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Thursday bin collection update for all East Lancashire boroughs
5:50pm Thursday 14th January 2010 in News
BIN services in East Lancashire are beginning to return to normal after the recent extreme weather conditions.
BLACKBURN WITH DARWEN
Council chiefs have appealed for 'patience and co-operation' as they bid to work through a backlog caused by the bad weather.
But many residents feel the council has been slow to react this week since the big freeze started to thaw.
Tom Gavin, 78, said 'a mountain of bin bags' had collected in Beverley Gardens in Mill Hill, sparking fears of rats from the nearby canal.
He said: “We were told to leave the rubbish out until it was collected but it’s a health hazard. It’s disgusting.”
Pensioner Maureen Glover, said the area was beginning to smell due to the huge build up of rubbish.
The 71-year-old who lives in Whitendale Crescent, Blackburn, said: “I can’t remember the last time they were collected. It was such a long time ago.
“We understood it when it was impassable but it hasn’t been snowing for days now and they are just using the weather as an excuse.
“People on the road have huge amounts of rubbish just piled up. It’s a health hazard.”
Meanwhile, in Lane House Close, some elderly and disabled residents were not able to take their refuse to drop-off points set up in Blackburn and Darwen earlier this week.
Alan Hartley, 65, said: “Residents who are able bodied have cleared their rubbish away but those who are disabled or elderly haven’t managed to and so we have huge amounts of it piled up everywhere.
Coun Alan Cottam, from Blackburn with Darwen Council, said: “Once again, I would like to take residents for their patience and co-operation. "Hopefully we will get back to business as usual as soon as possible.”
The council set up 23 collection points earlier this week in an attempt to clear the backlog of rubbish.
Designated times were set for each location for people who live on side streets to bring bags of waste and recycling, while people living on main roads could put their bins out on the street to be collected.
The temporary collection points proved controversial.
Labour opposition group leader Kate Hollern had said: "If the bin wagons can't get up these treacherous roads, how are people supposed to get down them carrying their rubbish?
"And what are elderly people supposed to do?"
BURNLEY
Burnley bin men have been praised for battling against the icy roads to collect rubbish and recycling from most homes.
Council chiefs said now only a small amount of homes in remote or rural areas were not being reached.
They thanked staff for their efforts and asked people whose homes were not being reached to remain patient.
In Burnley, waste contractor Veolia carries out the collections.
Coun Charlie Briggs, executive member responsible for waste collections, said: “We’ve done everything we can to make sure as many collections have been completed as conditions allow.
“I’m extremely grateful to council and Veolia staff who have pulled out all the stops to make sure recycling and rubbish collections have continued.
“Over the last few days we've managed to complete almost all the scheduled rounds, only missing those where conditions are still too dangerous, and catch up on missed ones as well.
“Although the continued icy conditions are still causing some problems, we're confident that we will have caught up with missed refuse collections and be back on schedule by the end of this week, providing we don't see any further bad weather.
“Once the refuse collections are caught up, all additional resources will concentrate on catching up on recycling.”
HYNDBURN
A Hyndburn Council spokesman said all waste vehicles are back on the roads in an attempt top clear the backlog.
Residents should leave bins out on normal days.
The 'no side waste' policy has been suspended for one collection and crews will be removing any additional non-recyclable waste that is left at the side of grey bins.
PENDLE
Pendle Council’s operational services team, which carries out the borough's collections, is almost fully caught up.
Coun John David, Pendle council leader, said: "Our staff have been doing their best to collect refuse and recycling in areas where the roads are safe.
“I’m happy to say that we are managing to get to most areas of Pendle now.”
Lancashire County Council's Household Waste Centres are open from 8am to 7pm every day for anyone who would like to take their household rubbish or recycling there.
These are at Corporation Street in Colne and West Close Road in Barnoldswick.
Call 01282 661743 with any further queries.
RIBBLE VALLEY
In Ribble Valley there are still some roads that remain impassible but wagons are out on the roads clearing the backlog of collections in the majority of areas.
Residents' bins will now be collected on their normal day from areas where roads are safely accessible for its large vehicles.
In areas that are still too dangerous or too difficult to access, the council is urging residents to take their bins to a point where the road is clear and the vehicles can get to, then collect the bins after they've been emptied.
If your collection has been missed and you have more waste than will fit in your bin, leave it next your bin in a suitable bag or box and it will be collected with the rest of your waste when full services can be safely resumed.
ROSSENDALE
A partial service is continuing in Rossendale where bin workers have to deal with a large number of steep hills and rural areas which have been badly affected by the snow.
Rossendale Borough Council drafted in 30 extra staff to help clear the borough’s backlog of rubbish.
The authority has used its office-based staff to collect rubbish and is using 4x4 vehicles and open vans to help get to the bins in the most inaccessible parts of the borough.
Council Leader, Tony Swain said: "The whole council is working together to tackle the backlog and I'm proud of the way our staff have responded to this issue."
Chief Executive Helen Lockwood added: "We are focusing on collecting general refuse (green bins and purple sacks) rather than recycling, as this is a more important priority for residents at the moment.
"Our refuse crews will be working overtime until the backlog is cleared.
"We are doing everything possible to maintain our collection routes and timetable and want residents to still put their bins out.
"During the current difficulties the council will also accept rubbish put out in black sacks."
Have your bins been collected? Add your comments below.
Comments(99)
Davidoff
says...
9:38pm Wed 6 Jan 10
lol
Dead funny. Come on! Yeah, but let's remember one thing: in this severe weather rats, birds, other animals desperate for food ... where do they think they will go looking? Food frozen in the ground, where beaks, paws can't get it? Or nicely lined up bin bags? Foxes'll have a field day.
pip-pip
says...
8:17am Thu 7 Jan 10
RAyzer
says...
7:28pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Scooby
says...
8:02pm Thu 7 Jan 10
There are limits to what council tax can pay for, an unfortunately even salt and grit are no use when it gets this cold.
Twinsmumbeccy
says...
9:39pm Thu 7 Jan 10
But we still appreciate the job they do, maybe they could send out the binmen to fill up the empty grit bins?????? If they can't empty the bins... They could fill them?
retired one
says...
10:40pm Thu 7 Jan 10
Crosscut
says...
1:46pm Fri 8 Jan 10
RAyzer wrote:Another typically selfish opinion by RAyzer. Wants everything done for him, and then grumbles because it costs him. Next time you go to the loo, why not ask the council to wipe your arse for you??
simple...DUMP your stuff outside tip,,,its there duty to empty bins,we can get to work,so can they..if they cant its the councils FAULT!!!poll tax!!??what for???no police,fortnightly bins,what else?!?!RIP---OFF
We know it's the council's responsibility to empty your bin, but for goodness sake - use some common sense in weather like this. For once, if your bin is full, take some of the contents down to the tip yourself. The bin men didn't say they couldn't get to work, they are making the point that they can't get around all the side streets. Should they risk it, and go sliding into everyones cars & garden walls? I say - try your best lads, some of us do appreciate the work you're doing....
ewoodpark
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3:06pm Fri 8 Jan 10
mum63
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3:25pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Hellboy
says...
4:26pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Davidoff wrote:Well,Davidoff,in regards to the scumbag brats on Shadsworth estate building barricades to stop the gritters:
'Don't worry about food rotting in your bin or bin bags stored outside your property as the low temperatures will keep it cold or frozen.'
lol
Dead funny. Come on! Yeah, but let's remember one thing: in this severe weather rats, birds, other animals desperate for food ... where do they think they will go looking? Food frozen in the ground, where beaks, paws can't get it? Or nicely lined up bin bags? Foxes'll have a field day.
The bin wagons can't get to our street either,so I'm considering dumping my rubbish into the gardens of the toerags involved...I'll bet a pound to a penny I'll be harrassed by the Police within 24 hours...what a crazy world we live in,eh?
Ericj
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6:03pm Fri 8 Jan 10
themoverman
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6:27pm Fri 8 Jan 10
skeptic
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7:36pm Fri 8 Jan 10
CapitaBackHander
says...
7:58pm Fri 8 Jan 10
skeptic wrote:Are you saying our Council Tax should be higher so that we receive the service we should? Not sure your arguement has a valid point.
i wish some of these repetitive moaning gits going on i pay my council tax what about my bins bla!bla! just take a look how much money your local council takes from your council tax bill you may be surprised! LCC take the vast majority and the police think the last figure i was given to have your bins and recycling taken away was between 40and50pence a week!
If the bins can't be collected then that has nothing to do with the amount we pay.
I am guessing but I think the problem will be something to do with the bins are collected by a private company and the council has no influence re what can and can't be collected because bin company will just quote Health and Safety. May well be wrong but the bins could be collected if bin lorry drove along main rd and emptied the alleys of side street, residents would wheel bin to bottom/top of alley and collect. Those that can't would need neighbour help or just wait a few weeks and leave rubbish in shed/yard.
Hacked off too
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9:15pm Fri 8 Jan 10
mys
says...
9:45pm Fri 8 Jan 10
neil1967
says...
9:47pm Fri 8 Jan 10
Hacked off too
says...
12:03am Sat 9 Jan 10
mys wrote:Well funnily enough our road has been gritted and I see cars of all shapes, sizes 4WD and ordinary front wheel drive getting up and down each day. In the Valley they skip a day - they no longer collect on a Monday and that day is now used to collect up the waste that has been missed or is a problem. After four weeks has there not been any free days to collect waste? I am a keen recycler so my green bin is not full but I know and see plenty that are up and down the streets.
If the dustbin men cant get down the streets safely then it cant be helped,what do you want them to do eh,crash the wagons into your cars,skid into people walking on the pavements etc etc,come on folks give em a break,some roads are just not safe to drive on in this weather,ours being one of them.
Well it is bin day on Tuesday - let's see if it gets emptied or not.
atworktoday
says...
1:25am Sat 9 Jan 10
atworktoday
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1:28am Sat 9 Jan 10
RAyzer
says...
11:52am Sat 9 Jan 10
Crosscut wrote:i pay my taxes,crack pot..i want he service i pay for,i did 3 week on bins years ago,i know how they work,if we had men off wed skip streets,if bin lids were up we left them...POOR SERVICE its mugs like you that let them get away with it...
RAyzer wrote:Another typically selfish opinion by RAyzer. Wants everything done for him, and then grumbles because it costs him. Next time you go to the loo, why not ask the council to wipe your arse for you??
simple...DUMP your stuff outside tip,,,its there duty to empty bins,we can get to work,so can they..if they cant its the councils FAULT!!!poll tax!!??what for???no police,fortnightly bins,what else?!?!RIP---OFF
We know it's the council's responsibility to empty your bin, but for goodness sake - use some common sense in weather like this. For once, if your bin is full, take some of the contents down to the tip yourself. The bin men didn't say they couldn't get to work, they are making the point that they can't get around all the side streets. Should they risk it, and go sliding into everyones cars & garden walls? I say - try your best lads, some of us do appreciate the work you're doing....
RAyzer
says...
11:56am Sat 9 Jan 10
A Darener
says...
1:10pm Sat 9 Jan 10
The Curator
says...
8:08pm Sat 9 Jan 10
3 weeks on the bins years ago as you say .I suppose that makes you an expert does it . Try 15 to 25 years my friend like some of the lads i know .
You are the Crackpot as you put it .The conditions out there are treacherous in places . There are people young and old out there really struggling in these sub zero temperatures who need help and you are moaning on about a bit of un collected rubbish .
Once the weather eases up trust me it will all be cleaned up .
Lets all stay safe in this arctic weather .
enoch-powell
says...
9:19pm Sat 9 Jan 10
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Hmmmmmm...........12
.15 AM ????? If i was to put my rubbish bags and bins outside of the community centre at 12.15AM surely I would be charged with fly tipping , should I try ???
fullagrit
says...
9:30pm Sat 9 Jan 10
Could it be the risk assessment formula they used came up with the logic that if we keep the yellow grit bins EMPTY in the UNLIKLEY event of HEAVY SNOW and the bin wagons could not drive on the UNGRITTED SECONDARY RDS
then all the extra waste created could be put in the EMPTY YELLOW GRIT BINS,
brilliant!!!! and think of all the money we could save on the rock salt too
fullagrit
says...
9:52pm Sat 9 Jan 10
Karen Patton
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2:32pm Sun 10 Jan 10
The Curator
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5:59pm Sun 10 Jan 10
If its too icy for residents to get to the collection points ,then equally its too icy underfoot for the refuse collectors also .
Elderly and disabled people should be on an assisted collection list .So should not be expected to drag their refuse anywhere .
Yes many people will be at work so you simply leave your refuse at your collection point prior to leaving for work ,if it is safe to do so .
You are right it is the Council workers job to collect your refuse .You must surely accept that these are pretty extreme weather conditions and some disruption was likely .
Finally who is going to be responsible when refuse collectors break limbs whilst falling on the ice .
I will accept that the level of gritting and availability of salt via the boxes etc has been poor .
As I said in an earlier post lets all try to stay safe in this artic weather and things will be cleaned up once the weather eases up .
Thanks .
A-Reader
says...
8:55pm Sun 10 Jan 10
If it was somewhere reasonably near, like a couple of hundred yards, then I would have done my bit to help the situation. But a mile? Get real councillors, we don't all have cars. If I had transport, I would have already moved stuff to the local recycling centre! Honestly, the idiocy of some. They MEAN well I suppose....
tzeddie
says...
9:16pm Mon 11 Jan 10
These people obviously could not find their own backsides with both hands. If anyone can think of a more ineffective plan than this then you MUST apply for a job with the council ASAP.
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Good Morning
This is our action plan so far, the Refuse and recycling crews are all out empting bins today randomly and they will be doing so all week.
Refuse and recycling collection - temporary action plan in view of ongoing adverse weather January 2010
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Background
In view of forecast ongoing adverse weather conditions preventing the usual collection of refuse and recycling, action needs to be taken to provide an alternative collection system.
Aim
To remove for recycling or disposal as much municipal waste as possible, within the parameters of health and safety.
Key partners
A meeting was held on Friday 8 Jan 2010 involving Verdant, Cleansing and B Direct staff to discuss and communicate the plans.
Cleansing - T Watson, T Trayler, A Whitehead, C Denmark, S Hammond, W Harwood, M Holt
Recycling contractor - M Entwistle
B Direct - Z Khan, R McQueen
PR - L Higham
Highways - C Denmark, A Whitehead acting as main links
Consultees
Councillors - AC
Senior Management - AS, PH
Community safety - V Clarke
TVH
____________________
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___________________
Draft Plan - summary
Temperatures are not forecast to rise enough to thaw the snow and ice for the next week. More snow is forecast for Sunday. This is the basis upon which this plan has been drawn up.
Assumptions
* Adequate grit stocks remain to continue to grit main routes
* Sufficient vehicles and staff to operate gritting vehicles
* Vehicle fleet recycling and refuse - no breakdowns
Plan of action for Monday and Tuesday 11 and 12 January 2010
The refuse and recycling collection schedules will not apply until further notice.
Instead, the following arrangement will be put in place and reviewed every 24 hours :
1. Refuse collection
Urban routes - we have 8 vehicles/crews. Four crews/vehicles will be given a route to drive which will follow the routes that we know are priority routes for gritting. The 4 crews will follow this same route every day until further notice.
These 4 crews will collect refuse where it is safe to do so, along this route : this will mainly be bags of course. Where possible they will leave replacement bags.
Urban collection points - the 4 remaining refuse crews/vehicles will be given 4 collection points each (ie 16 in total). Each crew will park up at the same 4 collection points (all on gritted routes) for 1.5 hours per point every day until further notice. It will be their job to act as collection points where householders who live in streets off gritted routes, can bring their refuse to be disposed of. The staff will take refuse from householders and place it in the vehicles and issue new bags
Rural round - the 1 rural round will take the same route through Hoddlesden, Edgworth, Belmont and Tockholes each day parking at for 30 mins at the same collection points each time. Residents can then bring their refuse to the vehicle if they deem it safe to do so
Trade refuse - separate arrangements will be made where possible to collect, notably the town centres
2. Recycling collection
Urban routes - 4 recycling vehicles will follow the same routes as the 4 refuse vehicles as above
Urban collection points - a recycling vehicle will be parked next to the refuse vehicle at the same collection points as above (Note - 2 of these 4 vehicles will be caged tippers re directed from refuse collection duties, the other 2 will be normal recycling collection RCVs)
Rural round - where possible, a caged tipper will follow the refuse vehicle and provide a recycling collection point
Trade recycling - separate arrangements will be made where possible to collect, notably the town centres
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Key messages
* This is a temporary plan only and will be kept under daily review
* Garden waste collection - suspended until further notice
* Side waste will be taken
* Please continue to recycle
* Household waste recycling centres are open
* Bulky waste collection - suspended until further notice
* Litter bins - these will be emptied on gritted routes only where possible
* Please do whatever you can to make sure it is clear to our staff what is refuse for disposal and what is recyclables for recycling
* Replacement bags (i) refuse - we have no more lilac bags and so black bags will be
Question and answers
1. What if I cant get to the collection point at the time your vehicle will be there ?
Please only bring your refuse and or recyclables if you can get to the collection points at the advertised time. We don't want people dumping bags at other times as this will present all kinds of health and safety problems.
Please try and visit another collection point.
2. The collection points - will your staff be dragging bins and bags from side roads to the parked collection vehicle ?
No. Unless it is safe for them to do so, they will remain with the vehicle and help to load refuse/recyclables brought to them
3. Where are the collection points ?
See separate sheet below
4. What are the daily collection routes
See separate sheet, below
General advice
* Flatten and compact your waste and recyclables to make best use of bin/bag space - plastic bottles, cardboard boxes
* Food waste - reuse left overs ! What you cannot reuse, bag up securely.
* Recycling - please continue to recycle as much as you can
* Please help elderly neighbours if you can
* Please take care moving your waste/recyclables
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Daily refuse /recycling collection points and times
1. There are 16 collection points covering the urban areas, as follows :-
Each Area = 1 refuse and 1 recycle vehicle
Area 1
Time Location
8.00am - 9.30am Chester Street / Audley Sports Centre
9.45am - 11.15am Rothesay Road / Shadsworth Community Centre
12.15am - 1.45pm Newfield Drive / Fishmoor Community Centre
2.00pm - 3.30pm Green Park / Aqueduct Road
Area 2
Time Location
8.00am - 9.30am Garage Site / Rear Whalley New Road / Douglas Place
9.45am - 11.15am Rhodes Ave / Pleckgate Road
12.15am - 1.45pm Birley Street - Blackburn
2.00pm - 3.30pm Robinson Street / Philips Road
Area 3
Time Location
8.00am - 9.30am Birchall Avenue / Junction The Meadows
9.45am - 11.15am Rear of Edward Street / Vale Street Car Park
12.15am - 1.45pm Outside Community Centre on Olive Lane / Sudellside Community Centre
2.00pm - 3.30pm Bottom of Queens Road / Outside Whitehall Park
Area 4
Time Location
8.00am - 9.30am Green Lane o/s Community Centre
9.45am - 11.15am Tower Road / road to Pleasington Cemetery
12.15am - 1.45pm Dixon Street / Garden Street
2.00pm - 3.30pm Meins Road / Side of Woodlands Public House
2. There are also the following collection points for the rural areas :-
Rural area
Time Location
6.30am - 7.15am Tockholes - Rock Lane Pub
7.30am - 8.15am Belmont - Grange Cottages
8.45am - 9.30am Chapeltown - Station Road
9.45am - 10.30am Edgworth - Barlow Institute
10.45am - 11.30am Edgworth - Moorfield Road/Bolton Rd junction
11.45am - 12.30pm Edgworth - entrance to Crown Gardens
1.30pm - 2.00pm Hoddlesden - Memorial, village centre
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Communicating our message to customers, staff and key stakeholders
(i) Customers- domestic and trade
Press release to radio, press
Radio live interview
Answer phone message at B Direct and any locations available
Web site
Lucie Higham is handling the media ..
(ii) Staff
All the above plus :
Q&A above
Review meetings
E mails
Maps - copies of collection routes and points will be provided to Verdant and |B Direct on/before 11 Jan 2010.
RM is training B Direct staff and seeking to put an answer phone (out of hours) message on the main call number
(iii) Stakeholders - senior management, Cllrs, media
All the above plus :
Specific updates to AS, PH, and Cllr AC
Review
This plan will be reviewed daily, and amended as necessary
Additional resources being sought
. Snow chains for refuse vehicles
. Special footwear for refuse staff
. Warm weather clothing for refuse staff
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S Hammond 8 Jan 2010
If you have any further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Cleansing e-team
Customer Services
Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
cleansing@blackburn.
gov.uk
fullagrit
says...
11:32pm Mon 11 Jan 10
tzeddie wrote:What a load of **** and nonsence how many bins could have been emptied while that was being written, the world,sorry BLackburn has gone MAD !!!!
Thought some of you might be interested in the email sent to me by the council in response to my question of WHEN? will my bins be emptied.Not seen a refuse truck since 9th December 2009. These people obviously could not find their own backsides with both hands. If anyone can think of a more ineffective plan than this then you MUST apply for a job with the council ASAP. -------------------- -------------------- Good Morning This is our action plan so far, the Refuse and recycling crews are all out empting bins today randomly and they will be doing so all week. Refuse and recycling collection - temporary action plan in view of ongoing adverse weather January 2010 ____________________ ____________________ _ Background In view of forecast ongoing adverse weather conditions preventing the usual collection of refuse and recycling, action needs to be taken to provide an alternative collection system. Aim To remove for recycling or disposal as much municipal waste as possible, within the parameters of health and safety. Key partners A meeting was held on Friday 8 Jan 2010 involving Verdant, Cleansing and B Direct staff to discuss and communicate the plans. Cleansing - T Watson, T Trayler, A Whitehead, C Denmark, S Hammond, W Harwood, M Holt Recycling contractor - M Entwistle B Direct - Z Khan, R McQueen PR - L Higham Highways - C Denmark, A Whitehead acting as main links Consultees Councillors - AC Senior Management - AS, PH Community safety - V Clarke TVH ____________________ ____________________ ___________________ Draft Plan - summary Temperatures are not forecast to rise enough to thaw the snow and ice for the next week. More snow is forecast for Sunday. This is the basis upon which this plan has been drawn up. Assumptions * Adequate grit stocks remain to continue to grit main routes * Sufficient vehicles and staff to operate gritting vehicles * Vehicle fleet recycling and refuse - no breakdowns Plan of action for Monday and Tuesday 11 and 12 January 2010 The refuse and recycling collection schedules will not apply until further notice. Instead, the following arrangement will be put in place and reviewed every 24 hours : 1. Refuse collection Urban routes - we have 8 vehicles/crews. Four crews/vehicles will be given a route to drive which will follow the routes that we know are priority routes for gritting. The 4 crews will follow this same route every day until further notice. These 4 crews will collect refuse where it is safe to do so, along this route : this will mainly be bags of course. Where possible they will leave replacement bags. Urban collection points - the 4 remaining refuse crews/vehicles will be given 4 collection points each (ie 16 in total). Each crew will park up at the same 4 collection points (all on gritted routes) for 1.5 hours per point every day until further notice. It will be their job to act as collection points where householders who live in streets off gritted routes, can bring their refuse to be disposed of. The staff will take refuse from householders and place it in the vehicles and issue new bags Rural round - the 1 rural round will take the same route through Hoddlesden, Edgworth, Belmont and Tockholes each day parking at for 30 mins at the same collection points each time. Residents can then bring their refuse to the vehicle if they deem it safe to do so Trade refuse - separate arrangements will be made where possible to collect, notably the town centres 2. Recycling collection Urban routes - 4 recycling vehicles will follow the same routes as the 4 refuse vehicles as above Urban collection points - a recycling vehicle will be parked next to the refuse vehicle at the same collection points as above (Note - 2 of these 4 vehicles will be caged tippers re directed from refuse collection duties, the other 2 will be normal recycling collection RCVs) Rural round - where possible, a caged tipper will follow the refuse vehicle and provide a recycling collection point Trade recycling - separate arrangements will be made where possible to collect, notably the town centres ____________________ ____________________ ________________ Key messages * This is a temporary plan only and will be kept under daily review * Garden waste collection - suspended until further notice * Side waste will be taken * Please continue to recycle * Household waste recycling centres are open * Bulky waste collection - suspended until further notice * Litter bins - these will be emptied on gritted routes only where possible * Please do whatever you can to make sure it is clear to our staff what is refuse for disposal and what is recyclables for recycling * Replacement bags (i) refuse - we have no more lilac bags and so black bags will be Question and answers 1. What if I cant get to the collection point at the time your vehicle will be there ? Please only bring your refuse and or recyclables if you can get to the collection points at the advertised time. We don't want people dumping bags at other times as this will present all kinds of health and safety problems. Please try and visit another collection point. 2. The collection points - will your staff be dragging bins and bags from side roads to the parked collection vehicle ? No. Unless it is safe for them to do so, they will remain with the vehicle and help to load refuse/recyclables brought to them 3. Where are the collection points ? See separate sheet below 4. What are the daily collection routes See separate sheet, below General advice * Flatten and compact your waste and recyclables to make best use of bin/bag space - plastic bottles, cardboard boxes * Food waste - reuse left overs ! What you cannot reuse, bag up securely. * Recycling - please continue to recycle as much as you can * Please help elderly neighbours if you can * Please take care moving your waste/recyclables ____________________ ____________________ ____________________ __ Daily refuse /recycling collection points and times 1. There are 16 collection points covering the urban areas, as follows :- Each Area = 1 refuse and 1 recycle vehicle Area 1 Time Location 8.00am - 9.30am Chester Street / Audley Sports Centre 9.45am - 11.15am Rothesay Road / Shadsworth Community Centre 12.15am - 1.45pm Newfield Drive / Fishmoor Community Centre 2.00pm - 3.30pm Green Park / Aqueduct Road Area 2 Time Location 8.00am - 9.30am Garage Site / Rear Whalley New Road / Douglas Place 9.45am - 11.15am Rhodes Ave / Pleckgate Road 12.15am - 1.45pm Birley Street - Blackburn 2.00pm - 3.30pm Robinson Street / Philips Road Area 3 Time Location 8.00am - 9.30am Birchall Avenue / Junction The Meadows 9.45am - 11.15am Rear of Edward Street / Vale Street Car Park 12.15am - 1.45pm Outside Community Centre on Olive Lane / Sudellside Community Centre 2.00pm - 3.30pm Bottom of Queens Road / Outside Whitehall Park Area 4 Time Location 8.00am - 9.30am Green Lane o/s Community Centre 9.45am - 11.15am Tower Road / road to Pleasington Cemetery 12.15am - 1.45pm Dixon Street / Garden Street 2.00pm - 3.30pm Meins Road / Side of Woodlands Public House 2. There are also the following collection points for the rural areas :- Rural area Time Location 6.30am - 7.15am Tockholes - Rock Lane Pub 7.30am - 8.15am Belmont - Grange Cottages 8.45am - 9.30am Chapeltown - Station Road 9.45am - 10.30am Edgworth - Barlow Institute 10.45am - 11.30am Edgworth - Moorfield Road/Bolton Rd junction 11.45am - 12.30pm Edgworth - entrance to Crown Gardens 1.30pm - 2.00pm Hoddlesden - Memorial, village centre ____________________ ____________________ ____________________ ___ Communicating our message to customers, staff and key stakeholders (i) Customers- domestic and trade Press release to radio, press Radio live interview Answer phone message at B Direct and any locations available Web site Lucie Higham is handling the media .. (ii) Staff All the above plus : Q&A above Review meetings E mails Maps - copies of collection routes and points will be provided to Verdant and |B Direct on/before 11 Jan 2010. RM is training B Direct staff and seeking to put an answer phone (out of hours) message on the main call number (iii) Stakeholders - senior management, Cllrs, media All the above plus : Specific updates to AS, PH, and Cllr AC Review This plan will be reviewed daily, and amended as necessary Additional resources being sought . Snow chains for refuse vehicles . Special footwear for refuse staff . Warm weather clothing for refuse staff ____________________ __________ S Hammond 8 Jan 2010 If you have any further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us. Cleansing e-team Customer Services Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council cleansing@blackburn. gov.uk
Karen Patton
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10:13am Tue 12 Jan 10
The Curator wrote:Response to The Curator, Ribble Valley. I agree with some of your points you have said. But some collection points are a long way off for some people to get to and some people have had bad experiences with this system. The bin men are not to blame they just doing what they are told. They are insured for their job and should be gven the correct footwear for the weather conditions.
Karen If its too icy for residents to get to the collection points ,then equally its too icy underfoot for the refuse collectors also . Elderly and disabled people should be on an assisted collection list .So should not be expected to drag their refuse anywhere . Yes many people will be at work so you simply leave your refuse at your collection point prior to leaving for work ,if it is safe to do so . You are right it is the Council workers job to collect your refuse .You must surely accept that these are pretty extreme weather conditions and some disruption was likely . Finally who is going to be responsible when refuse collectors break limbs whilst falling on the ice . I will accept that the level of gritting and availability of salt via the boxes etc has been poor . As I said in an earlier post lets all try to stay safe in this artic weather and things will be cleaned up once the weather eases up . Thanks .
Its not an easy situation for anybody and things will ease up once the weather thaws and things start to clean up.
anne, darwen
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10:30am Tue 12 Jan 10
bazil0210
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3:54pm Tue 12 Jan 10
-Layla-
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4:21pm Tue 12 Jan 10
tenerc
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4:39pm Tue 12 Jan 10
if anybody can tell me why they arnt doing the oakenhurst road area, last week they came and it was worse then.
tzeddie
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6:17pm Tue 12 Jan 10
tenerc wrote:Well said. As a side note, bins on regents park estate have not been emptied for a month now. All the more incredible given that the refuse trucks are based at a depot (Davyfield) that can be seen from some of the residents homes. They actually drive past the estate to get practically anywhere.
so far we`ve not our bins emptied this week, didn`t come Monday didn`t come today, people arnt taking bins in, why take them in then miss them IF they come the next day, gritters have been, buses are running, so why not bin wagons?, if anybody can tell me why they arnt doing the oakenhurst road area, last week they came and it was worse then.
Like I said earlier. Could not find their own a**e with both hands.
campbell69s
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7:03pm Tue 12 Jan 10
The roads are clear now, only the pavements still have snow and ice
CapitaBackHander
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9:03pm Tue 12 Jan 10
I took my recycling (not sorting it and taking it to the tip!) to the wagons opposite Lidl and then onto Suddell Com Cen. I think I was the only one using them.
The irony was that I drove up the back alley that the wagan allegedly can't get up and then onto the very slippy car park where the wagons were.
I thought the whole idea was pretty useless as the majority of people will hopefully be working.
I also think all that recycling will be going to land fill, I hope I am very wrong.
Without any doubt the bins could have been collected today, that includes the thought of any over the top H&S officer.
fullagrit
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1:02am Wed 13 Jan 10
Secondly I went to the local bookies and presented the case above,the odds they gave me on getting my bin emptied was to good to be true SO wait for it ........I put all my savings on my bin not being emptied and guess what????
GETTT IN KERCHING GRIT SALT PAID FOR and a handsome proffit which I intend to by 10 tonne of grit for next year.
Now I have given you the formula get on it and lets put this moaning to bed.
And if you want another tip its going to be a BARBEQUE SUMMER followed by a cold spell of Carbon footprints with a chance of greenhouse gases the ice will melt for a few years some polar bears will drown Gas will run out water will be contaminated all crops will die petrol will reach one hundred and seventy two pence a gallon and hard working people will pay tax @ 75% and all the people who don't work can do WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BECAUSE IT IS THEIR RIGHT.
Welcome to Great Britian
(Bloody ell feel better now I got that of my chest).
Blondie
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9:32am Wed 13 Jan 10
One very disabled neighbour would help me out too.
Our street is very much a community spirited street where we pull together looking out for each other.
One resident kindly took our rubbish in his car to help us out and he was walking with crutches at the time and yet our bin men can't do the job they are paid to do.
It isn't there fault don't go blaming them.
Today we have become a mammbie pammbie state and so many folk don't want to help and all they do is bloody complain!
I'm off out later on to get rid of some of those bin bags and for those that are at home all day and who are fit as fiddles try getting of your backsides and bring back a bit of community spirit in what is a time of need.
Those on community orders could be used to help out too.
snow white
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11:25am Wed 13 Jan 10
rovers-baz
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12:00pm Wed 13 Jan 10
rovers-baz
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12:07pm Wed 13 Jan 10
A Darener
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12:16pm Wed 13 Jan 10
rovers-baz wrote:Ahhhhhhhh!!!! The good old days.
remember the 70`s and 80`s when they use to come round open your back gate get your bin carry it to the wagon empty it then return your bin and close your gate...now its oh its to heavy or the lid is up or there is some white stuff on the ground i may slip.....call health and safety
mum63
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1:45pm Wed 13 Jan 10
mum63
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1:45pm Wed 13 Jan 10
pocketdragon
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1:50pm Wed 13 Jan 10
think i'll tape the lid shut and sledge it down, then make binman drag it back home! and i get 2 goes!!!!
not sure what day ive to do this on tho....
lazy council!!!
electroman
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4:09pm Wed 13 Jan 10
pull some strings
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4:23pm Wed 13 Jan 10
I bet half the people who comment about Council tax don't even pay it, or get at least the same amount back in other state benefits.
This is not a communist country, in adverse conditions perhaps they might want to get off their backsides and take their rubbish to the tip if it's such a problem.
CAG1
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4:46pm Wed 13 Jan 10
My bin collection day is Wednesday. Three weeks ago, on the Wednesday, the council put a note on the bins in my area saying they couldn't collect them due to the weather - they also left bags for rubbish and recycling. Today they hand gritted the road beforehand so the bin wagon could collect the rubbish.
They even set up collection points.
They've also gritted and used snow ploughs on the main roads (as have the Highways Agency on the motorways).
What more can they do? I have friends in other parts of the country and their councils have done NOTHING.
It's about time people realised it's been a couple of weeks of inconvenience. The snow will go and we'll be back to normal.
No doubt people will respond with their usual negativity - probably about girt bins or the fact that the council didn't grit their driveways or cleared the snow from their gardens or came into their houses emptied every bin in the house then cleaned up before taking their rubbish away! The council can't do everything (unless you're prepared to pay for it!).
So thank you council for clearing the main roads and for emptying the bins safely when you could.
The Curator
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4:57pm Wed 13 Jan 10
Good call mate .I to have read a lot of old moaning about a bit of delayed bin collecting etc . I think some have used this page as break from slagging off BFS s up and under football which really is grim .
tzeddie
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6:45pm Wed 13 Jan 10
ghost of sceptic
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7:24pm Wed 13 Jan 10
ghost of sceptic
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7:50pm Wed 13 Jan 10
The Curator
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8:00pm Wed 13 Jan 10
ghost of sceptic
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8:22pm Wed 13 Jan 10
The Curator
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8:26pm Wed 13 Jan 10
ghost of sceptic
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8:40pm Wed 13 Jan 10
The Curator
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8:59pm Wed 13 Jan 10
Must go off to wax my snowboard for team 4.
tillymilly
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9:36pm Wed 13 Jan 10
load of rubbish..
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10:48am Thu 14 Jan 10
Well done Blackburn council keep up the good work.....
I just wonder sometimes what is wrong with these people? Did something happen to them when they children??.....
Crosscut
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12:11pm Thu 14 Jan 10
Alixet
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1:38pm Thu 14 Jan 10
Blackburn Bunny
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4:03pm Thu 14 Jan 10
overthehill wrote:Exactly, what are we paying council tax for. I dont suppose we will get a discount for emptying our own bins lol
what an absolute joke. i think i may suspend my ever rising council tax in april
A-Reader
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10:23pm Thu 14 Jan 10
However if they start mucking about, complaining about loose bags and open lids, what then?
We can hardly boycott them can we?
tzeddie
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6:57pm Fri 15 Jan 10
FOR GODS SAKE HOW HARD CAN IT BE!
The Curator
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7:25pm Fri 15 Jan 10
What are your road conditions like around your house ? .Have you contacted the council regarding your collection ?.You could have moved your refuse to a safe collection point to aid the collectors , as many in this area did . Its all well and good coming on here moaning on ,but what efforts have you made to help things out in this arctic weather .Some streets i have been on today were only fit for Torvill and Dean .
The Ozard
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8:16pm Fri 15 Jan 10
I live on a Cul-De-Sac off Moorgate Street and was informed by a neighbour that it had been anounced on the radio that we had to take our bins and bags to the end of the street for collection. I checked the BwD website for confirmation and sure enough there it was in black and white =
"Residents are requested, where they can, to bring their bins to the end of cul-de-sacs and back streets for 7.30am on their collection day".
We duly did as requested but the bins were not emptied when i called the council to ask why the bins had not been emptied despite us having done what the council had requested, I was informed that the website does not ask us to take our bins to the end of the road and this was simply my interpretation of the wording and the young council chap on the phone continued to talk over me as I attempted to question this statement and his attitude - I am left dumbfounded at the lack of service but more so at the utter arrogance and lack of proffesionalism shown by the council in response to my query - I will be writing to the council for an explanation of this poor service.
tzeddie
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9:18pm Fri 15 Jan 10
The Curator wrote:Road conditions are fine and have been for a week. Yes I and many of the residents have contacted the council every single day this week and still have made ZERO progress. I feel that dragging a recycle bin, a general waste bin and over 20 full bin bags over a mile to my nearest collection point is not really a reasonable expectation. I will not be putting any of this waste in a car as it STINKS. Would you? I don't think so. And yes I am coming on here moaning as you like to put it, in the hope that I might shame our pathetic excuse for a council to take some action and shift this rotting ****.And yes everyone including myself have made every effort to clear our own streets. That is how we have all been able to drive ourselves to work all week. As I have said before. Couldn't find their own backside with both hands.
tzeddie What are your road conditions like around your house ? .Have you contacted the council regarding your collection ?.You could have moved your refuse to a safe collection point to aid the collectors , as many in this area did . Its all well and good coming on here moaning on ,but what efforts have you made to help things out in this arctic weather .Some streets i have been on today were only fit for Torvill and Dean .
The Curator
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9:45pm Fri 15 Jan 10
Fair play if as you say the road is fit for a 20 odd tonne vehicle and you have made every effort to clear your street ,then you are perfectly right to be annoyed .If you havent had a collection since 9th Dec then this is a poor effort .
Good Luck
blackburner
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10:05pm Fri 15 Jan 10
tzeddie wrote:you keep banging on about regents park, which part of regents park do you live on? is it the, i cant be ar5ed to get off my ar5e and take a few bags to the tip part of the estate, not once have i heard you mention, how you have been contacting barratts constantly about the lack of grit in the bins that are dotted around regents park,
37 days and counting. And STILL, no sign of Blackburn with Darwen Council collecting any refuse from Regents Park Lower Darwen. The councils failure to deal with this matter is frankly breath taking. FOR GODS SAKE HOW HARD CAN IT BE!
tzeddie
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10:57pm Fri 15 Jan 10
Mike Hock
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1:08am Sat 16 Jan 10
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What is more valuable? Recycling. What costs more for disposal, particularly after Christmas? Refuse.
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It is obvious that the word 'refuse' has been taken out of context by the work-shy 'operatives' who refuse to do the work they're paid to do.
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No longer will I put my refuse bin close to the pavement. They can walk the extra 4 yards and collect it, because I have to walk 30 yards to collect it after they've been, and wait weeks because they're scared of slipping. The Postman isn't scared (like many other foot-workers) of slipping! This has shown these tax funded employees (refuse operatives) in a whole new light. Lazy and bone-idle is shining bright.
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I, like many households, have a car, but why should people put weeks of uncollected refuse into the boot and make it smell of rotten food? If I had to put it in the boot I wouldn't make it to the tip because I would empty it right onto the steps of the Town Hall.
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BRFC 1
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2:42pm Sat 16 Jan 10
Ive personally seen many Blackburn bin lads charging around the place .They did not look "lazy and bone idle"to me .
Perhaps one or two of you above could find something more constructive to do with your time .
Mike Hock
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2:53pm Sat 16 Jan 10
BRFC 1
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3:05pm Sat 16 Jan 10
If you are so unhappy .Try moving there .Perhaps your views may change and you could start thinking more rationally.
blackburner
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4:55pm Sat 16 Jan 10
tzeddie wrote:actually, on regents park, residents pay a ground rent, for services like provisions of grit bins, grass cutting etc, i would like to think that as you have so much to complain about should, the lack of grit in the bins or the state of the grass after the gardeners have finished not be up to your highest of standards several complaints will be made to barretts, is it the councils fault it snowed so hard, this snow has been on the ground for a month, the bins on regents park are due to be emptied on wednesday as the collections are back to normal, so hopefully after that we wont read your comments on here about you, you, you, & your bin
Let me see. Empty grit bins-Street not got any ice or snow. You work it out. And maybe you would like to fill your car with stinking****. No I didn't think so. It is actually a shame that Barratt homes do not run services for the council because if they did we would have empty bins and clean streets. And please excuse me for having the cheek to ask for the provision of a service I have payed for.
BRFC 1
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8:29pm Sat 16 Jan 10
So you are fed up with all this moaning as well then..
The Curator
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10:54pm Sat 16 Jan 10
Seems like its you then who is bone idle and lazy not the Refuse Collectors. Must try harder mate .Roll on Wednesday .Let us know how you get on .Maybe you would like to tip your bin men .Happy New Year .
blackburner
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10:15am Sun 17 Jan 10
BRFC 1 wrote:its like pulling teeth,its about time tzeddie changed then record, i live in the same area, the council have said countless times, all rubbish will be collected as soon as!!!
backburner So you are fed up with all this moaning as well then..
lets hope they cart tzeddie off at the same time, then i will tip the refuse collectors, i am sure they are looking forward to meeting tz, i actually know the lads who do the refuse collections, would'nt it be funny if they by passed his house on
wednesday
tzeddie, if you want me to, i will nip round and take your rubbish to the tip, because i have that community spirit, HOW HARD CAN IT BE!!!!!!!!!!
tzeddie
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10:16am Sun 17 Jan 10
BRFC 1 wrote:Personally I have never had an issue with the bin men themselves. But I do have an issue with their management, who seem unable to cope with the situation in an effective way. A "Draft Plan" to deal with the situation was only agreed on 8th January a week after it snowed. Oh yes great plan. Lets have our staff stand around at a few collection points that are too far away for most people to get to so that they can collect the minimum amount of waste possible. Furthermore we can have these collection points open when everyone is at work. We could also tell everyone not to bring any waste before or after these times so they have no chance whatsoever of disposing of any waste. GREAT PLAN. Most companies would replace managers lacking basic organisational skills so why should they be allowed to continue working within councils?
The good news is the weather is warming up the ice will go and the likes of Mike Hock and co can stop slagging off Bin Men in Blackburn . Ive personally seen many Blackburn bin lads charging around the place .They did not look "lazy and bone idle"to me . Perhaps one or two of you above could find something more constructive to do with your time .
As for those who say they are fed up with the moaning, well you can't be that fed up if are compelled to come back to read these pages every day. Or perhaps one or more of you are in some part responsible for the fiasco that is waste collection in Bwd. Hmm I wonder?
blackburner
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10:24am Sun 17 Jan 10
tzeddie wrote:you would winge if the collection point was outside your house
BRFC 1 wrote: The good news is the weather is warming up the ice will go and the likes of Mike Hock and co can stop slagging off Bin Men in Blackburn . Ive personally seen many Blackburn bin lads charging around the place .They did not look "lazy and bone idle"to me . Perhaps one or two of you above could find something more constructive to do with your time .Personally I have never had an issue with the bin men themselves. But I do have an issue with their management, who seem unable to cope with the situation in an effective way. A "Draft Plan" to deal with the situation was only agreed on 8th January a week after it snowed. Oh yes great plan. Lets have our staff stand around at a few collection points that are too far away for most people to get to so that they can collect the minimum amount of waste possible. Furthermore we can have these collection points open when everyone is at work. We could also tell everyone not to bring any waste before or after these times so they have no chance whatsoever of disposing of any waste. GREAT PLAN. Most companies would replace managers lacking basic organisational skills so why should they be allowed to continue working within councils? As for those who say they are fed up with the moaning, well you can't be that fed up if are compelled to come back to read these pages every day. Or perhaps one or more of you are in some part responsible for the fiasco that is waste collection in Bwd. Hmm I wonder?
tzeddie
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10:25am Sun 17 Jan 10
blackburner wrote:I accept you generous offer. I hope you have a very large van.
BRFC 1 wrote: backburner So you are fed up with all this moaning as well then..its like pulling teeth,its about time tzeddie changed then record, i live in the same area, the council have said countless times, all rubbish will be collected as soon as!!! lets hope they cart tzeddie off at the same time, then i will tip the refuse collectors, i am sure they are looking forward to meeting tz, i actually know the lads who do the refuse collections, would'nt it be funny if they by passed his house on wednesday tzeddie, if you want me to, i will nip round and take your rubbish to the tip, because i have that community spirit, HOW HARD CAN IT BE!!!!!!!!!!
blackburner
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10:42am Sun 17 Jan 10
The Curator
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11:05am Sun 17 Jan 10
Some really good posts .I bet the bin lads are really looking forward to Wednesdays visit to Regents Park .Please wish them all the best .
blackburner
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11:16am Sun 17 Jan 10
all the best
tzeddie
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5:44pm Sun 17 Jan 10
blackburner wrote:EVERY house has a mountain of rubbish outside. And no I have not complained about gritting I found the bin provided at the entrance of the estate quite useful in fact. And as for a Wednesday collection? Snow forecast for Tuesday so I won't be surprised if it does not happen. Sad testament indeed.
i think the bin lads will know tz's house it'll be the one with the"mountain" of rubbish outside it.. all the best
Oh and BRFC1, I can see why you would think bad management at BwD council would be acceptable, after all, if you support Blackburn Rovers you will think it is the norm eh?
BRFC 1
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5:53pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Not long until Wednesday now mate .I bet you are excited. Do not forget to get that tip ready for those hard working bin lads . They may be badly managed but they will be buzzing round this week . I heard a whisper they are partial to a drop of Stella . I would recomend a crate at least .
CHEERS
tzeddie
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10:15am Tue 19 Jan 10
cracker
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9:45am Wed 20 Jan 10
BRFC 1
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11:36pm Wed 20 Jan 10
Good to see you are keeping a close eye on your hard working local bin lads .Surely you have something better to do .Like my mate tzeddie I hope you were equally as quick to dash out in the cold and give them their Xmas tip .
It just might make a difference you know .
Crosscut
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9:56am Thu 21 Jan 10
tzeddie
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9:34pm Thu 21 Jan 10
Wear a warm coat and wear decent winter boots. After all, it can get slippery out there.
BRFC 1
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12:43pm Fri 22 Jan 10
CHEERS for now .
tzeddie
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6:37pm Fri 22 Jan 10
BRFC 1
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8:17pm Fri 22 Jan 10
You could make the first move though .There are some pretty reasonable bin lads out there ,even if they are badly managed .
overthehill says...
8:34pm Wed 6 Jan 10