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Six Blackburn with Darwen council staff suspended in email probe

CONCERN: One of the less offensive pictures allegedly circulated by council staff CONCERN: One of the less offensive pictures allegedly circulated by council staff

BLACKBURN with Darwen council has suspended six workers in its children’s department after they allegedly circulated an email containing a shocking image of a naked child.

A leading children’s charity said the claims were ‘disturbing’ and called for an example to be made of the staff if they are found guilty of breaching rules.

One photograph shows an otherwise naked youngster apparently covered in sanitary towels. His private parts are also covered.

Another image shows three young boys urinating, one of them naked.

The episode is being treated as a ‘child protection issue’.

Bosses at the council have launched an investigation after a complaint was made by other workers who found the pictures offensive.

They were circulated in a ‘joke’ email which contained pictures of young boys.

The images have been branded ‘totally inappropriate’ for staff working with vulnerable children.

The e-mail, titled “Why boys need mothers”, contains 12 pictures of children misbehaving.

"The images also include one boy swallowing a frog and another climbing into a fridge.

Opposition Labour leader Kate Hollern said that if the workers had sent the e-mails they should be sacked.

Claude Knights, director of children’s charity Kidscape, said: “Whatever the source of these pictures these are real children that have been abused.

“Images like these are degrading and each time they are viewed it is another level of degredation.

“The context of these suspensions is even more disturbing because these people are working in a field where they should know the impact of images like this.

“This is material that is not fit to be viewed and you would hope that all working in that department would have a level of awareness to understand that.

“It is a very disappointing and worrying episode.

“If they are found guilty then an example needs to be made.

"It is good to know that the local authority has acted quickly and is taking the issue seriously.”

Some staff believe the council has over-reacted to what was meant as a joke e-mail.

One town hall worker, who did not want to be named, said: “Staff are divided - and there’s a pretty even split.

"Some think it’s really bad, but others say there’s nothing to worry about.”

It is understood the staff, who are believed to work in children’s centres across the borough, were suspended as a precaution on Friday pending the investigation.

More than 700 people are employed by the council in children’s services.

Unison rep Gareth Roscoe said: “We are vigorously defending our members”. He would not comment further.

Coun Hollern, the leader of the opposition Labour group on the council, said she was shocked at the investigation.

She said: “Some of these images are totally inappropriate, particularly for staff who are there to protect children, and you wonder why anyone would want to send them on.

“I hope the council carries out a full investigation. If after the investigation staff are found to have breached the rules they should be sacked.”

According to the council’s “IT acceptable use policy”, staff are banned from “knowingly transmitting” jokes and chain letters.

The document says: “Emails must not contain indecent or obscene” material, or anything “likely to cause offence”.

Sajid Ali, Liberal Democrat councillor for the Bastwell ward, said any sending of such emails, if true, was “totally inappropriate”.

He said: “Sending images of that nature would be well out of order.

"The workers are there to do a job not send e-mails around of young children.

He said that it would be “despicable” if children’s services workers had sent images of this nature.

Graham Burgess, chief executive of Blackburn with Darwen Council, said: "A complaint has been made about use of the council's IT system.

"This is being looked into and has to remain a confidential matter. As such it would be inappropriate to comment further."

A spokesman for the police said: “The matter is being dealt with by the borough council as it is not a police matter.”

Rules on e-mails for council staff

BLACKBURN with Darwen Council has a set e-mail policy for its staff to follow.

According to the council, whose chief executive is Graham Burgess, any e-mail from its staff has the same legal status as a council letter, memo, or fax and, as a result, any sent or received are the property of the authority.

According to the council’s “IT acceptable use policy”, staff must not create, download, or knowingly transmit viruses, chain letters, or jokes, or material that infringes copyright.

The document also says: “E-mails must not contain indecent or obscene material, or anything likely to cause offence.”

They must also not e-mail any material which harrasses any other employee, or third party, on the basis of sex, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs, marital status or disability.

Users are also told not to send, or circulate, any material designed or likely to cause annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety to any person.

Comments(38)

wackyracer says...
9:29am Thu 25 Feb 10

I'm not saying it was ok to do what they have done...but...when you work in this field, either childrens social services or with adults, you develop a sense of humour that helps you deal with the complex and and sometimes awful issues that you deal with on a daily basis. Anybody who writes a comment on this site that does not have any history of working in this area, please take this into consideration before you critacise a very very stressed and short staffed group of dedicated people that are saving lives. Thank You.

A Darener says...
10:36am Thu 25 Feb 10

I cannot comment on the photos you have not printed, but those that you have are typical of the type seen every week on You've been framed and similar television programmes.

wackyracer says...
12:23pm Thu 25 Feb 10

well said A Darener. The photos in the paper are either photoshop doctored or off YBF. If that's the general theme of these photo's then it pathetic to make an issue out of this. If the council spent more time support their staff instead of screwing them over there might be higher morale.

slackerbtch says...
12:42pm Thu 25 Feb 10

the email is actually quite old - ive seen it a few times. None of the images are "indecent" or of "abused" children. They are normal family-type snapshots.

If some of the family pictures of me as a child were published im sure that bloody do-gooder Claude Knights would label me as abused and exploited too. When in actual fact they are just childhood shinanigens recorded on film.

Shame on the politicians for jumpting on the moral bandwagon once again.

wackyracer says...
12:48pm Thu 25 Feb 10

At the moment it seems to be quite normal for the useless management at the council to jump of their staff instead of actually do their job.

UniteAsOne says...
1:25pm Thu 25 Feb 10

I have seen the email,as have tens of thousands,if not hundreds of thousands have people.
Suspensions and sackings are at the forefront of job cuts nowadays. If these employees are unfortunate enough to lose their jobs, then Its six less redundancies that BwD council have to worry about anouncing in their relentless cost cutting procedure.
Opposition Lie-bour leader says that these employees should be sacked....... now whatever happened to one of her colleagues that did a similar thing about 18months-2 years ago ??
Still got his hand in the council piggy bank me thinks !!

past it says...
2:28pm Thu 25 Feb 10

The council rules state that “IT acceptable use policy”, staff are banned from “knowingly transmitting” jokes and chain letters." these people have been sat at there desks wasting taxpayers money. So why should the staff who have broken the rules not be jumped on.

CapitaBackHander says...
3:00pm Thu 25 Feb 10

I havn't read any further than these children were abused. I stopped as I can tell this is not true.
I can see now that the photo re sanitry towels is exactly what my daughter did last week, went into bathroom and tried to copy mummy. she had pulled the packs opens and stuck them all over her. I would think a parent has taken a photo as it is quite funny and this has ended up an email that is probably all over the net. Over reaction by Capita I would guess.
Hope I am right and that it was a joke email.

franzy1875 says...
3:10pm Thu 25 Feb 10

what about the racist e mail about jews mr mulla and muslim workers were passing around?

CapitaBackHander says...
4:03pm Thu 25 Feb 10

This is the view of Claude Knights "
Please give me a little more information regarding the reasons behind your question. Photographing a child covered in sanitary towels, children naked and urinating and then circulating the images in a round robin email format violates their human rights. It seems reasonable to presume that the children did not give informed consent. Every human being has a right to be respected and not to be have their privacy violated. This in itself is a serious form of abuse. "
Most people have photographed their children and placed them on Facebook e.t.c YOU ARE ALL ABUSERS!
Well I know I would never give a penny or listen to the views of this charity.

awesomedude says...
4:06pm Thu 25 Feb 10

http://ansblog.com/2
010/02/25-reasons-wh
y-boys-need-parents/ THIS is the email that went around - i say they need to get a sense of humor!

if they are to be sacked over this - i demand a full investigation into email use into ALL council employees INCLUDING managers

this is just ridiculous, it does seem that the stupid PC brigade are going to win another one.... and my poor wife is going to be out of a job

happycyclist says...
5:59pm Thu 25 Feb 10

Get a grip, BwDBC.

The pictures of the kid sticking a knife into a plug socket and the one crawling into a fridge are hilarious.

Some people need to get themselves up to the Royal Blackburn and enquire about a sense of humour transplant.

burner says...
6:27pm Thu 25 Feb 10

The " offensive, but not-so-offensive " foto printed with this story made me smile. Will I be subject to a dawn raid? Like happycyclist said, get a grip on the real world of today !!

Totally says...
6:56pm Thu 25 Feb 10

This is absolutely bonkers. Yes these staff have breached the acceptable use policy but forwarding one email should warrant an informal warning not suspension.
There is nothing indecent in these photos and people saying that there is are saying that every parent in this country is an abuser.
Once again the do-gooders are telling the rest of us how we should live our lives and yet they are the first to bleat "human rights" when some scumbag gets locked up.
This country has gone absolutely MAD. I am furious that my council tax is being used to carry out an expensive investigation and pay for staff to cover the duties of the suspended staff all for an issue that could have been dealt with in minutes.
The country is suffering some of the toughest economic times ever, people are losing jobs, losing homes and facing total despair and every day public money is being wasted on other countries' wars, councillors' coffee machines and petty investigations. GET A GRIP!!!

steve4037 says...
8:38pm Thu 25 Feb 10

seen it all now how stupid are bwd council,this is just a joke email thats been around ages,its just like something of beagles about,there is no harm in it at all,get these staff back to work stop being stupid,

kosmik says...
8:47pm Thu 25 Feb 10

Is this article a joke??? If not I find it extremely disturbing......

l m h jones says...
10:05pm Thu 25 Feb 10

The photos..from the comments from councillors and kidscape i was expecting some truly dreadful images to be involved..these are little kids being little kids..the photos in wide circulation and as another commentator noted fairly typical of the stuff on prime time family viewing tv..i really hope that the childrens services directorate see sense over this story and not destroy peoples careers..get a grip and a sense of humour. google 25 reasons boys need parents and those of you who are parents of lads will probably recognise the antics.

Davidoff says...
10:32pm Thu 25 Feb 10

Oh, yes, but these people want to be bloody lucky they DO have a job in this climate! Yet here we read of how they are getting paid to 'work' but too busy doing silly things like this. I bet plenty out there would be glad of their jobs. But it seems we have some fairly immature staff from what's reported.


The fact is these people have acted irreponsibly given their job positions - within the children's department. Another fact is that they have behaved like immature school children AND using council property to do so. Are they there to work or 'playtime' because it's your money they have used to do so via the council tax! I don't think in that context it's at all acceptable! Also, are you happy these people have access to private data of families? Yours, even? If they are this irresponsible to do such things ... I dread to think how 'safe' confidental data is in their hands. No, they have abused their roles. Simple. I really don't see the problem regardless of the images. If I was their employer I'd have them out the door purely for using my equipment the same way they would at home. They are not being paid to behave like immature schoolchildren, they are supposed to be working in an environment where 'professionalism' is upheld at all times. So, it's not bad eggs but they have abused their positions, also being paid to behave in this way! So, it's not really about the photos it's about something a bit more basic. Are they there to work or are they there to play silly beggars AND be paid for it? Because they seem immensely immature to be in these jobs if nothing else! That, alone, is worrying.

Like I said, if you are all perfectly happy for your families and children's personal data to be in the hands of such immature people fine. But plenty out there seeing how they've behaved thus far (and it seems a problem in the council itself from what I read above eg 'split' because one side thinks it's okay the other not) would not be happy knowing they had direct access to such things!

Earlier on the news we see a tragic report of a young child in Birmingham tortured, starved to death by her family ... all warnings to child and social services went unheaded. Was it because their employees were too busy photoshopping immature images on their PCs during work time they never bothered to look into it because doing things like that were clearly far more important.

Sorry, but this maybe exposes some of these departments inside out and how they really behave and work during work time.

And I don't give a flying fig if that goes against anyone else.

Totally says...
11:18pm Thu 25 Feb 10

Davidoff - I respect your right to your own opinion but I disagree that the sharing of a lighthearted email makes people immature or neglectful of their duties. you give the impression that you think everyone should be so grateful to have a job that they should not speak to their colleagues unless it is work related - sounds like you yearn for Dickensian Britain. I am more than happy for these people to have access to my family's details I am more concerned about the risk to our society from ill-informed do-gooders.
Happy people work far more productively than people in an austere environment - I am really glad I don't work with you.

Blondie says...
8:21am Fri 26 Feb 10

Ok they shouldn't have done this at work where their contracts should clearly state that the computers are for work use only.
To suspend the workers, probably on full pay, is nuts to say the least.
Get them back to work, "Now!" Now that is what i call a waste of tax payers money!!
A written warning is all that is required here for using the works computers for their own personal use. No terrible offences were committed other than for some to have a complete sense of humour breakdown.
This is so over the top and should have been dealt within the department.
The person that leaked this to the press needs to get a life too.

past it says...
9:02am Fri 26 Feb 10

Davidoff wrote:
Oh, yes, but these people want to be bloody lucky they DO have a job in this climate! Yet here we read of how they are getting paid to 'work' but too busy doing silly things like this. I bet plenty out there would be glad of their jobs. But it seems we have some fairly immature staff from what's reported. The fact is these people have acted irreponsibly given their job positions - within the children's department. Another fact is that they have behaved like immature school children AND using council property to do so. Are they there to work or 'playtime' because it's your money they have used to do so via the council tax! I don't think in that context it's at all acceptable! Also, are you happy these people have access to private data of families? Yours, even? If they are this irresponsible to do such things ... I dread to think how 'safe' confidental data is in their hands. No, they have abused their roles. Simple. I really don't see the problem regardless of the images. If I was their employer I'd have them out the door purely for using my equipment the same way they would at home. They are not being paid to behave like immature schoolchildren, they are supposed to be working in an environment where 'professionalism' is upheld at all times. So, it's not bad eggs but they have abused their positions, also being paid to behave in this way! So, it's not really about the photos it's about something a bit more basic. Are they there to work or are they there to play silly beggars AND be paid for it? Because they seem immensely immature to be in these jobs if nothing else! That, alone, is worrying. Like I said, if you are all perfectly happy for your families and children's personal data to be in the hands of such immature people fine. But plenty out there seeing how they've behaved thus far (and it seems a problem in the council itself from what I read above eg 'split' because one side thinks it's okay the other not) would not be happy knowing they had direct access to such things! Earlier on the news we see a tragic report of a young child in Birmingham tortured, starved to death by her family ... all warnings to child and social services went unheaded. Was it because their employees were too busy photoshopping immature images on their PCs during work time they never bothered to look into it because doing things like that were clearly far more important. Sorry, but this maybe exposes some of these departments inside out and how they really behave and work during work time. And I don't give a flying fig if that goes against anyone else.
Well said, I begin to wonder how many of the people saying it is an innocent prank, work for the council or know the six people ( and you can bet there are many more ), involved. Oh I do not consider myself PC Brigade, these six are paid to work not play !

steve4037 says...
9:16am Fri 26 Feb 10

Totally wrote:
Davidoff - I respect your right to your own opinion but I disagree that the sharing of a lighthearted email makes people immature or neglectful of their duties. you give the impression that you think everyone should be so grateful to have a job that they should not speak to their colleagues unless it is work related - sounds like you yearn for Dickensian Britain. I am more than happy for these people to have access to my family's details I am more concerned about the risk to our society from ill-informed do-gooders. Happy people work far more productively than people in an austere environment - I am really glad I don't work with you.
get these hard working staff back to work,bwd stop being stupid.

caballo says...
9:43am Fri 26 Feb 10

How moronic can these managers be, terrified that they need to be seen to be acting.

Davidoff:- Can you honestly say you've spent every minute of every hour at work discussing only the job, I can't!

ruxy says...
10:16am Fri 26 Feb 10

Some staff believe the council has over-reacted to what was meant as a joke e-mail.

"Some think it’s really bad, but others say there’s nothing to worry about.”

So some people wouldn't be worried if it was THEIR naked children appearing on the emails - which every1 would have access to including paedophiles?

And Davidoff - I agree with you!

CapitaBackHander says...
10:17am Fri 26 Feb 10

Davidoff wrote:
Oh, yes, but these people want to be bloody lucky they DO have a job in this climate! Yet here we read of how they are getting paid to 'work' but too busy doing silly things like this. I bet plenty out there would be glad of their jobs. But it seems we have some fairly immature staff from what's reported. The fact is these people have acted irreponsibly given their job positions - within the children's department. Another fact is that they have behaved like immature school children AND using council property to do so. Are they there to work or 'playtime' because it's your money they have used to do so via the council tax! I don't think in that context it's at all acceptable! Also, are you happy these people have access to private data of families? Yours, even? If they are this irresponsible to do such things ... I dread to think how 'safe' confidental data is in their hands. No, they have abused their roles. Simple. I really don't see the problem regardless of the images. If I was their employer I'd have them out the door purely for using my equipment the same way they would at home. They are not being paid to behave like immature schoolchildren, they are supposed to be working in an environment where 'professionalism' is upheld at all times. So, it's not bad eggs but they have abused their positions, also being paid to behave in this way! So, it's not really about the photos it's about something a bit more basic. Are they there to work or are they there to play silly beggars AND be paid for it? Because they seem immensely immature to be in these jobs if nothing else! That, alone, is worrying. Like I said, if you are all perfectly happy for your families and children's personal data to be in the hands of such immature people fine. But plenty out there seeing how they've behaved thus far (and it seems a problem in the council itself from what I read above eg 'split' because one side thinks it's okay the other not) would not be happy knowing they had direct access to such things! Earlier on the news we see a tragic report of a young child in Birmingham tortured, starved to death by her family ... all warnings to child and social services went unheaded. Was it because their employees were too busy photoshopping immature images on their PCs during work time they never bothered to look into it because doing things like that were clearly far more important. Sorry, but this maybe exposes some of these departments inside out and how they really behave and work during work time. And I don't give a flying fig if that goes against anyone else.
Sorry David but can't go along with you this time. First off you are wrongly assuming they are immature and then you go off on one re having our personal data. This case has been turned into a child **** case. It would have taken 1 second! to forward the email to someone and 10 seconds to look at it and may well have been done in break times. You would have to be VERY naive to think the council was suspending everyone that breached their email policy. Just look at managers accounts and that will prove the point. The most that should happen is a verbal warning and to be honest anything else should be a tribunal that would be won.
Sorry David but that was one of your poor rants.

CapitaBackHander says...
10:24am Fri 26 Feb 10

ruxy wrote:
Some staff believe the council has over-reacted to what was meant as a joke e-mail. "Some think it’s really bad, but others say there’s nothing to worry about.” So some people wouldn't be worried if it was THEIR naked children appearing on the emails - which every1 would have access to including paedophiles? And Davidoff - I agree with you!
See this IS the problem, people like you have no understanding and fire off nonsense.
The email has been seen by millions. Have you looked at it - link above? I emailed the Claude person and she implied they had put their own children in a collection of photos and emailed it around. WHAT UTTER NONSENSE. These children shown have NO connection to the staff (not 100% sure but pure fluke if they do) and this compilation was put together ages ago. The pics will be taken from sites like facebook or newsgroups - all totally innocent behaviour.
LOOK at Sky news and see what a pathetic world we live in - the dad taking pic of son in shopping centre.

CapitaBackHander says...
11:15am Fri 26 Feb 10

ruxy wrote:
how do you know for a fact that the childrens parent are the ones who have taken pictures of their naked children and posted them? eh? Would you want every1 looking at your naked children? Would you post pics of them naked? And NO I dont want to look at pictures of naked children - I find you rather disgusting if you think it's ok for people to stare at naked children!
You do know this email has been around before Novemeber 2008! No I didn't think so!

CapitaBackHander says...
12:20pm Fri 26 Feb 10

Just out of interest, what scale do the police rate these pictures? The pictures that are very very old and have been around for years...

Where's_the_beef? says...
2:23pm Fri 26 Feb 10

The British were one known for laconic humour and common sense. No longer. Oh, and the next official bod that spouts such tedious corporate prattle like "inappropriate" should be stripped naked, put upagainst a wall and mercilessly bull whipped!

wackyracer says...
3:01pm Fri 26 Feb 10

ruxy. do believe everything you read in the papers. Are you that stupid? the telegraph have sensationalised a non-event on a slow news day. The facts are that A) the photos are not pervy B) the council policy does not allow this kind of activity, and C) you STILL don't know what you are talking about. there is a difference between nude and ****. For example, the guardian paper will show a full naked woman in the right context because it knows that adults read the paper (fact). The Daily sport make women to be sex objects and wont show full nude because it will be seen as smutty. I wonder. Do you have kids? I do and they are happy running around in the nip because they think its funny. this is not a pervy act, it's kids not being bothered about there bodies and that is what these pictures are.

CapitaBackHander says...
4:47pm Fri 26 Feb 10

Looks like Ruxy has been censored for calling people names. Bet I missed some allegation while working. Quite a number of my comments rubbishing Claude have disappeared.
Just out of interest LET ed. who contacted Kidscape? What relevance was it to this article AND how many of the people quoted had seen the email?

Totally says...
5:30pm Fri 26 Feb 10

Ruxy - have you seen the advert on TV at the moment for Calpol showing kids pushing money in between floorboards and stuffing piles of toilet rolls into the loo?
These kind of kids antics are what are depicted in the pictures on the email.
Presumably you actually believed that Freddie Starr ate that hamster too!
It never ceases to amaze me that people take newspaper articles at face value and yet are still allowed to vote.
Looks like I missed lots of fun on here today while I've been at work.

blackburn south says...
9:03pm Fri 26 Feb 10

I would like to say to Ruxy that making false allegations is the oldest trick in the book.

Dave Ainsworth says...
1:22am Sun 28 Feb 10

Has the L.T not shot itself in the foot here? It has gone to Kidscape asking them to comment on this sensationalised story. They say the pictures show that kids are being abused...yet the paper prints them...Double standards?!! The knife picture is the so-called worst one, which they haven't printed. I have seen this email - the knife is plastic and has come from a foreign You've Been Framed Style show. The issue is a non-story in the sense the workers should have just had their wrists slapped and a warning sent out to all other staff as I'm sure more than six staff have had this email. I just can't believe this has happened and this story has been printed in the way it has.
I do hope some common sense, however late in the day prevails on this issue.

ruxy says...
8:39am Mon 1 Mar 10

well - truth hurts dont it - thats why my comments have been removed ....!! ha ha

wackyracer says...
12:18pm Mon 1 Mar 10

No Ruxy, your comments where removed because you wrote drivel and slander.

ruxy says...
4:38pm Mon 1 Mar 10

wackyracer - It's spelt WERE not WHERE!
You need to brush up on your Literacy Skills mate!! haha

Totally says...
5:29pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Anyone can make a typo, at least Wackyracer understands the difference between fact and fabrication.

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