tories’ sights as they try to slash benefits for sick and disabled people.

She said that receiving Disability Living Allowance made a huge difference to her everyday life. “Without it I wouldn’t be able to get out of the house,” she said. “It’s a fundamental benefit, not linked to work.”

Hypocrisy

As the Paralympics begin, Tara pointed out the government’s hypocrisy. “They’re calling us scroungers and benefit cheats at the same time as they celebrate the Paralympics,” she said. “It’s like disabled people are either elite athletes or workshy scroungers.”

Tara spoke out on a protest against Atos, the private firm that carries out humiliating assessments to decide who gets benefits and who doesn’t.

Incredibly, Atos is an official sponsor of the Paralympics. “Atos destroys disabled people’s lives,” Tara said. “It gets me so angry.

“It is carrying out a government contract and a government agenda to punish disabled people for the financial crisis. It’s no coincidence that hate crime against disabled people has increased massively since the coalition government came in.”

But Tara added that this week’s action against Atos could encourage more resistance against the Tories.

“It’s a scary time,” she said. “But there’s a growing backlash against the government’s right wing agenda. So many people who would never have gone out and protested before are saying enough is enough.”

http://socialistwork
er.co.uk/art.php?id=
29451

SWP supporter wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
customer-relations@a


toshealthcare.com

Is the email address of Atos .

This is how evil they are .

http://www.socialist


worker.co.uk/art.php


?id=29452

Good luck guys .

Another great story in Socialist Worker:

Paralympic winner speaks out and says get Atos out of the Games

Paralympic gold medallist and world record holder Tara Flood faces a test that could see her lose her disability benefits, she told Socialist Worker.

Tara is a seven-time Paralympic medallist. In 1992 she set a world record for 50 metres breaststroke that still stands today.

But that hasn’t saved her from the Tories’ harsh benefits clampdown.

“I’ve already had my letter,” she said. “At some point next year it will be my turn to be assessed.”

Tara is one of hundreds of thousands of people in the Tories’ sights as they try to slash benefits for sick and disabled people.

She said that receiving Disability Living Allowance made a huge difference to her everyday life. “Without it I wouldn’t be able to get out of the house,” she said. “It’s a fundamental benefit, not linked to work.”

Hypocrisy

As the Paralympics begin, Tara pointed out the government’s hypocrisy. “They’re calling us scroungers and benefit cheats at the same time as they celebrate the Paralympics,” she said. “It’s like disabled people are either elite athletes or workshy scroungers.”

Tara spoke out on a protest against Atos, the private firm that carries out humiliating assessments to decide who gets benefits and who doesn’t.

Incredibly, Atos is an official sponsor of the Paralympics. “Atos destroys disabled people’s lives,” Tara said. “It gets me so angry.

“It is carrying out a government contract and a government agenda to punish disabled people for the financial crisis. It’s no coincidence that hate crime against disabled people has increased massively since the coalition government came in.”

But Tara added that this week’s action against Atos could encourage more resistance against the Tories.

“It’s a scary time,” she said. “But there’s a growing backlash against the government’s right wing agenda. So many people who would never have gone out and protested before are saying enough is enough.”

http://socialistwork

er.co.uk/art.php?id=

29451

Disgusting, but what do you expect from a Tory government. Same as always, with a funky new name. The Big Society

Is it any wonder the coalition said it won't allow an election until 2015. by then they hope things will have got better and we will all have forgotten the pain. sadly it might work. I do hope there is a backlash against ATOS but will it change anything? I doubt it.

Serves all those right that voted for them. I agree with the cuts but only for those "disabled" that are due to drink and drugs .
Meanwhile the immigrants and asylum seekers are doing just fine at our expense .

Look at all the conservative supporters come to defend the murdering scum that is Atos . Maybe one day you supporters will grow up and hopefully get sick so that you can understand what these poor people are going through. Hope your time comes soon and i really hope you have to go in front of the board or genocide to state your claim to the horrendous agenda that is Atos.

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Serves all those right that voted for them. I agree with the cuts but only for those "disabled" that are due to drink and drugs .
Meanwhile the immigrants and asylum seekers are doing just fine at our expense .

You do know that Cameron wasn't actually voted in don't you? Nobody voted for the conservative government at all. Perhaps you should learn something about what you post in future.

What is wrong with checking if people are genuinely disabled? The less scroungers we have, the more there is for the genuine needy.

DMcccc wrote:
What is wrong with checking if people are genuinely disabled? The less scroungers we have, the more there is for the genuine needy.

It would be great if that is what happened. However as usual they hammer easy targets.

I know a woman who having worked all her life, is recovering from cancer and 2 years off retirement age, told she is going to have to live on £70 pw.

Meanwhile if you don't mind lying through your teeth you will get to keep your benefits.

If it was done right i'd be all for it, but as ever it's turned into a profit making exercise for a private company and the most vulnerable in society are abused.

slimitus wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Serves all those right that voted for them. I agree with the cuts but only for those "disabled" that are due to drink and drugs .
Meanwhile the immigrants and asylum seekers are doing just fine at our expense .

You do know that Cameron wasn't actually voted in don't you? Nobody voted for the conservative government at all. Perhaps you should learn something about what you post in future.

I do know that it is a coilition and that cameron was adopted as prime minister out of the 2 parties so in effect i am right . His party and the lib dems got votes so they were voted in by idiots .
"Nobody voted conservative " mmm you sure now ? Maybe you should learn before you post in future.

slimitus wrote:

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Serves all those right that voted for them. I agree with the cuts but only for those "disabled" that are due to drink and drugs .
Meanwhile the immigrants and asylum seekers are doing just fine at our expense .

You do know that Cameron wasn't actually voted in don't you? Nobody voted for the conservative government at all. Perhaps you should learn something about what you post in future.

I do know that it is a coilition and that cameron was adopted as prime minister out of the 2 parties so in effect i am right . His party and the lib dems got votes so they were voted in by idiots .
"Nobody voted conservative " mmm you sure now ? Maybe you should learn before you post in future.

DMcccc wrote:
What is wrong with checking if people are genuinely disabled? The less scroungers we have, the more there is for the genuine needy.

the trouble is that the geniune needy as you put it are just as likely to not qualify on a computer generated points system just one example from yesterday to give you a little understanding. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-northern-ir
eland-19433535.

If you visit other countries you will be hard pushed to see even one or two "disabled" people. In this country, and in this town especially the place is absolutely crawling with them.
Would any of the socialist worker crackpots care to explain why this is?

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

national socialist bit different? suggest that the study of history may have passed you by? oh and your other comment re visiting other countries? which countries the ones like the ukraine where parents are still encouraged to leave their children in the care of the state? what would you suggest we do with these people that offend your sensibilites so much in blackburn? eugenics? your turn karltop. oh and this poster has very little time for the socialist workers of the world either so define what you mean by disabled and what your comments "crawling with them" mean, unless of course its as simplistic as jeffery marshall (bnp) : "There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all."

DMcccc wrote:
What is wrong with checking if people are genuinely disabled? The less scroungers we have, the more there is for the genuine needy.

the genuine needy never ever see any of the money saved by removing the cheats.
the checks may be fine for those percieved to be disabled, i.e. those in wheelchairs and theose who have lost limbs.
the problem is those who suffer a disabling illness. they may appear able bodied but severe depression amongst other things means it's impossible for them to cope with the stress of work and in a lot of cases the stress of this witch hunt.
they probbaly score nill points because they are able bodied and theres very little on this form for them to state their case.
there are documented cases of what the atos witch hunt does to people on local nhs sites.

l m h jones wrote:

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

national socialist bit different? suggest that the study of history may have passed you by? oh and your other comment re visiting other countries? which countries the ones like the ukraine where parents are still encouraged to leave their children in the care of the state? what would you suggest we do with these people that offend your sensibilites so much in blackburn? eugenics? your turn karltop. oh and this poster has very little time for the socialist workers of the world either so define what you mean by disabled and what your comments "crawling with them" mean, unless of course its as simplistic as jeffery marshall (bnp) : "There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all."

Not countries like Ukraine. France, Germany, Hungary. Normal, civilised, developed countries. Whether you subscribe to the views of the socialist worker or not, you're still of the same mindset.
And yes, Blackburn is crawling with people feigning disability, but i don't necessarily agree with your suggestion of a policy of eugenics. That's not to say the town couldn't be cleaned up a bit by getting rid of some of the scum.
Why are they so scared of being means-tested? Scared of being found out? Carrying a walking stick and pretending to limp is a lifestyle choice for increasing numbers of people. And don't get me started on disabled parking passes. Anyway, h jones, time for you to make up some things and pretend i've said them.

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

Hello Mosley, got your black shirt at the ready. National socialist is a different ball game altogether as has already been pointed out to your mind numbingly dim post. Makes you feel all big picking on the needy. You a security guard at the paralympics or something. Even that young swimmer who won two golds for her country says she is being horsewhipped into submission by the blind uncaring bullies at whitehall. Camorons footsoldier a MORON.

karltop wrote:

l m h jones wrote:

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

national socialist bit different? suggest that the study of history may have passed you by? oh and your other comment re visiting other countries? which countries the ones like the ukraine where parents are still encouraged to leave their children in the care of the state? what would you suggest we do with these people that offend your sensibilites so much in blackburn? eugenics? your turn karltop. oh and this poster has very little time for the socialist workers of the world either so define what you mean by disabled and what your comments "crawling with them" mean, unless of course its as simplistic as jeffery marshall (bnp) : "There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all."

Not countries like Ukraine. France, Germany, Hungary. Normal, civilised, developed countries. Whether you subscribe to the views of the socialist worker or not, you're still of the same mindset.
And yes, Blackburn is crawling with people feigning disability, but i don't necessarily agree with your suggestion of a policy of eugenics. That's not to say the town couldn't be cleaned up a bit by getting rid of some of the scum.
Why are they so scared of being means-tested? Scared of being found out? Carrying a walking stick and pretending to limp is a lifestyle choice for increasing numbers of people. And don't get me started on disabled parking passes. Anyway, h jones, time for you to make up some things and pretend i've said them.

i am not going to pretend you have said anything. what people are feigning disability? btw definately not my policy of eugenics i asked if it was yours..what would you do with people who are disabled? oh and means testing is irrelevent the discussion is about the current atos contract deciding disability by scoring of points on a computer awarding zero points to people who are currently undergoing chemo etc and being paid just short of a billion quid by this govt to scurry back to their share holders with. also suggest that if you have such an understanding that blackburn is full of people feigning disability then you contact the dwp? disabled parking passes? be my guest

RUinsane wrote:

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

Hello Mosley, got your black shirt at the ready. National socialist is a different ball game altogether as has already been pointed out to your mind numbingly dim post. Makes you feel all big picking on the needy. You a security guard at the paralympics or something. Even that young swimmer who won two golds for her country says she is being horsewhipped into submission by the blind uncaring bullies at whitehall. Camorons footsoldier a MORON.

No, not a security guard at the paralympics, just a normal person living, working and seeing what goes on, on a daily basis in this hellhole of a town. I find this very similar to the teachers and their "outcry" over the "scandal" of GCSE grades. All of you have been found out, and you don't like it. You and your apologists are a disgrace to this country.
Nice attempt at distancing yourself from Hitler BTW.

l m h jones wrote:

karltop wrote:

l m h jones wrote:

karltop wrote:
It is you have been spoon fed boll@x believing that if you vote for the nazi party it somehow makes you better than the others. Hitler started the same way.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.

national socialist bit different? suggest that the study of history may have passed you by? oh and your other comment re visiting other countries? which countries the ones like the ukraine where parents are still encouraged to leave their children in the care of the state? what would you suggest we do with these people that offend your sensibilites so much in blackburn? eugenics? your turn karltop. oh and this poster has very little time for the socialist workers of the world either so define what you mean by disabled and what your comments "crawling with them" mean, unless of course its as simplistic as jeffery marshall (bnp) : "There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all."

Not countries like Ukraine. France, Germany, Hungary. Normal, civilised, developed countries. Whether you subscribe to the views of the socialist worker or not, you're still of the same mindset.
And yes, Blackburn is crawling with people feigning disability, but i don't necessarily agree with your suggestion of a policy of eugenics. That's not to say the town couldn't be cleaned up a bit by getting rid of some of the scum.
Why are they so scared of being means-tested? Scared of being found out? Carrying a walking stick and pretending to limp is a lifestyle choice for increasing numbers of people. And don't get me started on disabled parking passes. Anyway, h jones, time for you to make up some things and pretend i've said them.

i am not going to pretend you have said anything. what people are feigning disability? btw definately not my policy of eugenics i asked if it was yours..what would you do with people who are disabled? oh and means testing is irrelevent the discussion is about the current atos contract deciding disability by scoring of points on a computer awarding zero points to people who are currently undergoing chemo etc and being paid just short of a billion quid by this govt to scurry back to their share holders with. also suggest that if you have such an understanding that blackburn is full of people feigning disability then you contact the dwp? disabled parking passes? be my guest

Where do you live, h jones? Obviously not in Blackburn. My Auntie is currently undergoing chemo, but she's not disabled. I suppose it depends on how low people will go to try and steal a bit more from the already over-burdened taxpayer. Having chemo = ill, not "disabled".
"Disabled" parking passes, - do I need to explain this?? Really?
And if you don't think people are feigning disability, please explain the anomaly that is thousands of them in a relatively small town, and very few in foreign cities with a population of millions. I really want you to explain this.

Google Green Holocaust nollyprott worldpress !

What's happening in UK politics at the moment is a bit like WW2 Nazi Germany where the SS got the Jews to willingly pay for the train tickets to the concentration camp, FFS everybody wake up soon !

brossen99 wrote:
Google Green Holocaust nollyprott worldpress !

What's happening in UK politics at the moment is a bit like WW2 Nazi Germany where the SS got the Jews to willingly pay for the train tickets to the concentration camp, FFS everybody wake up soon !

Interesting. How is it similar? Or maybe it isn't and you are simply an apologist for the town's liars and losers. Which makes you.....

You don't have to be a Guardian-reading leftie to work at the LET. But I helps.!

I wonder if this will become yet another U turn by the feckless idiots who have achieved power that they are not entitled too. Not only are they making a mess of our education system, NHS, benefits and economy; they have weakened our defence, immigration controls, our quality of life and even now are STILL after selling our forests to the highest (foreign) bidder.

Lets not forget that Cameron and Osborne keep their money offshore to avoid tax either.

Still, it's easier to pick on the weak and disabled than it is to solve the real problems.

Declining educational standards (thanks to Labour), a bloated, over-managed NHS, (thanks to Labour), hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy due to PFI contracts (thanks to Labour), a bankrupt economy, (thanks to Labour) , unrestricted immigration and an out-of-control and unsustainable welfare system (again, thanks to Labour).

You seem to acknowledge the problems, so why get upset when somebody has to repair the damage? Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees.( the trees that you so absurdly seem to be concerned about)

The people who should be upset are the over-burdened taxpayers, who, as well as having to support and provide for their own familes - have to provide for the useless, idle and feckless "people" in our society.

Remember, anything you take from the government was taken from someone else.

karltop wrote:
Declining educational standards (thanks to Labour), a bloated, over-managed NHS, (thanks to Labour), hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy due to PFI contracts (thanks to Labour), a bankrupt economy, (thanks to Labour) , unrestricted immigration and an out-of-control and unsustainable welfare system (again, thanks to Labour).

You seem to acknowledge the problems, so why get upset when somebody has to repair the damage? Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees.( the trees that you so absurdly seem to be concerned about)

The people who should be upset are the over-burdened taxpayers, who, as well as having to support and provide for their own familes - have to provide for the useless, idle and feckless "people" in our society.

Remember, anything you take from the government was taken from someone else.

You seem to think I support new liebour. Any comment on the REDUCTION in funding for the police, the armed forces, the NHS, the immigration service, social services; which is being damaged rather than repaired. It was also the capitalist ideology of an open market that created the GLOBAL financial collapse. only blinkered people are more than happy to blame on Tony Blair ( a secret Tory) and a inept Scotsman for the mess we are in. It's funny how the Germans are doing ok yet the UK is failing because your rich toff friend gormless Gideon hasn't a clue.

jack daniels wrote:

karltop wrote:
Declining educational standards (thanks to Labour), a bloated, over-managed NHS, (thanks to Labour), hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy due to PFI contracts (thanks to Labour), a bankrupt economy, (thanks to Labour) , unrestricted immigration and an out-of-control and unsustainable welfare system (again, thanks to Labour).

You seem to acknowledge the problems, so why get upset when somebody has to repair the damage? Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees.( the trees that you so absurdly seem to be concerned about)

The people who should be upset are the over-burdened taxpayers, who, as well as having to support and provide for their own familes - have to provide for the useless, idle and feckless "people" in our society.

Remember, anything you take from the government was taken from someone else.

You seem to think I support new liebour. Any comment on the REDUCTION in funding for the police, the armed forces, the NHS, the immigration service, social services; which is being damaged rather than repaired. It was also the capitalist ideology of an open market that created the GLOBAL financial collapse. only blinkered people are more than happy to blame on Tony Blair ( a secret Tory) and a inept Scotsman for the mess we are in. It's funny how the Germans are doing ok yet the UK is failing because your rich toff friend gormless Gideon hasn't a clue.

Believe me, pal. There's nothing blinkered in my views. And why is Osborne my pal? "Rich toff"? Do you resent the fact that he is wealthy, and perhaps posh? What's wrong with that? Jealous?

Anyway, back to my question that no-one seems able to answer. Why are there so many more "disabled" people in this country, when compared to others in Europe. Why such dis-proportion?

karltop wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

karltop wrote:
Declining educational standards (thanks to Labour), a bloated, over-managed NHS, (thanks to Labour), hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy due to PFI contracts (thanks to Labour), a bankrupt economy, (thanks to Labour) , unrestricted immigration and an out-of-control and unsustainable welfare system (again, thanks to Labour).

You seem to acknowledge the problems, so why get upset when somebody has to repair the damage? Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees.( the trees that you so absurdly seem to be concerned about)

The people who should be upset are the over-burdened taxpayers, who, as well as having to support and provide for their own familes - have to provide for the useless, idle and feckless "people" in our society.

Remember, anything you take from the government was taken from someone else.

You seem to think I support new liebour. Any comment on the REDUCTION in funding for the police, the armed forces, the NHS, the immigration service, social services; which is being damaged rather than repaired. It was also the capitalist ideology of an open market that created the GLOBAL financial collapse. only blinkered people are more than happy to blame on Tony Blair ( a secret Tory) and a inept Scotsman for the mess we are in. It's funny how the Germans are doing ok yet the UK is failing because your rich toff friend gormless Gideon hasn't a clue.

Believe me, pal. There's nothing blinkered in my views. And why is Osborne my pal? "Rich toff"? Do you resent the fact that he is wealthy, and perhaps posh? What's wrong with that? Jealous?

Anyway, back to my question that no-one seems able to answer. Why are there so many more "disabled" people in this country, when compared to others in Europe. Why such dis-proportion?

To answer your question. I'm not jealous as I'm financially comfortable but I do have to ask why the country is being ruined by a couple of friends of your that got their positions through inherited wealth and power and NOT by the majority of the population through a general election. Democracy? I think not.

As for your other question; why don't you google it and find out yourself? This isn't 'ask jeeves' and it's not my
Job to resolve your lack of knowledge problems.

jack daniels wrote:

karltop wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

karltop wrote:
Declining educational standards (thanks to Labour), a bloated, over-managed NHS, (thanks to Labour), hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy due to PFI contracts (thanks to Labour), a bankrupt economy, (thanks to Labour) , unrestricted immigration and an out-of-control and unsustainable welfare system (again, thanks to Labour).

You seem to acknowledge the problems, so why get upset when somebody has to repair the damage? Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees.( the trees that you so absurdly seem to be concerned about)

The people who should be upset are the over-burdened taxpayers, who, as well as having to support and provide for their own familes - have to provide for the useless, idle and feckless "people" in our society.

Remember, anything you take from the government was taken from someone else.

You seem to think I support new liebour. Any comment on the REDUCTION in funding for the police, the armed forces, the NHS, the immigration service, social services; which is being damaged rather than repaired. It was also the capitalist ideology of an open market that created the GLOBAL financial collapse. only blinkered people are more than happy to blame on Tony Blair ( a secret Tory) and a inept Scotsman for the mess we are in. It's funny how the Germans are doing ok yet the UK is failing because your rich toff friend gormless Gideon hasn't a clue.

Believe me, pal. There's nothing blinkered in my views. And why is Osborne my pal? "Rich toff"? Do you resent the fact that he is wealthy, and perhaps posh? What's wrong with that? Jealous?

Anyway, back to my question that no-one seems able to answer. Why are there so many more "disabled" people in this country, when compared to others in Europe. Why such dis-proportion?

To answer your question. I'm not jealous as I'm financially comfortable but I do have to ask why the country is being ruined by a couple of friends of your that got their positions through inherited wealth and power and NOT by the majority of the population through a general election. Democracy? I think not.

As for your other question; why don't you google it and find out yourself? This isn't 'ask jeeves' and it's not my
Job to resolve your lack of knowledge problems.

Anyone that refers to people as "rich toff", is jealous. It's class-hatred bred, and perpetuated by the Left. Yes, you are jealous. Doesn't everyone benefit from inherited wealth at some point inm their lives? I would like to have the money of Cameron and Osborne, but I don't hate them for it, or think it's unfair like you do, you bitter, bitter man.
As for my question, (I know the answer) it's for you to respond. But I know that you can't, because you don't like the answer. It doesn't sit with your ridiculous beliefs. People like you are symptomatic of everything that is wrong with this country. This needs to change, and fast.
You're pathetic.

@Karltop

Pathetic?

Is that because I wouldn’t answer a question that shouldn’t be directed at me in the first place? I simply offered an opinion, which I placed on this website, and it is YOU who responded to me ( at
12:04pm Sun 2 Sep 12 ) then proceeded to ask me questions about Government policies I have never implied to be expert on, or to have been responsible for.

I also recall that you didn’t reply to my comment regarding

“the REDUCTION in funding for the police, the armed forces, the NHS, the immigration service, social services; which is being damaged rather than repaired. It was also the capitalist ideology of an open market that created the GLOBAL financial collapse”

As for the use of the term ‘rich toff’.

Wikipedia states - In British English slang, a toff is a mildly derogatory term for someone with an aristocratic background or belonging to the landed gentry, particularly someone who exudes an air of superiority (I think we can include Gideon and David in that category don’t you?).

Both of your chums, Gideon and David, are millionaires (various sources); so I think that classes them in the ‘rich’ and ‘toffs’. No harm there then, and I think that settles that one in my favour, as I have already stated that I am comfortable financially and am certainly not jealous of two rich toffs who will go down in history as the worse comedy duo ever.

If my opinion and subsequent responses have upset you; then it your own fault for being so defensive of a political party that has its own interests at heart and for getting yourself upset in a reasonable debate. It’s people like you, that follow your leaders like sheep, that are the reason we are in this mess.

God help us all, from Gideon, David and their best friend Karl.

The bitter (yet comfortable) "man" is back. Copying and pasting all of his "knowledge" from that bastion of accuracy, that is the internet. Oh, and probably the Guardian and the BBC.
Own interests at heart? Your jealous raging against people with more money than you speaks volumes. Cameron and Osborne are wealthy, accept it. Why let it eat you up? It's embarrassing.
For the record, I'm not tribal enough to blindly support Cameron and/or Osborne, but I'd rather them than the circus clowns Brown and Balls.

karltop wrote:
The bitter (yet comfortable) "man" is back. Copying and pasting all of his "knowledge" from that bastion of accuracy, that is the internet. Oh, and probably the Guardian and the BBC.
Own interests at heart? Your jealous raging against people with more money than you speaks volumes. Cameron and Osborne are wealthy, accept it. Why let it eat you up? It's embarrassing.
For the record, I'm not tribal enough to blindly support Cameron and/or Osborne, but I'd rather them than the circus clowns Brown and Balls.

....yet here you are, defending your clueless chums on this site. Are you expecting a mention in the honours list along with all the other brown noses?

You are getting more and more clueless with each comment. I corrected you regarding your aimless question; I corrected you on the phrase 'rich toffs'; and I'm having to correct you here again about my 'so-called' membership of the libour party.

So failed to such on here to such an extent that I think they'll be asking you to join the other failures in the cabinet when you chum Dave does his shuffle on monday.

Fingers crossed and good luck lacky...

You haven't corrected me on anything! I've proven that you are a bitter little man, jealous of the success of others, and insecure in himself. I've not even suggested that you are a Labour voter. It's a shame that you need to invent things to make yourself feel better.

I've tried to make sense of your post but it's just so poorly written. Ahh, Labour's children, what a legacy!

Poorly written? Labours children?

So it's quite strange that 26 million people in the UK are still unable to read, write or add up which equates to about 43% of the population (Basic Skills Agency, 2006) and the main reason for this was because of the lack of funding for schools during Thatcher's and Major's time in power.

Facts and figures instead of petty insults will win the day.

… somewhere there is a little man with a black heart desparately trying think of some witty retort.

Hurry up Karl, mummy will be home from the bingo soon to tuck you and read her big boy a bed time story…

Re-read what you put. It wasn't an insult, it was a fact.

I don't suppose you'll understand what a fact is, so perhaps you can have a look on your computer for the answer.
Honestly, how did you survive before the internet? Where did you get your "knowledge" from?!

I was educated during the Thatcher and Major years and it's a fact that education has gone rapidly downhill since then.
That's why kids nowadays can barely speak, read or write. All thanks to the wonderful 13 years of Labour education, where everyone's a loser, I mean, winner. If you fail to recognise this then you are more of a simpleton than you first seemed.

Come on jack, just face up to the fact that you are a bitter, twisted, insecure leftie loser who can't write or spell and needs a computer to back up his arguments. You are an apologist for our country's losers and scum, and that makes you a traitor and a disgrace. Small brain - small man.

karltop wrote:
Come on jack, just face up to the fact that you are a bitter, twisted, insecure leftie loser who can't write or spell and needs a computer to back up his arguments. You are an apologist for our country's losers and scum, and that makes you a traitor and a disgrace. Small brain - small man.

So you admit that I've backed up my arguments and all you do is respond by using childish insults. I don't need to keep responding to your replies when you are clearly your own worse enemy. I'll just let the readers make up their own minds on who's right ;-)

Not insults, facts.By readers, you mean the people of Blackburn, who can't stop voting for the socialists? Why would anyone take any notice of them?

The so called disabled should be made to watch the para olympics and then feel ashamed of themselves for pretending they are ill.
I have never seen so many " disabled " as there are in Burnley .Yet strangely enough they can walk fine when they are walking to the bar or going outside for a fag .

maggie-T wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Wecome to Camerons Big Society, Where the vulnerable, needy and less well off pay for his 4 holidays a year.
You know what to do come election day. All his banker buddy mates with their well lined bonus filled pockets are laughing at your stupidity for thinking it would be different. Same old, just a funky new name.

Here's the answer, no in not insane, but you are, how can you possibly say that Cameron has his, banker buddy's ? Can you please tell me who and which government knighted Fred Goodwin ? Second question, can you tell me who took that knighthood away from (sir) Fred Goodwin , could you tell me who was the first government to tax bankers bonuses? It's called the politics of envy, misled, and I really feel sorry for the likes of you who has been spoonfed piles of working class bull all his life, get a free mind and think for your self, it's not rocket science, who closed our hospital at burnley? It wasn't Cameron , who ruined every final salary pension scheme in the country by grabbing £5 billion from our pensions year on year? Gordon brown, unforgivable, people like you are pathetic, we are the working class Tories and proud of it, !!

Working and Class is a contradiction in terms for any working class person to speak as you speak! Did Ca-moron mention any of these thing as he electioneered around the UK? No he did not! He did say "As soon as the elction is over Jobs would be available through increased activity by the Private sector" Has it happened NO! Did he promise to keep the Winter Fuel Allowance safe? Yes he did then promptly reduced it by £50 when he weedled his way into power with the help of the Limp-Dems! Did he say the NHS would be protected? Yes he did! Now he is quickly destroying the NHS! Waiting Lists have blown out beyond all recognition from 18 weeks to 26 weeks and beyond. Roads, Railways, Border Agencies, Police, Army, Navy Airforce have all been CUT to the bone! Prices are spiraling out of control in any area you wish to mention, House building is at its lowest level for 50 years. No Social housing is available! No schools Tuition Fee's will be capped at £6000! Remeber that one? All universities are now charging £9000, No capping or Cuts there then! The only growth that I can see is in the bank balances of the rich who were each given a £40.000 bonus for every £m that they had! Camoron is worth a reputed £30m, Gideon Osborne is reputedly worth £15m! Along with the 21 other millionaires' in the Cabinet, You can I believe safely say that their nest are abundently feathered
Wake up you self centred working class Tory!

Elegant1 wrote:

maggie-T wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Wecome to Camerons Big Society, Where the vulnerable, needy and less well off pay for his 4 holidays a year.
You know what to do come election day. All his banker buddy mates with their well lined bonus filled pockets are laughing at your stupidity for thinking it would be different. Same old, just a funky new name.

Here's the answer, no in not insane, but you are, how can you possibly say that Cameron has his, banker buddy's ? Can you please tell me who and which government knighted Fred Goodwin ? Second question, can you tell me who took that knighthood away from (sir) Fred Goodwin , could you tell me who was the first government to tax bankers bonuses? It's called the politics of envy, misled, and I really feel sorry for the likes of you who has been spoonfed piles of working class bull all his life, get a free mind and think for your self, it's not rocket science, who closed our hospital at burnley? It wasn't Cameron , who ruined every final salary pension scheme in the country by grabbing £5 billion from our pensions year on year? Gordon brown, unforgivable, people like you are pathetic, we are the working class Tories and proud of it, !!

Working and Class is a contradiction in terms for any working class person to speak as you speak! Did Ca-moron mention any of these thing as he electioneered around the UK? No he did not! He did say "As soon as the elction is over Jobs would be available through increased activity by the Private sector" Has it happened NO! Did he promise to keep the Winter Fuel Allowance safe? Yes he did then promptly reduced it by £50 when he weedled his way into power with the help of the Limp-Dems! Did he say the NHS would be protected? Yes he did! Now he is quickly destroying the NHS! Waiting Lists have blown out beyond all recognition from 18 weeks to 26 weeks and beyond. Roads, Railways, Border Agencies, Police, Army, Navy Airforce have all been CUT to the bone! Prices are spiraling out of control in any area you wish to mention, House building is at its lowest level for 50 years. No Social housing is available! No schools Tuition Fee's will be capped at £6000! Remeber that one? All universities are now charging £9000, No capping or Cuts there then! The only growth that I can see is in the bank balances of the rich who were each given a £40.000 bonus for every £m that they had! Camoron is worth a reputed £30m, Gideon Osborne is reputedly worth £15m! Along with the 21 other millionaires' in the Cabinet, You can I believe safely say that their nest are abundently feathered
Wake up you self centred working class Tory!

Hmm, I think your champagne socialist poster boy, Blair, is richer than Cameron and Osborne put together. Not quite the caring, sharing leftie he made himself out to be. Shall we talk about him? After all, him and his faux working-class friends are responsible for this mess.

To all -
But especially to Stuart Farquar ,

Stuart , you (hopefully) remember me from my cycling posts on a different thread .

You may be interested to know that I had a letter of mine published in last weeks edition of "The Socialist Worker" - in which I criticised Atos .

Yesterday I send an Email to Atos
cc - Socialist Worker .
cc - Jake Berry .

In which I pointed out that Ian Duncan Smith had LIED .

What am I talking about ?

Well that is for another day .
Suffice it to say that I can prove everything I am saying , as I have an original of the "Daily Mail" January this year .

I can also prove , as again I have it in front of me - this is an original , not from the Internet , the "Scottish Daily Mail" from July 2011 . I quote as follows....

"However,MPs yesterday accused Atos of providing a service 'below the standard expected' with taxpayers' cash being spent on successful appeals against wrong decisions .
The Work and Pensions select committee said that severely disabled people have endured traumatic face-to-face interviews."

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To all - I have no interest whatsoever in how much money an MP has .

Unless of course it is from false expense claims .

I am interested in how morons like Prescott , liars like Blair , are still leaching from the taxpayer , especially after they ruined our country.

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One last point -

Hmmm....

Sir John Major .

Sir Harold Wilson .

Sir Winston Churchill .

Sir Alec-Douglas Home .

Sir Anthony Eden .

Baroness Thatcher .

Sir Edward Heath .

I am sure you can add to the list .

But....

No Sir Anthony Blair .

No Sir Gordon Brown .

Wonder why not ?
Guess Her Majesty thinks they are both ........(your choice of words)
.