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Tens of thousands smoking illegal tobacco in Blackburn, investigation reveals
10:30am Wednesday 21st December 2011 in News
TENS of thousands of people in East Lancashire are smoking illegal cigarettes, according to an investigation.
The probe, on behalf of a legitimate cigarette firm, also revealed that half of the area’s shopkeepers knew of rogue tobacco traders.
A former top cop at Scotland Yard, who investigated the situation in Blackburn, said that counterfeit cigarettes were freely available.
And he said the ‘easy’ sales of illegal tobacco taking place in the back streets of the town are funding organised crime.
Local trading standards teams revealed the area has a particular problem because of the use of unregulated shisha and other specialist Asian tobacco.
There is also a problem with illegal cigarettes being sold in back alleys, car parks and shops, former Met Police detective Will O’Reilly said.
County Council figures suggest an estimated 50,000 people in Lancashire smoke illegal cigarettes.
A special crackdown has now been launched. An Illicit Tobacco Team made of experts from the Trading Standard North West alliance of local authorities has made ‘significant recent seizures’ in Blackburn.
Chris Allen, head of Trading Standards at Blackburn with Darwen Council, said there was a significant issue in Blackburn.
He said: “With these extra resources we have been able to give this particular problem more emphasis, leading to significant seizures in the last couple of months on counterfeit and incorrectly marked products.”
Officers said duty is not paid on 99 per cent of shisha and that most of it doesn’t carry the correct health warnings.
There are concerns that the fakes often contains foreign bodies such as rat droppings and sawdust. And that profits are being used to fund large-scale organised crime including terrorism.
Mr O’Reilly said: “My investigations showed how easily available counterfeit tobacco is in alleyways, the backs of cars and streets in Blackburn. People need to be aware that the some people bringing this into the country also traffic hard drugs, firearms and deal in terrorism. The money goes to fund other organised criminal activity which ruins people’s lives.
“The message to the community is that the money paid for cheap cigarettes is actually costing them in other ways.”
Mr O’Reilly said his undercover test purchasing operations have shown half of hand-rolling tobacco sold in the country is illegal and he also warned of the health effects of unregulated products.
In the North West 46 per cent of local shopkeepers were aware of people who sold illegal cigarettes, he said.
They said they were ‘deeply concerned’ about the effect on their business.
The poll, commissioned by tobacco firm Philip Morris International also revealed that 90 per cent wanted stricter penalties for those caught dealing in illegal tobacco products, four out of five think more resources are needed to enforcement the law, and half believe minors are getting easy access to illegal cigarettes.
Its findings will now be passed on to the government and local law enforcement agencies to try and help tackle the issue.
Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Comments(85)
makaveli96
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11:17am Wed 21 Dec 11
Same with dodgy petrol, drink, fake clothes and pets!
did you smash it?
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11:21am Wed 21 Dec 11
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If the Government didn't treat cigarettes and smokers as an easy tax every budget to try and claw back some of the money that has been lost, then maybe smokers would buy the brand name products.
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If someone offers you almost the same thing for two-thirds (Or less) of the shop price then people, particularly those who have an expensive habit to fund, will pay the reduced price every time - especially in these times of economic hardship.
Lifeinthemix
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11:24am Wed 21 Dec 11
we can grow are own and do with it as we want so long as we do not register the business.
Register your business and you have entered into contract with the corporate state, do not and you have not...simples.
we are not obligated to pay tax to a private corporation, and everything is now corporate.....
shytalk
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11:38am Wed 21 Dec 11
Half the waggon drivers in Lancashire import it
SovereignT
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11:44am Wed 21 Dec 11
'Kean on getting out..!
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11:45am Wed 21 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
'Kean on getting out..!
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11:45am Wed 21 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
brok
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11:51am Wed 21 Dec 11
One of the side effects of a government's change in attitude to the habit, manifested in higher excise duty or bans on advertising, is the creation of a situation where non excise, illegal substances fill a niche held formerly by the legitimate trade.
A price of around five pounds for twenty cigarettes compared with the much lower price of the items sold illegally make the reason for the illegal market abundantly clear. The huge difference in cost between 'tailor made' cigarettes and 'roll-ups' accentuates the social problem, people on lower incomes will be attracted more easily into the trade.
Excessive duty on tobacco products over ices the cake; it is not a modern phenomenon, the South Western coast line of this country abounds with tales of smuggling and illegal dealing over centuries.
Governments have a reputation for 'chucking the baby out with the bathwater' and the crooks, smugglers and gangsters will always be there to take advantage.
PadihamThickneck
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12:04pm Wed 21 Dec 11
useyourhead
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12:26pm Wed 21 Dec 11
shytalk wrote:while it may be true that the wagon drivers are bringing real tobacco in and avoiding import duty, you would also be shocked at how much of the stuff that is sold 'under the counter' is actually fake, they have become masters at making the packaging look perfect, the warnings and the little gold 'tabac' labels all re-created very skillfully but the stuff in the pack is even more harmful than the real thing.
Not really seen any " fake " tobacco, but real tobacco bought abroad in begium etc and sold here at a fraction of uk prices because the tax is exhorbitant in the UK.
Half the waggon drivers in Lancashire import it
BuckoTheMoose
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12:40pm Wed 21 Dec 11
It's not all fake either. Most of it is the real stuff that has been bought from the EU.
If the tax was reduced then this problem would all but go away.
Dusty Snatchmonger
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12:58pm Wed 21 Dec 11
bikerjohn_uk
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1:06pm Wed 21 Dec 11
cat woman
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1:10pm Wed 21 Dec 11
will12
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1:11pm Wed 21 Dec 11
What next, Perscription's falsely claimed and then picked up by a van from all the local Chemist's and taken to be loaded on a Container at Liverpool Dock's bound for the Indian Sub-Continent !!!! No, Never !!!!! Next the Chemist's will be selling these Cigarette's and Tobacco from under the Counter as well !!!!! Whatever next ?????
The "white" stuff that is nose good for you, is only available at selected "Corner Shop's" !!!!!
No doubt these Stories will break in a few years time through the "up to speed with times LET" !!!!!
And I don't have the power of a Crystal Ball for this sort of "breaking news thing", its an age old thing, bit of a secret nowadays............
.......its called Common Sense, and a use of one of the senses God gave us when we were born...... eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
everywhere is sh1t
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1:12pm Wed 21 Dec 11
bikerjohn_uk wrote:****
Why is tobacco and drink taxed so highly? Because we have to fund an NHS which spend most of its time treating smoking and alcohol related illness. That said I'm all in favour of letting you kill yourselves with sub-standard tobacco - at least that way there'll be less of you putting pressure on the NHS so that at least they can concentrate on helping people who are ill through no fault of their own.
shytalk
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1:15pm Wed 21 Dec 11
useyourhead wrote:Answer is only buy it if you know where it comes from
shytalk wrote: Not really seen any " fake " tobacco, but real tobacco bought abroad in begium etc and sold here at a fraction of uk prices because the tax is exhorbitant in the UK. Half the waggon drivers in Lancashire import itwhile it may be true that the wagon drivers are bringing real tobacco in and avoiding import duty, you would also be shocked at how much of the stuff that is sold 'under the counter' is actually fake, they have become masters at making the packaging look perfect, the warnings and the little gold 'tabac' labels all re-created very skillfully but the stuff in the pack is even more harmful than the real thing.
Lifeinthemix
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1:32pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Dusty Snatchmonger
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1:34pm Wed 21 Dec 11
The Tories are back in power lol
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pepperpot2296
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1:53pm Wed 21 Dec 11
shytalk wrote:better still stop smoking,dirty filthy habit keep hiking up the prices
useyourhead wrote:Answer is only buy it if you know where it comes from
shytalk wrote: Not really seen any " fake " tobacco, but real tobacco bought abroad in begium etc and sold here at a fraction of uk prices because the tax is exhorbitant in the UK. Half the waggon drivers in Lancashire import itwhile it may be true that the wagon drivers are bringing real tobacco in and avoiding import duty, you would also be shocked at how much of the stuff that is sold 'under the counter' is actually fake, they have become masters at making the packaging look perfect, the warnings and the little gold 'tabac' labels all re-created very skillfully but the stuff in the pack is even more harmful than the real thing.
Dusty Snatchmonger
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1:54pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:HeHe bro.... Merry Christmas mate to you and yours x
na grow your own.....without any chemical concoctions added you get cancer the healthier way....
Dusty Snatchmonger
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2:16pm Wed 21 Dec 11
pepperpot2296 wrote:Yup hike the prices up we will keep smoking, numbnuts ! ;) Have a lovely compliant existance.
shytalk wrote:better still stop smoking,dirty filthy habit keep hiking up the pricesuseyourhead wrote:Answer is only buy it if you know where it comes fromshytalk wrote: Not really seen any " fake " tobacco, but real tobacco bought abroad in begium etc and sold here at a fraction of uk prices because the tax is exhorbitant in the UK. Half the waggon drivers in Lancashire import itwhile it may be true that the wagon drivers are bringing real tobacco in and avoiding import duty, you would also be shocked at how much of the stuff that is sold 'under the counter' is actually fake, they have become masters at making the packaging look perfect, the warnings and the little gold 'tabac' labels all re-created very skillfully but the stuff in the pack is even more harmful than the real thing.
LoobyLou369
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2:37pm Wed 21 Dec 11
everywhere is sh1t wrote:What a nasty comment!!!
bikerjohn_uk wrote: Why is tobacco and drink taxed so highly? Because we have to fund an NHS which spend most of its time treating smoking and alcohol related illness. That said I'm all in favour of letting you kill yourselves with sub-standard tobacco - at least that way there'll be less of you putting pressure on the NHS so that at least they can concentrate on helping people who are ill through no fault of their own.****
And i doubt very much the nhs spends 'MOST' of its time treating smokers and drinkers!!
Have you never touched alcohol or drink????
Probably not... your probably one of them nosy, bizzy bodies with nothing better to do with their time than moan about people smoking or drinking!!!
Keep Darwen Green
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3:21pm Wed 21 Dec 11
But I do recommend drinking as much as is humanly possible at least twice a day
Lifeinthemix
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3:47pm Wed 21 Dec 11
bikerjohn_uk
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3:58pm Wed 21 Dec 11
LoobyLou369 wrote:Au contraire - I used to smoke when I was a stupid child, but gave up about 20 years ago when it was costing me a fortune, making my clothes and house stink, and making it difficult to walk more than a mile without having to stop every couple of hundred yards to catch my breath. And I like a drink too - but I do have an aversion to alcohol poisoning, hangovers, kidney failure, brain failure and liver cancer.
everywhere is sh1t wrote:What a nasty comment!!!
bikerjohn_uk wrote: Why is tobacco and drink taxed so highly? Because we have to fund an NHS which spend most of its time treating smoking and alcohol related illness. That said I'm all in favour of letting you kill yourselves with sub-standard tobacco - at least that way there'll be less of you putting pressure on the NHS so that at least they can concentrate on helping people who are ill through no fault of their own.****
And i doubt very much the nhs spends 'MOST' of its time treating smokers and drinkers!!
Have you never touched alcohol or drink????
Probably not... your probably one of them nosy, bizzy bodies with nothing better to do with their time than moan about people smoking or drinking!!!
Dusty Snatchmonger
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4:01pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:Oi ! I said Merry Christmas lol xxx
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Keep Darwen Green
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4:14pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
Dusty Snatchmonger
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4:29pm Wed 21 Dec 11
neesh
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4:43pm Wed 21 Dec 11
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:yawn,yawn. your anti Asian/muslim rants are getting rather boring now.And eid is months away,you are getting very tedious SIR.
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
maz;0)
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5:08pm Wed 21 Dec 11
maz;0)
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5:10pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:LOL..
In the wise words of Jeremy Clarkson, I think all smokers should be shot, no seriously, they should be treated like any other smack head and given counselling and patches and support and if that doesn't work they should be refused treatment on the NHS and then shot.
But I do recommend drinking as much as is humanly possible at least twice a day
Dave_P
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5:16pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Dusty Snatchmonger
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5:30pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Dave_P wrote:Dave, this is the very reason so called 'Human's' are doomed ! I always take solace in that fact. You are not alone in your thinking ... Never give up on what you know is true.
it's about personal choice, stop enforcing your will on others and we will all get along ffs
'Kean on getting out..!
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6:24pm Wed 21 Dec 11
neesh wrote:They are the facts Sir..You only need to keep track of the goings on in the local court rooms to see the Muslim Asian community are also breaking the law on a day to day basis.
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:yawn,yawn. your anti Asian/muslim rants are getting rather boring now.And eid is months away,you are getting very tedious SIR.
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
Sir.I could start listing some of the offences and convictions over the past few months.Half of the Muslim Asian community in Colne have been banged up for Christmas and Eid for dealing heroin.Its Mr Khonat who as done the generalisation of the Blackburn public.And its Mr Khonat who as stated that his colleagues sell the contriband under pressure from organised criminals.
'Why dont they go to the police..?
'What are they affraid of..?
'What are they hiding..?
Come on Neesh...Sir why dont you tell all the nice ladies and gentlemen what the corner shop keepers are hiding from the Police...????
chas
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6:51pm Wed 21 Dec 11
If the Government was to cut the duty on tobacco products more people would buy from our shops.
This would not only increase the revenue to our shops but would also the revenue to the Government.
neesh
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6:53pm Wed 21 Dec 11
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:i don't know what the corner shops are hiding if they're hiding anything at all,i just do my shopping pay my bills and off i go.i'm sure the local police are very wise people who knows what's going on ,why don't you ask at the local nick?by the way i am a female not a "sir."
neesh wrote:They are the facts Sir..You only need to keep track of the goings on in the local court rooms to see the Muslim Asian community are also breaking the law on a day to day basis.
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:yawn,yawn. your anti Asian/muslim rants are getting rather boring now.And eid is months away,you are getting very tedious SIR.
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
Sir.I could start listing some of the offences and convictions over the past few months.Half of the Muslim Asian community in Colne have been banged up for Christmas and Eid for dealing heroin.Its Mr Khonat who as done the generalisation of the Blackburn public.And its Mr Khonat who as stated that his colleagues sell the contriband under pressure from organised criminals.
'Why dont they go to the police..?
'What are they affraid of..?
'What are they hiding..?
Come on Neesh...Sir why dont you tell all the nice ladies and gentlemen what the corner shop keepers are hiding from the Police...????
juanbbien
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6:59pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Good call
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9:12pm Wed 21 Dec 11
juanbbien wrote:The tax revenue has gone to fund the war in Afghanistan,bailing out the banking cartel,subsidising tax avoidance by multinationals and the super rich and last but not least funding the EU.As for this "fake Cigarettes fund terrorism" Why,at any opportunity do they scaremonger about "terrorism".
Living in Spain,the last time I visited Gibraltar about twelve months ago the price of twenty Lambert & Butler were one pound twenty per packet compared to six poundish in England,the Government are making a bloody fortune in tax,and where the hell is it all going,a real rip off.
Graham Hartley
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9:58pm Wed 21 Dec 11
PadihamThickneck wrote:Who are my community leaders? Is there a course I can attend so that I may readily identify them, and identify with them?
Talk to the 'community leaders' they'll sort it
Graham Hartley
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10:07pm Wed 21 Dec 11
PadihamThickneck wrote:So neesh is not a 'sir'. Use one's given name in correspondence here; such fun results.
Talk to the 'community leaders' they'll sort it
'Kean on getting out..!
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10:24pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green
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11:03pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Good call wrote:So the answer is very simple, don't smoke. Problem sorted.
juanbbien wrote:The tax revenue has gone to fund the war in Afghanistan,bailing out the banking cartel,subsidising tax avoidance by multinationals and the super rich and last but not least funding the EU.As for this "fake Cigarettes fund terrorism" Why,at any opportunity do they scaremonger about "terrorism".
Living in Spain,the last time I visited Gibraltar about twelve months ago the price of twenty Lambert & Butler were one pound twenty per packet compared to six poundish in England,the Government are making a bloody fortune in tax,and where the hell is it all going,a real rip off.
juanbbien
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11:07pm Wed 21 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:I don't smoke I was just pointing out the amount of tax the government levy on them,ok
Good call wrote:So the answer is very simple, don't smoke. Problem sorted.
juanbbien wrote:The tax revenue has gone to fund the war in Afghanistan,bailing out the banking cartel,subsidising tax avoidance by multinationals and the super rich and last but not least funding the EU.As for this "fake Cigarettes fund terrorism" Why,at any opportunity do they scaremonger about "terrorism".
Living in Spain,the last time I visited Gibraltar about twelve months ago the price of twenty Lambert & Butler were one pound twenty per packet compared to six poundish in England,the Government are making a bloody fortune in tax,and where the hell is it all going,a real rip off.
Darrens Delivery Service
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12:30am Thu 22 Dec 11
makaveli96 wrote:A packet of 20 quality cigs in india..50 rupees (60 pence). Rip off Britain.
People buy cheap cigarettes due to "rip of Britain" Tax. Same with dodgy petrol, drink, fake clothes and pets!
Lifeinthemix
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1:22am Thu 22 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
Lifeinthemix
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1:24am Thu 22 Dec 11
Dusty Snatchmonger wrote:merry christmas to your good self also.....
Lifeinthemix wrote:Oi ! I said Merry Christmas lol xxx
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Graham Hartley
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6:47am Thu 22 Dec 11
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:that's nuff
Back off Hartley..It took me ages to sniff this one out.
louderfasterlonger
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9:59am Thu 22 Dec 11
Check your records -
Council property in Darwen reported 3 years ago for selling illegal cigarettes to 13 year old children....
Still waiting for you to get back to me with the results of your investigation.
I know you're still investigating it because they are still carrying out their vile trade.
Stop bulling yourself up in the newspapers !
The fault is clearly at your door !
Best wishes from Joe Public
Your ferret stinks
says...
11:22am Thu 22 Dec 11
neesh wrote:So Neesh you just do your shopping and pay your bills and off you go, well let me inform you that your community is very good at this when it suits them in what ever transaction they carry out, a shrug of the shoulders and palms facing skywards saying "well i'm not from here nobody told me i couldn't do it" however round here it works like this
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:i don't know what the corner shops are hiding if they're hiding anything at all,i just do my shopping pay my bills and off i go.i'm sure the local police are very wise people who knows what's going on ,why don't you ask at the local nick?by the way i am a female not a "sir."
neesh wrote:They are the facts Sir..You only need to keep track of the goings on in the local court rooms to see the Muslim Asian community are also breaking the law on a day to day basis.
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:yawn,yawn. your anti Asian/muslim rants are getting rather boring now.And eid is months away,you are getting very tedious SIR.
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
Sir.I could start listing some of the offences and convictions over the past few months.Half of the Muslim Asian community in Colne have been banged up for Christmas and Eid for dealing heroin.Its Mr Khonat who as done the generalisation of the Blackburn public.And its Mr Khonat who as stated that his colleagues sell the contriband under pressure from organised criminals.
'Why dont they go to the police..?
'What are they affraid of..?
'What are they hiding..?
Come on Neesh...Sir why dont you tell all the nice ladies and gentlemen what the corner shop keepers are hiding from the Police...????
"ignorance is no defence"
vegeboy
says...
11:48am Thu 22 Dec 11
nice person
says...
12:19pm Thu 22 Dec 11
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It isn't just Blackburn,try the shop in stacksteds,readily available counterfiet fags,then drive over the hill to Burnley across from the woodmans,same again,carry on past asda take a right turn and small shop,same again.The list is endless....
the_truth_is_out_there_!
says...
12:38pm Thu 22 Dec 11
DJ_Jaybee
says...
1:28pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Obvious packaging advantage... also Ratsaw is a snappy brand name. Get on dragon's den.
Keep Darwen Green
says...
3:18pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:So, you are a smoker then, all them exploited children to get you your fix, your taste of freedom, whilst they work the chain gang. The only thing they get to choose is food or water. Heartbreaking.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
We don't have TV's where I live all the girls are girls and all the boys are boys Do you live in Royston Vasey?.
Your ferret stinks
says...
3:37pm Thu 22 Dec 11
vegeboy wrote:Thats a great comment from vegeboy!
its about time people in blackburn stopped blaming the asian community for every bad thing that goes on.after all we wanted proper itergration{think thats how its spelled}.Well some have intergrated well into the criminal world.stop winging,just dont buy counterfiet anything.no demand no supply.the goverment on the other hand are as bad as any drug barronns extorting big money from people who are addicted.I stopped smoking five years ago best thing i ever did.Dont let a couple of plant leaves rule your life
Dont let a couple of plant leaves rule your life!!
LOL
Your ferret stinks
says...
3:37pm Thu 22 Dec 11
vegeboy wrote:Thats a great comment from vegeboy!
its about time people in blackburn stopped blaming the asian community for every bad thing that goes on.after all we wanted proper itergration{think thats how its spelled}.Well some have intergrated well into the criminal world.stop winging,just dont buy counterfiet anything.no demand no supply.the goverment on the other hand are as bad as any drug barronns extorting big money from people who are addicted.I stopped smoking five years ago best thing i ever did.Dont let a couple of plant leaves rule your life
Dont let a couple of plant leaves rule your life!!
LOL
Izanears
says...
4:23pm Thu 22 Dec 11
harrythehamster
says...
4:30pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:More than twice a day.Drink till it pours out of your fecking earholes.Don't smoke though.its anti social & smelly.Projectile vomiting off a belly full of ale is ok. Peeing in wardrobes is fine but you wouldn't want to smoke in there-would you? That would be plain stupid. Kestrel supers all round i say. Stick your fags up your ar*e. Hmmm.Is that how george Michael started?
In the wise words of Jeremy Clarkson, I think all smokers should be shot, no seriously, they should be treated like any other smack head and given counselling and patches and support and if that doesn't work they should be refused treatment on the NHS and then shot. But I do recommend drinking as much as is humanly possible at least twice a day
harrythehamster
says...
4:36pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:Shut it you stinky rodent. You know nuttin about what its like to be a gangsta rapper in blackburn.All we got to do is sell the cheap tabs init.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
Lifeinthemix
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4:50pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:everything you buy from china and india made by children and made to break....bla bla bla...and you point is?
Lifeinthemix wrote:So, you are a smoker then, all them exploited children to get you your fix, your taste of freedom, whilst they work the chain gang. The only thing they get to choose is food or water. Heartbreaking.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
We don't have TV's where I live all the girls are girls and all the boys are boys Do you live in Royston Vasey?.
neesh
says...
7:22pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:excuse me but i am from "round here",born and bred "round here"in fact. ignorance is no defence? so what do you suggest?do you want us to go around hacking phones and e mails to find out what everyone's up to?i'm not a journalist ,you know. i don't have time to go around sticking my nose everywhere, i'm too busy trying to earn a living.
neesh wrote:So Neesh you just do your shopping and pay your bills and off you go, well let me inform you that your community is very good at this when it suits them in what ever transaction they carry out, a shrug of the shoulders and palms facing skywards saying "well i'm not from here nobody told me i couldn't do it" however round here it works like this
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:i don't know what the corner shops are hiding if they're hiding anything at all,i just do my shopping pay my bills and off i go.i'm sure the local police are very wise people who knows what's going on ,why don't you ask at the local nick?by the way i am a female not a "sir."
neesh wrote:They are the facts Sir..You only need to keep track of the goings on in the local court rooms to see the Muslim Asian community are also breaking the law on a day to day basis.
'Kean on getting out..! wrote:yawn,yawn. your anti Asian/muslim rants are getting rather boring now.And eid is months away,you are getting very tedious SIR.
Your ferret stinks wrote:Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
“You always know when there are illegal cigarettes being sold because you’ll notice a big drop off in the sale of certain brands. It happens all the time in pubs, car parks, and back alleyways.
“These people don’t care how and where they make their money. But it has a major effect on us retailers.”
Absolutely rediculous statement from Khonat no mention of the corner shops.Infact i dont know any pubs that sell tax free baccy only small corner shops.Am not to sure how much dealings go on in Mosques and prayer rooms but am sure it does no infact i am possitive that it does from past dealings with British and Pakistani Asians.
So why as Mr Khonat not included those places in his brass generalisation of the Blackburn public??
What i can read through the lines here is that the whole of the Asian community in Blackburn are excempt from guilt then we can only presume that he beleaves that the sale of illegal tobacco and cigarettes is down to white British organised scumbags who force corner shops into selling their ill gotten gains.As he stated his
colleagues that pedal these tax free cigarettes and tobacco in their corner shops are forced into dodgey dealings so have some pitty for them this coming eid.Its hard times 'init'.
Sir.I could start listing some of the offences and convictions over the past few months.Half of the Muslim Asian community in Colne have been banged up for Christmas and Eid for dealing heroin.Its Mr Khonat who as done the generalisation of the Blackburn public.And its Mr Khonat who as stated that his colleagues sell the contriband under pressure from organised criminals.
'Why dont they go to the police..?
'What are they affraid of..?
'What are they hiding..?
Come on Neesh...Sir why dont you tell all the nice ladies and gentlemen what the corner shop keepers are hiding from the Police...????
"ignorance is no defence"
neesh
says...
7:29pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:excuse me but i am from "round here",born and bred "round here"in fact. ignorance is no defence? so what do you suggest?do you want us to go around hacking phones and e mails to find out what everyone's up to?i'm not a journalist ,you know. i don't have time to go around sticking my nose everywhere, i'm too busy trying to earn a living.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
neesh
says...
7:36pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:and you seem to know alot about what's going on at all the newsagents and petrol stations so what have you done about it? you're certainly not ignorant to the facts,so what's your defence?
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
neesh
says...
7:36pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green
says...
7:38pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:My point is, you keep coming on here putting on links to videos saying how large corporations are exploiting and corrupting us and our children yet you are quite happy to let it occur elsewhere in the world for your own benefit, and then you have the front to call me a nazi.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:everything you buy from china and india made by children and made to break....bla bla bla...and you point is?
Lifeinthemix wrote:So, you are a smoker then, all them exploited children to get you your fix, your taste of freedom, whilst they work the chain gang. The only thing they get to choose is food or water. Heartbreaking.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
We don't have TV's where I live all the girls are girls and all the boys are boys Do you live in Royston Vasey?.
You need to be reprogrammed with taser therapy:0) just kidding.
Dusty Snatchmonger
says...
8:48pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:Cheers mister... you Rock !!
Dusty Snatchmonger wrote:merry christmas to your good self also.....Lifeinthemix wrote: the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or notOi ! I said Merry Christmas lol xxx
Lifeinthemix
says...
11:56pm Thu 22 Dec 11
Keep Darwen Green wrote:well you can stay in la la land or educate yourself, i do recall your point was about child labour, so perhaps a consitency course may help you first...
Lifeinthemix wrote:My point is, you keep coming on here putting on links to videos saying how large corporations are exploiting and corrupting us and our children yet you are quite happy to let it occur elsewhere in the world for your own benefit, and then you have the front to call me a nazi.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:everything you buy from china and india made by children and made to break....bla bla bla...and you point is?
Lifeinthemix wrote:So, you are a smoker then, all them exploited children to get you your fix, your taste of freedom, whilst they work the chain gang. The only thing they get to choose is food or water. Heartbreaking.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
We don't have TV's where I live all the girls are girls and all the boys are boys Do you live in Royston Vasey?.
You need to be reprogrammed with taser therapy:0) just kidding.
in the first instant, Clarkson did not declare he agreed people should be shot, he played it against the bbc.
he was having a laugh, you however i do believe from your comments, would be happy to have people who fail to come down to your level to be dealt with in the severest manner.
if your of the mind i do not see the reality i present as insane, then you are wrong, of course it is not i playing this reality merley presenting it to those who don't...just in case they care.
I think the clear problem is the fact you all feel what we are experiencing is like we have experienced before, that all will come right soon....this is not like anytime before, this is the culmination of the great work of the ages, they have the world at their mercy through the fiat currency, what they are aiming for is shutdown without anykind of move back to the world we know. and like one nation from 1933, their power is unescapable when ignorance is king and all will follow, this time they have the world in this trance, for which my good man you are a prime example.
apathy has become the religion of the human, evil is taking advantage of this and whos ganna stop it?
They aim to end the old world to be replaced with their idea of a new, the new means because they have global control, they can now let the cat out of the bag, and you can know you are slaves because you signed it so, you give your consent.
you c an fuss about green issues, you can fuss about street crime, all the while the banking cartel in collusion with our MPS, judicuiry and security services are raping the country through rehypothecation, and i guess you have no idea what that means, hence the destruction because you are not on your own, you have a lot of company in your tiny world..
but hey....you are more than entitled to your opinion
IvanDobsky
says...
11:54am Fri 23 Dec 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:So does that mean you like roll ups or filter tips best? i agree it would be better to grow your own, so there are no chemicals in them to keep them burning. But roll ups use less slave labour than filter tips. Anyway I didn't say all smokers should be shot, I said in the wise words of Jeremy Clarkson, who at what point would say all smokers should be shot being a very heavy smoker himself.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:well you can stay in la la land or educate yourself, i do recall your point was about child labour, so perhaps a consitency course may help you first...
Lifeinthemix wrote:My point is, you keep coming on here putting on links to videos saying how large corporations are exploiting and corrupting us and our children yet you are quite happy to let it occur elsewhere in the world for your own benefit, and then you have the front to call me a nazi.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:everything you buy from china and india made by children and made to break....bla bla bla...and you point is?
Lifeinthemix wrote:So, you are a smoker then, all them exploited children to get you your fix, your taste of freedom, whilst they work the chain gang. The only thing they get to choose is food or water. Heartbreaking.
Keep Darwen Green wrote:how do i promote smoking?
Lifeinthemix wrote:Hey up, he's alive. So you took my words as fact did you?
the keep darwen green nazi, I like how you use the term envirionment to cover your fascism, Mmm, you perhaps have learned the ways of NLP via your tv....or not
Funny how you're always on here about corporate world domination and the corruption of children yet encourage smoking!! who use child slave labour and pay using percentage of product. So in your opinion its okay to fund the taliban but not the rothschilds when both are guilty of killing maiming and exploitation.
Anyway, last time I tried to " grow my own ", the police confiscated all my plants and said it was a gangha factory. I thought all factories had closed down in this area. Trying to do a bit for unemployment has never been so difficult.
So on that score,less of the Nazi, you hypocritical Nazi.
people who smoke, smoke, nothing to do with me.
Hitler banned smoking to prevent gatherings of people, and the demolition of the pubs means more of you are stuck at home getting all your info from the tv.
I like freedom to choose
We don't have TV's where I live all the girls are girls and all the boys are boys Do you live in Royston Vasey?.
You need to be reprogrammed with taser therapy:0) just kidding.
in the first instant, Clarkson did not declare he agreed people should be shot, he played it against the bbc.
he was having a laugh, you however i do believe from your comments, would be happy to have people who fail to come down to your level to be dealt with in the severest manner.
if your of the mind i do not see the reality i present as insane, then you are wrong, of course it is not i playing this reality merley presenting it to those who don't...just in case they care.
I think the clear problem is the fact you all feel what we are experiencing is like we have experienced before, that all will come right soon....this is not like anytime before, this is the culmination of the great work of the ages, they have the world at their mercy through the fiat currency, what they are aiming for is shutdown without anykind of move back to the world we know. and like one nation from 1933, their power is unescapable when ignorance is king and all will follow, this time they have the world in this trance, for which my good man you are a prime example.
apathy has become the religion of the human, evil is taking advantage of this and whos ganna stop it?
They aim to end the old world to be replaced with their idea of a new, the new means because they have global control, they can now let the cat out of the bag, and you can know you are slaves because you signed it so, you give your consent.
you c an fuss about green issues, you can fuss about street crime, all the while the banking cartel in collusion with our MPS, judicuiry and security services are raping the country through rehypothecation, and i guess you have no idea what that means, hence the destruction because you are not on your own, you have a lot of company in your tiny world..
but hey....you are more than entitled to your opinion
Sometimes I think you just come on here to confuse yourself.
But if you, at some point, want to come up to my level of consciousness you must first cleanse and purge your body, mind and soul of all impurity and then your mind would be like a blank canvas ready for my new world teachings:0)
But if you want to smoke as some form of anti world domination protest, spark one up for me too, the rich corporations are killing you and the best thing is, you are happy to pay for it, with the world corporations wanting to reduce the population and shorten life expectancies, what better way than to alter your DNA using chemicals over a long time period and have you inject them directly into you via your lungs, all done of your own free will, or is it?, as you pass your now altered and deformed genes on to the next generation your DNA chain is being slowly erased, just seems a bit odd to me, given your stance on everything else. Do you want your bloodline to be erased?
First lesson after the purging you need to embrace this, Citizen Erased Muse 2001.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=4i9eIfsad
As
There is no need for you thank me at this juncture :0).
If you don't understand the lesson it can be summarised in the very last line, so pay attention!!!I don't give lessons twice.
Full Member
says...
1:47pm Fri 23 Dec 11
This sort of comment makes me wonder if people are losing grip on reality?? . .
The only reason any sane trader wouldn't want to purchase stock cheaper and therefore increase profit margin, is because they are threatened by an even more dangerous ORGANISED CRIME GANG who will ruin their lives.
Examples of what the so-called LAW will do to you after you've operated at low margins & paid thousands in tax at every stage
1 - Cripple you with fines
2 - Close your business
3 - See you and your family destitute
4 - Alienate you from society
and finally
5 - Imprison you
Now that's what I'd call a real Organised Gang
Full Member
says...
2:07pm Fri 23 Dec 11
It's all about "Taxation and Company Profits"
Hell fire!!
If any PROOF were needed that the whole thing is for their selfish interests, bear in mind what they are implying :-
"This and that tobacco is in the realms of the Dark and Dangerous Underworld, it contains chemicals that could damage your health but not ours (ours is proper tobacco) . . What the ****
. . . It's a sick joke on everyone
If they actually had any concerns for public health and not profit margins they'd cease production of the stuff and campaign for it to be banned completely.
Roll us another one Mr. Taxman.
Roll out the illicit Booze **** again
Full Member
says...
2:25pm Fri 23 Dec 11
Here's a short list of a few of the 599 chemicals added to "Good Lawful Cigarettes"
Benzene (petrol additive)
Obtained from coal and petroleum, used as a solvent in fuel and in chemical manufacture. A known carcinogen associated with leukaemia.
Formaldehyde (embalming fluid)
A colourless liquid, highly poisonous, used to preserve dead bodies
Known to cause cancer, respiratory, skin and gastrointestinal problems.
Ammonia (toilet cleaner)
Used as a flavouring, frees nicotine from tobacco turning it into a gas
Acetone (nail polish remover)
Fragrant volatile liquid ketone, used as a solvent
Tar : Once inhaled, smoke condenses and about 70 per cent of the tar in the smoke is deposited in the smoker's lungs.
Nicotine (insecticide/addicti
ve drug)
This is the chemical which causes addiction.
Carbon Monoxide (CO) (car exhaust fumes)
An odourless, tasteless and poisonous
Arsenic (rat poison)
Hydrogen Cyanide (gas chamber poison)
Your ferret stinks
says...
3:40pm Fri 23 Dec 11
neesh wrote:Typical hissy fit! As i said
Your ferret stinks wrote:excuse me but i am from "round here",born and bred "round here"in fact. ignorance is no defence? so what do you suggest?do you want us to go around hacking phones and e mails to find out what everyone's up to?i'm not a journalist ,you know. i don't have time to go around sticking my nose everywhere, i'm too busy trying to earn a living.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
"when it suits"!
Your ferret stinks
says...
3:40pm Fri 23 Dec 11
neesh wrote:Typical hissy fit! As i said
Your ferret stinks wrote:excuse me but i am from "round here",born and bred "round here"in fact. ignorance is no defence? so what do you suggest?do you want us to go around hacking phones and e mails to find out what everyone's up to?i'm not a journalist ,you know. i don't have time to go around sticking my nose everywhere, i'm too busy trying to earn a living.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
"when it suits"!
neesh
says...
6:37pm Fri 23 Dec 11
Your ferret stinks wrote:i see you've ignored my other comment,the one where i've pointed out that you seem to know a lot about what's going on at newsagents and petrol stations and asking you what YOU'VE done about it.?you're not ignorant to the facts,so what's your defense? or are you a 'typical hissy fit'? when it suits?
neesh wrote:Typical hissy fit! As i said
Your ferret stinks wrote:excuse me but i am from "round here",born and bred "round here"in fact. ignorance is no defence? so what do you suggest?do you want us to go around hacking phones and e mails to find out what everyone's up to?i'm not a journalist ,you know. i don't have time to go around sticking my nose everywhere, i'm too busy trying to earn a living.
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
"when it suits"!
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neesh wrote:why have you ignored this comment?does it not suit?
Your ferret stinks wrote:and you seem to know alot about what's going on at all the newsagents and petrol stations so what have you done about it? you're certainly not ignorant to the facts,so what's your defence?
Being sold in 'back allys and car parks' my ar5e try every newsagents and every petrol station then you start to scratch the surface, and while your at it look out for extensive lists of mobile phone numbers under the till so that the shop keeper can tell the kids the coast is clear to come in to collect their bottles of WKD!
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The facts of the matter speak for themslves as quoted below, which in itself is a clear admission of guilt! The very people who you are trying to defend by pleading your ignorance have openly admitted that they do sell these illegal products and that it is quite common and wide spread.
Read the extract from the article below then go argue about somthing constructive.
Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
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Your ferret stinks wrote:hello stinky.just to make it clear, i'm not defending anyone,and now that the shopkeepers have admitted their crimes,let's hope the law deals with them accordingly.merry christmas, and a happy new year.have a good time and wash your ferret.
Hello Neesh have you calmed down now?
The facts of the matter speak for themslves as quoted below, which in itself is a clear admission of guilt! The very people who you are trying to defend by pleading your ignorance have openly admitted that they do sell these illegal products and that it is quite common and wide spread.
Read the extract from the article below then go argue about somthing constructive.
Solly Khonat, Blackburn newsagent and president of the National Federation of retail Newsagents, said: “The link to organised crime gangs is very worrying. I speak with colleagues who are threatened with violence if they don’t stock the gangs’ counterfeit brands.
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