East Lancs doctor: ban non-MMR kids from school (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I think its time these health fascists were shown the door, we even have dentist leadrs saying, if they dont believe you have cleaned your teeth their way they will withdraw nhs treatment, who do they think they are? I would suggest they pay back the nhs the cost of the training and sling their hook.

I cant see a problem with Dr Bhatti's comments, just as long as before the injection is given he signs to say that it is 100% safe and in the event of a child having an adverse reaction or long term health issue,arising from the injection,he and the health profession will pay all costs and compensation.
If he is so sure then he wont have any issues signing such a document, will he ???

parents who choose to not let thier children have these jabs have usually considered the risks involved, the kids who have had them are safe so where is the problem?
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Do they think that they won't still potentially be in contact with children that are not innoculated, at brownies, in the public parks and swimming pools, at the cinema, going to the shops etc etc etc!

useyourhead wrote:
parents who choose to not let thier children have these jabs have usually considered the risks involved, the kids who have had them are safe so where is the problem? - Do they think that they won't still potentially be in contact with children that are not innoculated, at brownies, in the public parks and swimming pools, at the cinema, going to the shops etc etc etc!

Do you really think so? People who actually consider the risk will realise that not only is it irresponsible not to have their children immunised but their is no evidence (thats proper peer reviewed published evidence, not pseduo science) to the contrary

Maybe this doctor should start by telling parents to have their offspring vaccinated against TB as well.

midas wrote:

useyourhead wrote:
parents who choose to not let thier children have these jabs have usually considered the risks involved, the kids who have had them are safe so where is the problem? - Do they think that they won't still potentially be in contact with children that are not innoculated, at brownies, in the public parks and swimming pools, at the cinema, going to the shops etc etc etc!

Do you really think so? People who actually consider the risk will realise that not only is it irresponsible not to have their children immunised but their is no evidence (thats proper peer reviewed published evidence, not pseduo science) to the contrary

Midas got that one exactly right.

if they try to get shirty copy the following letter and hand it to whomever is demanding anything vaccinations :

Vaccination Letter To Present To Schools Against Vaccinating Your Child
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http://www.lifeinthe
mixtalk.com/?p=4596
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If you receive a Vaccination Summons copy the following reply and send back to origin of summonse :
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http://www.lifeinthe
mixtalk.com/?p=4044
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What parents need to be fully aware of is the fact through the various letters brought home by your children have had you sign into statutes which give the schools the power to play such games.
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if you feel you have signed such unwittingly, which most have, then give the schools notice of your retraction of all signatures based in the fact they were gained deceptively.
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Remember as the parent and an adult you have the power unless you give that power away

mavrick, Gt. Harwood
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These demands come not from the civil mandated NHS they come from the corporate NHS.
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the former is under the control of the office of government, not the government, the latter is pure corporations aka the pharmaceutical corps.
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they are using the title NHS to deceptively get you to sign permissions for the corporations to hold and use all your medical data in real time. they already have access to these records but without your permission they cannot use them in the civil system, try this report to see the game :
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http://www.lifeinthe
mixtalk.com/?p=18120


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Chris P Bacon wrote:

midas wrote:

useyourhead wrote: parents who choose to not let thier children have these jabs have usually considered the risks involved, the kids who have had them are safe so where is the problem? - Do they think that they won't still potentially be in contact with children that are not innoculated, at brownies, in the public parks and swimming pools, at the cinema, going to the shops etc etc etc!

Do you really think so? People who actually consider the risk will realise that not only is it irresponsible not to have their children immunised but their is no evidence (thats proper peer reviewed published evidence, not pseduo science) to the contrary

Midas got that one exactly right.

what i am pointing out is that if they choose to not get the vaccinations for thier kids they are fully aware (because they will have recieved countless lectures and leaflets) that, in the event of an outbreak thier children may die.
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it's thier decision, the kids who have been vaccinated will be ok so why the fuss about unvaccinated kids going to school? if they do survive they will need an education, like everyone!

Dr Bhatti states “I respect parent's choosing not to vaccinate their children", clearly not true from his other comments.

You can respect someones rights to believe in something even if you know its wrong. For example, I respect those people who support Rovers even though its wrong to do so!

There is a myth in the medical world which is usually referred to as 'herd immunity'. It is a myth because there is no actual evidence that 'herd immunity' exists, but this is the reason that every year many small children suffer serious febrile conditions that in a number of cases leads to serious illness and in a handful, to death.

Mine is not a hysterical reaction. The information published by the vaccine manufacturers documents this. It is all in the public domain. Doctor Bhatti knows this but for those who believe in herd immunity it is a price worth paying.

Back in the 40s, autism was unheard of. It has now reached epidemic proportions and health and education authorities have their heads in the sand over this. We should not be immunizing babies at all. We should take a leaf out of Japan's book and not vaccinate until the age of two. It would massively reduce the suffering faced by many families, but it is a right of all families to refuse vaccinatiion. For many, the lives of their children depend on it

This is an issue you really need to research before coming to any conclusions.

There is some reliable information out there.

This is a link to a vaccine manufacturers data sheet for the pneumonia vaccine. It states the vaccine 'has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility'. This to me is not proper testing. And according to all vaccine manufacturers, vaccines have never been tested to see if they affect fertility, cause cancer or mutate into other illnesses.

http://www.wyeth.com
/content/showlabelin
g.asp?id=134

Vaccines are made with toxic ingredients that don't promote health, such as 2-phenoxyethanol. According to the data sheet it is harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause reproductive defects and is a severe eye and skin irritant.

http://msds.chem.ox.
ac.uk/PH/2-phenoxyet
hanol.html

That is just one toxic ingredient, there are many more.

This is a link to CDC government vaccine info book, which lists vaccine ingredients. Here vaccines that are listed as thimerosal free are shown to still have thimerosal in them.

http://www.cdc.gov/v
accines/pubs/pinkboo
k/downloads/appendic
es/B/excipient-table
-2.pdf

Although the CDC say trace amounts of thimerosal have 'no biological effect', vaccine manufacturers disagree. According to Merck, thimerosal is 'very toxic', inhalation, swallowing or absorbtion through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health and may sometimes be lethal' -

I think listing a vaccine as thimerosal free when it isn't is dishonest especially as the Merck information sheet states, 'danger of cumulative effects' and goes on to say thimersol must be disposed of as hazadous waste.

http://vce.org/mercu
ry/thimerosal-usp.pd
f

According to an NHS training pack for immunisers, the new GSK swine flu vaccine contains thimerosal.

The polio vaccine is cultured on monkey kidney tissue which was later found to contain Simian Virus 40 (SV40). This virus contaminated the polio vaccine and caused cancers. Despite this it was not withdrawn and the only safety measures that were put in place were monitoring the culture for 14 days to see if it turned cancerous and using tissue from the African Green Monkey instead of the Rhesus Monkey. However, SV40 has also been found in the African Green Monkey, according to the In Vitro Medical Journal. This tissue is now being used to make the new swine flu vaccine.

http://www.jstor.org
/pss/4291942

The Health Protection Agency (HPA) notifications of deaths from measles in England and Wales states (at the bottom of the link) that apart from 2 child deaths, other deaths were older individuals. As it is believed the MMR vaccine lasts about 5 years, according to the journal Vaccine, vaccinating children is dangerous as it leaves them open to measles at an older age when the disease is more serious, so the vaccine programme may be contributing to the adult deaths.

http://www.hpa.org.u
k/webw/HPAweb&HPAweb
Standard/HPAweb_C/11
95733835814?p=119194
2172799

http://www.sciencedi
rect.com/science?_ob
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D4-3Y44SK2-1P&_user=
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81d9b25915d635

The DOH and HPA only use data going as far back as 1940 they do not use graphs or data which document the steep decline in death rates from Measles before this. The graph in the link below does.

http://www.informedp
arent.co.uk/Portals/
2/mmr.html


The DOH deny vaccines cause autism but they fail to mention that an American court admitted that vaccination caused autism and brain damage of Hannah Poling, Ben Zeller and Bailey Banks. Vaccine manufacturers also list autism as a side effect; listed as an adverse event reported during post-approval use of Tripedia DTaP, as well as ITP, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, convulsion, encrephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were listed because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. They say 'because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2'.

This is why the DOH say vaccination doesn't cause autism, because a causal relationship hasn't been proven, however, they haven't disproven it either.

http://www.rxlist.co
m/tripedia-drug.htm


For more information:

http://www.sayingnot
ovaccines.com/ if nothing else scroll down to 'Basic Facts To Know About Vaccinations'

http://www.informedp
arent.co.uk/

http://www.jayne-don
egan.co.uk/ if nothing else click on and read 'My Experience with the General Medical Council' a long read but very interesting!

Jayne Donagan is a GP and was an expert witness for two mothers who didn't want their children vaccinated, their estranged husbands did. She provided evidence showing that vaccines are not so safe as the expert witnesses for vaccinating asserted. Consequently she was charged by the General Medical Council of serious professional misconduct, providing false and/or misleading impressions of evidence, quoting selectively, failing to present an objective, unbiased view and was unprofessional and possibly brought the profession into disrepute. She could have lost her license to practice medicine but was completely exonerated on all charges.

I have read lots of information from reputable sources such as medical journals, the NHS, the CDC and respected healthcare professionals which helped me come to an informed decision. A philosopher once said (I can't remember who) 'there are no wrong decisions but every right decision has the potential to go wrong'. Reliable information about vaccines isn't easily obtained and my decision wasn't an easy one to make. However, I believe I can trust the information which helped me reach the decision that was right for us. I also believe that those who choose vaccination make the right decision for them. Either way, it seems to me, we trust those who support the decision we can best live with.

Anyway, lots of info if you fancy a read!!!

Lorrales, that's a lot of information there but every last bit of it completely worthless. To claim Jayne Donagan was 'an expert witness' is like claiming Formica is edible. 'Expert witnessess' are worse, and much more dangerous, than worthless and only the gullible will be taken in by them. I strongly suggest you read 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre (not an 'expert witness' by any means) if you really want educating on this.

If you want to put your dog into kennels for a while you have to have it's vaccinations up to date. Would you choose to send your pet to a kennel that accepts any animals, whether vaccinated or not? So why less concern about where you send your children? All the real evidence says MMR is safe. Either vaccinate or make other arrangements for your children's education because I don't want them next to mine!

Working chap, what complete paranoid and tin foil hat nonsense. If your children have had MMR how can any non vaccinated child be a risk to them?
Its the other way round,children who recieve live vaccines are a risk to the non vaccinated due to viral shedding.
If you wish to put toxins and vaccines grown in HUMAN cells from abortion into your child thats up to you.The fact that MMR is made from the products of abortion means it can't really be mandated for those who have ethical objection.
No doubt you have no idea about the ingredients because its only educated parents who make informed choices.
it gives me great pleasure that indeed your children could be siting next to my non vaccinated ones which is non of your business whatsover.

I wonder if everybody that agrees with the good doctor would still agree with him if it was discovered that he receives payments as an 'advisor' to a drug company? I'm not saying he does by the way, but if you investigate all the other doctors' whose research has vindicated the various vaccination programmes as being safe, ALL OF THEM have received remuneration from drug companies.
Show us your bank account, Mr. Bhatti.

Carl S'berg wrote:
Lorrales, that's a lot of information there but every last bit of it completely worthless. To claim Jayne Donagan was 'an expert witness' is like claiming Formica is edible. 'Expert witnessess' are worse, and much more dangerous, than worthless and only the gullible will be taken in by them. I strongly suggest you read 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre (not an 'expert witness' by any means) if you really want educating on this.

Carl S'Berg.

Lorrales provides us with detailed links to information (thank you very much Lorrales) with which we can decide for ourselves whether it is likely to be true or false. You on the other hand try in a typical masculine way (read 'The Essential Difference' by Simon Baron-Cohen) to ridicule Lorrales by calling it 'worthless' and claiming only the 'gullible' will be taken in by it. Do you know Ben Goldacre personally? What makes his take on this any more believable? I stopped giving anyone (especially journalists) the benefit of the doubt after finding out Brian Deer (award-winning Sunday Times journalist and Dr. Andrew Wakefield hunter), was 'commissioned' to investigate this case by the son of one of the original MMR professors. Corrupt to the core.......trust-no-
one.