Free school on track to open in Blackburn (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

i know alot wrote:
Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

So that's a life of Islamic teachings and isolation from western culture! It's increasingly difficult to believe that the Asian community wishes to be British when this self imposed segregation, centred on a wahabi based form of extreme Islam is being forced upon innocent minds.

jack daniels wrote:
So that's a life of Islamic teachings and isolation from western culture! It's increasingly difficult to believe that the Asian community wishes to be British when this self imposed segregation, centred on a wahabi based form of extreme Islam is being forced upon innocent minds.

But why do our governments seem to be so keen to encourage the growth in Islamic culture in this country what is the reason?

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
So that's a life of Islamic teachings and isolation from western culture! It's increasingly difficult to believe that the Asian community wishes to be British when this self imposed segregation, centred on a wahabi based form of extreme Islam is being forced upon innocent minds.

But why do our governments seem to be so keen to encourage the growth in Islamic culture in this country what is the reason?

In this instance it seems the government have looked at Tauheedul's achievements in the secondary sector and approved the primary school in the hope that similar successes may be replicated.

But why are the government so keen to encourage the growth of Islanic culture? Now that is a question worth researching!!

Michael, do you consider that one's association with the underdog is connected with age? When one encounters a person younger than oneself in a position of authority and/or responsibility does one consider that a younger person must be accomplished to be in such a position, or does one more readily accept the view that they have attracted special favour and can't possibly have enough experience? Symmetrically, does one commonly assume that an older person is necessarily superior in important respects?

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
So that's a life of Islamic teachings and isolation from western culture! It's increasingly difficult to believe that the Asian community wishes to be British when this self imposed segregation, centred on a wahabi based form of extreme Islam is being forced upon innocent minds.

But why do our governments seem to be so keen to encourage the growth in Islamic culture in this country what is the reason?

The Saudi's and other Arab states control so much of our financial institutions that we are just puppets. Like you say; there's a bigger picture and it worries me because none of it looks promising

Graham Hartley wrote:
Michael, do you consider that one's association with the underdog is connected with age? When one encounters a person younger than oneself in a position of authority and/or responsibility does one consider that a younger person must be accomplished to be in such a position, or does one more readily accept the view that they have attracted special favour and can't possibly have enough experience? Symmetrically, does one commonly assume that an older person is necessarily superior in important respects?

Hi Graham, My life has been one long fight from total poverty as a child with my parents to having a good enough life. I'm mortgage free and slowly finding I can have some of life's treats, but I do have regrets and anger to how hard it has been for me when I see how easy it has been for others not even born here, but I hold no malice or hatred there has to be a reason. As for age yes time is running out but I can't and neither can anyone else do anything about that :0

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin


ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin



ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Strange Google shows no evidence that you have ever posted before on the Lancashire Evening Telegraph Tom. My Paranoia, oh my Paranoia

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin



ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Totally agree.

This is excellent news for Blackburn.

Tauheedul should take over the management of all primary schools in Blackburn. Just google St Stephens and you will understand why I say what I say. Good luck to Michael Gove for approving this. Well done Tauheedul.

Blackburn is proud of you.

LET journalists need some training. Perhaps they should join Tauheedul's leadership development training course.

What does 'mainly Muslim' mean? 99% or 51%? Or is it a delibrate attempt to 'whip up' anti-Muslim hysteria when under the Free Schools policy, 50% of admissions is non-faith based.

Nevertheless, congratulations to LET for not having comments from the NUT's self appointed anti-change rep Simon Jones.

Faith or non faith. It doesn't matter who delivers education to our young learners. Let's be objective. Every parent wants the best for their child. If tauheedul is the right vehicle to deliver their aspirations then we should get behind them and give them all the support they need.

Good education leads to prosperity for the country!!!

Thanks tauheedul and all the best.

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin


ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin




ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Strange Google shows no evidence that you have ever posted before on the Lancashire Evening Telegraph Tom. My Paranoia, oh my Paranoia

LOL ... So that must make me a CIA sponsored Arab Freemason who has infitrated the British education system to post comments on the LET website ... Oh my God, My cover's been blown.

Paranoia indeed Michael!

Mister Smith wrote:
Faith or non faith. It doesn't matter who delivers education to our young learners. Let's be objective. Every parent wants the best for their child. If tauheedul is the right vehicle to deliver their aspirations then we should get behind them and give them all the support they need.

Good education leads to prosperity for the country!!!

Thanks tauheedul and all the best.

Good point there Mister Smith.

Are you a teacher?

Looks like those who have not benefited from a good education want others to be deprived as well.

Tauheedul has done excellent work and although the local council has not give it due recognition, nor has LET, but the government and the majority of the people of Blackburn have. So has the national media, so well done to the guys at Tauheedul.

Just look at their work with Blakewater College which the Council left in a mess.

http://www.tauheedul
education.com/leader
ship-about-us.html

I'm no teacher but have a little common sense!!! I suggest ppl look in to tauheedul themselves and not jump on the band wagon!!!! Ignorance is no excuse.

Unfortunately LET fails it's readers again by not highlighting the positive contributions tauheedul has made towards other schools namely blakewater college and saving hawthornes from becoming an academy, bailing LA out when no other high school offered its support!!!

Tauheedul modestly gets on with it's business which is to serve the community at large directly and indirectly in a voluntary capacity..... I was sceptical about tauheedul hence researched them. Its a Shame that our LA and family of schools don't all have the same drive and ambitions as tauheedul.

Tauheedul was given birth the day our family of schools starting failing our communities!!!

Like it or not we are responsible for tauheeduls existence.

editor1988 wrote:
http://www.tauheedul

education.com/leader

ship-about-us.html

Might be a silly question, but is this leadership programme only for Muslims & Asians?

How can one say that Asians get things for free.... Are we saying they are not paying taxes and contributing to the economy!!

There's good and bad in all. Take a snap shot of our own (white communities) you'll realise how many of them can't even help themselves never mind look for the best for their children!!!! It's too easy to blame the Asians for our pitiful situation!!!!

Opportunities are there for all - some take advantage of them whilst others are too busy criticising!!!

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.' Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Strange Google shows no evidence that you have ever posted before on the Lancashire Evening Telegraph Tom. My Paranoia, oh my Paranoia

LOL ... So that must make me a CIA sponsored Arab Freemason who has infitrated the British education system to post comments on the LET website ... Oh my God, My cover's been blown. Paranoia indeed Michael!

My, such activity in the early hours! Perhaps some of our correspondents live in regions too far from GMT for Michael's comfort.

Several correspondents reflect a view that some groups in society attract and benefit from free services, that the willingness of authorities to provide is disproportionate, associated with race or religion. The description of this new school as free has been used in support of this view, but the meaning of 'free' in this context does not extend to include 'exclusive access to quality education for those of faith'.

There is some distance between me and a person of faith; in this context I am opposed to the representation of children as followers of Abrahamic or other faiths in order to promote such approaches to life as valuable. It is interesting to note that the government intends to check that groups with a 'dark agenda' do not exploit the system; but caution... this is reported in The Daily Mail.

I would love to send my children there but my youngest will be starting year 2 unfortunately. So he will have to wait until he finishes tear 6 :(

Graham Hartley wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.' Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Strange Google shows no evidence that you have ever posted before on the Lancashire Evening Telegraph Tom. My Paranoia, oh my Paranoia

LOL ... So that must make me a CIA sponsored Arab Freemason who has infitrated the British education system to post comments on the LET website ... Oh my God, My cover's been blown. Paranoia indeed Michael!

My, such activity in the early hours! Perhaps some of our correspondents live in regions too far from GMT for Michael's comfort.

Like Lanacshire ?!?!

Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58 wrote:

jack daniels wrote: So that's a life of Islamic teachings and isolation from western culture! It's increasingly difficult to believe that the Asian community wishes to be British when this self imposed segregation, centred on a wahabi based form of extreme Islam is being forced upon innocent minds.

But why do our governments seem to be so keen to encourage the growth in Islamic culture in this country what is the reason?

Michael, considered in the context of this report of change in education provision it has been long-acknowledged that faith schools perform well, though there is no established reason. Given the success and faith-origin of this Blackburn group, there can be no surprise that its offer to expand has been supported. It is unfortunate that there is a recent report of abuse in a faith organisation; however we must not conclude that such an approach to pupil welfare is common in the Blackburn group. It is worth recalling that there is an extensive history of enforced religious observance and corporal punishment in British state schools; an aspect hard to forget among those who endured it.

Blimey, some people really have vivid imaginations. Congratulations on this new venture. I am sure it will be as successful as the Girls Secondary School.

Just one thing though, if the Girls School has been so successful despite of the LA and not because of it, why doesn't it become an Academy?

Just a thought.............
..

As I see it, this is good news for children and parents in Blackburn. The Tauheedul Girls School has been a positive, outward-looking organisation which has contributed much to community cohesion in the town. At the same time its pupils have achieved very high standards, and the school has helped other local schools like Blakewater to improve. If you believe, as I do, that education is the key to Blackburn's future prosperity then support this new venture.

Well, arguments from those with vivid imaginations are not by that origin rendered false. Similarly, arguments from authority are not therefore rendered correct and arguments from ignorance not thereby false. In this context one can consider the common view that alternatives are all of equal merit. Here, they are not.

It's good to see the voices of reason, balance, and moderation on this thread, as a contrast to those who see the imminent threat of cultural and educational apocalypse in anything that involves the dread words 'Islam' and 'school'.
Graham makes some excellent points, both in his analysis of why faith schools tend to be more successful - it's not exactly clear why! - but also his warning against linking the shocking events at one Islamic institution and what might or might not happen at an Islamic school which falls under the broad umbrella of state education. The physical and emotional abuse of young people is barbaric, and it is for this reason that moves by Tauheedul and other Islamic groups into the public sphere are to be welcomed, for at a stroke they become more accountable, more transparent, not less. Sadly, private institutions are not as rigorously inspected as public ones.
There is another story behind this though. For this shocking tale to have become public at all shows that things are moving on in terms of the Muslim community's resolve to put an end to these outmoded ways of treating young people, for it can only have entered the public domain because some members of the Muslim community have wanted it to be made public. Young people know their rights, parents too, and rightly so. In the past this kind of abuse would have been dealt with behind closed doors, if at all, but its exposure is evidence of an important shift in thinking, and is to be welcomed. And let us not delude ourselves into thinking that such abuse has only occurred in Islamic institutions in our country - friends of mine who attended secular, public schools in the sixties and seventies will tell you otherwise.

We should however try to put to bed once and for all this spurious link between Tauheedul and the Wahhabi faith, indeed any 'dodgy' link between the school and Saudi Arabia. The school may have been visited by people from that country, or had visiting speakers, but looking back over the past few years I read that Jack Straw has also been there on a few occasions; does that imply a secret link with the Labour Party?!?!?! What Tauheedul is doing is light years away from what appears to be a traditional Saudi approach to the position of women. The school has a student council, like all the other schools in Blackburn; getting young women to vote on things from an early age doesn't seem terribly Wahhabi-like to me!

Yes, the Tauheedul project is clearly expanding, but if it wasn't doing the core business of getting good results for Blackburn's young people very well, then it would have fallen apart years ago. Its work with Blakewater is particularly heartening; a secular school working hand-in-hand with a local partner, with tangible benefits for all concerned.

The conspiracy theorists of course see this as a further example of a move towards global dominance of the Islamic faith, starting in Blackburn of course. May I respond to this paranoia with two points; firstly, the Muslim community of the UK is still massively under-represented in the higher echelons of power, both political and corporate, the old guard still look after themselves very nicely, and instead of moaning some people want to take them on and compete with them, starting with a good education. Secondly, if you're worried about who is on top in the battle for ideas, events in the Middle East indicate that the traditional model of authority in that part of the world has taken a seismic shift towards a western model. The world is not standing still, and communities everywhere have had enough of being told that they can only have low aspirations, and that they need to know their place in society. Truly meritocratic societies need a bedrock of educational excellence, and that is what Tauheedul if offering. The north-west is in desperate need of smart, educated, and ambitious young people, and if the small number of ex-Tauheedul students I've met are anything to go by, the future's looking a little better already.

Would people get as agitated if this was a Church of England school? I was sceptical about the government's Free School policy, but if it allows excellent schools like Tauheedul to expand their approach then maybe I should think again. Great news for Blcakburn!

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

The point about Tauheedul that it is working hard to break down divisions within the town. You don't have to be a Muslim to attend a Tauheedul school. Muslim children often go to Catholic and Church of England schools because of the faith dimension or because standards are good. Why shouldn't non-Muslim children attend a good Muslim school? This way barriers can be genuinely broken down.

Valid point stephie, if u take a look at what happened at several schools in Blackburn in particular Lammack
Primary. The asian families sought integration and hence desired their children to attend Lammack primary. Within a few years the white families starting to flee.... Now the school
Is predominantly Asian Muslims!!!

Are we going to blame the Muslims/Asians for taking over Lammack too!!!!

It sometimes looks like WE don't want to integrate as oppose to the Asians not wanting to!!! Shame......

I went to the middle east recently - one only needs to see how many expats are living in that region, non of the Arabs accusing of them taking over!!! The fact is they hold most of the senior posts their.

It's based on merit..... If you have what it takes then you deserve to be successful whether it's an individual of any background or a school
Of any faith or non faith.

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century!

I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Mister Smith wrote:
Valid point stephie, if u take a look at what happened at several schools in Blackburn in particular Lammack
Primary. The asian families sought integration and hence desired their children to attend Lammack primary. Within a few years the white families starting to flee.... Now the school
Is predominantly Asian Muslims!!!

Are we going to blame the Muslims/Asians for taking over Lammack too!!!!

It sometimes looks like WE don't want to integrate as oppose to the Asians not wanting to!!! Shame......

I went to the middle east recently - one only needs to see how many expats are living in that region, non of the Arabs accusing of them taking over!!! The fact is they hold most of the senior posts their.

It's based on merit..... If you have what it takes then you deserve to be successful whether it's an individual of any background or a school
Of any faith or non faith.

Tut tut, sorry Mister Smith, merit has no place in this town ... the ruling left wingers on the council would not allow it.

Maybe I am being too analytical over this but why would a Tory government support educational reform in Blackburn which is a Labour stronghold. There's nothing to be gained in Blackburn for the Tories.

The only reason I can see is because of the educational value of allowing these guys to run schools.

Therefore, based purely on educational philosophy, this has to be a good thing for the town.

Onwards and upwards.

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century!

I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Yet the 20th Century offenders rarely fought and slaughtered their own neighbours because they worshipped a different way.

For a religion that promotes peace, they sure do go about it in a funny way….

I am wondering why it's not feasible to ask if the mosques are contributing to the segregation of this town? Tauheedal school is connected to the mosque and it is the Islamic teachings of that branch of islam which is promoted within the school. Don’t forget that the school was pulled up in an inspection a number of years ago for not teaching a number of subjects which could be deemed as un-islamic.

We both know that ignorance of other cultures can generate mistrust yet if a child is educated from primary school to year 11 without sustained contact with the indigenous community, then it can be argued that they will be little communication thereafter.

Also, don’t forget that the Channel 4 documentary showed a number of mosques promoting negative aspects of western culture. Surely this isn’t paranoia if a few million people watched it on TV?

Finally. I can’t speak for all the people that have fled from areas with asian populations, but I’d say that the link between high unemployment, worsening schools (where ESOL is a factor), race crime, different cultures and the increase in poverty are contributing factors. The influx of penniless immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh has left it’s mark and you have to ask “would I live in a cess pit if I don’t have to”?

Graham Hartley wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.' Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Strange Google shows no evidence that you have ever posted before on the Lancashire Evening Telegraph Tom. My Paranoia, oh my Paranoia

LOL ... So that must make me a CIA sponsored Arab Freemason who has infitrated the British education system to post comments on the LET website ... Oh my God, My cover's been blown. Paranoia indeed Michael!

My, such activity in the early hours! Perhaps some of our correspondents live in regions too far from GMT for Michael's comfort.

Yeah what time do CIA sponsored Arab Freemason's go to bed haha :)

Multiculturalism does indeed pose very real challenges for any society, and only the most dewy-eyed liberal would maintain otherwise. There is a shared responsibility for all concerned that any debate should be based on reality rather than 'worse case scenarios' which dominate the thinking of some posters. To equate the opening of some schools, which have a proven track record of academic results, with the very worst excesses of islam in some countries, is risible in the extreme. This is akin to likening the current monarch with Henry VIII. The roots of cultural segregation lie, sadly, at the door of those who, under any circumstances, are unwilling to take people at face value, see the very real contribution some people from these communities are making, and most of all reflect on what their own contribution has been. If multiculturalism is per se a disaster, as some lunatics would have us believe, then how is it that one of the most multicultural cities on earth, London, is about to host what should be a wonderful and successful Olympic Games? To those same people, who doubt the loyalty of citizens from certain groups in our country, why is it that they are proud to train selflessly for years and wear the GB colours with pride, or play for a national team? I prefer to think and plan for best case scenarios and engage with people who have a vision for our country which brings the best out of young people, and doesn't **** them cruelly on the basis of their beliefs and what they 'might' do. We integrate with each other, 'they' don't simply have to integrate with 'us'.

I think Stephiee has it right. Tauheedul's track record is one of working in partnership with all communities in Blackburn and sharing their effective approach to education with them. The new school will take that further and will support better integration in the town.

amazing how many "english" names have jumped on here to defend the slowly slowly invasion policy adopted by certain ethnicities and the left. Maybe they'll wake up one day and say WTF!!!!!!

Alas, some good common sense prevailing by the vast majority of residents of Blackburn.

Tauheedul's work is nationally acknowledged and they will deliver fantastic results in Blackburn through the primary school. I just hope the council gives them other schools in the town to run as well.

Francis56 wrote:
I think Stephiee has it right. Tauheedul's track record is one of working in partnership with all communities in Blackburn and sharing their effective approach to education with them. The new school will take that further and will support better integration in the town.

Agree totally.

Francis56 wrote:
As I see it, this is good news for children and parents in Blackburn. The Tauheedul Girls School has been a positive, outward-looking organisation which has contributed much to community cohesion in the town. At the same time its pupils have achieved very high standards, and the school has helped other local schools like Blakewater to improve. If you believe, as I do, that education is the key to Blackburn's future prosperity then support this new venture.

99% of the people of Blackburn support this project. Who would not? Only those who do not want to see educational improvement and prosperity in the town.

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

editor1988 wrote:
http://www.tauheedul


education.com/leader


ship-about-us.html

Might be a silly question, but is this leadership programme only for Muslims & Asians?

Tom

I suggest you visit the link and look at the coaches and managers of this project. How many are Muslim?

Also, look at the list of schools where the development is delivered? How many are Muslim?

The programme is for all and I assume the majority of participants are white and non-Muslim as majority of schools are run by non Muslims.

editor1988 wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin


ce58 wrote:

Graham Hartley wrote:

Michael@ClitheroeSin




ce58 wrote:

i know alot wrote: Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

OK Let's discuss why do you think that is? Let's not bring any racism into this. Why do many people feel that Asians get a better deal than us locals that have lived here all our lives. I some times wonder if our governments have a hidden agenda to create this feeling. Some times I feel I am being forced out of my own country, no matter how hard I work & try I feel I'm the under dog, what is really going on? I don't hate anyone no matter what their faith or colour but I do feel some other under current is happening. but why?

from Michael ... 'Let's not bring any racism into this.'

Indeed, let us not; but some will try, if experience is a guide.

Let's hope not Graham, but I do feel we are all part of a bigger game plan, I feel the Arab spring was part of the plan, part two will be the Islamic spring. Some things been going on for years now but I could never just work out what.

I really don't think this is any more sinister than the fact that Tauheedul Girls' School is one of the top performing schools in the country, and the only secondary school in Blackburn that has been rated 'outstanding' in two consecutive OFSTED inspections.

Totally agree.

This is excellent news for Blackburn.

Tauheedul should take over the management of all primary schools in Blackburn. Just google St Stephens and you will understand why I say what I say. Good luck to Michael Gove for approving this. Well done Tauheedul.

Blackburn is proud of you.

The whole country is proud of Tauheedul's achievements.

How many secondary schools in Blackburn are outstanding? Why only Tauheedul Girls? Why not Pleckgate? Why not St Wilfrids? Why not St Bedes? And do not even mention Witton Park or Blakewater.

Tauheedul working at different on levels on interfaith matters. Look at the financial benefit the diocese will see through leasing st st Stephens to tauheedul.

If tauheedul was so against other faiths why would it opt to sign up
Lease.

Give tauheedul a chance - the proof will be in the pudding!

bmurtaja wrote:

Francis56 wrote:
As I see it, this is good news for children and parents in Blackburn. The Tauheedul Girls School has been a positive, outward-looking organisation which has contributed much to community cohesion in the town. At the same time its pupils have achieved very high standards, and the school has helped other local schools like Blakewater to improve. If you believe, as I do, that education is the key to Blackburn's future prosperity then support this new venture.

99% of the people of Blackburn support this project. Who would not? Only those who do not want to see educational improvement and prosperity in the town.

99%.

Are you sure of that?

I think you've made this up which therefore asks if you are telling porky pies.....

StephenDes wrote:
Multiculturalism does indeed pose very real challenges for any society, and only the most dewy-eyed liberal would maintain otherwise. There is a shared responsibility for all concerned that any debate should be based on reality rather than 'worse case scenarios' which dominate the thinking of some posters. To equate the opening of some schools, which have a proven track record of academic results, with the very worst excesses of islam in some countries, is risible in the extreme. This is akin to likening the current monarch with Henry VIII. The roots of cultural segregation lie, sadly, at the door of those who, under any circumstances, are unwilling to take people at face value, see the very real contribution some people from these communities are making, and most of all reflect on what their own contribution has been. If multiculturalism is per se a disaster, as some lunatics would have us believe, then how is it that one of the most multicultural cities on earth, London, is about to host what should be a wonderful and successful Olympic Games? To those same people, who doubt the loyalty of citizens from certain groups in our country, why is it that they are proud to train selflessly for years and wear the GB colours with pride, or play for a national team? I prefer to think and plan for best case scenarios and engage with people who have a vision for our country which brings the best out of young people, and doesn't **** them cruelly on the basis of their beliefs and what they 'might' do. We integrate with each other, 'they' don't simply have to integrate with 'us'.

But in this wonderful melting pot you talk of, how many GB Olympic athletes are Asian Muslim women?

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century!

I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Yet the 20th Century offenders rarely fought and slaughtered their own neighbours because they worshipped a different way.

For a religion that promotes peace, they sure do go about it in a funny way….

I am wondering why it's not feasible to ask if the mosques are contributing to the segregation of this town? Tauheedal school is connected to the mosque and it is the Islamic teachings of that branch of islam which is promoted within the school. Don’t forget that the school was pulled up in an inspection a number of years ago for not teaching a number of subjects which could be deemed as un-islamic.

We both know that ignorance of other cultures can generate mistrust yet if a child is educated from primary school to year 11 without sustained contact with the indigenous community, then it can be argued that they will be little communication thereafter.

Also, don’t forget that the Channel 4 documentary showed a number of mosques promoting negative aspects of western culture. Surely this isn’t paranoia if a few million people watched it on TV?

Finally. I can’t speak for all the people that have fled from areas with asian populations, but I’d say that the link between high unemployment, worsening schools (where ESOL is a factor), race crime, different cultures and the increase in poverty are contributing factors. The influx of penniless immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh has left it’s mark and you have to ask “would I live in a cess pit if I don’t have to”?

Not sure which planet you lived on in the 20th century, but I am sure Hitler was a Christian and not a Muslim - and very few people would be foolish enough to suggest that Christian faith was resoonsible for the murder of 6 million people who 'worshipped a different way' ... or would they Jack?!?

Also, your last comments have me totally confused. Are you in favour of segregation or against it?

By the way, LOL, Tauheedul Girls' School (the best performing secondary school by far in Blackburn) is actually located in one of the cess pits as you have defined them.

jack daniels wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

Francis56 wrote:
As I see it, this is good news for children and parents in Blackburn. The Tauheedul Girls School has been a positive, outward-looking organisation which has contributed much to community cohesion in the town. At the same time its pupils have achieved very high standards, and the school has helped other local schools like Blakewater to improve. If you believe, as I do, that education is the key to Blackburn's future prosperity then support this new venture.

99% of the people of Blackburn support this project. Who would not? Only those who do not want to see educational improvement and prosperity in the town.

99%.

Are you sure of that?

I think you've made this up which therefore asks if you are telling porky pies.....

Pot calling the kettle black Jack.

Islam and Muslims have and will continue to contribute to British way of life. In the world of George Bernard Shaw
“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.”

Tolerance in Britain is an illusion. The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to British culture, it's Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No.

So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down?

As far As English language is concerned, nobody is denying its value and focus should be on helping people learning English. Migrant community believes that an English language skill is key to ensuring equal access to services, opportunities and personal independence. The economic and social survival of bilingual Muslim community depends on English language but not at the cost of its mother tongue. It is a crime against humanity to deprive a community from its native tongue and cultural heritage. Muslim community is bilingual and does not believe in becoming monolingual Brits.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.

The British Government is planning to make it easier to schools to “opt out” from the Local Authorities. Muslim children in state schools feel isolated and confused about who they are. This can cause dissatisfaction and lead them into criminality, and the lack of a true understanding of Islam can ultimately make them more susceptible to the teachings of fundamentalists like Christians during the middle ages and Jews in recent times in Palestine. Fundamentalism is nothing to do with Islam and Muslim; you are either a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

I welcome the new Free School because it has the potential to become, like the Girls' High School, one of the very best in the country. This can only be good for Blackburn with Darwen. Tauheedul Girls' School has a Humanities Specialism with a major emphasis on Citizenship. The students work hard to raise money for local, national and international charities - a role model to us all. I am sure the Primary School will follow closely in the footsteps of the High school - promoting outstanding learning. Great schools in the Borough contribute to the well being of the community, socially and economically. I am sure there would be less fuss if the proposed free school was CE or RC.

Jenni

Despite reading through the comments above, has no one tried to mention the Mosque Teacher in the following news story. Hey, it's Moslems... it's what they do !

In response to Jack D's remark about how many Asian women are in the GB Olympic team, to be honest I don't know, but it probably isn't enough. The much more complex and serious issue relates to the educational under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups, which, if not addressed, leads to unemployment and serious social issues. And that's where Tauheedul and similar schools come in. More women athletes, great, but independent, employed, and confident women first. And whilst we're at it we can look at the number of working-class politicians in the cabinet...

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

Francis56 wrote:
As I see it, this is good news for children and parents in Blackburn. The Tauheedul Girls School has been a positive, outward-looking organisation which has contributed much to community cohesion in the town. At the same time its pupils have achieved very high standards, and the school has helped other local schools like Blakewater to improve. If you believe, as I do, that education is the key to Blackburn's future prosperity then support this new venture.

99% of the people of Blackburn support this project. Who would not? Only those who do not want to see educational improvement and prosperity in the town.

99%.

Are you sure of that?

I think you've made this up which therefore asks if you are telling porky pies.....

Pot calling the kettle black Jack.

Which doesn't answer my question....

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century!

I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Yet the 20th Century offenders rarely fought and slaughtered their own neighbours because they worshipped a different way.

For a religion that promotes peace, they sure do go about it in a funny way….

I am wondering why it's not feasible to ask if the mosques are contributing to the segregation of this town? Tauheedal school is connected to the mosque and it is the Islamic teachings of that branch of islam which is promoted within the school. Don’t forget that the school was pulled up in an inspection a number of years ago for not teaching a number of subjects which could be deemed as un-islamic.

We both know that ignorance of other cultures can generate mistrust yet if a child is educated from primary school to year 11 without sustained contact with the indigenous community, then it can be argued that they will be little communication thereafter.

Also, don’t forget that the Channel 4 documentary showed a number of mosques promoting negative aspects of western culture. Surely this isn’t paranoia if a few million people watched it on TV?

Finally. I can’t speak for all the people that have fled from areas with asian populations, but I’d say that the link between high unemployment, worsening schools (where ESOL is a factor), race crime, different cultures and the increase in poverty are contributing factors. The influx of penniless immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh has left it’s mark and you have to ask “would I live in a cess pit if I don’t have to”?

Not sure which planet you lived on in the 20th century, but I am sure Hitler was a Christian and not a Muslim - and very few people would be foolish enough to suggest that Christian faith was resoonsible for the murder of 6 million people who 'worshipped a different way' ... or would they Jack?!?

Also, your last comments have me totally confused. Are you in favour of segregation or against it?

By the way, LOL, Tauheedul Girls' School (the best performing secondary school by far in Blackburn) is actually located in one of the cess pits as you have defined them.

A good point. Well made, yettwo wrongs don't make a right and doesn't change the truth that todays world is being shaped by Islam, either at the end of an AK47, as we can see on our internet search or through wealth.

To end your confusion. I don't consider repatriation to be a real solution so we need to integrate.

Regardless of it being the best school in Blackburn- it is still in one of the poorest areas in the borough. Most high Asian areas are poor and this is partly because of the reasons I stated previously.

This therefore still makes my question valid.

StephenDes wrote:
In response to Jack D's remark about how many Asian women are in the GB Olympic team, to be honest I don't know, but it probably isn't enough. The much more complex and serious issue relates to the educational under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups, which, if not addressed, leads to unemployment and serious social issues. And that's where Tauheedul and similar schools come in. More women athletes, great, but independent, employed, and confident women first. And whilst we're at it we can look at the number of working-class politicians in the cabinet...

What? A Tory dominant cabinet? What a silly statement. Talk about changing the subject.

What would John Prescott say....

Answer me this if you can. If the Asian women need such a fantastic school, how come there are so many black athletes? It's well documented that black communities are as poor as Asian yet black athletes are dominant in sport.

Could it be because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population? Is it because they interact better?

Rated outstanding by OFSTED inspections and one of the top achieving school's in the country, may I wish the The Tauheedul and The Olive School every sucess in it's goal to achieve British values and it's aim to appeal to all faiths to continue achieving excellent results, and would compliment Mufti Hamid in his hard effort to continue maintaining the school's outstanding achievement.

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote:
In response to Jack D's remark about how many Asian women are in the GB Olympic team, to be honest I don't know, but it probably isn't enough. The much more complex and serious issue relates to the educational under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups, which, if not addressed, leads to unemployment and serious social issues. And that's where Tauheedul and similar schools come in. More women athletes, great, but independent, employed, and confident women first. And whilst we're at it we can look at the number of working-class politicians in the cabinet...

What? A Tory dominant cabinet? What a silly statement. Talk about changing the subject.

What would John Prescott say....

Answer me this if you can. If the Asian women need such a fantastic school, how come there are so many black athletes? It's well documented that black communities are as poor as Asian yet black athletes are dominant in sport.

Could it be because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population? Is it because they interact better?

You're trying very hard JD, but not working is it!

Ifti wrote:
Islam and Muslims have and will continue to contribute to British way of life. In the world of George Bernard Shaw “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.” Tolerance in Britain is an illusion. The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to British culture, it's Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No. So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? As far As English language is concerned, nobody is denying its value and focus should be on helping people learning English. Migrant community believes that an English language skill is key to ensuring equal access to services, opportunities and personal independence. The economic and social survival of bilingual Muslim community depends on English language but not at the cost of its mother tongue. It is a crime against humanity to deprive a community from its native tongue and cultural heritage. Muslim community is bilingual and does not believe in becoming monolingual Brits. Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted. The British Government is planning to make it easier to schools to “opt out” from the Local Authorities. Muslim children in state schools feel isolated and confused about who they are. This can cause dissatisfaction and lead them into criminality, and the lack of a true understanding of Islam can ultimately make them more susceptible to the teachings of fundamentalists like Christians during the middle ages and Jews in recent times in Palestine. Fundamentalism is nothing to do with Islam and Muslim; you are either a Muslim or a non-Muslim. There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands. None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

"The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes"

... especially if you lived in Taliban controlled Afghanistan as your daughter would denied access to schooling.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: In response to Jack D's remark about how many Asian women are in the GB Olympic team, to be honest I don't know, but it probably isn't enough. The much more complex and serious issue relates to the educational under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups, which, if not addressed, leads to unemployment and serious social issues. And that's where Tauheedul and similar schools come in. More women athletes, great, but independent, employed, and confident women first. And whilst we're at it we can look at the number of working-class politicians in the cabinet...

What? A Tory dominant cabinet? What a silly statement. Talk about changing the subject. What would John Prescott say.... Answer me this if you can. If the Asian women need such a fantastic school, how come there are so many black athletes? It's well documented that black communities are as poor as Asian yet black athletes are dominant in sport. Could it be because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population? Is it because they interact better?

You're trying very hard JD, but not working is it!

I don't think this website will change the world buddy, yet I can't just sit here and read all the spin and lies.

If one person reads my comments, and it makes them think; then I've done ok.

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders.

When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century!

I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Yet the 20th Century offenders rarely fought and slaughtered their own neighbours because they worshipped a different way.

For a religion that promotes peace, they sure do go about it in a funny way….

I am wondering why it's not feasible to ask if the mosques are contributing to the segregation of this town? Tauheedal school is connected to the mosque and it is the Islamic teachings of that branch of islam which is promoted within the school. Don’t forget that the school was pulled up in an inspection a number of years ago for not teaching a number of subjects which could be deemed as un-islamic.

We both know that ignorance of other cultures can generate mistrust yet if a child is educated from primary school to year 11 without sustained contact with the indigenous community, then it can be argued that they will be little communication thereafter.

Also, don’t forget that the Channel 4 documentary showed a number of mosques promoting negative aspects of western culture. Surely this isn’t paranoia if a few million people watched it on TV?

Finally. I can’t speak for all the people that have fled from areas with asian populations, but I’d say that the link between high unemployment, worsening schools (where ESOL is a factor), race crime, different cultures and the increase in poverty are contributing factors. The influx of penniless immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh has left it’s mark and you have to ask “would I live in a cess pit if I don’t have to”?

Not sure which planet you lived on in the 20th century, but I am sure Hitler was a Christian and not a Muslim - and very few people would be foolish enough to suggest that Christian faith was resoonsible for the murder of 6 million people who 'worshipped a different way' ... or would they Jack?!?

Also, your last comments have me totally confused. Are you in favour of segregation or against it?

By the way, LOL, Tauheedul Girls' School (the best performing secondary school by far in Blackburn) is actually located in one of the cess pits as you have defined them.

A good point. Well made, yettwo wrongs don't make a right and doesn't change the truth that todays world is being shaped by Islam, either at the end of an AK47, as we can see on our internet search or through wealth.

To end your confusion. I don't consider repatriation to be a real solution so we need to integrate.

Regardless of it being the best school in Blackburn- it is still in one of the poorest areas in the borough. Most high Asian areas are poor and this is partly because of the reasons I stated previously.

This therefore still makes my question valid.

Definition of Paranoia:

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "todays world is being shaped by Islam..at the end of an AK47). Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia.

Enough said I think.

Yes folks, these people are real. Be scared...be very scared. I'm outta here!

This was always going to be the consequence of the new government's policy of free schools. It was predicted (or warned about) before the last general election.

Up and down the country, the ability to set up a new state funded school without reference to anyone else but the government nationally has been overwhelmingly used by religious groups.

To be fair to Tories (whose policy was free schools) they made no secret that this was what they intended to do if they were elected. It was one of their flagship policies in the run up to the last election.

Mister Smith wrote:
How can one say that Asians get things for free.... Are we saying they are not paying taxes and contributing to the economy!!

There's good and bad in all. Take a snap shot of our own (white communities) you'll realise how many of them can't even help themselves never mind look for the best for their children!!!! It's too easy to blame the Asians for our pitiful situation!!!!

Actually they do exploit a loop hole which means they live here tax free. They are granted a tax free status on entry to the country and that is renewed if they leave the country for a certain length of time. My mother used to work in wages and my brother in banking. It's a fact. Not only that, they are all out to get things as cheaply as possible, you only have to go into certain shops at certain times of the day, namely when the prices are being reduced on fresh produce. I am constantly seeing abuse of local amenities enabling members of the Asian community to use certain facilities for free by means of subtifuge and deciept. Thanks to certain banks creating special accounts for them, they are also able to borrow money without paying interest on said monies. Most Asian areas have been refurbished at the expense of tax payers and most if not all Asians are quick to claim medications on the NHS regardless of their status. Waltzing into pharmasits with prescriptions for things like paracetemol which can be bought for pennies. So I'd say yes, they do their damndest to get everything for free as for your mythical Asians who cannot fend for themselves, all too often I have stood behind Asian people in the post office as they claim benefits in the hundreds and then ask for it to be sent abroad. Money that will never be paid back into the economy of this country, this is happening in every post office, every day, billions sent out of our economy each year. So they are doing their bit to bugger up our economy.

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Well you should hold onto that thought, because you and others like you stand to look very bl**dy stupid as your naivety will be proved. Why should it be any different here than in Pakistan? The Muslim tenet is to create a Muslim world. Do you know what happens to anyone who converts from Islam to Christianity in Pakistan? They are killed and all other religous groups are persicuted. But you wont see any of it, because you will still have your head up your a*se

So depressing to hear this simplistic and prejudiced rubbish. The new Free School will promote harmony and integration - something that the vast majority of people in Blackburn are committed to. Tauheedul has proved this already so let's move forward and support it for a hopeful future.

So depressing to hear this simplistic and prejudiced rubbish. The new Free School will promote harmony and integration - something that the vast majority of people in Blackburn are committed to. Tauheedul has proved this already so let's move forward and support it for a hopeful future.

timeforcommonsense wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote:
Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Well you should hold onto that thought, because you and others like you stand to look very bl**dy stupid as your naivety will be proved. Why should it be any different here than in Pakistan? The Muslim tenet is to create a Muslim world. Do you know what happens to anyone who converts from Islam to Christianity in Pakistan? They are killed and all other religous groups are persicuted. But you wont see any of it, because you will still have your head up your a*se

LOL ... I rest my case

Calm down tommy

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

TomTaylor1234 wrote:

timeforcommonsense wrote: Just one step closer to a Muslim state. Why can't people wake up, why do all the left wing idiots feel it necessary to sell this country out from under us. Pakistan used to be a secular country until Muslims gained power in the 70's, they then marginalised every other religion and stopped anyone non Muslim from having any power or influence. This country has gone from a Christian country to a supposed secular country and yet the Muslim influence continues to gather pace and build in number and strength. The frightening thing is that the pc thugs will welcome our first Muslim Prime minister yet that will be the beginning of the end as this country will very quickly become a Muslim state after that point. That will be within the next 15-20 years.

Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia

Time does go a bit OTT but his observation about Islamic intolerance is valid. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by Islamic governments, terrorists and religious leaders. When you look at the cultural and spiritual segregation in this town and how the mosques are supporting this with the creation of this school system, it can be argued that it's not so much paranoia, more about worse case scenario.

Jack. A quick look on the internet will show a long list of war, pain and oppression by most governments - sadly including our own. You won' need to look very far to find the worst offenders of the 20th century! I do agree that segregation is an issue in the town, and of course this is compounded by the fact that the indigenous communities have completely deserted many areas of the town; but to blame this on the mosques is hmm ... see earlier definition of paranioa, including: "Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia"

Yet the 20th Century offenders rarely fought and slaughtered their own neighbours because they worshipped a different way. For a religion that promotes peace, they sure do go about it in a funny way…. I am wondering why it's not feasible to ask if the mosques are contributing to the segregation of this town? Tauheedal school is connected to the mosque and it is the Islamic teachings of that branch of islam which is promoted within the school. Don’t forget that the school was pulled up in an inspection a number of years ago for not teaching a number of subjects which could be deemed as un-islamic. We both know that ignorance of other cultures can generate mistrust yet if a child is educated from primary school to year 11 without sustained contact with the indigenous community, then it can be argued that they will be little communication thereafter. Also, don’t forget that the Channel 4 documentary showed a number of mosques promoting negative aspects of western culture. Surely this isn’t paranoia if a few million people watched it on TV? Finally. I can’t speak for all the people that have fled from areas with asian populations, but I’d say that the link between high unemployment, worsening schools (where ESOL is a factor), race crime, different cultures and the increase in poverty are contributing factors. The influx of penniless immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh has left it’s mark and you have to ask “would I live in a cess pit if I don’t have to”?

Not sure which planet you lived on in the 20th century, but I am sure Hitler was a Christian and not a Muslim - and very few people would be foolish enough to suggest that Christian faith was resoonsible for the murder of 6 million people who 'worshipped a different way' ... or would they Jack?!? Also, your last comments have me totally confused. Are you in favour of segregation or against it? By the way, LOL, Tauheedul Girls' School (the best performing secondary school by far in Blackburn) is actually located in one of the cess pits as you have defined them.

A good point. Well made, yettwo wrongs don't make a right and doesn't change the truth that todays world is being shaped by Islam, either at the end of an AK47, as we can see on our internet search or through wealth. To end your confusion. I don't consider repatriation to be a real solution so we need to integrate. Regardless of it being the best school in Blackburn- it is still in one of the poorest areas in the borough. Most high Asian areas are poor and this is partly because of the reasons I stated previously. This therefore still makes my question valid.

Definition of Paranoia: Paranoia (adjective: paranoid ) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "todays world is being shaped by Islam..at the end of an AK47). Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. Enough said I think. Yes folks, these people are real. Be scared...be very scared. I'm outta here!

of course you are out of here. You can't debate without being insulting and because my comments are based on facts you just repeated the same old guff instead of answering my honest and open questions.

Having a different opinion is not paranoia.

I think I'll claim this as a win.

Francis56 wrote:
So depressing to hear this simplistic and prejudiced rubbish. The new Free School will promote harmony and integration - something that the vast majority of people in Blackburn are committed to. Tauheedul has proved this already so let's move forward and support it for a hopeful future.

"Free School will promote harmony and integration - something that the vast majority of people in Blackburn are committed to"

You think?

Would you take it to a vote?

What statistics are you using to back this up?

Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: In response to Jack D's remark about how many Asian women are in the GB Olympic team, to be honest I don't know, but it probably isn't enough. The much more complex and serious issue relates to the educational under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups, which, if not addressed, leads to unemployment and serious social issues. And that's where Tauheedul and similar schools come in. More women athletes, great, but independent, employed, and confident women first. And whilst we're at it we can look at the number of working-class politicians in the cabinet...

What? A Tory dominant cabinet? What a silly statement. Talk about changing the subject. What would John Prescott say.... Answer me this if you can. If the Asian women need such a fantastic school, how come there are so many black athletes? It's well documented that black communities are as poor as Asian yet black athletes are dominant in sport. Could it be because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population? Is it because they interact better?

You're trying very hard JD, but not working is it!

I don't think this website will change the world buddy, yet I can't just sit here and read all the spin and lies.

If one person reads my comments, and it makes them think; then I've done ok.

We don't have to travel far JD to witness deprived, black segregated housing estates and schools, and because a minority in East Lanc's, readers are unaware the abuse and hatred they receive is far worse than what asians experiance, and it's NOT the asians who are failing to intergrate with the blacks as seen in Manchester, Liverpool and other UK cities!!!

StephenDes wrote:
Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we.....

Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did.

What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in?

Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote:
Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we.....

Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did.

What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in?

Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities!

You're lacking thorough research JD

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example.

I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say?

Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example.

I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say?

Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please?

Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic!

I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community.

This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups.

If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film.

Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical.

We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities.

Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion.

This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community.

This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups.

If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film.

Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical.

We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities.

Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion.

This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion.

It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines.

We will just have to wait and see!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

Wow theres some S**** written here,
most of you want to open your eyes and look what is happening to this once great country.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not.
Those who believe as muslims, but do not follow all codes then they will certainly date and marry other communities. Haven't we witnessed that.
To intergrate doesn't mean to marry them. Living in peace and harmony with other communities different to yourself is. How else would you define and practice intergration and cohesion?

Steve4x4 wrote:
Wow theres some S**** written here,
most of you want to open your eyes and look what is happening to this once great country.

You mate are certainly not aware this country which you call 'great', has been fought to maintain it's identity by certain asian armies during WW2. These soldiers sacrificed their lives and families and for what. We never considered ever to reside in this country, but it was the understanding and reward we received, as a direct result we helped to maintained the identity 'Great', by The Indian Army.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not.
Those who believe as muslims, but do not follow all codes then they will certainly date and marry other communities. Haven't we witnessed that.
To intergrate doesn't mean to marry them. Living in peace and harmony with other communities different to yourself is. How else would you define and practice intergration and cohesion?

To be honest Sen c, I think this will always be the gist of it. From the post-war Italians in darwen to the poles and Irish of the Johnston street area; the blood has been thinned through love and marriage over the years. Most Lancashire folk have a bit of Irish in 'em and that's how it works. The three exceptions that spring to mind are the muslims, the Jews and travellers. Holding on to the past will continue to create division and tension.

The pros and cons of whether Tauheedal be allowed to open a free boys school / primary school can only justifiably be held in the context of all faith schools currently operating in this country. Anything else is just giving a racist agenda to the situation. Faith schools can be viewed as divisive, but in the main they do produce better results. Personally I am for faith schools for all religions if they are supported by the bodies who run those religions (which they are). I feel that the opportunity to raise and educate your child within your religion is a right that should be entrenched in a democratic country, which we supposedly have. There are local schools which provide for children who's parents don't want that and all faith schools have to accept a certain number of children from other / non religious families. If the make up of a neighbourhood changes, then the denomination of a school may change to reflect this (Sacred Heart is a prime example). It is all about choice, which everyone is entitled to. Yes, there are issues with Islam (or just some lunatic fanatics) which I have problems with. I have equally big issues with Christianity in general, despite calling myself a Catholic. Why should the majority of Muslim parents, who are law abiding and God-fearing british citizens do without the opportunity to educate their children within a religion they truly believe in, just because a) there are a group of lunatics running around claiming to be doing the work of Mohammed and b) people within Blackburn can't see past those idiots?
Essentially; ban one, ban them all. Can't see that happening somehow.

Following on from Ladysal's points, from what I have heard Tauheedul is a progressive and outward-looking organisation which genuinely wants to see a more harmonious Blackburn. Combine this with its record in achieving very high educational standards and the result of it opening a new Primary school is likely to be a 'win-win' for all communities in the town.

i know alot wrote:
Free School for mainly muslim boys and girls,...thats nothing new asians and muslims have always got everything free in this country.

Why do you assume asians/muslims get everything free? I'm muslim; have been working and paying tax since the age of 16 as has every member of my family. I can go as far as saying the street I live on, (predominantly muslim, as most whites moved away when asains moved in) also work and pay tax. Instead of spouting the stereo typical rubbish why not look into the good work this school has done with the the secondary site it opened? You'll find I don't class all whites as semi-nude drunks as portrayed on the media, so why do you think all asians/muslims get everything free?? I myself have worked long long hours to get myself where I am today; owner of three properties and holding down a full time job despite being a mother and it may come as a suprise to you that I also pay my way!!!

Stephiee wrote:
Following on from Ladysal's points, from what I have heard Tauheedul is a progressive and outward-looking organisation which genuinely wants to see a more harmonious Blackburn. Combine this with its record in achieving very high educational standards and the result of it opening a new Primary school is likely to be a 'win-win' for all communities in the town.

how can it be a progressive outlooking organisation when it's based on a 1000yr old faith that recommends they dress like women from1000yrs ago that lived in the middle east?

Your are just providing lip service without evidence as it will not be a win for all communities within the town.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not.
Those who believe as muslims, but do not follow all codes then they will certainly date and marry other communities. Haven't we witnessed that.
To intergrate doesn't mean to marry them. Living in peace and harmony with other communities different to yourself is. How else would you define and practice intergration and cohesion?

To be honest Sen c, I think this will always be the gist of it. From the post-war Italians in darwen to the poles and Irish of the Johnston street area; the blood has been thinned through love and marriage over the years. Most Lancashire folk have a bit of Irish in 'em and that's how it works. The three exceptions that spring to mind are the muslims, the Jews and travellers. Holding on to the past will continue to create division and tension.

I disagree with you JD. No they don't create divisions and we are discussing integration and living in harmony, which you are avoiding to answer as I see you're incapable.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not.
Those who believe as muslims, but do not follow all codes then they will certainly date and marry other communities. Haven't we witnessed that.
To intergrate doesn't mean to marry them. Living in peace and harmony with other communities different to yourself is. How else would you define and practice intergration and cohesion?

To be honest Sen c, I think this will always be the gist of it. From the post-war Italians in darwen to the poles and Irish of the Johnston street area; the blood has been thinned through love and marriage over the years. Most Lancashire folk have a bit of Irish in 'em and that's how it works. The three exceptions that spring to mind are the muslims, the Jews and travellers. Holding on to the past will continue to create division and tension.

I disagree with you JD. No they don't create divisions and we are discussing integration and living in harmony, which you are avoiding to answer as I see you're incapable.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Jack, the reason for the significantly higher numbers of Afro-Caribbean adults and young people engaged in sport, sometimes at a senior level, is well documented, both by the community themselves and by academics. Sad to say it is as a result of adults believing that young black people are 'naturally' better at sport, and less able academically. They are encouraged to be good at sport, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the early days of Caribbean immigration, many highly-qualified adults were unable to secure posts in line with their ability and qualifications, as a consequence of racism and prejudice. This also explains to a certain extent the lack of senior black managers in sport today, in spite of the high levels of participation. Were you aware of this Jack?

no I wasn't aware of this; but then we don't know everything do we..... Thank you for answering the question though. It's about time somebody did. What does it say about what adults think about the Asian community if they are neither 'encouraged to be good at sport' or 'developed academically'? Obviously it makes sense for the asian community to find a solution to the problem but do you think having hundreds of children seperated from the white peers (physically, spiritually and socially) a suitable solution? Would it not be better to adapt to the place you are in? Again, do you think that there are stronger links between black and white communities because they have similar social activities and interests as the white population?

More importantly and necessary issues than sport is the ability for asians to work with the white communities in careers and jobs, and not just recently, but since the first immigrants settled in the UK, and so why does it only have to be sport in your opinion that would create stronger links with the other communities? One has to visit any gymnasium and asians are evidently taking part in sport activities with the white communities! You're lacking thorough research JD

Who said sport? I used this as an example. I said 'social activities and interests'. Why are you not reading what i say? Don't fail me now, when you where doing so well........

Explain social activities in greater detail, please? Your post above mentions, despite a fantastic achieving muslim school, black women athletes were more active in sport than muslim women. Black people are naturally, better active and have a stronger physic! I was referring to this comment and what relevance is this to integration anyway, and to be honest you have failed!

I used sport as an example of the difference between Tauheedal’s student base (asian/muslim women) and other female immigrants. It was a valid point as there seem to be very few sports champions compared to the black community. This was used more in context with opportunity rather than ability; which has been my whole point as your chum Stephen was discussing under-achievement amongst ethnic-minority groups. If we compare this to a greater social scope we can discuss things like music and film. Now, I’ve heard of the Asian dub foundation and a chap called Jimmi Minstry or summat but compared to the number of African heritage media personalities, it’s astronomical. We also see a far greater mix of inter-racial marriages between the white and black communities. Opportunity…. Something that will not happen with faith based schools, especially those that follow a strict religion. This is my point Sen c, and it always was ( and it’s the easiest victory I’ve ever had! )

Well JD, what else do you expect from someone setting his hopes a little bit too forward.. You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion! However, there are no barriers for integration and living in harmony regardless of religion. It may well be the asian women participating in sport, just as educationally been successful, will one day dominate our headlines. We will just have to wait and see!

"You will not see inter-racial marriages from followers of a strict religion!"

does this mean I've got a valid point? Does this mean that the school can be contributing to segregation as much as it may be promoting it?

Come on Sen c; I've always been fair with you, even backed your agruments before now..

Lets play nice huh?

JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not.
Those who believe as muslims, but do not follow all codes then they will certainly date and marry other communities. Haven't we witnessed that.
To intergrate doesn't mean to marry them. Living in peace and harmony with other communities different to yourself is. How else would you define and practice intergration and cohesion?

To be honest Sen c, I think this will always be the gist of it. From the post-war Italians in darwen to the poles and Irish of the Johnston street area; the blood has been thinned through love and marriage over the years. Most Lancashire folk have a bit of Irish in 'em and that's how it works. The three exceptions that spring to mind are the muslims, the Jews and travellers. Holding on to the past will continue to create division and tension.

I disagree with you JD. No they don't create divisions and we are discussing integration and living in harmony, which you are avoiding to answer as I see you're incapable.

In the United Kingdom, there are many 'local authority maintained' (i.e. state funded) Catholic schools. These are theoretically open to pupils of all faiths or none, although if the school is over-subscribed priority will be given to Catholic children. How is that school different to Tauheedul Islam it's an Islamic school just like catholic school

You can only reason with ppl of understanding.

@ Sen C.

and I quote you -

"JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not."

So clearly we where talking about marriage as part of the whole picture of integration ( or lack of ) which means I am capable and you know I've got you cornered....

just like normal.

jack daniels wrote:
@ Sen C.

and I quote you -

"JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not."

So clearly we where talking about marriage as part of the whole picture of integration ( or lack of ) which means I am capable and you know I've got you cornered....

just like normal.

Typical, twisted mind in action

Accusing Jews, Muslims and travelers for not marrying outside their own and not integrating. That's your quote not mine.

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration and if so I want to see you holding hands with an afro-carribean that you call, wife!

You're capable and restricted only to spread dirt. It's in your blood, your life, and in your nature. Dirty scums like you don't worry me, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were Gibbuck's twin bro!!!

Proud to be Asian wrote:
In the United Kingdom, there are many 'local authority maintained' (i.e. state funded) Catholic schools. These are theoretically open to pupils of all faiths or none, although if the school is over-subscribed priority will be given to Catholic children. How is that school different to Tauheedul Islam it's an Islamic school just like catholic school

It isn't.

These idiotic posts are well aware and as normal they're burning. So let them burn and it won't be long before they'll turn into burnt out cinder!!!

Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote: @ Sen C. and I quote you - "JD, to those who abide to strict religious principles, marriage is one of them. We all know that and I thought you knew and no doubt strict Christians would do also. You don't expect them to marry out of their 'boundaries', regardless whether they muslims or not." So clearly we where talking about marriage as part of the whole picture of integration ( or lack of ) which means I am capable and you know I've got you cornered.... just like normal.

Typical, twisted mind in action Accusing Jews, Muslims and travelers for not marrying outside their own and not integrating. That's your quote not mine. Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration and if so I want to see you holding hands with an afro-carribean that you call, wife! You're capable and restricted only to spread dirt. It's in your blood, your life, and in your nature. Dirty scums like you don't worry me, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were Gibbuck's twin bro!!!

Now you are just being childish (calling people scum). I thought you where better that this, I've even said so today, but this.. this is just drivel.

Marriage is everything to do with intergration - it's the ultimate exceptence of another culture. Your answers are begining to show how racist and limited you are in looking at the bigger picture.

Mister Smith wrote:
Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men

Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote:
Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men

Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

Do you imagine that if it wasn't for church schools we'd have any education system at all in this country? Who was it that educated the population at large before the 1948 Education Act? Faith schools in the maintained sector do deliver better results than others. It seems that the partnership of schools, kids, their parents and an appreciation of Christian faith is a strong package. Children from faith schools take the same exams as those from non-faith schools. The grades from those going to faith schools are usually very high. It isn't all about God, you know?

Meanwhile the fact remains that a very high proportion of the scientific knowledge we have that actually delivers economic value - from Newtonian mechanics through Kelvin's thermodynamics and Maxwell's work in electricity and magnetism and Mendel's genetics - originated with Creationists. If more people believed what these men believed, we might be doing more and better science rather than turning out so many media studies graduates.

Faith schools offer both discipline and compassion along with excellent teaching. Actually, faith schools uphold good morals, and the morals of our society have gone downhill since we removed Christian influence from our schools. The point is that faith schools uphold good morals where, especially these days, non-faith schools don't. For most of society, anything goes. Just look at the number of pre-teens having sex. It is the secular atheistic society that has brought this about.

Are there any examples of Muslim schools accepting a majority of Christian students? Christians tend to reject Muslim education, Muslims don't tend to reject Christian education. That's because Muslims accept the Christian scriptures, whilst Christians don't accept the Muslim scriptures. A similar situation exists between Jews and Christians. It's not symmetrical.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: In the United Kingdom, there are many 'local authority maintained' (i.e. state funded) Catholic schools. These are theoretically open to pupils of all faiths or none, although if the school is over-subscribed priority will be given to Catholic children. How is that school different to Tauheedul Islam it's an Islamic school just like catholic school

It isn't. These idiotic posts are well aware and as normal they're burning. So let them burn and it won't be long before they'll turn into burnt out cinder!!!

unless you believe that there is no god, like over 50% of the country. Again.... two wrongs don't make a right.

Don't forget Tauheeldal was critised in an early inspection for their lack of teaching in art and science - two things that islam has particular beliefs in.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen.

I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here.

#akwardmoment

Ifti wrote:
Do you imagine that if it wasn't for church schools we'd have any education system at all in this country? Who was it that educated the population at large before the 1948 Education Act? Faith schools in the maintained sector do deliver better results than others. It seems that the partnership of schools, kids, their parents and an appreciation of Christian faith is a strong package. Children from faith schools take the same exams as those from non-faith schools. The grades from those going to faith schools are usually very high. It isn't all about God, you know? Meanwhile the fact remains that a very high proportion of the scientific knowledge we have that actually delivers economic value - from Newtonian mechanics through Kelvin's thermodynamics and Maxwell's work in electricity and magnetism and Mendel's genetics - originated with Creationists. If more people believed what these men believed, we might be doing more and better science rather than turning out so many media studies graduates. Faith schools offer both discipline and compassion along with excellent teaching. Actually, faith schools uphold good morals, and the morals of our society have gone downhill since we removed Christian influence from our schools. The point is that faith schools uphold good morals where, especially these days, non-faith schools don't. For most of society, anything goes. Just look at the number of pre-teens having sex. It is the secular atheistic society that has brought this about. Are there any examples of Muslim schools accepting a majority of Christian students? Christians tend to reject Muslim education, Muslims don't tend to reject Christian education. That's because Muslims accept the Christian scriptures, whilst Christians don't accept the Muslim scriptures. A similar situation exists between Jews and Christians. It's not symmetrical. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

I have to say I'm unhappy how you have put your flawed religion onto a pedestal as the moral high ground. Lets have a example of how islam can, and does, go wrong

Somalia

Since the outbreak of the Somali Civil War in 1991 there has been no central government control over most of the country's territory. The internationally recognized Transitional Federal Government controls only a small part of the country. Somalia has been characterized as a failed state and is one of the poorest and most violent states in the world.

Since 1991, no central government has controlled the entirety of the country, despite several attempts to establish a unified central government. The northwestern part of the country has been relatively stable under the self-declared, but unrecognized, sovereign state of Somaliland. The self-governing region of Puntland covers the northeast of the country. It declares itself to be autonomous, but not independent from Somalia. The Islamist Al-Shabaab controls a large part of the south of the country. Without a central government, Somalia's inhabitants subsequently reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, either civil, Islamic, or customary law.

So.... Even though Islam has had a great part of Somali society for more than 1400 years, (and nealy all Somalis are muslim) it is a failed state and is one of the poorest and most violent states in the world.

yet you claim that it is the absense of religion for our moral decline?

Islamophobia in the Classrooms

A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom.
In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported.

In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said:

“We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,”

What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article:

“Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported.

Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes.

Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said:

“This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.”

But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake.

Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said:

“It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,”

The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen.

I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here.

#akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!!
Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed.
To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: In the United Kingdom, there are many 'local authority maintained' (i.e. state funded) Catholic schools. These are theoretically open to pupils of all faiths or none, although if the school is over-subscribed priority will be given to Catholic children. How is that school different to Tauheedul Islam it's an Islamic school just like catholic school

It isn't. These idiotic posts are well aware and as normal they're burning. So let them burn and it won't be long before they'll turn into burnt out cinder!!!

unless you believe that there is no god, like over 50% of the country. Again.... two wrongs don't make a right.

Don't forget Tauheeldal was critised in an early inspection for their lack of teaching in art and science - two things that islam has particular beliefs in.

Yes because they never had the facilities to teach these subjects. If these are your concerns then I will put you at ease as Beardwood location has all the facility a good succesfull school could have.

The latest Ofsted report rated Tauheedul a outstanding high achieveing school, in it's prescent location, out classing other schools in the borough.

You're failing Jack!!!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

would this be the British army that was also fighting in Europe, Africa, the middle east, in all the oceans in the world, AND the little cess pit you still think of as home?

There was an indian woman who died this week who was part of the resistance against the british in WW2. I didn't mention it before because you got so upset. Now that you are STILL being childish, I have no choice but to remind you aof your and your heritage's failure.

Ifti wrote:
Islamophobia in the Classrooms A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom. In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported. In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: “We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,” What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article: “Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes. Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said: “This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.” But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake. Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: “It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,” The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

what you fail to state is that the information failed to say how many incidents where asian on white or asian on black.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: In the United Kingdom, there are many 'local authority maintained' (i.e. state funded) Catholic schools. These are theoretically open to pupils of all faiths or none, although if the school is over-subscribed priority will be given to Catholic children. How is that school different to Tauheedul Islam it's an Islamic school just like catholic school

It isn't. These idiotic posts are well aware and as normal they're burning. So let them burn and it won't be long before they'll turn into burnt out cinder!!!

unless you believe that there is no god, like over 50% of the country. Again.... two wrongs don't make a right. Don't forget Tauheeldal was critised in an early inspection for their lack of teaching in art and science - two things that islam has particular beliefs in.

Yes because they never had the facilities to teach these subjects. If these are your concerns then I will put you at ease as Beardwood location has all the facility a good succesfull school could have. The latest Ofsted report rated Tauheedul a outstanding high achieveing school, in it's prescent location, out classing other schools in the borough. You're failing Jack!!!

but what a coincidence that it was those two subjects - two that are not promoted by islam...

yes - know that it was rated outstanding high achieveing school in it's present location - but thats because it got it's hand slapped.

stop being so sensitive or is that sen c tiv?

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards'

although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards'

although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

jack daniels wrote:

Ifti wrote:
Islamophobia in the Classrooms A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom. In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported. In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: “We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,” What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article: “Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes. Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said: “This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.” But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake. Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: “It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,” The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

what you fail to state is that the information failed to say how many incidents where asian on white or asian on black.

Jack Daniels I have read your many comments on this article and I feel very sorry for you.... It seems like you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain. Well guess what they have as much right to call this their country as you do.

Do you know that more than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two World War conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action?

Do you know that 2.5million men and women who came over from India and Pakistan to do their bit in World War II, became the biggest volunteer force in history?

Did you know that from the 2.5million in WW2, 36,092 were killed, 64,354 were wounded and almost 80,000 were taken prisoner.

Did you know that from the 1million that took part in WW1, More than 47,000 died and 65,000 were wounded.

I hope you can see from these figures how much they have sacrificed to keep Britain British, and not Nazi, and that they have as much right to do what they want as what Christians and Jews have been doing for centuries in the UK.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating?

you're just a joke

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating?

you're just a joke

You use modern day asian culprits to jutify your claims, and yet just today LET reports that 61 year old english purvert molesting children. You don't see me bringing up these cases to back up any arguement. How many topics have you raised alone on this page, and how many answers have you understood, as I see you bringing up the very same issues with someone else on other pages. I seem to be reading and typing the same thing over and over again!

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating?

you're just a joke

Jack Daniels I have read your many comments on this article and I feel very sorry for you.... It seems like you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain. Well guess what they have as much right to call this their country as you do.

Do you know that more than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two World War conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action?

Do you know that 2.5million men and women who came over from India and Pakistan to do their bit in World War II, became the biggest volunteer force in history?

Did you know that from the 2.5million in WW2, 36,092 were killed, 64,354 were wounded and almost 80,000 were taken prisoner.

Did you know that from the 1million that took part in WW1, More than 47,000 died and 65,000 were wounded.

I hope you can see from these figures how much they have sacrificed to keep Britain British, and not Nazi, and that they have as much right to do what they want as what Christians and Jews have been doing for centuries in the UK.

Open_Mind wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Ifti wrote: Islamophobia in the Classrooms A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom. In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported. In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: “We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,” What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article: “Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes. Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said: “This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.” But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake. Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: “It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,” The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

what you fail to state is that the information failed to say how many incidents where asian on white or asian on black.

Jack Daniels I have read your many comments on this article and I feel very sorry for you.... It seems like you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain. Well guess what they have as much right to call this their country as you do. Do you know that more than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two World War conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action? Do you know that 2.5million men and women who came over from India and Pakistan to do their bit in World War II, became the biggest volunteer force in history? Did you know that from the 2.5million in WW2, 36,092 were killed, 64,354 were wounded and almost 80,000 were taken prisoner. Did you know that from the 1million that took part in WW1, More than 47,000 died and 65,000 were wounded. I hope you can see from these figures how much they have sacrificed to keep Britain British, and not Nazi, and that they have as much right to do what they want as what Christians and Jews have been doing for centuries in the UK.

Hi open mind, and welcome to Lancashire.

No, I didn't know that, but I've never said I know everything. Now you've have to excuse me as I've been busy over the last few days having to deal with the lies and spin from your muslim brothers.

Now I do recall stating that the Arabs are buying a lot of UK commodities but if you can actually quote where I said “you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain”, I would be most grateful

Also, it’s interesting when we get visitors from London coming up to comment? Is there any reason why you big boys are taking an interest in little old Blackburn?

jack daniels wrote:

Open_Mind wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Ifti wrote: Islamophobia in the Classrooms A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom. In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported. In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: “We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,” What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article: “Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes. Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said: “This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.” But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake. Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: “It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,” The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

what you fail to state is that the information failed to say how many incidents where asian on white or asian on black.

Jack Daniels I have read your many comments on this article and I feel very sorry for you.... It seems like you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain. Well guess what they have as much right to call this their country as you do. Do you know that more than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two World War conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action? Do you know that 2.5million men and women who came over from India and Pakistan to do their bit in World War II, became the biggest volunteer force in history? Did you know that from the 2.5million in WW2, 36,092 were killed, 64,354 were wounded and almost 80,000 were taken prisoner. Did you know that from the 1million that took part in WW1, More than 47,000 died and 65,000 were wounded. I hope you can see from these figures how much they have sacrificed to keep Britain British, and not Nazi, and that they have as much right to do what they want as what Christians and Jews have been doing for centuries in the UK.

Hi open mind, and welcome to Lancashire.

No, I didn't know that, but I've never said I know everything. Now you've have to excuse me as I've been busy over the last few days having to deal with the lies and spin from your muslim brothers.

Now I do recall stating that the Arabs are buying a lot of UK commodities but if you can actually quote where I said “you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain”, I would be most grateful

Also, it’s interesting when we get visitors from London coming up to comment? Is there any reason why you big boys are taking an interest in little old Blackburn?

Now why would you discuss arabs when we're discussing Pakistanis in the main, and I as an Indian soldier?

You're twisting again, mine you don't fall!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Open_Mind wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Ifti wrote: Islamophobia in the Classrooms A recent BBC report looking into racism in schools found nearly 88,000 racist incidents took place in UK schools over a four year period. However, the coalition government have removed the duty of schools to report all racist incidents. The report also showed a rise in Islamaphobia in the classroom. In 2007 the then Labour government said schools in England and Wales must monitor and report all racist incidents following the enquiry into the murder of Stephen Lawrence. But the present Conservative led government have removed this rule and subsequently fewer incident have been reported. In a BBC article Sarah Soyei from Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: “We are seeing a real increase in racism in some areas which is down to factors like a growth of Islamaphobia in society which is filtering into classrooms,” What’s more in many cases teachers would not be told of a racist incident due to the victim feeling intimidated and the fear of repercussions, as well as teachers not recognising racist bullying. Ms Soyei adds in the article: “Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. Recently launched TELL MAMA (MEASURING ANTI-MUSLIM ATTACKS) project, was set up to record reported crimes specific to the Muslim community enabling the project to support the victims of anti-Muslim incidents and hate crimes. Fiyaz Mughal (OBE) from Tell MAMA commenting on the report said: “This report by the BBC confirms what we are picking up in the TELL MAMA project that school environments are places where hate incidents can and do take place. Whilst the project has just been launched, we are picking up cases where Muslim women have been abused because they are identifiable as Muslims, either because they wear the Hijab or the Niqab and some of them fear going to schools to drop their children off. This is a situation where no parent should find themselves within.” But Unions and anti-racism charities believe the governments relaxed approach to the reporting of racist bullying is a big mistake. Christine Blower, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: “It is not just a box ticking exercise, we absolutely do need recording and reporting of all racist incidents,” The Department of Education believe it is teachers and parents who need to deal with racism in schools. But without recorded incidents it is quite easy to overlook the problem and subsequently make racist attacks easier to get away with. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

what you fail to state is that the information failed to say how many incidents where asian on white or asian on black.

Jack Daniels I have read your many comments on this article and I feel very sorry for you.... It seems like you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain. Well guess what they have as much right to call this their country as you do. Do you know that more than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two World War conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action? Do you know that 2.5million men and women who came over from India and Pakistan to do their bit in World War II, became the biggest volunteer force in history? Did you know that from the 2.5million in WW2, 36,092 were killed, 64,354 were wounded and almost 80,000 were taken prisoner. Did you know that from the 1million that took part in WW1, More than 47,000 died and 65,000 were wounded. I hope you can see from these figures how much they have sacrificed to keep Britain British, and not Nazi, and that they have as much right to do what they want as what Christians and Jews have been doing for centuries in the UK.

Hi open mind, and welcome to Lancashire. No, I didn't know that, but I've never said I know everything. Now you've have to excuse me as I've been busy over the last few days having to deal with the lies and spin from your muslim brothers. Now I do recall stating that the Arabs are buying a lot of UK commodities but if you can actually quote where I said “you think there is a big conspiracy that Muslims from India and Pakistan are here to take over "YOUR" Britain”, I would be most grateful Also, it’s interesting when we get visitors from London coming up to comment? Is there any reason why you big boys are taking an interest in little old Blackburn?

Now why would you discuss arabs when we're discussing Pakistanis in the main, and I as an Indian soldier? You're twisting again, mine you don't fall!

why are you answering this sen c tiv? it was a reply to open mind

are you so stupid that you're not even reading things now?

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating? you're just a joke

You use modern day asian culprits to jutify your claims, and yet just today LET reports that 61 year old english purvert molesting children. You don't see me bringing up these cases to back up any arguement. How many topics have you raised alone on this page, and how many answers have you understood, as I see you bringing up the very same issues with someone else on other pages. I seem to be reading and typing the same thing over and over again!

What, you think you do any better? You always make a statement yet you never back it up. Everything I state can be backed up with facts and figures.

You - do not; and because you don't, you get all twisty and childish.

Now read carefully sen c tiv because this is the important stuff. I don't think I'm better than anybody else and I don't impose my beliefs or way of life on anybody but my 4 kids. Unfortunatly you Muslims do impose on others. We even have the school of Islam wading into this comment list with its 'cut and paste' guff and we have you defending stuff because it's all that you know.

If you don't like reading the same stuff over and over again - don't quote me and I'll not quote you

simples..

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating? you're just a joke

You use modern day asian culprits to jutify your claims, and yet just today LET reports that 61 year old english purvert molesting children. You don't see me bringing up these cases to back up any arguement. How many topics have you raised alone on this page, and how many answers have you understood, as I see you bringing up the very same issues with someone else on other pages. I seem to be reading and typing the same thing over and over again!

What, you think you do any better? You always make a statement yet you never back it up. Everything I state can be backed up with facts and figures.

You - do not; and because you don't, you get all twisty and childish.

Now read carefully sen c tiv because this is the important stuff. I don't think I'm better than anybody else and I don't impose my beliefs or way of life on anybody but my 4 kids. Unfortunatly you Muslims do impose on others. We even have the school of Islam wading into this comment list with its 'cut and paste' guff and we have you defending stuff because it's all that you know.

If you don't like reading the same stuff over and over again - don't quote me and I'll not quote you

simples..

Facts and figures!

Now listen and pay attention. Who said I was a muslim. I said I was an Indian!

And what's this I hear about Mrs Daniels. Who on earth would want to live with you!!!

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Mister Smith wrote: Id like to see how white English would happily give their daughters hand in a Muslim persons hand!!!!

there are more white women marrying asians than asian women marrying white men Honor killings and peer pressure spring to mind....

Marriage has nothing at all to do with integration if restricted by religion. However we have all witnessed inter-racial marriages, haven't we not, but limited numbers. Are you then saying, that because limited in numbers the vast majority should not live in harmony and integrate neighbourly? Why is it the white communities believe in the principal ' you move in, we move out'? You whites don't mix with the afro-carribeans, you don't mix with the chinese, hence 'china-town', you don't mix with the Pakistanis, you don't mix with the Bangalis, you don't mix with the Indians, you don't mix with f****n anyone. In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay.

a good point. thank you. Obviously we can disregard the "In that case LEAVE this country, cos' we are here to stay" bit becasue, lets be honest, thats not going to happen. I think it's safe to say, based on your comments, that intergration can't work, that the white poulation don't like you, and the white population don't want you here. #akwardmoment

Regardless what the white population think of us, we'll carry on and we are also here to stay. I just wish when the British sissy army had their a55 bunged and requested help of the Indian Army, if we had known then what we know now, it would have been two fingers to you, and the result would have been swastikas hanging today in your local town halls!!! Not to worry I knew you were full of dirt and using a false screen integration issues, solely to devalue the asian community, But you've failed. To be honest it don't worry us, cos we not cowards!!!

'cos we not cowards' although there are a lot of attacks on white people where it's 5 against one or on pregant women....

Go away Jack, you not here for a debate. You're simply spreading hate and promoting segregation.

you think you are debating? you're just a joke

You use modern day asian culprits to jutify your claims, and yet just today LET reports that 61 year old english purvert molesting children. You don't see me bringing up these cases to back up any arguement. How many topics have you raised alone on this page, and how many answers have you understood, as I see you bringing up the very same issues with someone else on other pages. I seem to be reading and typing the same thing over and over again!

What, you think you do any better? You always make a statement yet you never back it up. Everything I state can be backed up with facts and figures.

You - do not; and because you don't, you get all twisty and childish.

Now read carefully sen c tiv because this is the important stuff. I don't think I'm better than anybody else and I don't impose my beliefs or way of life on anybody but my 4 kids. Unfortunatly you Muslims do impose on others. We even have the school of Islam wading into this comment list with its 'cut and paste' guff and we have you defending stuff because it's all that you know.

If you don't like reading the same stuff over and over again - don't quote me and I'll not quote you

simples..

You've not provided any facts or figures. You claim to be integrating with the afro-carribeans yet failing to show me where. You weren't even aware the British army suffered humiliating defeats during 2WW, and then admit to posts providing facts and figures that you were not aware!
You know I'll continue replying to your baseless comments, just don't bother replying back, because as normal you'll side tracke or again changed topics with baseless comments..

i never claimed to integrate with the afro-carribean community. I was well aware of the defeats by the Japanese in what we call WW2, yet this is nothing to having your country ruled over by the British Empire. (sorry, it slipped out)

Yes I shall continue to

"reply back, because as normal you'll side tracke or again changed topics with baseless comments"

but you have done far worse than me and deserve nothing better. Enjoy your time in the ghetto sen c tiv.

I will apply to send my kids there just to see if they let white kids in!

Tauheedul is still best in borough
Tauheedul Islam Girls’ High School again celebrated outstanding GCSE results, putting it as the highest achieving school in the borough.

Tauheedul, a Specialist Humanities College, moved into the maintained sector four years ago. In March, the school was rated as ‘Outstanding’ by Ofsted, the first secondary school in Blackburn to have such an award.

An amazing 98% of students achieved 5 or more GCSE at grades A* to C with English and Maths. The average points score per student was a staggering 493 points. Habibah Patel, who achieved 8A*s and 3As, said, ‘I am truly humbled by my results for which I am really grateful to my parents and my teachers. I am really proud of what my friends and I have achieved over the past year.’ Principal, (Mufti) Hamid Patel, said, ‘Our success is due to a strong faith ethos, high aspirations for all and a commitment to the success of all of our students, staff and parents.’ Ourstanding results were achieved by: Raeesa Lakha, 6A*s, 5A’s; Safiyah Mohmed 3A’s, 8A’s; Raeesa Natha, 7A*s, 4As; Faheema Mulla, 4A*s, 6As, 1C; Sadiyah H Patel, 6A*s, 3A’s, 2Bs Aysha Badat, 6 A*s, 3 A’s, 2 C’s; Nazneen Bharucha, 1 A*, 7A’s, 2B’s, 1C; Sobia Hussain, 3A*s, 5As, 3B’s;

The best school in the borough your children's can learn a lot from tauheedul Islam a lot I say

Proud to be Asian wrote:
Tauheedul is still best in borough Tauheedul Islam Girls’ High School again celebrated outstanding GCSE results, putting it as the highest achieving school in the borough. Tauheedul, a Specialist Humanities College, moved into the maintained sector four years ago. In March, the school was rated as ‘Outstanding’ by Ofsted, the first secondary school in Blackburn to have such an award. An amazing 98% of students achieved 5 or more GCSE at grades A* to C with English and Maths. The average points score per student was a staggering 493 points. Habibah Patel, who achieved 8A*s and 3As, said, ‘I am truly humbled by my results for which I am really grateful to my parents and my teachers. I am really proud of what my friends and I have achieved over the past year.’ Principal, (Mufti) Hamid Patel, said, ‘Our success is due to a strong faith ethos, high aspirations for all and a commitment to the success of all of our students, staff and parents.’ Ourstanding results were achieved by: Raeesa Lakha, 6A*s, 5A’s; Safiyah Mohmed 3A’s, 8A’s; Raeesa Natha, 7A*s, 4As; Faheema Mulla, 4A*s, 6As, 1C; Sadiyah H Patel, 6A*s, 3A’s, 2Bs Aysha Badat, 6 A*s, 3 A’s, 2 C’s; Nazneen Bharucha, 1 A*, 7A’s, 2B’s, 1C; Sobia Hussain, 3A*s, 5As, 3B’s; The best school in the borough your children's can learn a lot from tauheedul Islam a lot I say

Our success is due to a strong faith ethos, high aspirations for all and a commitment to the success of all of our students, staff and parents.’

...and the 16 pupils to a class, volunteer 'helpers', and additional funding from charitable donations (some maybe overseas).

Well done all the same.

Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

In March, the school was rated as ‘Outstanding’ by Ofsted, the first secondary school in Blackburn to have such an award

How many English school has had that award?????

Proud to be Asian wrote:
Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

How can I have 'students grades' if I'm not a school?

Did you mean my children?

Last year my son got 7 GCSE's A-C at witton in mixed sex/race class of 30 pupils, and did sports; socialising; watching live music; a bit of drinking (maybe drugs) ; a bit of snogging (maybe sex); and had a lot of fun.

Fun.... do you know what that is?

I would object over a christian school because religion and education should not mixed. Now you know the facts.


Just be careful about what you are posting because YOU sound like you are trying to say you are better than us; and that becomes racism....

Proud to be Asian wrote:
Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian.
Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

Active Citizen wrote:
I will apply to send my kids there just to see if they let white kids in!

Well in that case ensure you get the application form filled in pretty fast. Mad rush to get enrolled and we wouldn't want your kids left out and attending a under achieving scholl, would we!!!

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006

A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.

*snigger*

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006

A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.

*snigger*

...and why would you be so interested in checking male's genitals. What's so appealing to you!
Just in case you're wondering! I'm 6' 1''.
I'll let you guess the rest!!!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006 A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. *snigger*

...and why would you be so interested in checking male's genitals. What's so appealing to you! Just in case you're wondering! I'm 6' 1''. I'll let you guess the rest!!!

..... and why you being homophobic?

......and why are you being so defensive?

Unlike you; the fact don't lie.

The fact that tauheedul Islam is the best school In the borough coz Muslim school doing so well you can't take that's y you writing against looks like you hate hate Muslims thatlooks like racism to me

If tauheedul Islam is for asian/Muslims what is Christianity school about then for Christians and whites only looks like double standards to me

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006 A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. *snigger*

...and why would you be so interested in checking male's genitals. What's so appealing to you! Just in case you're wondering! I'm 6' 1''. I'll let you guess the rest!!!

..... and why you being homophobic?

......and why are you being so defensive?

Unlike you; the fact don't lie.

By the way. How tall are you, midget?

He He He.

Muslim schools Performance Table published in the Muslim News (March 30). I have not seen this published anywhere.We keep on reading in the other media that Muslim children and schools do not do well. But according to the GCSE Table published, Muslims schools achieve better than the national average, in English and Maths. We should be celebrating such achievements. We don’t hear this from our leaders at all. All credits to the teachers and head teachers in Muslim schools for helping Muslim pupils achieve good results. Panorama started with praise for most Muslim schools, showing Al-Furqan as an example of what most schools are doing right.

I feel the media machine has stereotyped Muslim schools as non-cohesive and extremist, the truth of the matter is they are no different to any other school; sorry, the only difference being that majority excel in academic achievement…is that a bad thing?

British society and British education system is the home of institutional racism. That is a fact. The solution is that each and every community should have their own state funded schools with their own teachers. Muslim children suffer more than others.They need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.

Muslim schools fight against open discrimination, extremist and agressive atheist and secularist ideas that are now infringing upon our fundamental human rights. A form of social engineering not disimilar to the failed idealogy of communism. LEAs are unable to reconcile diversity and inclusion. They are implementing policies that effectively create confusion, ambiguity and can be abused to prevent any new community service that promotes and celebrates diversity. Muslim schools are attempting to make a stand on behalf of all those who believe that we have the right to choose how to educate our children.

There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.

Demand for Islamic education in England is growing fast and schools – official and unofficial – are springing up to meet it. Now some local authorities are concerned that there is insufficient regulation. Although the number of Islamic schools is still small – around 168 at the latest count, just 12 of them state-funded – it is growing fast. About 60 of these schools have opened in the last 10 years; several in the last couple of months. And the demand from parents seems to be huge – one school in Birmingham recently attracted 1,500 applications for just 60 places. At least five Islamic schools have recently applied to be free schools, although so far only one has been approved. Islam promotes seeking knowledge as a form of worship, and things like "memorising the Quran" are rewardable. That makes memorising anything else look easy. Muslims live up to a certain strict code which parents enforce on their children, thereby making them adhere to their schoolwork more than their non-religious counterparts. Islam puts a massive emphasis on education and its essentially part of the religion itself since its Sunnah (following in the manners of the Prophet (pbuh)) but also a lot of the pupils will be from ethnic minority families and stereotypes aside it’s no secret that they encourage their children to excel in their exams and what not.

Muslim schools Performance Table published in the Muslim News (March 30). I have not seen this published anywhere.We keep on reading in the other media that Muslim children and schools do not do well. But according to the GCSE Table, Muslims schools achieve better than the national average, in English and Maths. We should be celebrating such achievements. We don’t hear this from our leaders at all. All credits to the teachers and head teachers in Muslim schools for helping Muslim pupils achieve good results.

Anti Islam propoganda in the Western media for the past 20 years, which accellerated after the 911, is having the opposite effect. Some educated people in the West mainly out of curiosity want to learn what Islam is about. When they approach their research with an open mind, probably most of them form positive impressions about Islam and some of whom rightfully convert. In the USA after the events of 911, convertions to Islam pheonominally increased maily in amongst the educated white community and a large majority of them were females.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

Very well said Iftikhar_Ahmad

Proud to be Asian wrote:
Very well said Iftikhar_Ahmad

is that a bit of poo on the end of your nose?

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006 A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. *snigger*

...and why would you be so interested in checking male's genitals. What's so appealing to you! Just in case you're wondering! I'm 6' 1''. I'll let you guess the rest!!!

..... and why you being homophobic? ......and why are you being so defensive? Unlike you; the fact don't lie.

By the way. How tall are you, midget? He He He.

Don't forget - I have tried to make peace...

But...

It's your wife I feel sorry for.....

There you are, naked, ready for a bit of 'hows your father'; your little john thomas barely visible with the lights down low.

and she'll be there wishing during the two minutes you last in bed, for something a bit more... something she can feel... something a bit more European

The facts don't lie....

regards,

'Big Boy' Jack Daniels

Iftikhar_Ahmad wrote:
Muslim schools Performance Table published in the Muslim News (March 30). I have not seen this published anywhere.We keep on reading in the other media that Muslim children and schools do not do well. But according to the GCSE Table published, Muslims schools achieve better than the national average, in English and Maths. We should be celebrating such achievements. We don’t hear this from our leaders at all. All credits to the teachers and head teachers in Muslim schools for helping Muslim pupils achieve good results. Panorama started with praise for most Muslim schools, showing Al-Furqan as an example of what most schools are doing right. I feel the media machine has stereotyped Muslim schools as non-cohesive and extremist, the truth of the matter is they are no different to any other school; sorry, the only difference being that majority excel in academic achievement…is that a bad thing? British society and British education system is the home of institutional racism. That is a fact. The solution is that each and every community should have their own state funded schools with their own teachers. Muslim children suffer more than others.They need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim schools fight against open discrimination, extremist and agressive atheist and secularist ideas that are now infringing upon our fundamental human rights. A form of social engineering not disimilar to the failed idealogy of communism. LEAs are unable to reconcile diversity and inclusion. They are implementing policies that effectively create confusion, ambiguity and can be abused to prevent any new community service that promotes and celebrates diversity. Muslim schools are attempting to make a stand on behalf of all those who believe that we have the right to choose how to educate our children. There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Demand for Islamic education in England is growing fast and schools – official and unofficial – are springing up to meet it. Now some local authorities are concerned that there is insufficient regulation. Although the number of Islamic schools is still small – around 168 at the latest count, just 12 of them state-funded – it is growing fast. About 60 of these schools have opened in the last 10 years; several in the last couple of months. And the demand from parents seems to be huge – one school in Birmingham recently attracted 1,500 applications for just 60 places. At least five Islamic schools have recently applied to be free schools, although so far only one has been approved. Islam promotes seeking knowledge as a form of worship, and things like "memorising the Quran" are rewardable. That makes memorising anything else look easy. Muslims live up to a certain strict code which parents enforce on their children, thereby making them adhere to their schoolwork more than their non-religious counterparts. Islam puts a massive emphasis on education and its essentially part of the religion itself since its Sunnah (following in the manners of the Prophet (pbuh)) but also a lot of the pupils will be from ethnic minority families and stereotypes aside it’s no secret that they encourage their children to excel in their exams and what not. Muslim schools Performance Table published in the Muslim News (March 30). I have not seen this published anywhere.We keep on reading in the other media that Muslim children and schools do not do well. But according to the GCSE Table, Muslims schools achieve better than the national average, in English and Maths. We should be celebrating such achievements. We don’t hear this from our leaders at all. All credits to the teachers and head teachers in Muslim schools for helping Muslim pupils achieve good results. Anti Islam propoganda in the Western media for the past 20 years, which accellerated after the 911, is having the opposite effect. Some educated people in the West mainly out of curiosity want to learn what Islam is about. When they approach their research with an open mind, probably most of them form positive impressions about Islam and some of whom rightfully convert. In the USA after the events of 911, convertions to Islam pheonominally increased maily in amongst the educated white community and a large majority of them were females. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

you london boys seem busy again. Did you spend anytime cheering on the saudi ladies like i suggested?

Did you read about all the hatred sent to the families of the women competing?

.. and that's from the spiritual home of Islam, with muslims hating muslims.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Proud to be Asian wrote: Has your students grades topped tauheedul Islam shcools gcse grades eeerrmmmm no they havnt if it was a Christian school you wouldn't be complaining would you?????

Hey, Proud to be Asian. Take no notice of this Jack Daniels. As usual he's full of bull, and now wishing he had hair on his thick scalp!

BBC website Friday, 8 December 2006 A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. *snigger*

...and why would you be so interested in checking male's genitals. What's so appealing to you! Just in case you're wondering! I'm 6' 1''. I'll let you guess the rest!!!

..... and why you being homophobic? ......and why are you being so defensive? Unlike you; the fact don't lie.

By the way. How tall are you, midget? He He He.

Don't forget - I have tried to make peace...

But...

It's your wife I feel sorry for.....

There you are, naked, ready for a bit of 'hows your father'; your little john thomas barely visible with the lights down low.

and she'll be there wishing during the two minutes you last in bed, for something a bit more... something she can feel... something a bit more European

The facts don't lie....

regards,

'Big Boy' Jack Daniels

My Jack Daniels is clearly visible even when it's snoozing and one of the reasons as why, my lovely oriental looking wife remains sincerely loyal, unlike yours who cannot experiance a fantasy with an old bored git, who's dangles are no larger then my little toe, and each night out she goes half dressed with boobs sticking out and skirt so short you could just about see her ~, to return once again having entertained several, you unable to question her whereabouts, stuck in your dump house sitting in your rocking chair, sad old ****.
I suppose it's normal for the British isn't it, each night!

you know sen c tiv, that was quite funny. You've put quite a smile on my face - which is more than can be said for your wife.

I love how you are manipulated into following my lead; how's that working out for you?

'like a puppet on a string'....

jack daniels wrote:
you know sen c tiv, that was quite funny. You've put quite a smile on my face - which is more than can be said for your wife.

I love how you are manipulated into following my lead; how's that working out for you?

'like a puppet on a string'....

Well in that case you're a dog on a lead.

Anyway, your post, re: royal mail was amusing. Was it yourself you were referring to?

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Media is silent. Why?!

Bcz they r just muslims!!!!

300 Masajid have been forced to close

Restriction on Tarawih and Quran Reading

20000 Muslims r Killed

Government is Silent,
United Nation is Silent,
Aalami Bradari is Silent,
OIC is Silent,

90,000 Muslims Accepted naqalmakani(kufr) in fear of getting killed

Till Now 4000 Muslim Families Burn Alive

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