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    midas wrote:
    mavrick wrote:
    I would like to make it clear that in my opinion Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were not true labour people. In answer to Midas, If the steel making was in such a bad state then, what has changed. Are The steelmakers who are reopening the Teeside plant not recieving some incentive from the government? As for explaining Black wednesday I would suggest it was the incompetence of the tory administration making some poor decisions, perhaps not preparing for a downturn in the economy at that time. As for having to impose stringent cuts to compensate for the so called labour Mismanagement, perhaps you could explain why other countries are abandoning austerity measures in favour of investment into public services and other infrastructures. It might not have crossed your mind but it is cheaper and better to keep people in work than out of work. I and a lot more people have seen through the coalition lies on the countries financial state, we are not that broke, we recently give 10BILLION to the IMF. I would like to see you square that circle Midas. As for the turnout, This has been a problem for all parties. that could be another debate. I love it when i ruffle a tories feathers.
    What was closed down was the, perhaps, more "general" manufacturing of rolled steel that can be manufactured abroad where the unit cost is far lower. What is being re-opened is more specialised and technical steel manufacturing- Sheffield Forgemasters type work.
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    Black Wednesday came about because of the decision to firstly shadow and then join the ERM at a time when our economy was on a different trajectory to the German Economy who had to tackle the high inflation caused by the reunification. Our perilous position was exacerbated by the rapid decline in value of the US$ which was the common currency for our exports. The downturn in the economy came after not before.
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    Which other countries are abandoning austerity measures in favour of investment into public services and other infrastructures?
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    We haven't given 10 billion we have guaranteed a loan of 10 billion - not really the same is it?
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    ruffled feathers - not really, just highlighted your reliance on soundbites, but then again Thatcher stole my milk so it must be her fault eh? Keep the Red Flag flying son, it gives us something to aim at!
    I wonder why cold rolled stell is cheapr to produce on the near continent than in Britain?
    I was well aware of the reason for Black Wednesday, but did this not confirm it was a poor Tory decision to take this course? So our problems were exacerbated by the fall in the US$ just like the recent continuing recession, slave to the USA perhaps.
    Why couldn't we guarantee 10 Billion for British jobs? as for my reliance on sound bites I think you should re read some of your previous posts. you are right about Thatcher. as for the red flag keep aiming pilgrim you will see the light one day."
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Election 2012: Gains for Labour in council polls

David Cameron and Nick Clegg have been dealt a stinging rebuke by the public as Labour racked up big gains in local elections.

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Key councils such as Thurrock, Harlow, Southampton, Birmingham, Norwich, Great Yarmouth and Chorley fell to Ed Miliband's party. The Prime Minister was also embarrassed by losses in his Oxfordshire constituency - with Labour taking the seats of Witney Central, Witney East and Chipping Norton.

In a further blow, Manchester, Nottingham and Coventry ignored Mr Cameron's pleas and rejected proposals for elected mayors. Birmingham and other cities are expected to follow suit.

The Liberal Democrats were not spared pain, being left without a representative on several powerful councils as voters seemingly punished the Government for austerity measures.

Overall Labour looked on track to exceed the 700 gains experts had set as the threshold for a good performance. A BBC projection of the national vote share gave the party 39% - up three points on a year ago. The Tories were down four on 31% and the Lib Dems trod water on 16%.

However, Mr Miliband did suffer a setback in Bradford, where his party lost seats to Respect. The results followed George Galloway's shock success in last month's parliamentary by-election.

Tories pointed to a low turnout, estimated at little over 30%, suggesting that "apathy" had played a significant part in the results.

But there were also calls for a change in direction from the leadership. Senior backbencher Bernard Jenkin insisted the party had to focus on the economy rather than allowing their Lib Dem coalition partners to dictate the agenda. "The coalition is going to look completely stupid if it follow through on Lords reform," he told the BBC.

Mr Clegg said: "I am really sad that so many colleagues and friends, Liberal Democrat councillors, who have worked so hard, so tirelessly for so many years for communities and families in their local areas have lost their seats and I want to pay tribute to all the great work they have done.

"I am determined that we will continue to play our role in rescuing, repairing and reforming the British economy. It's not an easy job and it can't be done overnight but our duty is to boost jobs and investment and to restore a sense of hope and optimism to our country."

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