Crackdown on youths' drink and drug use at Whalley Abbey (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Druggies in the Ribble Valley - surely not?
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What say you Davidoff?
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Seems as though the delightful small towns and villages are not all they seem....and you criticise the mill towns - at least they have urban poverty to blame.
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Come on Davidoff - why so quiet all of a sudden....give me your best caustic reply.

When they said "Drug Use" I thought they were injecting themselves with heroin!

Surely a bit of weed isn't much of a story? Hang the little bastards for vandalism, though...

Drugs don’t care what creed or family your from and all the dealers care about is if your vulnerable enough to participate. They just love the vulnerable within our society, even children!
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Everyone knows that taking drugs is just a stupid immature mugs game!
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To those taking action against this evil trade: Well done and please never give up!

Weed is not harmless! I witnessed too many paranoid people hanging about a mental health unit. It does induce paranoia and certainly speeds up other mental health issues.

I have to agree with Janet, Smoking a bit of blow might seem harmless at first but it does do long term damage, depression, anxiety attacks etc. But sadly when you are young, this does not seem possible.

What say I?

Seeing as I was born in that village, lived there for almost 40 years I do happen to know that ... whilst problems of this kind are in no way new - anyone from Whalley remember the dubbed 'Bank Corner Mob?' and their antics? in fact there was very well known name in Whalley who is now dead ... because - it is sad to see my village be blighted in this way. However, much of it has been caused by the introduction of housing developments in the village and bringing certain elements into the community.

So, please don't try to tell me about my own village because I grew up there and the surrounding Ribble Valley, it was once an area that was idyllic but is being destroyed over time by the same people from places like Blackburn, Darwen or any of the other anti-social towns in Lancashire.

It's a great shame. That in time it will be trashed and a once great community destroyed. Exactly like any other street in a problem town in the region. A very great shame.

One thing is for sure, Whalley is not the same place I knew and probably won't ever be again now. Like I said, a very great shame indeed that certain people in our society move into an area, and bring these problems with them. Even worse for those who have to live and 'tolerate' them.

But, again, another former paradise in this country is being eroded by yobs.

Perhaps this is acceptable to some and kindly don't pull my name into things to make some immature point. Being born in the Ribble Valley I know it's culture - or how it was - and it's being trashed by chavs! Simple!

I forgot to put above but the 'well known name' I referred to (it won't be known to non Whalley people shall we say; people who grew up and knew (I didn't but others did) the person concerned or those who have lived there and moved away over the years) ... he died of a drug overdose. I also will not name it but ... anyone from Whalley who has lived there for a while will more than likely be aware of it.

I also remember a car being torched in the 70s near the church because someone put a lit rag into the petrol tank. Thing is, no one made really a fuss about it and it wouldn't have made the front pages of any papers because there are certain things that weren't discussed and kept in the community because the community knew who had done it. And that they were 'known for it'. Trouble is things like that were relatively rare in any community, unlike today where things like that are pretty common. It was unheard of. But didn't meant it never went on. Just no fuss was made of it. Because it was rare.

Also, you clearly keep a scrap book of what I say on here - hmmm, okay. Cos I said that quite a while ago. Makes you wonder why ... someone would go to such trouble. Odd.

Davidoff wrote:
I forgot to put above but the 'well known name' I referred to (it won't be known to non Whalley people shall we say; people who grew up and knew (I didn't but others did) the person concerned or those who have lived there and moved away over the years) ... he died of a drug overdose. I also will not name it but ... anyone from Whalley who has lived there for a while will more than likely be aware of it. I also remember a car being torched in the 70s near the church because someone put a lit rag into the petrol tank. Thing is, no one made really a fuss about it and it wouldn't have made the front pages of any papers because there are certain things that weren't discussed and kept in the community because the community knew who had done it. And that they were 'known for it'. Trouble is things like that were relatively rare in any community, unlike today where things like that are pretty common. It was unheard of. But didn't meant it never went on. Just no fuss was made of it. Because it was rare. Also, you clearly keep a scrap book of what I say on here - hmmm, okay. Cos I said that quite a while ago. Makes you wonder why ... someone would go to such trouble. Odd.

no, davidoff - i dont keep a scrapbook. i have only noticed your bilious statements over the last week about other towns and your great pompous stuck up self-love for all things ribble valley.
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if i shouldn't preach to you about the "village" (whalley is no village) - then equally don't come on here and slag off other towns that you know nothing about in terms of soul. What is good for the goose.....
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i hate the self-satisfied "i come from the ribble valley and so i have taste" type comments that are made without a hint of irony. narcissim is an awful personality feature - and it sounds like you have firmly got your head stuck up your backside.
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when you are slagging off the likes of darwen, perhaps you could look at the number of charity shops (and empty premises) on clitheroe high street.
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oh! and by the way - i love how you have tried to blame the downturn in your lovely vilages fortunes on people from blackburn and darwen. truth is davidoff you sound exactly like some stuck up golf-club type who lives in his own cosseted world.
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i suggest you look up the words of nick cave's "god is in the house" song on the internet - sums your mentality up.
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rest assured - i will not let you get away with your poisonous invective going forward.
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ponce!

The measure of a person is whether you'd like them as a next door neighbour.

I'd have no problem with Davidoff living next door to me.

happycyclist wrote:
The measure of a person is whether you'd like them as a next door neighbour. I'd have no problem with Davidoff living next door to me.

how do you know? have you ever met him? (or her).
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i am a pluralist, but will not tolerate people who constantly slag off everywhere/everythin
g and everybody in lancashire outside their own front door.
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davidoff is every bit as bad as those he claims to condemn.

Why can we not comment on bent coppers doing there laundry?

So it seems that gangs and drugs have been a big problem in the R valley for a long time, well Davidoff states it, so it must be true., and cannot be due to people moving from poor old east lancs towns as he claims., or his he just confused by some medication from the streets of Whalley. Kettle calling pot ( not the wackey backey type ) comes to mind.

I moved to Whalley to escape the problems of the surrounding towns and I detect a hint of bitterness from the opposing views of some people posting here.

I generally agree with Davidoff and am firmly of the view that whilst all areas are going to have an anti-social element, the Ribble Valley has far, far fewer problems than all other areas in which I have lived.

Whalley in particular offers a thriving beautiful small town in a stunning area with low crime and low instances of anti-social behaviour. It is well connected to road and rail networks and it offers a very high standard of living.

However, I disagree that many of the areas problems have 'been caused by the introduction of housing developments in the village and bringing certain elements into the community'.

I agree that with a larger population, you are going to increase the chances of problems, however, the majority of newcomers like myself wholly appreciate the fabulous place in which we live.

If certain old-school individuals hark back to the old days and object to change then I am afraid they are never going to be happy. Progress and change are inevitable wherever they live.

Perhaps Davidoff might have some sympathy for those new to the area - he says he lived in Whalley and therefore, presumably lives elsewhere now. He too was once a newcomer in his area.

Janet Dodd wrote:
Weed is not harmless! I witnessed too many paranoid people hanging about a mental health unit. It does induce paranoia and certainly speeds up other mental health issues.

Why is Holland not full of raving schizos then?

JohnR1 wrote:

Janet Dodd wrote: Weed is not harmless! I witnessed too many paranoid people hanging about a mental health unit. It does induce paranoia and certainly speeds up other mental health issues.

Why is Holland not full of raving schizos then?

it is

hasslem hasslem wrote:

JohnR1 wrote:

Janet Dodd wrote: Weed is not harmless! I witnessed too many paranoid people hanging about a mental health unit. It does induce paranoia and certainly speeds up other mental health issues.

Why is Holland not full of raving schizos then?

it is

Hasslem, if you have something useful to add to this thread, please could we have some evidence of your retort.
It is a known fact that due to their relaxed laws, there are fewer youngsters using cannabis. The university of Kent carried out a study over a very long period which proved that the incidence of mental problems does not reflect the rise in cannabis use in this country. This report is conveniently suppressed by the press and government whenever this issue rears its ugly head. The brainwashing of the sheeple in this country has led to a society that craves pseudo-science and sensationalist news reports that bear no resemblance to the truth and they all believe them. Knee-jerk reactions to all sorts of situations only compound the government's hold on society. One day we will need a licence to breathe. Go and do some reading and wake up to what is going on under your nose! Do not rely on the powers that be to tell you the truth. Big pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping Cannabis at bay - look into their relationship with government - there, even given you a place to start!

I love the weed debate.

Simple fact is, it may indeed be harmful, but so is tobacco, beer (seriously, I have seen people so messed up you wouldn't believe over alcohol use), and even chocolate.

Everything in moderation. Don't understand how weed can be illegal yet it's perfectly legal to ride around on a bicycle with no helmet on - which one is more likely to cause permanent injury or death?!

JohnR1 wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

JohnR1 wrote:

Janet Dodd wrote: Weed is not harmless! I witnessed too many paranoid people hanging about a mental health unit. It does induce paranoia and certainly speeds up other mental health issues.

Why is Holland not full of raving schizos then?

it is

Hasslem, if you have something useful to add to this thread, please could we have some evidence of your retort. It is a known fact that due to their relaxed laws, there are fewer youngsters using cannabis. The university of Kent carried out a study over a very long period which proved that the incidence of mental problems does not reflect the rise in cannabis use in this country. This report is conveniently suppressed by the press and government whenever this issue rears its ugly head. The brainwashing of the sheeple in this country has led to a society that craves pseudo-science and sensationalist news reports that bear no resemblance to the truth and they all believe them. Knee-jerk reactions to all sorts of situations only compound the government's hold on society. One day we will need a licence to breathe. Go and do some reading and wake up to what is going on under your nose! Do not rely on the powers that be to tell you the truth. Big pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping Cannabis at bay - look into their relationship with government - there, even given you a place to start!

One study against another
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An expert on the health effects of cannabis says that there is growing evidence that the drug is responsible for mental health problems.
Professor John Henry, a consultant in toxicology from St Mary's Hospital in London, told the BBC that studies from Sweden and elsewhere pointed to an increase in schizophrenia among regular cannabis smokers.
The mental health effects of smoking cannabis are a controversial area, with any evidence of harm strongly disputed by some.
However, Dr Henry is planning to tell a conference at the Royal Society of Medicine on Monday that it appears likely that some cases of schizophrenia are attributable to the consumption of cannabis, rather than the alternative explanation that patients prone to mental illness are more likely to be drawn to use the drug.
Dr Henry says that the strength of cannabis on sale now far outstrips the strength of the drug sold during the "flower power" era of the 1960s and 1970s.
He told the BBC: "There's no government health warning against cannabis but there are all kinds of warnings about tobacco.
"People who want to smoke cannabis ought to be aware that it has equal effects to cigarettes on the body and worse effects on the mind.
"You've got the fact that regular cannabis smokers develop mental illness.
"There's a fourfold increase in schizophrenia and a fourfold increase in major depression.
"That is something very very different from what smoking does to you.
"There's a lot of epidemiological evidence from as far apart as Sweden and New Zealand that cannabis actually causes these problems."