Scheme to spot potential right-wing extremists in Lancashire (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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Scheme to spot potential right-wing extremists in Lancashire
9:00am Monday 15th August 2011 in News
POTENTIAL right-wing extremists in Lancashire are to be spotlighted in a scheme originally set up to track would-be terrorists following the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks.
Police said the ground-breaking counter-terrorism programme Channel, which has so far concentrated at Islamic extremism, has been widened to take account of the rise in right-wing extremism in the county.
Parents, teachers, community leaders and police officers are referring children and young adults who they feel may be at risk of being radicalised by groups such as the English Defence League.
Officers who run the Channel project said they had redrafted programmes and guidance in response to the growth of right-wing organisations.
The move comes after Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Brevik was said to have been motivated by his extreme right-wing ideologies.
Since April’s high-profile EDL demonstration and counter-protest in Blackburn, in which 12 people were arrested, police said the project has received a number of referrals.
Channel is a national safeguarding initiative for individuals considered vulnerable to recruitment by violent extremists.
It is an early intervention strand of the Government’s counter-terrorism ‘Prevent’ strategy.
Insp Bilal Mulla, Lancashire’s Channel co-ordinator, said: “Channel is not a tool for spying.
"It is making people understand there may be vulnerable people who are targeted by those with radical views who had a different agenda.
“It is not about criminalising people, it is early intervention before radicalisation.
“Think about what happened in Norway. Do we really want that sort of thing to happen in Lancashire?”
Insp Mulla said he wanted to encourage people to refer any ‘signposts’ of right-wing or other types of extremism to his team.
“It is not much different to child sexual exploitation.
"It can happen online and people are ‘groomed’ into a certain belief and ideology.
“We are constantly seeking more referrals and we want people to understand what we do and what Channel is for.
"It is about us building trust and confidence and making sure the right messages get out.
“We put interventions in place, not investigations.
"If someone is not suited for the Channel project, we pass them on to other authorities such as Youth Offending, mental health practitioners, probation for example.
"Just because Channel doesn’t take them on, doesn’t mean there are not other interventions available.”
Since the EDL protest and counter-demonstration was held, Channel has had referrals from adults concerned about children being ‘radicalised’.
They said they had to update their literature to cater for the threat to community cohesion from right-wing groups.
Insp Mulla said: “We get referrals from a wide range of agencies and yes, more of these referrals are now for people associated with groups like the EDL.”
In one case, a teacher referred a pupil for a race hate crime.
His school is now working with the Channel team to look at his behaviour and his case will be put before the next panel later this month.
Insp Mulla said: “Teachers should be looking out for key indicators.
"Is the child not engaging with other communities? Are they writing concerning things in their exercise books like the 7/7 bombers did?
“We did have a number of individuals reported to us by our colleagues in the police after the EDL march.
“There were signs of vulnerability and it was right of the officers to flag it up.
“We spoke to their parents and dealt with it as low level criminality.”
The Channel programme has recently been streamlined to bring together experts from all agencies in the county to sit on one panel every two months, giving a more consistent approach to the referrals they assess from across Lancashire.
Lancashire’s counter-terrorism exercise ACT (All Communities Together) Now, which was the first of its kind in the country in 2008, has also seen a shift in emphasis to include right-wing extremism scenarios.
Community Cohesion Sgt Colin Dassow, who runs the courses, said: “Right-wing extremism is having a big influence on what we do.”
To contact Channel, call 01254 353638.
Comments(41)
jackslad1955
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9:37am Mon 15 Aug 11
Mikeee47
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9:46am Mon 15 Aug 11
Hopping mad wrote:It always has been, you took the words out of my mouth, No doubt we'll be the 1st on the watch list now.
Pathetic. This is definitly loaded on one side and the authorities ask people to trust them.
The quicker my family and I get out of this country the better. I have never known a state more determined to alienate its own people, right wing, left wing, who cares.
What is wrong with the people in this country, why are you affraid to say NO!
I feel bitter that I am becomming a 2nd class citizen in my own country, doesn't want to make me go out and shoot 100s of people, I know the diference between right and wrong as do my family, This guy in Denmark has a screw loose. these are the people YOU should be watching.
Troy McCLur
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10:02am Mon 15 Aug 11
Hopping mad wrote:Exactly! Totally agree!
Pathetic. This is definitly loaded on one side and the authorities ask people to trust them.
The quicker my family and I get out of this country the better. I have never known a state more determined to alienate its own people, right wing, left wing, who cares.
The state wants to mind control our kids who would only become right wing as a natural course of social balance, since the balance is currently way off kilter.
will12
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10:16am Mon 15 Aug 11
You will find the root of the problem, when you answer the question, why were the EDL formed?
No, not to be a "far-right wing" group, but a voice to be heard, after the last 40 years of anything and everything that is "racist" to a minority in this Country, being swept under the carpet time and time again.
And the word "racist" is used at every opportunity !!!! You call somebody, fat, thin, tall, short, whatever, and you are called a "racist", because people don't have a clue what it means !!! they then use it, because once the word is used, you are then a CRIMINAL for using the word. So much so, that a recent exchange of polite words, with a young asian (born in the UK, so is he not British) of the heritage of historically Pakistani Parents, or Grandparents, or Great Grandparents, and I use the word polite, because of the PC world we live in, in a Retail Outlet, and he was asked to bring the Manager, who was a white, presume, British, PC again !!! male. The Manager agreed with myself as to the course of a very calm conversation over the situation, and I was accused of being "racist", just because he disagreed with me and the Manager, and then told us both, "that he couldn't be "racist" because racism was only for "white " people against him and of people his colour, and that he could never be racist" !!!
And that is a product of the PC Brigade !!!!
Why do the PC Brigade try to make me feel like I am the one that has moved to the UK, and the fact that being English, of whatever colour, creed or religion, that if your English, you ARE a Second Class Citizen. And to make my case, an employee of Pendle Council, was told to remove a St George's Cross Bandana, and never to wear it again, because in the words of the Council Spokesperson (PC again !!!), " it may offend or intimidate pepole that were not from this Country", and to be PC, the guy was of, African, African-American or West Indian appearance, or very sun-tanned!!!
The Left Wing Media, have labelled the EDL far right, and anyone associated with them, but people just want Common Sense to prevail, and stop sweeping what is "not PC" under the carpet, time and time again.
If I wanted to Emigrate to another Country, then I would firstly learn to speak the language, and then bring myself up to speed with the Laws of that Country, as an example Spain, and make sure I had the Funds to live there. They would be the first 2 basic steps to take, yet anyone coming to the UK, money is thrown at you from the moment you set foot on this beautiful Island, as well as an House, Medical Care, Education etc etc etc, even if your gaining illegal entry, and there are always the Human Rights Lawyer's, who only seem to practice in the UK, who protect you from deportation, at a Cost to our Legal System, and then if you say anything that PC World don't like your a "racist".
And above is what people are thinking, because if the words are spoken then your labelled by the Left Wing PC World as being a ".racist".
No doubt I will be labelled as a raicist for this comment or, it will not pass the Left Wing Media Censorship that allows an open debate, in a Free Democratic Country that Our Brave Troops, Past and Present have fought and died for and are still doing so as I speak, God Bless every one of them, because Our Debt to them We can Never Re-Pay.
255.255.255.0
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10:22am Mon 15 Aug 11
maniac
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10:28am Mon 15 Aug 11
Seneca
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11:00am Mon 15 Aug 11
Anybody connected to UAF, Socialist Workers Party, National Union of Students, National Front, BNP, EDL, Anit-abortionists, Animal Rights, CND, liberty, amnesty international, Union Activists, and Anyone on the Telegraph site suggesting that Salim Mulla is less honest than he ought to be is on a government data-base as a potential threat.
nil by mouth
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11:30am Mon 15 Aug 11
BuckoTheMoose
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11:45am Mon 15 Aug 11
The EDL are not right wing extremists and they certainly aren't terrorists.
Did you notice they were also compared to Peados in that article? Very clever.
If you need to save money on the police budget you know where to start.
Insp Bilal Mulla
Community Cohesion Sgt Colin Dassow
Channel
berniep
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12:38pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Mosque,s are the biggest breeding grounds for extremism & the people who frequent them the biggest threat to global safety.
berniep
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12:44pm Mon 15 Aug 11
abdullah
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12:50pm Mon 15 Aug 11
undu,gay groups,anyone that seems below their high Aryan supreme racial standards.Today muslims tomorrow its the rest of us.The leasdership of the EDL are made of ex BNP members,who knows if they are secretly working with the BNP.Anders Breivik the EDL hero who massacred innocent people is a great beleiver in the EDL cause who has immense love for this group.Since he clearly eas influenced by the EDL it makes you think how many more Breiviks are out their who have been indoctrinated by the EDL.A s for the riots in England,where were the EDL,youre absence on the streets showed what a bunch of cowards you are.You were too busy helping yourselves looting,thats where you were,shame on you,youre no patriots youre traitors
abdullah
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1:07pm Mon 15 Aug 11
ging youre way to freebies.
maniac
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1:07pm Mon 15 Aug 11
abdullah
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1:10pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Excluded again
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2:04pm Mon 15 Aug 11
This programme was brought ib following the mass murders by Islamic extremists on 9/11 and 7/7. Now have had mass murder by right wing extremists, we need to be on our guard against them.
No bias. Those groups with links to people who commit terrorist mass murder must be kept under scrutiny by our security services.
voiceofreason1999
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2:11pm Mon 15 Aug 11
The think I don’t understand as well is how one day the EDL are not a political party, the next when it it suits them they are?
Just think there are bad apples in every barrel and its the people who can see this that perpetuate this hatred.
HelmshoreBoy
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2:41pm Mon 15 Aug 11
It isn't justifiable when all these cuts are taking place at the sharp end. This type of job should be the first to go or am I going to be typecast as a right wing radical?
Jobs for the boys?
peely
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6:13pm Mon 15 Aug 11
This will only get worse - its time for the decent ordinary people in this country to stand up and be counted and say enough is enough - but i wouldn,t bank on it !!
PorkyChopper
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7:03pm Mon 15 Aug 11
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This is the sort of thing the USSR used to do, putting "dissidents" in mental hospitals.
Abdullah. There were plenty of people on the streets, whom the media claimed were "EDL members".
Unlike the sword brandishing Sikhs in Southall, stating they were ready to "take the law into their own hands", the Turks in Dalston who chased would-be looters with baseball bats and two foot long kebab knives, and the Pakistanis in Birmingham, who were also "defending their communities", these White working class men were attacked by the police, bitten by police dogs, and branded as "vigilante mobs".
Mind how you go.
jack daniels
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8:16pm Mon 15 Aug 11
abdullah wrote:What an absolute load of rubbish and your comment about the EDL having anything to do with Anders Breivik shows how susceptible people like you are to media spin. Your naivety is compounded by your comment on the absence of the EDL on the street of England’s cities. The media would have had a field day if the EDL had started fighting with other groups of people, especially people of African, Jamaican or Indian/Pakistani heritage.
Its about time that the EDL was put under the limelight since it is the breeding ground for violent terrorists who subscribed to the fascist idelogy of Hitler.These Aryan supremacists are disguising themselves as being anti-muslim when they really are fascists whose real agenda which is hidden is one of hatred towards jewish,muslim,sikh,h
undu,gay groups,anyone that seems below their high Aryan supreme racial standards.Today muslims tomorrow its the rest of us.The leasdership of the EDL are made of ex BNP members,who knows if they are secretly working with the BNP.Anders Breivik the EDL hero who massacred innocent people is a great beleiver in the EDL cause who has immense love for this group.Since he clearly eas influenced by the EDL it makes you think how many more Breiviks are out their who have been indoctrinated by the EDL.A s for the riots in England,where were the EDL,youre absence on the streets showed what a bunch of cowards you are.You were too busy helping yourselves looting,thats where you were,shame on you,youre no patriots youre traitors
By all means ridicule the EDL, but please do so with a sense of realism.
jack daniels
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8:19pm Mon 15 Aug 11
abdullah wrote:If you have proof that members of the EDL conducted any looting and rampaging then please share this with the Police. If not, then please refrain from making up lies to re-enforce your narrow minded bigotry.
Sikhs,muslims in Birmingham are a prime example of communities getting together to defend properties,places of worship whilst the riots were going on.Any examples of the EDL doing similar work,i dont think so.Tariq Jahan a muslim who lost his son spoke in a humble,peaceful manner for all communities to work together.This after losing his son this is the true muslim spirit,which the EDL will never extinguish.Turkish muslims in Dalston defended their communities has the EDL acknowledgeed their contributions?? Where were you lot the EDL louts i wonder,looting.rampa
ging youre way to freebies.
jack daniels
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8:32pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Are we not allowed a say in what we have to endure?
It is always the ‘great and the good’ in their lovely middle class homes, away from the detritus of multicultural communities, that tell us how nice it is. Deep down, anybody who has seen their street become increasingly Asian, only knows what an awful experience it is. To be racially victimised in your own street, surrounded by people who choose to speak a different language – people who decide not to learn yours – shows what a f*** up this has all become.
If this is extremism, then we have already lost to the quislings that govern us.
security word 'need-hope'. Only it may be too late
paul lancashire
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8:58pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Seneca
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10:04pm Mon 15 Aug 11
paul lancashire wrote:'we will fill you in' means something different in my area. LOL
An absolute joke! How much money are we wasting on this ?. For those who are not familiar with the EDL I am EDL's organiser for the Northwest. I am offering the Lancashire constabulary / councils a chance to save all that cash and come see me, i could educate you on what really happen's in the EDL in Lancashire. No1 - THERE ARE NO EXTREMISTS ,No2 IF I OR OTHER ORGANISERS SEE SUPPORTERS BEING RADICAL OR EXTREME ie ,SINGING TOO LOUDLY or WAVING THEIR COUNTRYS FLAG A LITTLE TO VIOLENTLY WE HAVE A QUIET WORD. if you want to know more call ,we will fill you in... instead of listening to second hand BS ! (like that mug in the sunday star who was in bnp/edl before he was lured to searchlight/UAF by money and book offers.... yeah a real trustworthy opinion
Livingtype
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10:09pm Mon 15 Aug 11
People need to re- educate themselves open their eyes and wake up!
The EDL are not a threat whatsoever....we all know what is .... Islamifacation of Britain! There is too much focus on the EDL as they are constantly branded racist thugs and hooligans! I noticed that there wasn't a mention about the MDL (Muslim defence league) and why is that?...., oh, that's right - can't mention them or you might get into trouble for being racist. I am disgusted with the way people are treated. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech and have democratic rights!!! There are many EDL members who have had that taken from them, why! They are being gagged from having a voice and speaking up about the REAL THREAT which is Islamifacation of England and to ban Sharia Law.
Dispatches the TV programme secretly filmed Islamic schools and it showed the teachers preaching hate against White people. Why isn't there a mention in the article to combat this too!
Let's not forget the who was behind the terrorist attacks of 9/11 & 7/7 .....MUSLIMS! Not the EDL!
You can be any race/ colour and say you're proud of it, but you can't be White and British and proud of it,that is seen as a racist remark.
There are immigrants that's sneak there way into to England rape the system, kill people and they are given a slap on the wrists and are able to reside in this country because deporting them would breach their human rights. It's no wonder that the country is the way it is!
Again and again there is one law for the foreigners which is favourable to them and another law for the indigenous people of this country.
When anyone in authority can prove that the EDL commit mass murder, plant bombs, plot acts of terrorism, commit honour killings, starts the grooming of young girls to be drugged and raped, then I would agree that theres a problem. The facts are the EDL aren't the ones that are cause of the problems, they are the ones who have the guts and determination to put an end to it!!!
Mill62
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10:28pm Mon 15 Aug 11
You are supposed to be non political.
This is why I hate the police.
WhiteRider
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11:06pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Keep Darwen Green
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11:29pm Mon 15 Aug 11
Excluded again wrote:Well put, there are weirdo's under any religious or ethnic banner
We need to keep an eye on all extremists and terrorist threats. This programme was brought ib following the mass murders by Islamic extremists on 9/11 and 7/7. Now have had mass murder by right wing extremists, we need to be on our guard against them. No bias. Those groups with links to people who commit terrorist mass murder must be kept under scrutiny by our security services.
Keep Darwen Green
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11:33pm Mon 15 Aug 11
WhiteRider wrote:Its okay Camerons here to fix broken britain. If he keeps fixing it at this rate, it will be mended beyond repair.
This just shows the utter hypocrisy of the police and the state. It has been Labour that has deliberately flooded this country with cheap labour from abroad in a deliberate attempt to keep a downward pressure British workers wages, but they have also done something much worse than that, it was they who by design deliberately tried to eradicate British racial and cultural identity by accelerated immigration into this country, it is they who are responsible for a cultural genocide not the so called ‘far right’ it is the far left that are the real extremists and who need to be exposed.
Cameron, Condems, Guilty
outraged1234
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6:52am Tue 16 Aug 11
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” — Cicero, Roman statesman and lawyer.
Chris P Bacon
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7:02am Tue 16 Aug 11
WhiteRider wrote:And a new low in the sad litany of nonsense all too frequently posted on this site Blind ignorance of such bitter, soul-corroding hatred. If someone wrecks a house and **** all over the floor, blame the previous owners who moved out 18 months ago. What a brilliant idea. You moron.
This just shows the utter hypocrisy of the police and the state. It has been Labour that has deliberately flooded this country with cheap labour from abroad in a deliberate attempt to keep a downward pressure British workers wages, but they have also done something much worse than that, it was they who by design deliberately tried to eradicate British racial and cultural identity by accelerated immigration into this country, it is they who are responsible for a cultural genocide not the so called ‘far right’ it is the far left that are the real extremists and who need to be exposed.
outraged1234
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7:05am Tue 16 Aug 11
maniac
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8:14am Tue 16 Aug 11
midas
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9:15am Tue 16 Aug 11
maniac wrote:"no political ambition" is very different to "no political ambitions for the present time".
once and for all the EDL IS NOT A POLITICAL PARTY READ OUR MISSION STATEMENT JUST GOOGLE EDL ITS ON OUR WEBSITE if anyone can prove the EDL is apolitcal party i will personally give them 1000 pounds and publically apologies however if the are found to be wrong I need to be paid 1000 pounds -any takers. THE EDL is a street movement with no political ambitions for the present time.I thank you for your indulgence for reading this post i sincerly hope the police read it to and start to look for the real criminals this will save them more time and money than this utterly stupid scheme.
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You would almost think that you are waiting to generate a groundswell of support before members stand for office in places like Burnley, Keighley, Oldham, Halifax, (or any of the other BNP targeted areas!)
voiceofreason1999
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12:17pm Tue 16 Aug 11
The edl seem to be the activist wing of the BMP from what I see, just like back in Ireland.
maniac
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12:19am Wed 17 Aug 11
As for snide remarks about the EDL has political aspirations is utter nonesence dream on. the truth is obvious if we became a political party we would probably end up like labour, lib-dems or the conservatives. You cant get in your little minds minds that are members can be members of all parties except the extreme left or the extreme right and that we are only a street movement of patriotic people who except all religions except extremists and we dont accept pompous idiots or liars like some people posting here. have some proof of what you say or dont say it rumour mongering is destroying this country. donot go back several years and dig up old stories look honestly if you can at the last 12 months, you will be surprised. peace and no surrender.
twisted
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10:23am Wed 17 Aug 11
Excluded again wrote:Just to put the record straight, not one single shred of evidence has ever been produced by anybody to show who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks - there is certainly no evidence that any muslim or islamist was responsible for that attack. Although if 'excluded' has any inside info on this I expect he/she will put it forward for the benefit of the rest of us.
We need to keep an eye on all extremists and terrorist threats.
This programme was brought ib following the mass murders by Islamic extremists on 9/11 and 7/7. Now have had mass murder by right wing extremists, we need to be on our guard against them.
No bias. Those groups with links to people who commit terrorist mass murder must be kept under scrutiny by our security services.
What is certain is that it's high time the sundry thugs, drunks, racists and vandals who comprise the edl were investigated, and their divisive activities curtailed.
Andrea2009
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11:00am Wed 17 Aug 11
abdullah wrote:I do agree the EDL should be removed from the spot light , while the only spotlight they recieve is bad press and lies , i have watched this group for a long time and while I admit when u have 90.000 people on a fan page you will get some comments which are racist the true EDL members seem to have one agenda and no abdullah it isnt anti muslim its anit extreme islam they cant seriously be believed to be against jews when they have jewish members and a sikh who goes to all demonstartions . Also nowhere have i seen them condone the norway tradgedy anyone condoning that or even saying others do must have some sick sense of humour nobody in there right mind could condone that and i believe on bbc news Mr Steven Lennon expressed his disgust at what had happened and his sympathies were given to all involved . In my mind where ever you get a group of people wether it be a football match , a pop concert , or an EDL demo you will always get one of two bad apples in every sack that ruin it for the rest , have you ever thought if the news and the press printed less about the bad side and more about the good impressionable teens wouldnt be interested , instead you print how racist they are and how they like to fight etc etc thats a dream to a lot of teenage boys growing up in a high muslim propulation it is the news papers and people like you who encourage teens to look into it nothing more . Also if you did a little research as i did you would find that EDL members went out the day after the first riots to help clean up and come on lets face it if they went out first night to help in the press eyes they would of caused it , and the following evening they went out to help the public proptect there properties but no they didnt wear there colours to turn it into a circus they went out as public which is what they are . Also Mr Lennon admits and has never hidden he joined the BNP he thought that was his way forward in his beliefs but he soon found it was not , we have all made mistakes in life we have all voted wrong but i do feel that people should do more research about this group before condemning them and by research i mean listen to there side read there website watch what they do , because while the papers report 5 EDL members arrested the dont tell you of the other 3000 that behaved . Sorry but i hate people being condemned for what they believed in it is wrong the one thing we are meant to have here is freedom of speech .
Its about time that the EDL was put under the limelight since it is the breeding ground for violent terrorists who subscribed to the fascist idelogy of Hitler.These Aryan supremacists are disguising themselves as being anti-muslim when they really are fascists whose real agenda which is hidden is one of hatred towards jewish,muslim,sikh,h
undu,gay groups,anyone that seems below their high Aryan supreme racial standards.Today muslims tomorrow its the rest of us.The leasdership of the EDL are made of ex BNP members,who knows if they are secretly working with the BNP.Anders Breivik the EDL hero who massacred innocent people is a great beleiver in the EDL cause who has immense love for this group.Since he clearly eas influenced by the EDL it makes you think how many more Breiviks are out their who have been indoctrinated by the EDL.A s for the riots in England,where were the EDL,youre absence on the streets showed what a bunch of cowards you are.You were too busy helping yourselves looting,thats where you were,shame on you,youre no patriots youre traitors
Cathan2
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4:39pm Fri 19 Aug 11
Do you fear the fundamental Christian evangelicals with puritanical ideas of theocratic rule? Some christian groups are more talibanic than the Taliban.
The nation surely doesn't wish for the nazification of society and state? Nor the nazification of any religion.
Any Extreme group would like free and easy access to young people to recruit, brain-wash and use as shouty little soldiers on the frontline. Dispensable bomb fodder for Old men to feel powerful and in control.
There are a whole range of religions and political systems out there that want the world's kidz for deadly gains. e.g. Diamonds, drugs and gods.
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Hopping mad says...
9:29am Mon 15 Aug 11
The quicker my family and I get out of this country the better. I have never known a state more determined to alienate its own people, right wing, left wing, who cares.