Lancashire Police Federation 'disgusted' at Conservative MPs (From Lancashire Telegraph)

By Jasus O'Reilly, "bombard the MP's with protests" Wots all thad about Extra Overtime to Police the protests c'mon get with it Mon!!!!!!!!!

Why don't they start by reducing the number of police cars that they are paying out for and put the bobbies back on the beat. This will bring their profile back up to what it used to be and help reduce crime which means they will not be paying rediculus amounts of overtime because they can't manage the work load with the number of bobbies available. If we tried to go back to how things used to run then maybe we could get more for our tax. I'm not know the bobbies they do what they can but it's how it's managed that needs looking at.

why not ban the counter protests happening on the same day in the same town as a protest which will eliminate antagonism and hardly need policing at all.

Firstly Tyrone, no officers were paid overtime for the EDL march. All officers deployed onthe operation had their day off work cancelled, and were given the opportunity to take another shift off work instead.

Atticman, it seems odd that you think that by reducing the number of cars that crime will be reduced. For a start, community beat officers and PCSO's increase the visibility of the Police. But, if a emergency response officer is taken from their car their impact is dramatically reduced. What was a 2 minute drive to an ongoing assault would then become a 30 minute walk. Therefor what would have been a bruise or two, my increase to a wounding or even murder. Due to the increased response times from bobbies being on foot would lead to offenders fleeing the scene, suicidal persons carrying our their intentions, crime increase, detection decrease etc.

I appreciate that seeing an officer on foot is reassuring, but taking an officer from their car is massively adverse on how effectively they can respond.

You might have your own personal issues with the police, but it might be worth thinking before you type.

Cupofbeans wrote:
Firstly Tyrone, no officers were paid overtime for the EDL march. All officers deployed onthe operation had their day off work cancelled, and were given the opportunity to take another shift off work instead.

Atticman, it seems odd that you think that by reducing the number of cars that crime will be reduced. For a start, community beat officers and PCSO's increase the visibility of the Police. But, if a emergency response officer is taken from their car their impact is dramatically reduced. What was a 2 minute drive to an ongoing assault would then become a 30 minute walk. Therefor what would have been a bruise or two, my increase to a wounding or even murder. Due to the increased response times from bobbies being on foot would lead to offenders fleeing the scene, suicidal persons carrying our their intentions, crime increase, detection decrease etc.

I appreciate that seeing an officer on foot is reassuring, but taking an officer from their car is massively adverse on how effectively they can respond.

You might have your own personal issues with the police, but it might be worth thinking before you type.

I have no problem with the police, I have close family and friends in the job. My comment was more about management. I never said get rid of all cars but reducing certain things may help. We could still have response teams but more police on the street in the communities would be a deterrent in alot of the petty crime that is costing the TAX payer more than the odd murder here and there. A police person tucked away in the dead of night can hear and observe much more than two sat in a car being seen from hundreds of yards away. There's also alot of places a car can't get that a person on foot can patrol.
It's a suggestion and I think sometimes returning to old ways sometimes works better than the new ones.

abolish football matches.this should stir things up lol. i hate football

'Mr Berry could not be contacted for comment.'

Your reporter probably made the mistake of trying to find him Darwen or Rossendale. Try Cheshire.

Jake Berry has never voted against his party and I'll be surprised if he ever does.

Excluded again wrote:
'Mr Berry could not be contacted for comment.'

Your reporter probably made the mistake of trying to find him Darwen or Rossendale. Try Cheshire.

'Mr Berry could not be contacted for comment.'
Your reporter probably made the mistake of trying to find him Darwen or Rossendale. Try Cheshire.

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Or Kenya... or Covent Garden...

Atticman wrote:
Why don't they start by reducing the number of police cars that they are paying out for and put the bobbies back on the beat. This will bring their profile back up to what it used to be and help reduce crime which means they will not be paying rediculus amounts of overtime because they can't manage the work load with the number of bobbies available. If we tried to go back to how things used to run then maybe we could get more for our tax. I'm not know the bobbies they do what they can but it's how it's managed that needs looking at.

It’s interesting to note the suggestion that reducing the number of police cars will in some way save front line Police Officers because the author is absolutely correct. That is why Lancashire Constabulary with the full support of the Police Federation and the Unions carried out over 50 Organisational Reviews (OR’s) into all areas of business to make savings where they can be made. One of those OR’s was into ‘fleet’ and the outcome was that indeed they have chosen to reduce the number of police cars. However despite all the savings from the OR's, The public of Lancashire WILL loose around 800 Police Officers due to Government cuts to Policing.

PolFed wrote:

Atticman wrote: Why don't they start by reducing the number of police cars that they are paying out for and put the bobbies back on the beat. This will bring their profile back up to what it used to be and help reduce crime which means they will not be paying rediculus amounts of overtime because they can't manage the work load with the number of bobbies available. If we tried to go back to how things used to run then maybe we could get more for our tax. I'm not know the bobbies they do what they can but it's how it's managed that needs looking at.

It’s interesting to note the suggestion that reducing the number of police cars will in some way save front line Police Officers because the author is absolutely correct. That is why Lancashire Constabulary with the full support of the Police Federation and the Unions carried out over 50 Organisational Reviews (OR’s) into all areas of business to make savings where they can be made. One of those OR’s was into ‘fleet’ and the outcome was that indeed they have chosen to reduce the number of police cars. However despite all the savings from the OR's, The public of Lancashire WILL loose around 800 Police Officers due to Government cuts to Policing.

Thank you for supporting my theory.
We need the police more now than we ever have and I support them totally and they do an excellent job. But if losing a few cars ect in order to save jobs I'm all for it. I believe it's upto the managment to get things right so we get the best out of this service and the people that have chosen to commit themselves to the job.
I also back this goverment and believe that they know what is needed to clean up the financal mess the last goverment have left us with. Cut's in this time of economical crisis are needed if we are to survive as a country. It's just ashame that it's the hard working people that seem to bare the brunt of them.

The Conservatives were always known as the party that are tough on crime and a party that supports policing. This has however changed. There are certain services that should not be be cut. These are essential. The decisions that these MP's are making could take years to reverse. Police officers cannot be employed one day, and they on the streets the day after. It takes years to get a police officer to a high level of skill. Similar to NHS, MOD etc. Vital skills/experience are being lost.

from Cupofbeans - "What was a 2 minute drive to an ongoing assault would then become a 30 minute walk."
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If there was a police station in every settlement then the walk would be shorter: some readers will remember when there were more rural police stations, quite like that tv show whereon we hear 60s music. And might an ongoing assault merit at least a quick march?

from darwen sense - "It takes years to get a police officer to a high level of skill. Similar to NHS, MOD etc."
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And then they go and spoil it all by killing Hayley Adamson, Jean Charles de Menezes, Ian Tomlinson and the rest.