Election watchdog to report on Pendle MP’s concerns over abuse of postal system (From Lancashire Telegraph)

At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

It's rife, but don't be surprised if, lo and behold, they find no problem.

It's like Labour saying now that immigration is a problem. Only today mind, for some reason up until last week Ed Milliband thought everything was OK, and you were a bigot for saying otherwise.

The Labour goons opened the floodgates for immigrants from eastern Europe. They did so because they estimated there would be around 8-13k that would come into the country a year. But of course there were millions who came, and, no offence to them, but we are now stuck with them.

Everyone else has to pick up the pieces from Labour's unbelievably bad mistakes. Society is a complete mess from their decisions. But we are supposed to believe them now?

Is multiculturalism working Ed Milliband? I'm intrigued to know his answer.

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

yeah right, I believe yer!!!

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

On the last three elections I have been on duty and I have seen bulk postal votes brought in by men in the Asian community. It is a safe bet that they were all for one candidate. Incidentally a couple of elections back, my colleagues also had a case of an Asian lady trying to vote twice. Once for herself and once for a family member. She was wearing a burka the second time. It was only the sharp eyes of my colleagues that stopped the scam.

Jack Herer wrote:

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

It's rife, but don't be surprised if, lo and behold, they find no problem.

It's like Labour saying now that immigration is a problem. Only today mind, for some reason up until last week Ed Milliband thought everything was OK, and you were a bigot for saying otherwise.

The Labour goons opened the floodgates for immigrants from eastern Europe. They did so because they estimated there would be around 8-13k that would come into the country a year. But of course there were millions who came, and, no offence to them, but we are now stuck with them.

Everyone else has to pick up the pieces from Labour's unbelievably bad mistakes. Society is a complete mess from their decisions. But we are supposed to believe them now?

Is multiculturalism working Ed Milliband? I'm intrigued to know his answer.

"Is multiculturalism working Ed Milliband? I'm intrigued to know his answer.”

I think you'll find, Jack, that multiculturalism is now acknowledged by all parties to have failed. Social Cohesion is now the 'in' thing. Keep up!

Jiggery-pokery has been going on in this area (and elsewhere) for years. The idea of 'one person one vote' does not apply in practice to all sections of the community. I get one vote, some individuals seem to get loads of 'em.

That is an example of the failure of multiculturalism. In a true democracy the same rules should apply to everyone and everyone should abide by them. That has not been happening round here for some time. I complained about it 12 years ago. Nothing happened.

We all know what the problem is but 'how could it be resolved' is the question?

For your information @HecticBigBoy you are a Liar because I own the Punjab Takeaway and I Never ever voted for anybody other than myself!

How dare you mention anybody let alone my family or I with proof.

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION PUNJAB TAKEAWAY WAS NOT EVEN TRAFING IN 2010.

Izanears wrote:

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

On the last three elections I have been on duty and I have seen bulk postal votes brought in by men in the Asian community. It is a safe bet that they were all for one candidate. Incidentally a couple of elections back, my colleagues also had a case of an Asian lady trying to vote twice. Once for herself and once for a family member. She was wearing a burka the second time. It was only the sharp eyes of my colleagues that stopped the scam.

Tell me in your opinion, the abuse of the postal system, how is it made practical?
Can ANYONE tell me.

Izanears wrote:

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

On the last three elections I have been on duty and I have seen bulk postal votes brought in by men in the Asian community. It is a safe bet that they were all for one candidate. Incidentally a couple of elections back, my colleagues also had a case of an Asian lady trying to vote twice. Once for herself and once for a family member. She was wearing a burka the second time. It was only the sharp eyes of my colleagues that stopped the scam.

Nobody stops them and let's them get away with it. They're arrested for fraud, and if you did you've got dirt on your hands!!!

StraightTalk123 wrote:
For your information @HecticBigBoy you are a Liar because I own the Punjab Takeaway and I Never ever voted for anybody other than myself!

How dare you mention anybody let alone my family or I with proof.

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION PUNJAB TAKEAWAY WAS NOT EVEN TRAFING IN 2010.

This is slander, take solicitors advice and sh4g the low life b4st4rd.

Lancylad wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

It's rife, but don't be surprised if, lo and behold, they find no problem.

It's like Labour saying now that immigration is a problem. Only today mind, for some reason up until last week Ed Milliband thought everything was OK, and you were a bigot for saying otherwise.

The Labour goons opened the floodgates for immigrants from eastern Europe. They did so because they estimated there would be around 8-13k that would come into the country a year. But of course there were millions who came, and, no offence to them, but we are now stuck with them.

Everyone else has to pick up the pieces from Labour's unbelievably bad mistakes. Society is a complete mess from their decisions. But we are supposed to believe them now?

Is multiculturalism working Ed Milliband? I'm intrigued to know his answer.

"Is multiculturalism working Ed Milliband? I'm intrigued to know his answer.”

I think you'll find, Jack, that multiculturalism is now acknowledged by all parties to have failed. Social Cohesion is now the 'in' thing. Keep up!

Jiggery-pokery has been going on in this area (and elsewhere) for years. The idea of 'one person one vote' does not apply in practice to all sections of the community. I get one vote, some individuals seem to get loads of 'em.

That is an example of the failure of multiculturalism. In a true democracy the same rules should apply to everyone and everyone should abide by them. That has not been happening round here for some time. I complained about it 12 years ago. Nothing happened.

Lancylad the article, abuse of the postal system, does NOT apply as you see it. Your description describes the polling station fraud and history has it, it is not just limited to the certain members of the asian community only!!!

Yet another example of why multiculturalism has failed and is a complete disaster which will all end in tears. Space does not allow me to go into all the rest.

Bring in millions of Third-Worlders and what do you get? A Third World country. No, various ethnic groups are not assimilating and integrating into `British' society (as was assured by our traitorous politicians to create a peaceful, rainbow-coloured Shangri-La) but setting up enclaves in large swathes and major cities of the UK as happened in the Balkans, etc. As voting corruption such as this increases in these areas to maintain this status quo, there will be no political way back.

The true British people were never asked if they wanted to be colonised but that is the agenda of all three major political parties and people keep voting them in! Milliband is lying - Labour did not get it wrong, it is exactly as they intended. Already the most densely populated EU country, we still get another 250,000 p.a. (and the rest) and rocketing birth rates - not by the native Brits.

I have yet to hear one decent argument to convince me that ANY of this has been beneficial to the UK.

Voting is a fraud in itself, it changes nothing.

StraightTalk123 wrote:
For your information @HecticBigBoy you are a Liar because I own the Punjab Takeaway and I Never ever voted for anybody other than myself!

How dare you mention anybody let alone my family or I with proof.

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION PUNJAB TAKEAWAY WAS NOT EVEN TRAFING IN 2010.

StraightTalk123, this is slander, libel, and the high court will rule judgement in your favour and not the magistrates court as libel cases are trialed in London High court only, and because it's been committed via web to a larger audience you'll be compensated for defamation, and if you're a businessman, which I suspect you are, your standing in the community as a respected citizen has been undermined. Go for it!!!

M Foster wrote:
Yet another example of why multiculturalism has failed and is a complete disaster which will all end in tears. Space does not allow me to go into all the rest.

Bring in millions of Third-Worlders and what do you get? A Third World country. No, various ethnic groups are not assimilating and integrating into `British' society (as was assured by our traitorous politicians to create a peaceful, rainbow-coloured Shangri-La) but setting up enclaves in large swathes and major cities of the UK as happened in the Balkans, etc. As voting corruption such as this increases in these areas to maintain this status quo, there will be no political way back.

The true British people were never asked if they wanted to be colonised but that is the agenda of all three major political parties and people keep voting them in! Milliband is lying - Labour did not get it wrong, it is exactly as they intended. Already the most densely populated EU country, we still get another 250,000 p.a. (and the rest) and rocketing birth rates - not by the native Brits.

I have yet to hear one decent argument to convince me that ANY of this has been beneficial to the UK.

Multiculturalism has absolutely nothing to do with postal fraud. In the 198o's polling station fraud was not committed by asians. So stop picking on them.

Your ferret stinks wrote:
We all know what the problem is but 'how could it be resolved' is the question?

No more postal vote. SIMPLE.

Your ferret stinks wrote:
We all know what the problem is but 'how could it be resolved' is the question?

No more postal vote. SIMPLE.

Following years of living in a Tory enclave in Reedley all of a sudden I now live in a Labour area following a dramatic swing to them. The Labour candidate didn't even bother to canvass but still got in in. Must have been his core vote.

Come off it, not so sen c bl. You site ONE exception? After a very quick look, I find this, amongst many other examples. Notice anything significant about the areas of London and people named?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/election
/article-1271457/Gen
eral-Election-2010-P
ostal-vote-fraud-ami
d-fears-bogus-voters
-swing-election.html


I do not pick on the Chinese, Japanese, Philippineos, or any other Asians - just stating facts.

Which is exacly what I have quoted, multiculturalism is working, hence you're not picking on most communities.

Deputy High Court Judge Richard Mawrey said in his landmark ruling in 2005, 'It's not confined to any particular racial group or even to inner city areas. It's a game anyone can and does play. It was wrong to imagine voting fraud was a problem for particular ethnic groups. The only solution was to scrap rules introduced in 2001 which allowed voters to request a postal voting form without giving a reason'.

There you have it pathetic individuals, go on arm yourself with your walking stick and go for a walk in the pouring rain.

Sen c bl, You may trust the words of a weasel judge anxious (or told) not to upset the natives with the truth but I don't. These people do not live in the real world. The same judge had also previously claimed that Birmingham was like a `banana republic' in voting terms. I have to ask why this was not the situation before the massive influx of immigrants?

So two of our local MP's are wrong in their accusations printed in this very paper recently? There is also much anecdotal evidence which cannot be dismissed.

http://www.lancashir
etelegraph.co.uk/new
s/pendle/9724284.Pen
dle_MP___Vote_fraud_
in_our_towns/?action
=complain&cid=104141
09

The only way to stop this abuse of our democratic system, from whatever quarter, is to stop postal votes completely even if it caused problems for a small minority, e.g, the ill, but that is a small price to pay. Of course, the ruling elite will never accept this.

P.S. I have been out in the rain but have no need for a walking stick just yet.

Your name's been forwarded for a knighthood, Sir Clown!

Dimwits, you bunch just haven't got a clue the principles behind postal vote fraud, have you. Polling station fraud which was rife in the 70's and 80's, and no MP or judge ruled, 'outlaw polling stations', did they! I ask Sir Clown, are the voters or the councillors liable for prosecution in a postal vote fraud? the answer's in the question!

P.S. mine you don't trip and fall flat, the pain will be unbearable. Better get your walking aid!

Sen C bl, M Foster (along with some others) was talking about postal voting fraud, and he pointed to its proliferation in the Asian sections of Britain.

This is a reasonable assessment to make.

If you believe that Deputy High Court Judge Richard Mawrey is not just another dripping wet apologist for the sociopolitical hegemony of the left, then I think it is yourself who needs the white walking stick for the blind.

Like all manner of other problems, the Judge follows the line of saying it is "not confined to any group" and that it is "a game that anyone can play".

Much like how 'officially' ( - in liberal-world - ) "grooming is not 'solely' a Pakistani Muslim problem" despite virtually all cases of that specific problem arising from that society, or how "crash for cash" is not 'solely' an Asian/immigrant fueled problem despite a similar ratio of disproportion, or how Asians are not 'solely' the drug suppliers of heroin etc in this country, or that the Asian communities are not 'solely' responsible for increases in birth defects and disabilities via marrying their own first cousins, or that they are not 'solely' behind the largest "chain immigration" process in this country over the past half-century....etc etc.

You have to be blind to believe that the liberal establishment will say anything different, despite all reality and evidence telling a different story to what comes out of their mealy mouths.

The Judge is just playing his part in massaging away the blame in case it "raises tensions" etc, just like all the others.

Of course, he is correct to say that it is not confined to any one group and that "anybody can play".

Yes, it can be found in wide-ranging and "diverse" community groups - such as the Pakistani community, the Bangladeshi community, the Afghani community, etc!

Therefore it is indeed, by definition, not pinpointed to any one group is it?!

Of course, to the indigenous society, they are pretty much all the same.

Besides, nobody said it WAS confined to one group and that they had exclusive rights over the abuse of the democratic process.

That was not what people were saying. Such a statement obfuscates the issue.

What people ARE saying is that most of the evidence points squarely to the Asian population in most, if not all, cases of massive postal voting fraud - especially in Labour areas.

It is indeed open for anybody to do it, but the Asian population are the ones who are mostly taking part in it, historically and primarily for the Labour party.

As M Foster says, import the third world and you will get a third world country. Vote rigging, vote fraud, voter intimidation, are all the hallmarks of places like Pakistan.

It is self-evident that if you implant the same population and societal structures here, you will eventually replicate such a society and such issues here.

Other major abuses of the democratic process are also carried out by more recent immigrant groups to this country, where over 1 in 5 people on the electoral registry in some areas have been found to be immigrants with no right to be here. .

The fact remains that when it comes to postal vote fraud and electoral fraud in general, it is Asian groups and various other immigrant groups who are by far the most prolific offenders, not the indigenous population.

When it comes to more distant history, the last time a contest for a Westminster seat was declared void because of malpractice was in 1923. And even at the local levels relatively few people have historically been found guilty of breaking electoral law in this country. Back in 1995 there were only 14 convictions for it, the most in any single year before that date.

That shows that massive election frauds were virtually non-existent in the past, before the advent of massive immigration in combination with changes to the system.

In contrast, even a cursory glance (that takes less than five minutes) gives M Foster a justifiable reason to highlight the prevalence of Asians in postal vote fraud.

Where fraud is most common—such as in Burnley, Oldham, Birmingham—and allegations most persistent, there are also large Asian populations, especially of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, among those convicted of electoral fraud.

Stuart Wilks-Heeg of Democratic Audit, a research group, pointed out that British Asians make up half of all those convicted since 2000 {despite being a fractional percentage of the general demographic!}.

He also pointed to “biraderi” brotherhood networks, which are used to rally support for particular candidates—a practice imported from Pakistan - and notes that convictions for electoral fraud may be undercounted because some cases are pursued under general fraud laws. .

Baroness Warsi, herself an Asian from Pakistan, told the New Statesman the alleged fraud in recent elections was "predominantly within the Asian community" and benefited Labour. .

Warsi refused to name the areas involved but an investigation by BBC's Newsnight found there are concerns about four constituencies.

Police in Halifax and Oldham are investigating and Conservatives in Leicester and Bradford West are also reviewing results for possible fraud. In Bradford, police launched 10 investigations after the election.

What do all these areas have in common? That's right, masses of Asians. I guess it is just a coincidence......

Recent elections have been marred by claims that the postal voting system has been exploited by grandees in the Asian community, who have pressure women and the young to back Labour candidates.

But it is not exclusive to Labour.

The Conservatives have done it too - again with Asians candidates and Asian areas! What a surprise!

In 2008, A Tory councillor, Eshaq Khan, was found guilty of using bogus postal votes to ensure he was voted into office in Slough. A special election High Court, in Slough, convicted Khan and his agents of corrupt and illegal practices related to applications for registering to vote and postal voting. .

In Bradford, ANOTHER Asian by the name of Khan for the Conservatives was at it.

Five men, including two ex-councillors, were jailed over a failed postal vote scam in the 2005 general election.

A judge heard the men plotted to get Conservative candidate Haroon Rashid elected in the Bradford West seat using fraudulent postal vote applications.

Former Bradford city councillor Jamshed Khan, 65, of Russell Street, Bradford; another former councillor Reis Khan, 40, of Whetley Hill, Bradford; Mohammed Sultan, 52, of Toller Lane, Bradford and Mohammed Rafiq, 70, of Cecil Avenue, Bradford, were convicted of the offence.

Sorry, I cannot see any indigenous names there either!

In fact, there seems to be a bit of a pattern building! Pakistani, Indian, who knows? But not many English names that is for sure.

In fact, a leading Asian city councillor has insisted that the "disgusting" caste system of the Indian sub-continent is threatening to destroy the credibility of local and national elections in Birmingham.

In 2008, Tariq Khan, deputy leader of the council Liberal Democrat group, said "gangster politics" and intimidatory tactics arising from the 'biraderi' clan system were being used to force people, particularly women, to vote against their will in the way dictated by their wider families.

He accused Labour of exploiting the caste system in council elections by arranging for supporters to stand at entrances to polling stations in order to put pressure on Asians to vote for the party.

His remarks followed a major report published by the {leftwing} Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust which warned election fraud driven by immigrants practising "village politics" of the Indian sub-continent could be a crucial factor in deciding the future control of Birmingham City Council.

The study, which said numerous convictions for electoral fraud resulted from incidents in inner-city wards where a large concentration of voters originate from the Indian sub-continent, added: "Significantly, these convictions have emerged alongside anecdotal evidence of more widespread, and long-run, practices associated with Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi traditions of biraderi (brotherhood) clans influencing voting behaviour.

"It is widely suggested that extended family and kinship networks, frequently with their origins in settlement patterns in Pakistan and Bangladesh, are mobilised to secure the support of up to several hundred electors, effectively constituting a block vote."

Even the judge you cite, who commented on Britain's electoral system being enough to shame a Banana Republic, was overseeing voting fraud by Asians!

This was after three Labour councillors in Birmingham were caught operating a "vote-rigging factory".

The special Election Court, the first in living memory to hear allegations of vote-rigging, opened in Birmingham to try to deal with this new problem that has been imported to our shores.

The case against Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam and Mohammed Kazi was brought by local Liberal Democrat supporters.

And on, and on it goes, for anyone who is prepared to look at the trends.

M.Foster has clearly been having a look, seems pretty well-informed on the news and has justifiably come to the suspicion and fair assessment that it is RIFE in the Asian communities right across this country.

The only "Sir Clown" seems to be yourself, who seems to jump on M Foster's justified assertions with your own clown shoes on.



http://www.express.c
o.uk/posts/view/3178
27/Illegal-immigrant
s-in-voting-scam

http://www.economist
.com/node/16076117?s
tory_id=16076117

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-11
441382

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1316742/Voter-fraud-
Electorates-centre-c
laims-Baroness-Warsi
-revealed.html

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk_politics/7
303606.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-bra
dford-west-yorkshire
-11204720

http://www.birmingha
mpost.net/news/polit
ics-news/2008/05/08/
caste-system-destroy
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r-65233-20877633/

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/west_
midlands/4310965.stm


I have provided evidence that shows M Foster has grounds to make his claims, and that they are not ill-informed or otherwise made up without any basis.

What have you provided, aside from a glib and uniform "nothing to see here" whitewashing statement from the political establishment and a clever-clogs attitude?

Nothing. You're obviously just another blow-hard.

M Foster argues that postal voting should be scrapped. I agree with that too. The one exception I would perhaps make is for the registered severely disabled for which getting to a polling station is physically impossible. Proof would have to be obtained.

This is something upon which we all seem to agree.

NelsonPatriot wrote:
Sen C bl, M Foster (along with some others) was talking about postal voting fraud, and he pointed to its proliferation in the Asian sections of Britain.

This is a reasonable assessment to make.

If you believe that Deputy High Court Judge Richard Mawrey is not just another dripping wet apologist for the sociopolitical hegemony of the left, then I think it is yourself who needs the white walking stick for the blind.

Like all manner of other problems, the Judge follows the line of saying it is "not confined to any group" and that it is "a game that anyone can play".

Much like how 'officially' ( - in liberal-world - ) "grooming is not 'solely' a Pakistani Muslim problem" despite virtually all cases of that specific problem arising from that society, or how "crash for cash" is not 'solely' an Asian/immigrant fueled problem despite a similar ratio of disproportion, or how Asians are not 'solely' the drug suppliers of heroin etc in this country, or that the Asian communities are not 'solely' responsible for increases in birth defects and disabilities via marrying their own first cousins, or that they are not 'solely' behind the largest "chain immigration" process in this country over the past half-century....etc etc.

You have to be blind to believe that the liberal establishment will say anything different, despite all reality and evidence telling a different story to what comes out of their mealy mouths.

The Judge is just playing his part in massaging away the blame in case it "raises tensions" etc, just like all the others.

Of course, he is correct to say that it is not confined to any one group and that "anybody can play".

Yes, it can be found in wide-ranging and "diverse" community groups - such as the Pakistani community, the Bangladeshi community, the Afghani community, etc!

Therefore it is indeed, by definition, not pinpointed to any one group is it?!

Of course, to the indigenous society, they are pretty much all the same.

Besides, nobody said it WAS confined to one group and that they had exclusive rights over the abuse of the democratic process.

That was not what people were saying. Such a statement obfuscates the issue.

What people ARE saying is that most of the evidence points squarely to the Asian population in most, if not all, cases of massive postal voting fraud - especially in Labour areas.

It is indeed open for anybody to do it, but the Asian population are the ones who are mostly taking part in it, historically and primarily for the Labour party.

As M Foster says, import the third world and you will get a third world country. Vote rigging, vote fraud, voter intimidation, are all the hallmarks of places like Pakistan.

It is self-evident that if you implant the same population and societal structures here, you will eventually replicate such a society and such issues here.

Other major abuses of the democratic process are also carried out by more recent immigrant groups to this country, where over 1 in 5 people on the electoral registry in some areas have been found to be immigrants with no right to be here. .

The fact remains that when it comes to postal vote fraud and electoral fraud in general, it is Asian groups and various other immigrant groups who are by far the most prolific offenders, not the indigenous population.

When it comes to more distant history, the last time a contest for a Westminster seat was declared void because of malpractice was in 1923. And even at the local levels relatively few people have historically been found guilty of breaking electoral law in this country. Back in 1995 there were only 14 convictions for it, the most in any single year before that date.

That shows that massive election frauds were virtually non-existent in the past, before the advent of massive immigration in combination with changes to the system.

In contrast, even a cursory glance (that takes less than five minutes) gives M Foster a justifiable reason to highlight the prevalence of Asians in postal vote fraud.

Where fraud is most common—such as in Burnley, Oldham, Birmingham—and allegations most persistent, there are also large Asian populations, especially of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, among those convicted of electoral fraud.

Stuart Wilks-Heeg of Democratic Audit, a research group, pointed out that British Asians make up half of all those convicted since 2000 {despite being a fractional percentage of the general demographic!}.

He also pointed to “biraderi” brotherhood networks, which are used to rally support for particular candidates—a practice imported from Pakistan - and notes that convictions for electoral fraud may be undercounted because some cases are pursued under general fraud laws. .

Baroness Warsi, herself an Asian from Pakistan, told the New Statesman the alleged fraud in recent elections was "predominantly within the Asian community" and benefited Labour. .

Warsi refused to name the areas involved but an investigation by BBC's Newsnight found there are concerns about four constituencies.

Police in Halifax and Oldham are investigating and Conservatives in Leicester and Bradford West are also reviewing results for possible fraud. In Bradford, police launched 10 investigations after the election.

What do all these areas have in common? That's right, masses of Asians. I guess it is just a coincidence......

Recent elections have been marred by claims that the postal voting system has been exploited by grandees in the Asian community, who have pressure women and the young to back Labour candidates.

But it is not exclusive to Labour.

The Conservatives have done it too - again with Asians candidates and Asian areas! What a surprise!

In 2008, A Tory councillor, Eshaq Khan, was found guilty of using bogus postal votes to ensure he was voted into office in Slough. A special election High Court, in Slough, convicted Khan and his agents of corrupt and illegal practices related to applications for registering to vote and postal voting. .

In Bradford, ANOTHER Asian by the name of Khan for the Conservatives was at it.

Five men, including two ex-councillors, were jailed over a failed postal vote scam in the 2005 general election.

A judge heard the men plotted to get Conservative candidate Haroon Rashid elected in the Bradford West seat using fraudulent postal vote applications.

Former Bradford city councillor Jamshed Khan, 65, of Russell Street, Bradford; another former councillor Reis Khan, 40, of Whetley Hill, Bradford; Mohammed Sultan, 52, of Toller Lane, Bradford and Mohammed Rafiq, 70, of Cecil Avenue, Bradford, were convicted of the offence.

Sorry, I cannot see any indigenous names there either!

In fact, there seems to be a bit of a pattern building! Pakistani, Indian, who knows? But not many English names that is for sure.

In fact, a leading Asian city councillor has insisted that the "disgusting" caste system of the Indian sub-continent is threatening to destroy the credibility of local and national elections in Birmingham.

In 2008, Tariq Khan, deputy leader of the council Liberal Democrat group, said "gangster politics" and intimidatory tactics arising from the 'biraderi' clan system were being used to force people, particularly women, to vote against their will in the way dictated by their wider families.

He accused Labour of exploiting the caste system in council elections by arranging for supporters to stand at entrances to polling stations in order to put pressure on Asians to vote for the party.

His remarks followed a major report published by the {leftwing} Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust which warned election fraud driven by immigrants practising "village politics" of the Indian sub-continent could be a crucial factor in deciding the future control of Birmingham City Council.

The study, which said numerous convictions for electoral fraud resulted from incidents in inner-city wards where a large concentration of voters originate from the Indian sub-continent, added: "Significantly, these convictions have emerged alongside anecdotal evidence of more widespread, and long-run, practices associated with Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi traditions of biraderi (brotherhood) clans influencing voting behaviour.

"It is widely suggested that extended family and kinship networks, frequently with their origins in settlement patterns in Pakistan and Bangladesh, are mobilised to secure the support of up to several hundred electors, effectively constituting a block vote."

Even the judge you cite, who commented on Britain's electoral system being enough to shame a Banana Republic, was overseeing voting fraud by Asians!

This was after three Labour councillors in Birmingham were caught operating a "vote-rigging factory".

The special Election Court, the first in living memory to hear allegations of vote-rigging, opened in Birmingham to try to deal with this new problem that has been imported to our shores.

The case against Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam and Mohammed Kazi was brought by local Liberal Democrat supporters.

And on, and on it goes, for anyone who is prepared to look at the trends.

M.Foster has clearly been having a look, seems pretty well-informed on the news and has justifiably come to the suspicion and fair assessment that it is RIFE in the Asian communities right across this country.

The only "Sir Clown" seems to be yourself, who seems to jump on M Foster's justified assertions with your own clown shoes on.



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I have provided evidence that shows M Foster has grounds to make his claims, and that they are not ill-informed or otherwise made up without any basis.

What have you provided, aside from a glib and uniform "nothing to see here" whitewashing statement from the political establishment and a clever-clogs attitude?

Nothing. You're obviously just another blow-hard.

M Foster argues that postal voting should be scrapped. I agree with that too. The one exception I would perhaps make is for the registered severely disabled for which getting to a polling station is physically impossible. Proof would have to be obtained.

This is something upon which we all seem to agree.

The length you have gone to provide your understanding of postal vote fraud is nothing more than what M Foster understands. You agree with the idea of scrapping the postal vote system, and yet my comments points to just that, as countless readers are unaware the principles behind the postal vote fraud, and I suspect you are also. Political corruption is rife in Pakistan, however postal voting is not classed in the same category. One person one vote, asians one person hundred votes, is the muddled up pea brain thinker M Foster!
With what M Foster quotes is correct, his belief muticuluralism isn't functioning is not, and admits certain communities are integrating, Chinese, Japanese, Philipineos etc. I fail to see where and how you've integrated with the mentioned commnunities, confirm to me one city or town.

NelsonPatriot wrote:
Sen C bl, M Foster (along with some others) was talking about postal voting fraud, and he pointed to its proliferation in the Asian sections of Britain.

This is a reasonable assessment to make.

If you believe that Deputy High Court Judge Richard Mawrey is not just another dripping wet apologist for the sociopolitical hegemony of the left, then I think it is yourself who needs the white walking stick for the blind.

Like all manner of other problems, the Judge follows the line of saying it is "not confined to any group" and that it is "a game that anyone can play".

Much like how 'officially' ( - in liberal-world - ) "grooming is not 'solely' a Pakistani Muslim problem" despite virtually all cases of that specific problem arising from that society, or how "crash for cash" is not 'solely' an Asian/immigrant fueled problem despite a similar ratio of disproportion, or how Asians are not 'solely' the drug suppliers of heroin etc in this country, or that the Asian communities are not 'solely' responsible for increases in birth defects and disabilities via marrying their own first cousins, or that they are not 'solely' behind the largest "chain immigration" process in this country over the past half-century....etc etc.

You have to be blind to believe that the liberal establishment will say anything different, despite all reality and evidence telling a different story to what comes out of their mealy mouths.

The Judge is just playing his part in massaging away the blame in case it "raises tensions" etc, just like all the others.

Of course, he is correct to say that it is not confined to any one group and that "anybody can play".

Yes, it can be found in wide-ranging and "diverse" community groups - such as the Pakistani community, the Bangladeshi community, the Afghani community, etc!

Therefore it is indeed, by definition, not pinpointed to any one group is it?!

Of course, to the indigenous society, they are pretty much all the same.

Besides, nobody said it WAS confined to one group and that they had exclusive rights over the abuse of the democratic process.

That was not what people were saying. Such a statement obfuscates the issue.

What people ARE saying is that most of the evidence points squarely to the Asian population in most, if not all, cases of massive postal voting fraud - especially in Labour areas.

It is indeed open for anybody to do it, but the Asian population are the ones who are mostly taking part in it, historically and primarily for the Labour party.

As M Foster says, import the third world and you will get a third world country. Vote rigging, vote fraud, voter intimidation, are all the hallmarks of places like Pakistan.

It is self-evident that if you implant the same population and societal structures here, you will eventually replicate such a society and such issues here.

Other major abuses of the democratic process are also carried out by more recent immigrant groups to this country, where over 1 in 5 people on the electoral registry in some areas have been found to be immigrants with no right to be here. .

The fact remains that when it comes to postal vote fraud and electoral fraud in general, it is Asian groups and various other immigrant groups who are by far the most prolific offenders, not the indigenous population.

When it comes to more distant history, the last time a contest for a Westminster seat was declared void because of malpractice was in 1923. And even at the local levels relatively few people have historically been found guilty of breaking electoral law in this country. Back in 1995 there were only 14 convictions for it, the most in any single year before that date.

That shows that massive election frauds were virtually non-existent in the past, before the advent of massive immigration in combination with changes to the system.

In contrast, even a cursory glance (that takes less than five minutes) gives M Foster a justifiable reason to highlight the prevalence of Asians in postal vote fraud.

Where fraud is most common—such as in Burnley, Oldham, Birmingham—and allegations most persistent, there are also large Asian populations, especially of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, among those convicted of electoral fraud.

Stuart Wilks-Heeg of Democratic Audit, a research group, pointed out that British Asians make up half of all those convicted since 2000 {despite being a fractional percentage of the general demographic!}.

He also pointed to “biraderi” brotherhood networks, which are used to rally support for particular candidates—a practice imported from Pakistan - and notes that convictions for electoral fraud may be undercounted because some cases are pursued under general fraud laws. .

Baroness Warsi, herself an Asian from Pakistan, told the New Statesman the alleged fraud in recent elections was "predominantly within the Asian community" and benefited Labour. .

Warsi refused to name the areas involved but an investigation by BBC's Newsnight found there are concerns about four constituencies.

Police in Halifax and Oldham are investigating and Conservatives in Leicester and Bradford West are also reviewing results for possible fraud. In Bradford, police launched 10 investigations after the election.

What do all these areas have in common? That's right, masses of Asians. I guess it is just a coincidence......

Recent elections have been marred by claims that the postal voting system has been exploited by grandees in the Asian community, who have pressure women and the young to back Labour candidates.

But it is not exclusive to Labour.

The Conservatives have done it too - again with Asians candidates and Asian areas! What a surprise!

In 2008, A Tory councillor, Eshaq Khan, was found guilty of using bogus postal votes to ensure he was voted into office in Slough. A special election High Court, in Slough, convicted Khan and his agents of corrupt and illegal practices related to applications for registering to vote and postal voting. .

In Bradford, ANOTHER Asian by the name of Khan for the Conservatives was at it.

Five men, including two ex-councillors, were jailed over a failed postal vote scam in the 2005 general election.

A judge heard the men plotted to get Conservative candidate Haroon Rashid elected in the Bradford West seat using fraudulent postal vote applications.

Former Bradford city councillor Jamshed Khan, 65, of Russell Street, Bradford; another former councillor Reis Khan, 40, of Whetley Hill, Bradford; Mohammed Sultan, 52, of Toller Lane, Bradford and Mohammed Rafiq, 70, of Cecil Avenue, Bradford, were convicted of the offence.

Sorry, I cannot see any indigenous names there either!

In fact, there seems to be a bit of a pattern building! Pakistani, Indian, who knows? But not many English names that is for sure.

In fact, a leading Asian city councillor has insisted that the "disgusting" caste system of the Indian sub-continent is threatening to destroy the credibility of local and national elections in Birmingham.

In 2008, Tariq Khan, deputy leader of the council Liberal Democrat group, said "gangster politics" and intimidatory tactics arising from the 'biraderi' clan system were being used to force people, particularly women, to vote against their will in the way dictated by their wider families.

He accused Labour of exploiting the caste system in council elections by arranging for supporters to stand at entrances to polling stations in order to put pressure on Asians to vote for the party.

His remarks followed a major report published by the {leftwing} Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust which warned election fraud driven by immigrants practising "village politics" of the Indian sub-continent could be a crucial factor in deciding the future control of Birmingham City Council.

The study, which said numerous convictions for electoral fraud resulted from incidents in inner-city wards where a large concentration of voters originate from the Indian sub-continent, added: "Significantly, these convictions have emerged alongside anecdotal evidence of more widespread, and long-run, practices associated with Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi traditions of biraderi (brotherhood) clans influencing voting behaviour.

"It is widely suggested that extended family and kinship networks, frequently with their origins in settlement patterns in Pakistan and Bangladesh, are mobilised to secure the support of up to several hundred electors, effectively constituting a block vote."

Even the judge you cite, who commented on Britain's electoral system being enough to shame a Banana Republic, was overseeing voting fraud by Asians!

This was after three Labour councillors in Birmingham were caught operating a "vote-rigging factory".

The special Election Court, the first in living memory to hear allegations of vote-rigging, opened in Birmingham to try to deal with this new problem that has been imported to our shores.

The case against Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam and Mohammed Kazi was brought by local Liberal Democrat supporters.

And on, and on it goes, for anyone who is prepared to look at the trends.

M.Foster has clearly been having a look, seems pretty well-informed on the news and has justifiably come to the suspicion and fair assessment that it is RIFE in the Asian communities right across this country.

The only "Sir Clown" seems to be yourself, who seems to jump on M Foster's justified assertions with your own clown shoes on.



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I have provided evidence that shows M Foster has grounds to make his claims, and that they are not ill-informed or otherwise made up without any basis.

What have you provided, aside from a glib and uniform "nothing to see here" whitewashing statement from the political establishment and a clever-clogs attitude?

Nothing. You're obviously just another blow-hard.

M Foster argues that postal voting should be scrapped. I agree with that too. The one exception I would perhaps make is for the registered severely disabled for which getting to a polling station is physically impossible. Proof would have to be obtained.

This is something upon which we all seem to agree.

As for the other points, you've gone at great lenghths to undernine the asian commnunity, grooming is simply not limited to the asians. In this very paper, week in week out we read of paedophiles, organised gangs targeting under age girls, and vicars involved with under age boys, or in your circus eye career would this be deemed acceptable!
You're picking and choosing as to whom you criticise and whom you wish to send to the gallows. In this instance it would be best for such views to be kept within, and I am not atall surprised opinions weren't accounted for, for colonisation.
Sir Clown will remain, partnered with a circus career!!!

Sen c bl, you may of heard of the saying - "when you are in a hole it is time to stop digging" and I suggest you take heed of that. It is YOU that does not seem able to understand the basic principles of the voting system or the evidence exposing how rife election fraud (including the postal vote) within the demographic areas mentioned. I am more than happy to now leave it to readers to judge between your delusional ramblings and the backed-up assertions provided by myself and others. Making cheap, insulting jibes only weakens your argument. I have better things to do with my time but I should also add that I only mentioned (tongue in cheek) the people of other Asian countries because I object to such being linked to any problems caused by those originating from the Indian Sub-continent when termed `Asian'.

I have not attempted to discuss the technicalities or systems of instigating or committing postal vote fraud, and never claimed to have.

As such, I have not supplied my "understanding" or supposed lack thereof, of the mechanics of the system.

Whichever way it is done, no matter who is legally responsible for doing it, etc, it is an abuse of the democratic system.

Whether it is resurrecting the dead to cast a vote, or filling in the wifes voting cards, trailing around Pakistan to find eligible voters, or creating 'block votes' by harvesting a wards voting documents to make sure they are voting 'correctly' - it does not really matter, it is still electoral fraud and a general affront to democracy.

I have written a factual and evidential reply about how Asians are notoriously partaking in postal voting fraud, which you earlier seemed to be denying and ridiculing M Foster and others for alluding to, when you said that they should not be "picked on" - and were even further calling him a "clown".

You do not seem to want to answer the reply which I have made that shows these assertions against the Asian society are valid to make - and instead want to talk in riddles that are barely comprehensible.

"With what M Foster quotes is correct"?

What sort of English is that? Am I supposed to follow what you are saying?

What is it you are trying to say?

That some immigrant communities are integrating and not others, so multiculturalism is kind of half working?

Or that no immigrant communities are integrating at all and multiculturalism is a generally a failure? Neither? What?

I do not know M Foster's beliefs on multiculturalism, but a wholly definitive measure of integration is not just based on whether they commit massive postal vote fraud or not.

Different groups bring with them different problems. We had enough of our own problems without importing millions more of them from around the world.

Perhaps M Foster would quite rightly apportion different traits and problems to different sections of the imported societies we now (unfortunately) have amongst us.

Pickpocketing with the Romanians, people trafficking with the Eastern Europeans, cannabis farm growing with the Vietnamese, gun and knife crime with the Blacks/Africans, etc.

Asians happen to be disproportionately responsible for voting fraud and intimidation, especially concerning postal voting. Just like all the other issues and problems disproportionately attributable to their presence in Britain.

It is therefore inescapably yet another general aspect of the "multiculturalism" brought to this country en-mass since the 1950's, just like all the rest of the issues brought from a range of different Peoples that have arrived.

We did not have many these issues and problems before, and now we do. That is just a fact and the two things cannot be separated.

I will agree that it is not solely the fault of immigrants themselves, because it is a mixture of things including decades of liberalism breaking down our societies and institutions, and the importation of such demographics in the first place.

If I am understanding your garbled English correctly, you seem to be of the assumption that it is the responsibility of the indigenous host society (people like M Foster) to "integrate" with the newer arrivals and make them feel at home and make "multiculturalism" work - arrivals that none of us ever wanted, or voted for to be here, and which many of us quite frankly wish were not here at all and had never come.

That is contradictory to what the normality of expectations should be for a hosting nation, and what were the expected conditions in Britain, before Roy Jenkins of the Labour party and his cronies had the great idea of "multiculturalism".

As even back in the 1950's it was plain as day that you could not import thousands of barely literate Pakistanis from an entirely different way of life, or thousands of Africans etc each with their own ways of life and characteristics, and turn them all into stereotypical bowler hatted Englishmen with a 'tally ho' and 'toodle-pip', (or a flat-cap and a "by-eck") - as was expected to eventually happen by the liberal elites.

It was massively FAILING from the outset.

Naturally, the blame was quite rightly put upon the politicians for not stopping it and on the immigrant groups for not shedding their ways and traditions.

Don't forget, the host society never wanted any of it to begin with, so they are hardly going to be 'enthusiastic' about it. It was imposed upon them, ironically, in a so-called "democracy".

That is perhaps where the biggest fraud ever lay, in the illusion of democracy in post-war Britain on these kinds of matters.

But of course, for liberals like Jenkins, this "blame" upon them, their ideologies and immigrant groups would never do!

So rather than put the blame and the onus of responsibility of the newcomers to adapt, it got turned around to be the host societies fault for "not doing enough". A tale we still hear today.

We will never have "done enough" until we completely do away with ourselves and vanish completely up our own over-hospitable backsides.

So, because of the problems it was causing by allowing the world and their dog to flock here, 'Multiculturalism' was born.

This was the idea that instead of expecting integration, we can all do our own thing, all live in enclaves that were already and naturally establishing themselves, where we can import traditions and problems from around the world, and if it is not working out, then the host society is blamed for just not doing enough to "tolerate" and "understand"!

Quite frankly, I am not remotely interested in the indigenous society being dispossessed from their own homeland - and as such I have no interest to encourage it along by "integrating" and going down to the mosque, listening to Bhangra, immersing myself in Bollywood or whatever else it is we are supposed to be "celebrating" the strength of in this "diversity".

I was happy with the society we had before, the traditions we had before, the way of life we had before, by my own people and for my own people. I will not and do not apologise for that.

In fact, it is traditionally the duty and responsibility of the newer (indeed colonising) arrivals to *not* insult the generous (and soft) indigenous society by abusing their hospitality via importing their cultures and problems here, and for them to generally "fit in" instead of taking the mickey, fleecing us dry and arrogantly rubbing our faces in it as they colonise the nation before our very eyes.

In my opinion therefore, it is not the duty of M Foster, or anybody else who is indigenous, to go out and "integrate" with the mentioned "communities" of any variety.

They are the interlopers who have come to our homeland without our blessing. The responsibility is theirs.

If they are/were not being welcomed, they should have taken the hint and returned to from where they once came.

Of course, I suspect that you are one of them, so it is hardly surprising that you will only see it from the selfish viewpoint of self aggrandisement and further advancement your own section of society's interests.

Maybe you can finally spit out what it is you are mumbling over with these "principles" behind postal voting fraud?

That way we all may actually get to the root of what it is you are on about instead of playing coy games.

Maybe you could also provide evidence of this supposed massive polling station fraud in the 70's and 80's too, and show us how it would fit into the scale of problems that we now see going on with the Asian communities whilst you're at it?

Or are you going to just keep repeating it as though it existed and is somehow directly comparable?

As for "going to great lengths to undermine the asian community" - nonsense. The Asian community have undermined themselves. I have not made them do these things, the are the culprits and architects. I am just stating what is going on.

You can wriggle around all you like, the evidence of disproportion is there for all to see, including with the other issues I mentioned regarding the Asian community.

I don't know why you would assume that the random dodgy vicar or internet 'child ****' style types would be "okay" with me, or are on the same scale or part of the same thing.

They are not okay, and they need dealing with. Harshly.

The indigenous community has its own specific problems, and no, I will not shy away from those either.

Of course I can pick and choose who I select to target. It is my right and as an indigenous Briton I have reason to do so.

I may do this because these are often imported problems from imported communities that have been imposed on us.

That means it deserves special scrutiny, as many of these problems were unwanted and could have easily been avoided!

So no, I will not keep these opinions within myself. We are supposed to have freedom of opinion and expression in this country. I am having mine, well, until the LT no doubt decides to remove it later! lol.

I do not know what you are getting at with the last part of your second instalment, but before you even think about starting up with other things like colonisation, Empire, slavery, or the old canard of "racism" etc and expecting me to whimper and cower and apologise, I will have to tell you that I do not do any of these things and it is not some kind of Kryptonite that silences me.

I have better things to do than keep serving your backside to you on a plate, so why not close the door on your way out?

Hell, maybe you can go and find a circus to join so you can put your clown shoes to good use!

M Foster wrote:
Sen c bl, you may of heard of the saying - "when you are in a hole it is time to stop digging" and I suggest you take heed of that. It is YOU that does not seem able to understand the basic principles of the voting system or the evidence exposing how rife election fraud (including the postal vote) within the demographic areas mentioned. I am more than happy to now leave it to readers to judge between your delusional ramblings and the backed-up assertions provided by myself and others. Making cheap, insulting jibes only weakens your argument. I have better things to do with my time but I should also add that I only mentioned (tongue in cheek) the people of other Asian countries because I object to such being linked to any problems caused by those originating from the Indian Sub-continent when termed `Asian'.

Precisely! Unreliable citizens commenting on posts for their own demented personality and false beliefs. Your circus friend NelsonPatriot, quotes, 1923 was when Westminster declared an election result void and the level fraud 'acceptable' to his standard!!! only to increase with the influx of asians!!!

Asians do not wish to integrate with hypocrites, and yet you question, why!

I won't keep you any longer, you've got a circus audience to entertain. So on your way.

NelsonPatriot wrote:
I have not attempted to discuss the technicalities or systems of instigating or committing postal vote fraud, and never claimed to have.

As such, I have not supplied my "understanding" or supposed lack thereof, of the mechanics of the system.

Whichever way it is done, no matter who is legally responsible for doing it, etc, it is an abuse of the democratic system.

Whether it is resurrecting the dead to cast a vote, or filling in the wifes voting cards, trailing around Pakistan to find eligible voters, or creating 'block votes' by harvesting a wards voting documents to make sure they are voting 'correctly' - it does not really matter, it is still electoral fraud and a general affront to democracy.

I have written a factual and evidential reply about how Asians are notoriously partaking in postal voting fraud, which you earlier seemed to be denying and ridiculing M Foster and others for alluding to, when you said that they should not be "picked on" - and were even further calling him a "clown".

You do not seem to want to answer the reply which I have made that shows these assertions against the Asian society are valid to make - and instead want to talk in riddles that are barely comprehensible.

"With what M Foster quotes is correct"?

What sort of English is that? Am I supposed to follow what you are saying?

What is it you are trying to say?

That some immigrant communities are integrating and not others, so multiculturalism is kind of half working?

Or that no immigrant communities are integrating at all and multiculturalism is a generally a failure? Neither? What?

I do not know M Foster's beliefs on multiculturalism, but a wholly definitive measure of integration is not just based on whether they commit massive postal vote fraud or not.

Different groups bring with them different problems. We had enough of our own problems without importing millions more of them from around the world.

Perhaps M Foster would quite rightly apportion different traits and problems to different sections of the imported societies we now (unfortunately) have amongst us.

Pickpocketing with the Romanians, people trafficking with the Eastern Europeans, cannabis farm growing with the Vietnamese, gun and knife crime with the Blacks/Africans, etc.

Asians happen to be disproportionately responsible for voting fraud and intimidation, especially concerning postal voting. Just like all the other issues and problems disproportionately attributable to their presence in Britain.

It is therefore inescapably yet another general aspect of the "multiculturalism" brought to this country en-mass since the 1950's, just like all the rest of the issues brought from a range of different Peoples that have arrived.

We did not have many these issues and problems before, and now we do. That is just a fact and the two things cannot be separated.

I will agree that it is not solely the fault of immigrants themselves, because it is a mixture of things including decades of liberalism breaking down our societies and institutions, and the importation of such demographics in the first place.

If I am understanding your garbled English correctly, you seem to be of the assumption that it is the responsibility of the indigenous host society (people like M Foster) to "integrate" with the newer arrivals and make them feel at home and make "multiculturalism" work - arrivals that none of us ever wanted, or voted for to be here, and which many of us quite frankly wish were not here at all and had never come.

That is contradictory to what the normality of expectations should be for a hosting nation, and what were the expected conditions in Britain, before Roy Jenkins of the Labour party and his cronies had the great idea of "multiculturalism".

As even back in the 1950's it was plain as day that you could not import thousands of barely literate Pakistanis from an entirely different way of life, or thousands of Africans etc each with their own ways of life and characteristics, and turn them all into stereotypical bowler hatted Englishmen with a 'tally ho' and 'toodle-pip', (or a flat-cap and a "by-eck") - as was expected to eventually happen by the liberal elites.

It was massively FAILING from the outset.

Naturally, the blame was quite rightly put upon the politicians for not stopping it and on the immigrant groups for not shedding their ways and traditions.

Don't forget, the host society never wanted any of it to begin with, so they are hardly going to be 'enthusiastic' about it. It was imposed upon them, ironically, in a so-called "democracy".

That is perhaps where the biggest fraud ever lay, in the illusion of democracy in post-war Britain on these kinds of matters.

But of course, for liberals like Jenkins, this "blame" upon them, their ideologies and immigrant groups would never do!

So rather than put the blame and the onus of responsibility of the newcomers to adapt, it got turned around to be the host societies fault for "not doing enough". A tale we still hear today.

We will never have "done enough" until we completely do away with ourselves and vanish completely up our own over-hospitable backsides.

So, because of the problems it was causing by allowing the world and their dog to flock here, 'Multiculturalism' was born.

This was the idea that instead of expecting integration, we can all do our own thing, all live in enclaves that were already and naturally establishing themselves, where we can import traditions and problems from around the world, and if it is not working out, then the host society is blamed for just not doing enough to "tolerate" and "understand"!

Quite frankly, I am not remotely interested in the indigenous society being dispossessed from their own homeland - and as such I have no interest to encourage it along by "integrating" and going down to the mosque, listening to Bhangra, immersing myself in Bollywood or whatever else it is we are supposed to be "celebrating" the strength of in this "diversity".

I was happy with the society we had before, the traditions we had before, the way of life we had before, by my own people and for my own people. I will not and do not apologise for that.

In fact, it is traditionally the duty and responsibility of the newer (indeed colonising) arrivals to *not* insult the generous (and soft) indigenous society by abusing their hospitality via importing their cultures and problems here, and for them to generally "fit in" instead of taking the mickey, fleecing us dry and arrogantly rubbing our faces in it as they colonise the nation before our very eyes.

In my opinion therefore, it is not the duty of M Foster, or anybody else who is indigenous, to go out and "integrate" with the mentioned "communities" of any variety.

They are the interlopers who have come to our homeland without our blessing. The responsibility is theirs.

If they are/were not being welcomed, they should have taken the hint and returned to from where they once came.

Of course, I suspect that you are one of them, so it is hardly surprising that you will only see it from the selfish viewpoint of self aggrandisement and further advancement your own section of society's interests.

Maybe you can finally spit out what it is you are mumbling over with these "principles" behind postal voting fraud?

That way we all may actually get to the root of what it is you are on about instead of playing coy games.

Maybe you could also provide evidence of this supposed massive polling station fraud in the 70's and 80's too, and show us how it would fit into the scale of problems that we now see going on with the Asian communities whilst you're at it?

Or are you going to just keep repeating it as though it existed and is somehow directly comparable?

As for "going to great lengths to undermine the asian community" - nonsense. The Asian community have undermined themselves. I have not made them do these things, the are the culprits and architects. I am just stating what is going on.

You can wriggle around all you like, the evidence of disproportion is there for all to see, including with the other issues I mentioned regarding the Asian community.

I don't know why you would assume that the random dodgy vicar or internet 'child ****' style types would be "okay" with me, or are on the same scale or part of the same thing.

They are not okay, and they need dealing with. Harshly.

The indigenous community has its own specific problems, and no, I will not shy away from those either.

Of course I can pick and choose who I select to target. It is my right and as an indigenous Briton I have reason to do so.

I may do this because these are often imported problems from imported communities that have been imposed on us.

That means it deserves special scrutiny, as many of these problems were unwanted and could have easily been avoided!

So no, I will not keep these opinions within myself. We are supposed to have freedom of opinion and expression in this country. I am having mine, well, until the LT no doubt decides to remove it later! lol.

I do not know what you are getting at with the last part of your second instalment, but before you even think about starting up with other things like colonisation, Empire, slavery, or the old canard of "racism" etc and expecting me to whimper and cower and apologise, I will have to tell you that I do not do any of these things and it is not some kind of Kryptonite that silences me.

I have better things to do than keep serving your backside to you on a plate, so why not close the door on your way out?

Hell, maybe you can go and find a circus to join so you can put your clown shoes to good use!

You are listing culprits unable to abide the law and only referring to the asian commnunity, turning a blind eye to the majority that fill our papers. Hypocrites on false justice is what you're showing. Uninformed dimwits is what you are with regards to the posting vote system and acceptable provided the percentage is in accordance to the level you choose!!!
Law abiding asians will not be detered by pretenders and neither will they back down.

I haven't got a door to close, and sensible of you to quote, yours is hell!

Utter gobbledygook!

M Foster wrote:
Utter gobbledygook!

Ha Ha Ha, clown lingo!!!

Utter gobbledygook!
(Look it up)

M Foster wrote:
Utter gobbledygook!
(Look it up)

Mike Whitby, BNP candidate for Liverpool mayor was arrested on suspicion of electoral fraud, at his North Wales home.
Police broke down his front door after he refused to cooperate for six hours. He was questioned on suspicion of making false statements and faking signatures on nomination election papers. Several residents in Wavetree alerted the police, they did not support Mr Whitby even though he claimed he had done on his forms.

Oh look, I've found your long lost twin, mentally twisted liars!!!

M Foster wrote:
Utter gobbledygook!

In the sixteenth century the use of public funds to bribe electorates was rife, thus affecting the results. Farmers would bribe electorates, so they may continue to charge tenents huge sums to use land.

Oh did I say farmers, I meant your fathers. Keep it in the family, eh. Dirty blood!!!

M Foster wrote:
Utter gobbledygook!
(Look it up)

No need to, I simply look at you!!

sen c bl, 16th century? Boy, are you getting desperate to prove your erroneous points! Let's face it, you have been proved wrong, wrong, wrong. Time for you to give it up, don't you think. But you can't can you? I will leave the last pathetic comment to you.
Mike Whitby? Whatever that was about my search threw up nothing about any criminal charges against him so this is just another feeble attempt to deflect justifiable claims about who is mostly responsible for electoral fraud IN THIS DAY AND AGE in the UK. You have not addressed ANY of the claims made to support this view - all you can do is call people liars!
That does not say much for your intellect I'm afraid.

M Foster wrote:
sen c bl, 16th century? Boy, are you getting desperate to prove your erroneous points! Let's face it, you have been proved wrong, wrong, wrong. Time for you to give it up, don't you think. But you can't can you? I will leave the last pathetic comment to you.
Mike Whitby? Whatever that was about my search threw up nothing about any criminal charges against him so this is just another feeble attempt to deflect justifiable claims about who is mostly responsible for electoral fraud IN THIS DAY AND AGE in the UK. You have not addressed ANY of the claims made to support this view - all you can do is call people liars!
That does not say much for your intellect I'm afraid.

The heading, and I quote, 'Pendle MP's concern over abuse of postal system', and his hopes an end to postal vote system.

I repeat my very first question to you, the principles behind postal vote fraud, Well since you're not aware I'll explain. This is regarded as a swinging vote, to allow certain in seat and refusal to other. Most posts suggets one voter casting number of votes, absolute nonsense. Second question, the voters or the councillours?. Councillours, why. They collect blank voting forms and cast vote at the last chime, hence swinging vote! Nothing at all to do with **** family vote or head of family told us to do.
These are his concerns and not necessarily proven.
So Foster, unlike polling station fraud, several voters arrested for voting twice and for another member of their family! and they were not asians.
I live in an asian majority ward, out of town to be precise, and they're wonderful people. Multiculturalism IS working!!!
Groomers, paedo's. Never seen your post criticising none asians!
So my comments remains, dirty blood!
P.S. Got any further quetions, fire away!!!

HecticBigBoy wrote:
At the last General Election, i spoke to an asian gentleman near me, he admitted he had just placed over 100 votes on behalf of his family, and many were not happy with how he voted, but as head of the family he had the say!! He owns Punjab take-away in Brierfield

I am led to believe that i was wrong in who the gentleman was, he did say he owned that take away, but if that is not true, i apologise to the owner of the Punjab for mentioning his establishment.

StraightTalk123 wrote:
For your information @HecticBigBoy you are a Liar because I own the Punjab Takeaway and I Never ever voted for anybody other than myself! How dare you mention anybody let alone my family or I with proof. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION PUNJAB TAKEAWAY WAS NOT EVEN TRAFING IN 2010.

Please accept my apologies, the gentleman i spoke to 'claimed' he owned the Punjab take away, if this was not you, then I am sorry that i have involved you in this discussion. I accept your word that it wasn't you and am sorry for any offence caused to you and your family.

HecticBigBoy wrote:

StraightTalk123 wrote:
For your information @HecticBigBoy you are a Liar because I own the Punjab Takeaway and I Never ever voted for anybody other than myself! How dare you mention anybody let alone my family or I with proof. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION PUNJAB TAKEAWAY WAS NOT EVEN TRAFING IN 2010.

Please accept my apologies, the gentleman i spoke to 'claimed' he owned the Punjab take away, if this was not you, then I am sorry that i have involved you in this discussion. I accept your word that it wasn't you and am sorry for any offence caused to you and your family.

Very sensible of you.

Now Punjab Takeaway, do one!