Plans for 1,500-pupil Muslim girls boarding school in Burnley

SEAT OF LEARNING: The Burnley College building on Ormerod Road

SEAT OF LEARNING: The Burnley College building on Ormerod Road

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Chief reporter

THE former Burnley College building has been targeted to get a 1,500-pupil Muslim boarding school for girls.

A leading charity has announced it wants to take over the vacated college in Ormerod Road and it hopes to attract girls from all over Europe.

If it goes ahead it will be one of the few Muslim girls’ boarding schools in the country.

General secretary Amjad Bashir of the Al-Ehya Trust said the facility would be a great asset for the town.

But Burnley Council leader Gordon Birtwistle said that while it was important that the Grade II listed building is occupied the proposal must meet strict planning criteria.

The £2million international school could be up and running by the start of the 2010 term, the charity said.

The Birmingham-based Al-Ehya Trust said it is in the final stages of purchasing the Ormerod Road landmark.

Trust leaders had conducted a Lancashire-wide search for a home for the project and had considered converting either Brierfield Mills or the former Egyptian Mill in Bolton for students.

But officials are now pressing ahead with ambitious proposals for the former Burnley College site, vacated when the establishment moved to their new campus in Princess Way following the summer 2009 term.

The trust was founded by Hazrat Pir Alauddin Siddiqui, a Pakistani-based sheikh. And an open day, which the spiritual leader attended, has already taken place this week for scholars and the scheme's supporters at the historic building near Burnley town centre.

Mr Bashir from the charity said that the college would offer a full range of science, arts and information technology subjects alongside a traditional Islamic education.

He said: "This will be an international community college that will provide for the needs of Islamic women. It is not just some mad place where they are going to be brainwashed by nonsense.”

He told the Lancashire Telegraph that a need had been identified for such a project and months of work had gone into finding an appropriate site.

"We hope to be up-and-running by the start of the next academic year," said Mr Bashir, who hopes to meet with representatives from Burnley council and the community in the coming weeks.

An estimated 1,100 students could become part of the boarding school project, a meeting of Burnley full council was told.

Coun Wajid Khan, welcoming the scheme, said: "Not one penny of taxpayers' money will be spent on this. It is all coming as a result of private donations.

"It is quite important that this council is aware of the facts in terms of this £2million investment in Burnley. It will be an international college, whether people believe that or not."

Coun Khan said that around £600,000 of the total funding required for the boarding school had been collected by the trust in a single two-hour fundraising exercise.

Coun Birtwistle said that no formal approach had yet been made to the council on the proposed college.

But he said: “It is an important building for the town and we would encourage anyone interested in the site to get in contact with us.”

Previously the former college buildings had been earmarked for housing, with the main building set to be converted into apartments and 89

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But fears were raised about potential flooding problems caused by the River Brun.

There are very few Muslim girls’ boarding schools in the country, with the nearest being in Lancaster.

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10:25am Fri 23 Oct 09

NICEONESUNSHINE says...

No doubt the censor will be busy today!!!!!
No doubt the censor will be busy today!!!!! NICEONESUNSHINE
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10:28am Fri 23 Oct 09

mickyfin says...

Oh my god, what a nightmare
Oh my god, what a nightmare mickyfin
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10:36am Fri 23 Oct 09

Dogsbolloxs says...

As this is a "Europe Wide" school maybe they should ask our MEP to open the building. I am sure Mr Griffin would be delighted to attend.
As this is a "Europe Wide" school maybe they should ask our MEP to open the building. I am sure Mr Griffin would be delighted to attend. Dogsbolloxs
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11:12am Fri 23 Oct 09

Noiticer says...

Another faith school and another nail in the coffin for cultural and religious integration. It is a recipe for future civil and social strife. Get rid of all faith schools of all denominations before it is too late. Think Northern Ireland and see what can happen. Add in ethnicity and the problem is potentially greater.
Another faith school and another nail in the coffin for cultural and religious integration. It is a recipe for future civil and social strife. Get rid of all faith schools of all denominations before it is too late. Think Northern Ireland and see what can happen. Add in ethnicity and the problem is potentially greater. Noiticer
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11:18am Fri 23 Oct 09

the genuine cypruslad says...

Muslem girls school!!
Is this not sexist and racist?
Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist? the genuine cypruslad
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11:18am Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

Inter-Rossiter wrote:
This building was built by OUR ancestors so that it could be used by ALL the residents of the borough, regardless of race, gender or religion, and it's only fitting that the authorities insist that any change of use complies to this. I'd rather see the place demolished than it be turned into a centre where the majority of this town won't be welcome anywhere near the place. If this goes ahead it won't be the Libdems who will be challenging Labour at the next General Election. Oh no! It will be the BNP and they will win because many, like myself, will hold their nose and vote for them too! Maybe the BNP are right after all. It seems that the indigenous people are being driven out of their own country by a religion that's far more damaging than Hitler's Luftwaffe ever was!
So if it was to become a Roman Catholic public school then you would be happy? Obviously being a boarding school of any denomination you wouldn't be welcome to wander around willy nilly!
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If it is to be a school with charitable status then the same provisions of sharing facilities would be applicable to them as other private schools.
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How can a "change of use" comply with a buildings original purpose? Is it a "change of use", it was a school and now it is going to be a school.
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What exactly are you objecting to? The opening of a new private school? The opening of a private all girls school? That it will be a fee paying boarding school? I am trying to work out whether your objection is because its education for girls or because it will be an education for (predominantley but not exclusively) muslim girls.
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What is the difference between this proposal and Stoneyhurst or Ampleforth or Downham or any other catholic boarding school?
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What exactly is it that you fear?
[quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: This building was built by OUR ancestors so that it could be used by ALL the residents of the borough, regardless of race, gender or religion, and it's only fitting that the authorities insist that any change of use complies to this. I'd rather see the place demolished than it be turned into a centre where the majority of this town won't be welcome anywhere near the place. If this goes ahead it won't be the Libdems who will be challenging Labour at the next General Election. Oh no! It will be the BNP and they will win because many, like myself, will hold their nose and vote for them too! Maybe the BNP are right after all. It seems that the indigenous people are being driven out of their own country by a religion that's far more damaging than Hitler's Luftwaffe ever was![/p][/quote]So if it was to become a Roman Catholic public school then you would be happy? Obviously being a boarding school of any denomination you wouldn't be welcome to wander around willy nilly! . If it is to be a school with charitable status then the same provisions of sharing facilities would be applicable to them as other private schools. . How can a "change of use" comply with a buildings original purpose? Is it a "change of use", it was a school and now it is going to be a school. . What exactly are you objecting to? The opening of a new private school? The opening of a private all girls school? That it will be a fee paying boarding school? I am trying to work out whether your objection is because its education for girls or because it will be an education for (predominantley but not exclusively) muslim girls. . What is the difference between this proposal and Stoneyhurst or Ampleforth or Downham or any other catholic boarding school? . What exactly is it that you fear? midas
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11:40am Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

the genuine cypruslad wrote:
Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist?
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I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry.
[quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist? . I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry. midas
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11:51am Fri 23 Oct 09

Akki says...

""Coun Wajid Khan, welcoming the scheme, said: "Not one penny of taxpayers' money will be spent on this. It is all coming as a result of private donations. ""

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I dont agree with this, there are plenty of catholic and Jewish schools funded by the taxpayer, why do the muslims always pay out of their own pockets??
""Coun Wajid Khan, welcoming the scheme, said: "Not one penny of taxpayers' money will be spent on this. It is all coming as a result of private donations. "" . I dont agree with this, there are plenty of catholic and Jewish schools funded by the taxpayer, why do the muslims always pay out of their own pockets?? Akki
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12:01pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Supporter says...

To all those people moaning and whin ing about this being a racist and sexist issue - Perhaps you can enrol your wives and daughters to learn about REAL Islam insetad of the evil twisted forced down your throat by a certain FASICT ISLAMOPHOBE & RACIST group.
No one forced the 'Indigenous' people out, the property was empty, up for ale and was bought! full stop. If the property seller doesn't have a problem with this, why should you all?
You all need to stop acting like the 'Victim', be less ignorant and be MORE tolerant! That's what being 'BRITISH' is all about! You lot are a disgrace to BRITAIN !!!
To all those people moaning and whin ing about this being a racist and sexist issue - Perhaps you can enrol your wives and daughters to learn about REAL Islam insetad of the evil twisted forced down your throat by a certain FASICT ISLAMOPHOBE & RACIST group. No one forced the 'Indigenous' people out, the property was empty, up for ale and was bought! full stop. If the property seller doesn't have a problem with this, why should you all? You all need to stop acting like the 'Victim', be less ignorant and be MORE tolerant! That's what being 'BRITISH' is all about! You lot are a disgrace to BRITAIN !!! Supporter
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12:07pm Fri 23 Oct 09

slammer says...

MIdas and others, I think the message what people are trying to convey is not one of trepidation against a gender segregated school or even that girls receive a education under the watchful gaze of "A" god, but of a school under islamic leadership. I quote: Mr Bashir from the charity said that the college would offer a full range of science, arts and information technology subjects alongside a traditional Islamic education. Unquote.
What we, the general public, see and understand under traditional Islamic education is not one that would hold sway under the curriculum of a secular state like the one demanded by the United Kingdom's board of schools
The question that I must ask is who or what scholastic UK organization stands accountable for the welfare of the children in this school.

Respectfully
MIdas and others, I think the message what people are trying to convey is not one of trepidation against a gender segregated school or even that girls receive a education under the watchful gaze of "A" god, but of a school under islamic leadership. I quote: Mr Bashir from the charity said that the college would offer a full range of science, arts and information technology subjects alongside a traditional Islamic education. Unquote. What we, the general public, see and understand under traditional Islamic education is not one that would hold sway under the curriculum of a secular state like the one demanded by the United Kingdom's board of schools The question that I must ask is who or what scholastic UK organization stands accountable for the welfare of the children in this school. Respectfully slammer
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12:10pm Fri 23 Oct 09

GrumpyofClayton says...

And what is wrong with the schools in Burnley that makes them want their own separate school??

Where is the 'community cohesion' 'social integration' and all the other awful buzz words we hear everyday???

Once again it shows that the last thing muslims want to INTERGRATE with our community.

When it suits, they use these buzz words, must this proves they are just showing their true colours, and this town 'bows down' to the do-gooders.
And what is wrong with the schools in Burnley that makes them want their own separate school?? Where is the 'community cohesion' 'social integration' and all the other awful buzz words we hear everyday??? Once again it shows that the last thing muslims want to INTERGRATE with our community. When it suits, they use these buzz words, must this proves they are just showing their true colours, and this town 'bows down' to the do-gooders. GrumpyofClayton
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12:32pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Mike says...

Be prepared!! 1500 females covered head to toe in Burkhas. Are we in Lancashire or Lahore?
Be prepared!! 1500 females covered head to toe in Burkhas. Are we in Lancashire or Lahore? Mike
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12:40pm Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

Mike wrote:
Be prepared!! 1500 females covered head to toe in Burkhas. Are we in Lancashire or Lahore?
What? why do you think the children would be in burkhas? jumping to conclusions??

@ slammer - OFSTEAD?
[quote][p][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote: Be prepared!! 1500 females covered head to toe in Burkhas. Are we in Lancashire or Lahore?[/p][/quote]What? why do you think the children would be in burkhas? jumping to conclusions?? @ slammer - OFSTEAD? midas
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12:48pm Fri 23 Oct 09

slammer says...

OFSTEAD? Not quite sure what it means.
OFSTEAD? Not quite sure what it means. slammer
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12:48pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

This is a town that recently had race riots and millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on new schools to try and force through some kind of 'Community Cohesion'.

Sadly, I've now come to the conclusion that this 'integration' only works one way.

Just where in the great scheme of things will this "1,500-pupil Muslim boarding school for girls" fit in with what was written in the Cantel report?

Burnley Councillors listen up! All the money that's been spent on the Building Schools for the Future (BSF) programme will have been utterly waisted if this is allowed to go through.

This is a town that recently had race riots and millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on new schools to try and force through some kind of 'Community Cohesion'. Sadly, I've now come to the conclusion that this 'integration' only works one way. Just where in the great scheme of things will this "1,500-pupil Muslim boarding school for girls" fit in with what was written in the Cantel report? Burnley Councillors listen up! All the money that's been spent on the Building Schools for the Future (BSF) programme will have been utterly waisted if this is allowed to go through. Inter-Rossiter
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12:48pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Old Timer says...

Maybe these young ladies will pass on their religious beliefs and go into the community as do some other religions and explain the meaning of being a Muslim.
At least they won't be falling around the town centre and mooning on a Friday and Saturday night as some young ladies are known to have dbeen caught of camera.

Let's wait and see what the good things this move could bring ??
Maybe these young ladies will pass on their religious beliefs and go into the community as do some other religions and explain the meaning of being a Muslim. At least they won't be falling around the town centre and mooning on a Friday and Saturday night as some young ladies are known to have dbeen caught of camera. Let's wait and see what the good things this move could bring ?? Old Timer
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1:00pm Fri 23 Oct 09

slammer says...

Oh! I see: OFSTED, took a blond moment there.
Oh! I see: OFSTED, took a blond moment there. slammer
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1:04pm Fri 23 Oct 09

righteousjudgement says...

Education is a right not a privelege!
IF these people want to invest their hard earned money into a school for their children , whats wrong with that? the fact that it may be a listed building is irrelevant as midas said its was a school and is going on to be another school. The school in Lancaster mentioned in the article is a massive listed building previously a hospital, the building is still standing in its original condition, the fact that its become a school or the fact that its an all girls school or the fact that its a muslim all girls boarding school hasn't had an effect on the building what so ever!!! coming back to my original point of education, maybe its time we promoted education to all youngsters regardless of sex or race, maybe then we will see the country prosper, and not see drunken louts passed out by the park bench, or underage girls pushing prams into the dole office!!!! Nowadays its become a trend to get yourself knocked up at 16 or younger - an absent father will mean plenty of money from the government!!!
If schools like this event attempt to prevent the above problems then i think we should have a hundred more of them!!!
Education is a right not a privelege! IF these people want to invest their hard earned money into a school for their children , whats wrong with that? the fact that it may be a listed building is irrelevant as midas said its was a school and is going on to be another school. The school in Lancaster mentioned in the article is a massive listed building previously a hospital, the building is still standing in its original condition, the fact that its become a school or the fact that its an all girls school or the fact that its a muslim all girls boarding school hasn't had an effect on the building what so ever!!! coming back to my original point of education, maybe its time we promoted education to all youngsters regardless of sex or race, maybe then we will see the country prosper, and not see drunken louts passed out by the park bench, or underage girls pushing prams into the dole office!!!! Nowadays its become a trend to get yourself knocked up at 16 or younger - an absent father will mean plenty of money from the government!!! If schools like this event attempt to prevent the above problems then i think we should have a hundred more of them!!! righteousjudgement
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1:25pm Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

It does perhaps show who is putting an emphasis on education. There is a proposal here for a school which hopes to attract 1500 private fee paying students (no taxpayers money invoved, no impact on the BFS programme or the provision of education to the children of Burnley) when other private paying "Christian" based faith schools are struggling to attract pupils.
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My children go to a private Catholic faith school and many of the children there are Hindu or Muslim and they are all the better for it.
It does perhaps show who is putting an emphasis on education. There is a proposal here for a school which hopes to attract 1500 private fee paying students (no taxpayers money invoved, no impact on the BFS programme or the provision of education to the children of Burnley) when other private paying "Christian" based faith schools are struggling to attract pupils. . My children go to a private Catholic faith school and many of the children there are Hindu or Muslim and they are all the better for it. midas
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1:44pm Fri 23 Oct 09

slammer says...

Midas, thank you for the hint regarding OFSTED, I have read the very interesting report on faith schools and see my thoughts on the matter vindicated as even the political correct wording in the 12-page document shows a low-key critical stance to the way faith schools of all denominations are run.
Midas, thank you for the hint regarding OFSTED, I have read the very interesting report on faith schools and see my thoughts on the matter vindicated as even the political correct wording in the 12-page document shows a low-key critical stance to the way faith schools of all denominations are run. slammer
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1:55pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

Burnley has rolled out the rug for this they had a open evening at a place up to now doesn't exist.

Other cultures wouldn't be welcome the moment there were to walk through there door should they decide to see how a established such as this is run

They are already talking in the past tense about the school when they have only raised 600k when 2m is required.

Should another buyer come forward they will be flaring there arms in the air and claim everything under the sun at why they didn't get it.

IF they were to get the place after 6 months they will claim the school is established and apply for funding and we will give it to them because we don't want the ear ache they cause for the rest of the community

What wrong with the education system that a girls school needs setting up you don't hear about a boys version but i can bet that wont be far behind on the same site I'm sure.

Then 2 years further down they will be crying out to get into the system for government funding. then we the taxpayer WILL be paying the cost of approving this project

Well its not on and if it goes through the town will be a even wider berth of culture that is now.
Burnley has rolled out the rug for this they had a open evening at a place up to now doesn't exist. Other cultures wouldn't be welcome the moment there were to walk through there door should they decide to see how a established such as this is run They are already talking in the past tense about the school when they have only raised 600k when 2m is required. Should another buyer come forward they will be flaring there arms in the air and claim everything under the sun at why they didn't get it. IF they were to get the place after 6 months they will claim the school is established and apply for funding and we will give it to them because we don't want the ear ache they cause for the rest of the community What wrong with the education system that a girls school needs setting up you don't hear about a boys version but i can bet that wont be far behind on the same site I'm sure. Then 2 years further down they will be crying out to get into the system for government funding. then we the taxpayer WILL be paying the cost of approving this project Well its not on and if it goes through the town will be a even wider berth of culture that is now. splender
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1:59pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

3 subjects and a faith lesson not exactly what youd call a wide spectrum of education
3 subjects and a faith lesson not exactly what youd call a wide spectrum of education splender
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2:04pm Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

Or on the other hand it could be a really succesfull school attracting students from around Europe who, having completed their Secondary education stay on to attend collage in Burnley/East lancs etc. The money spent by the school and students will be money spent in Burnley. it will further establish the town of Burnley throughout Europe attracting inward investment from businesses attracted to the town.
Or on the other hand it could be a really succesfull school attracting students from around Europe who, having completed their Secondary education stay on to attend collage in Burnley/East lancs etc. The money spent by the school and students will be money spent in Burnley. it will further establish the town of Burnley throughout Europe attracting inward investment from businesses attracted to the town. midas
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2:08pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

Like many in this town have had their education messed up when schools were made to merge in order to bring about forced integration under the BFS scheme.

This will have been in vain if the behemoth of an all-female Islamic boarding school goes ahead.

Also, it will make a total mockery of all the hand wringing that went on in 2001 - like the Burnley Task Force Report, Building Bridges in Burnley, Lord Tony Clarke, Cantel reports etc, that went on after 2001.

I for one can't see how this 1,500-pupil Muslim boarding school can be allowed when the authorities have spent the last 8 years throwing taxpayers money at schemes in order to bring about some form of integration.

It feels like one-way traffic to me!

Like many in this town have had their education messed up when schools were made to merge in order to bring about forced integration under the BFS scheme. This will have been in vain if the behemoth of an all-female Islamic boarding school goes ahead. Also, it will make a total mockery of all the hand wringing that went on in 2001 - like the Burnley Task Force Report, Building Bridges in Burnley, Lord Tony Clarke, Cantel reports etc, that went on after 2001. I for one can't see how this 1,500-pupil Muslim boarding school can be allowed when the authorities have spent the last 8 years throwing taxpayers money at schemes in order to bring about some form of integration. It feels like one-way traffic to me! Inter-Rossiter
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2:12pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

That should have read "Many in this town..."
That should have read "Many in this town..." Inter-Rossiter
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2:58pm Fri 23 Oct 09

willybob says...

well, well ,well..........
the BNP are gonna romp on come the next elections. i started voting for them when all this BSF ,social engineering crap started happening with our schools as they were the only party opposing it.
our perfectly good schools pulled down ,and new ones built with new catchment areas to promote social cohesion , and now theres going to be a 1,500 place muslim girls school, that really is intregrating,NOT.
well, well ,well.......... the BNP are gonna romp on come the next elections. i started voting for them when all this BSF ,social engineering crap started happening with our schools as they were the only party opposing it. our perfectly good schools pulled down ,and new ones built with new catchment areas to promote social cohesion , and now theres going to be a 1,500 place muslim girls school, that really is intregrating,NOT. willybob
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3:01pm Fri 23 Oct 09

joej says...

There are various comments on the purchasers website of Al Ehya trust and baharemadinah youtube videos The council and media need to obtain the full facts so people are correctly informed of the proposed use (ie medical college as stated on the video or as some media states other education subjects science arts and IT, religeous studies) will this affect the future intake of our new university?. How many students and boarders will there be and what impact on local residents and what benefit to our town. The website states it will be an international muslim girls college with some boarders The property was purchased by Al eyha trust on 11th October 2009. 100's of people viewed the site on 18th October and videos of the site meeting are available to watch on you tube.
All the new superschools and universities in this area support community cohesion and integration,How does this girls college fit in with this policy which strives to integrate all faiths within the local community!!!
There are various comments on the purchasers website of Al Ehya trust and baharemadinah youtube videos The council and media need to obtain the full facts so people are correctly informed of the proposed use (ie medical college as stated on the video or as some media states other education subjects science arts and IT, religeous studies) will this affect the future intake of our new university?. How many students and boarders will there be and what impact on local residents and what benefit to our town. The website states it will be an international muslim girls college with some boarders The property was purchased by Al eyha trust on 11th October 2009. 100's of people viewed the site on 18th October and videos of the site meeting are available to watch on you tube. All the new superschools and universities in this area support community cohesion and integration,How does this girls college fit in with this policy which strives to integrate all faiths within the local community!!! joej
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3:26pm Fri 23 Oct 09

righteousjudgement says...

splender wrote:
Burnley has rolled out the rug for this they had a open evening at a place up to now doesn't exist. Other cultures wouldn't be welcome the moment there were to walk through there door should they decide to see how a established such as this is run They are already talking in the past tense about the school when they have only raised 600k when 2m is required. Should another buyer come forward they will be flaring there arms in the air and claim everything under the sun at why they didn't get it. IF they were to get the place after 6 months they will claim the school is established and apply for funding and we will give it to them because we don't want the ear ache they cause for the rest of the community What wrong with the education system that a girls school needs setting up you don't hear about a boys version but i can bet that wont be far behind on the same site I'm sure. Then 2 years further down they will be crying out to get into the system for government funding. then we the taxpayer WILL be paying the cost of approving this project Well its not on and if it goes through the town will be a even wider berth of culture that is now.
they may apply for funding (wether they get it is a different matter) dont the parents of the girls that will study there pay taxes??? the same way my grandparents payed their dues that went towards funding a catholic school that denied me a place even though it was the closest school to where i lived!!!!!!!

If you feel so strongly about it and have 2 million lying around then buy the **** thing and put an end to it. if not then shut up and let it be, would you rather it be turned into a rehabilitation centre for junkies?

judging from the increase in teenage - drug users, pregnancies, unemployment, criminals the current education system is failing somewhere. So if and when this school is succesful in producing first class citizens it will be you that will complain that they wont let your daughter in!

oh and by the way educated in three subjects and a faith lesson is enough to get you in to medical school - dont take my word for it check with UCAS!

[quote][p][bold]splender[/bold] wrote: Burnley has rolled out the rug for this they had a open evening at a place up to now doesn't exist. Other cultures wouldn't be welcome the moment there were to walk through there door should they decide to see how a established such as this is run They are already talking in the past tense about the school when they have only raised 600k when 2m is required. Should another buyer come forward they will be flaring there arms in the air and claim everything under the sun at why they didn't get it. IF they were to get the place after 6 months they will claim the school is established and apply for funding and we will give it to them because we don't want the ear ache they cause for the rest of the community What wrong with the education system that a girls school needs setting up you don't hear about a boys version but i can bet that wont be far behind on the same site I'm sure. Then 2 years further down they will be crying out to get into the system for government funding. then we the taxpayer WILL be paying the cost of approving this project Well its not on and if it goes through the town will be a even wider berth of culture that is now.[/p][/quote]they may apply for funding (wether they get it is a different matter) dont the parents of the girls that will study there pay taxes??? the same way my grandparents payed their dues that went towards funding a catholic school that denied me a place even though it was the closest school to where i lived!!!!!!! If you feel so strongly about it and have 2 million lying around then buy the **** thing and put an end to it. if not then shut up and let it be, would you rather it be turned into a rehabilitation centre for junkies? judging from the increase in teenage - drug users, pregnancies, unemployment, criminals the current education system is failing somewhere. So if and when this school is succesful in producing first class citizens it will be you that will complain that they wont let your daughter in! oh and by the way educated in three subjects and a faith lesson is enough to get you in to medical school - dont take my word for it check with UCAS! righteousjudgement
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3:32pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Akki says...

suprised we dont have a 100 comments yet, whys everyone so quiet?
get posting everyone.
suprised we dont have a 100 comments yet, whys everyone so quiet? get posting everyone. Akki
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3:42pm Fri 23 Oct 09

raymack says...

More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments.
I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas.
Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc.
More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas. Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc. raymack
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3:43pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

Some of you are missing the main point here.

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Millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on so-called social cohesion and the BSF programme.

Schools have been forced to integrate both on ethnic grounds and gender.

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So what I'd like to know is just how the hell is an Islamic 1,500-pupil all-girls boarding school going to fit in with all this?

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Or is this going to be a case of 'one rule for some and another rule for others'?
Some of you are missing the main point here. . Millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on so-called social cohesion and the BSF programme. Schools have been forced to integrate both on ethnic grounds and gender. . So what I'd like to know is just how the hell is an Islamic 1,500-pupil all-girls boarding school going to fit in with all this? . Or is this going to be a case of 'one rule for some and another rule for others'? Inter-Rossiter
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3:59pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

YES!!! Thats the problem they come as students and become over stayers and get lost in the system for years
YES!!! Thats the problem they come as students and become over stayers and get lost in the system for years splender
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4:01pm Fri 23 Oct 09

slammer says...

I would really urge both sides of this coin to actually read up in the OFSTED report on faith schools, as a "official" paper it could be a baseline for more tolerance from the "right" and for less blue eyed wonderment and more caution from the "left"
I would really urge both sides of this coin to actually read up in the OFSTED report on faith schools, as a "official" paper it could be a baseline for more tolerance from the "right" and for less blue eyed wonderment and more caution from the "left" slammer
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4:03pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

islam is the only faith that doesnt need a building for prayer as there is a pray room set up in there homes the remaining faiths are based on religious buildings i dont see why there should any mosques/''schools'' being built
islam is the only faith that doesnt need a building for prayer as there is a pray room set up in there homes the remaining faiths are based on religious buildings i dont see why there should any mosques/''schools'' being built splender
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4:10pm Fri 23 Oct 09

bankhall says...

And an open day, which the spiritual leader attended, has already taken place this week for scholars and the scheme's supporters at the historic building near Burnley town centre. So this looks like a done deal then with our Brown envelope council ? i wonder how much they asked for this time ?? i see some councillors going on long holidays and also ex MP's
And an open day, which the spiritual leader attended, has already taken place this week for scholars and the scheme's supporters at the historic building near Burnley town centre. So this looks like a done deal then with our Brown envelope council ? i wonder how much they asked for this time ?? i see some councillors going on long holidays and also ex MP's bankhall
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4:20pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

would rather it be for the community than a group of people not paying taxes as they are children and knowing nothing about the place and just planting such a development that has no meaning with what going on the community the other reason for they are going to be there is its big enough for ''there'' needs not our needs we could use it for in the community
would rather it be for the community than a group of people not paying taxes as they are children and knowing nothing about the place and just planting such a development that has no meaning with what going on the community the other reason for they are going to be there is its big enough for ''there'' needs not our needs we could use it for in the community splender
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4:37pm Fri 23 Oct 09

midas says...

raymack wrote:
More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas. Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc.
For some reason my posts have been deleted. They were neither offensive nor wrong (either factually or in law). Perhaps the person who reported them could have the courage to come on here and say why? Fear of what exactly?
[quote][p][bold]raymack[/bold] wrote: More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas. Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc. [/p][/quote]For some reason my posts have been deleted. They were neither offensive nor wrong (either factually or in law). Perhaps the person who reported them could have the courage to come on here and say why? Fear of what exactly? midas
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4:41pm Fri 23 Oct 09

johnley says...

more girls for the burnley boys, bring them on.. What happened to the mill's that this cummunity wanted in Brierfield, (not big enough! or not as nice to look at)
more girls for the burnley boys, bring them on.. What happened to the mill's that this cummunity wanted in Brierfield, (not big enough! or not as nice to look at) johnley
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5:27pm Fri 23 Oct 09

abdul786 says...

I think it is a good idea, I am a professional myself. The school is opened by the barelvi school of thought. As lons as they don't promote innovations (Bidda) its fine.

The project should be very useful in particular stastics have shown that Girls schools perform better than state school. The comments above are negative, the school is not creating friction in the community, but promoting good relations. As islam promotes love and peace and not racism.It will be good to get rid of the BNP- a poison in Burnley.
I wish them well, the charity needs to work with everyone and not be prejudiced. This means employ teachers locally and nationally and not have merely their own teachers runnning the show.If it is going to succeed then the charity need to work with all communities.
Thanks
I think it is a good idea, I am a professional myself. The school is opened by the barelvi school of thought. As lons as they don't promote innovations (Bidda) its fine. The project should be very useful in particular stastics have shown that Girls schools perform better than state school. The comments above are negative, the school is not creating friction in the community, but promoting good relations. As islam promotes love and peace and not racism.It will be good to get rid of the BNP- a poison in Burnley. I wish them well, the charity needs to work with everyone and not be prejudiced. This means employ teachers locally and nationally and not have merely their own teachers runnning the show.If it is going to succeed then the charity need to work with all communities. Thanks abdul786
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5:47pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

abdul786 wrote:
I think it is a good idea, I am a professional myself. The school is opened by the barelvi school of thought. As lons as they don't promote innovations (Bidda) its fine. The project should be very useful in particular stastics have shown that Girls schools perform better than state school. The comments above are negative, the school is not creating friction in the community, but promoting good relations. As islam promotes love and peace and not racism.It will be good to get rid of the BNP- a poison in Burnley. I wish them well, the charity needs to work with everyone and not be prejudiced. This means employ teachers locally and nationally and not have merely their own teachers runnning the show.If it is going to succeed then the charity need to work with all communities. Thanks
these are mostly/mainly going to be foreign students there is no payback to the community its come in and ship out at the end
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As ive said in others get foot in test the water then turn it on its head and change direction a MEDIA centre thought it was planned as a SCHOOL see what i mean.
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No clear direction JUST SAY NO!!!
[quote][p][bold]abdul786[/bold] wrote: I think it is a good idea, I am a professional myself. The school is opened by the barelvi school of thought. As lons as they don't promote innovations (Bidda) its fine. The project should be very useful in particular stastics have shown that Girls schools perform better than state school. The comments above are negative, the school is not creating friction in the community, but promoting good relations. As islam promotes love and peace and not racism.It will be good to get rid of the BNP- a poison in Burnley. I wish them well, the charity needs to work with everyone and not be prejudiced. This means employ teachers locally and nationally and not have merely their own teachers runnning the show.If it is going to succeed then the charity need to work with all communities. Thanks[/p][/quote]these are mostly/mainly going to be foreign students there is no payback to the community its come in and ship out at the end . As ive said in others get foot in test the water then turn it on its head and change direction a MEDIA centre thought it was planned as a SCHOOL see what i mean. . No clear direction JUST SAY NO!!! splender
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5:56pm Fri 23 Oct 09

true.british says...

CAN WE COMPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL ON THIS,PEOPLE IN BURNLEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY,ITS ALL ONE WAY IN BURNLEY,
CAN WE COMPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL ON THIS,PEOPLE IN BURNLEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY,ITS ALL ONE WAY IN BURNLEY, true.british
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6:04pm Fri 23 Oct 09

rovers2007 says...

Inter-Rossiter wrote:
Some of you are missing the main point here.

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Millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on so-called social cohesion and the BSF programme.

Schools have been forced to integrate both on ethnic grounds and gender.

.

So what I'd like to know is just how the hell is an Islamic 1,500-pupil all-girls boarding school going to fit in with all this?

.

Or is this going to be a case of 'one rule for some and another rule for others'?
Inter-Rossiter,

It is not a case of one rule for one and some for another.

Give these people a bit of credit for trying to provide "excellence" for their kids.

Look at the results for Tauheedul Islam Girls School in Blackburn - they have consistently achieved some of the highest GCSE grades in the COUNTRY - matching or beating most of our countries top private schools.
As a Blackburner, I am extremely proud of this!!!

Give credit to this community - they have taken the responsilbilty and initiative to set this up - instead of moaning and groaning on this site!

I can't imagine the vast majority of BNP commentators on this thread having the initiative or intelligence to set a "genetically pure" BNP school.

Put aside your envy and hatred and let them get on with it.








[quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: Some of you are missing the main point here. . Millions of pounds of taxpayers money has been spent on so-called social cohesion and the BSF programme. Schools have been forced to integrate both on ethnic grounds and gender. . So what I'd like to know is just how the hell is an Islamic 1,500-pupil all-girls boarding school going to fit in with all this? . Or is this going to be a case of 'one rule for some and another rule for others'?[/p][/quote]Inter-Rossiter, It is not a case of one rule for one and some for another. Give these people a bit of credit for trying to provide "excellence" for their kids. Look at the results for Tauheedul Islam Girls School in Blackburn - they have consistently achieved some of the highest GCSE grades in the COUNTRY - matching or beating most of our countries top private schools. As a Blackburner, I am extremely proud of this!!! Give credit to this community - they have taken the responsilbilty and initiative to set this up - instead of moaning and groaning on this site! I can't imagine the vast majority of BNP commentators on this thread having the initiative or intelligence to set a "genetically pure" BNP school. Put aside your envy and hatred and let them get on with it. rovers2007
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6:19pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

Oh dear.

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Like many I have genuine concerns - no hatred and certainly not envy.

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Yes, real concerns that millions of pounds will have been wasted if this goes ahead.

I also thought that these millions had been spent trying to integrate the communities, not segregate.

Oh well, there you go...

Oh dear. . Like many I have genuine concerns - no hatred and certainly not envy. . Yes, real concerns that millions of pounds will have been wasted if this goes ahead. I also thought that these millions had been spent trying to integrate the communities, not segregate. Oh well, there you go... Inter-Rossiter
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6:23pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

"splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is "

Hahaha@ Rovers2007.

It's 'your' not 'you're'.
"splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'. Inter-Rossiter
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6:38pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

no hatred just many concerns you want cohesion yet you approve of putting foreigners who don't know our culture wont know our culture and wont learn anything but follow your religion and don't publicly disagree with your husband.
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Why cant they get the same education in there country of origin if they're coming from the middle east/ROW in a developed country how is coming to england going to learn anything educationally differently
no hatred just many concerns you want cohesion yet you approve of putting foreigners who don't know our culture wont know our culture and wont learn anything but follow your religion and don't publicly disagree with your husband. . Why cant they get the same education in there country of origin if they're coming from the middle east/ROW in a developed country how is coming to england going to learn anything educationally differently splender
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7:03pm Fri 23 Oct 09

rovers2007 says...

Inter-Rossiter wrote:
"splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is "

Hahaha@ Rovers2007.

It's 'your' not 'you're'.
Well I was educated in a state school!!!
An even greater argument for a private school!!
[quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.[/p][/quote]Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!! rovers2007
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7:10pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

rovers2007 wrote:
Inter-Rossiter wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.
Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!!
People like you ''good selves'' are the types that don't stand in the way then when its too late start kicking up a fuss can we bulldoze your house because we want a car park telephone mast would go yeah no problem or would you say no way and complain if your is the latter then I've proved my point
[quote][p][bold]rovers2007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.[/p][/quote]Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!![/p][/quote]People like you ''good selves'' are the types that don't stand in the way then when its too late start kicking up a fuss can we bulldoze your house because we want a car park telephone mast would go yeah no problem or would you say no way and complain if your is the latter then I've proved my point splender
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7:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

rovers2007 wrote:
Inter-Rossiter wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.
Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!!
if going to a state school was good enough for you then im sure with the private schools money burning a hole in your wallet a more fitting fund would be more fitting (heart,cancer and childillness) than this place in the economic climate if youve got cash to spare that you seem to have to burn
[quote][p][bold]rovers2007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.[/p][/quote]Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!![/p][/quote]if going to a state school was good enough for you then im sure with the private schools money burning a hole in your wallet a more fitting fund would be more fitting (heart,cancer and childillness) than this place in the economic climate if youve got cash to spare that you seem to have to burn splender
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7:35pm Fri 23 Oct 09

rovers2007 says...

splender wrote:
rovers2007 wrote:
Inter-Rossiter wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.
Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!!
if going to a state school was good enough for you then im sure with the private schools money burning a hole in your wallet a more fitting fund would be more fitting (heart,cancer and childillness) than this place in the economic climate if youve got cash to spare that you seem to have to burn
splender - even as a fellow Blackburner, I have no idea what you are going on about? Can someone else enlighten me please?
[quote][p][bold]splender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rovers2007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inter-Rossiter[/bold] wrote: "splender, what are you waffling on about - you're comments make no sense and you're use of English is " Hahaha@ Rovers2007. It's 'your' not 'you're'.[/p][/quote]Well I was educated in a state school!!! An even greater argument for a private school!![/p][/quote]if going to a state school was good enough for you then im sure with the private schools money burning a hole in your wallet a more fitting fund would be more fitting (heart,cancer and childillness) than this place in the economic climate if youve got cash to spare that you seem to have to burn[/p][/quote]splender - even as a fellow Blackburner, I have no idea what you are going on about? Can someone else enlighten me please? rovers2007
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7:37pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

entytwiss wrote:
I was born, bred, educated in Burnley and consider this town my home place. I left 5 years ago because i saw this "ISLAM / MUSLUM" problem then and did not want my daughter being brought up there. About time this town n country said enough is enough! This is a White English Country
Agreed but its too late as were so entwined that white cant be used
Where in ghetto country now which will not change back for years to come unless we say if you consider yourself another cultural background (not religious i may add ) when filling in forms rather than British your probably in the wrong place as i would consider this as one of the reasons behind the tensions that are arising
[quote][p][bold]entytwiss[/bold] wrote: I was born, bred, educated in Burnley and consider this town my home place. I left 5 years ago because i saw this "ISLAM / MUSLUM" problem then and did not want my daughter being brought up there. About time this town n country said enough is enough! This is a White English Country [/p][/quote]Agreed but its too late as were so entwined that white cant be used Where in ghetto country now which will not change back for years to come unless we say if you consider yourself another cultural background (not religious i may add ) when filling in forms rather than British your probably in the wrong place as i would consider this as one of the reasons behind the tensions that are arising splender
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7:46pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

private= paying if you want to pay for your education when you get it for free when that money doesnt benifit the community for people that can get the same education from there own place of birth. and when there education finishes they sod off back without a by your leave then what planet you on
private= paying if you want to pay for your education when you get it for free when that money doesnt benifit the community for people that can get the same education from there own place of birth. and when there education finishes they sod off back without a by your leave then what planet you on splender
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8:03pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

look at little harwood mosque/dump theve been left with a building site for over 10 years a skeih came in to finish that off and suprise surprise naff all has been done to either finish the darn thing or allow it to turned into somthing useful rather than a nest for vermin.
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round that area there are two mosques one has a perment secrurity that blocks off a ROAD and another that in the bastwell area puts a CHAIN across another street example of doing as they like
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So proud are there male protesters that they have to hide there faces behind scarfs and masks if they stand by that beliefs then why hide your face
look at little harwood mosque/dump theve been left with a building site for over 10 years a skeih came in to finish that off and suprise surprise naff all has been done to either finish the darn thing or allow it to turned into somthing useful rather than a nest for vermin. . round that area there are two mosques one has a perment secrurity that blocks off a ROAD and another that in the bastwell area puts a CHAIN across another street example of doing as they like . So proud are there male protesters that they have to hide there faces behind scarfs and masks if they stand by that beliefs then why hide your face splender
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8:25pm Fri 23 Oct 09

golazzo says...

Dont even get me started on the subject. Bl**dy p*ss take.

I hope to god this does not go ahead, or should that be Allah
Dont even get me started on the subject. Bl**dy p*ss take. I hope to god this does not go ahead, or should that be Allah golazzo
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8:28pm Fri 23 Oct 09

tommaster53 says...

who is paying for this boarding school idea.were we asked our opinion about it...NO WE WERE NOT.
I for one object to it.non whites seem to get the best of everything thats offered.one day in the near future british people will say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.I am not racist,i was born in germany in 1949,english parents.Did 27yrs in the british army for what..to see this country and its people get screwed.would burnley council(haha)get it's axct together and think what the original people of this once wonderful town want..
yours
tom.
who is paying for this boarding school idea.were we asked our opinion about it...NO WE WERE NOT. I for one object to it.non whites seem to get the best of everything thats offered.one day in the near future british people will say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.I am not racist,i was born in germany in 1949,english parents.Did 27yrs in the british army for what..to see this country and its people get screwed.would burnley council(haha)get it's axct together and think what the original people of this once wonderful town want.. yours tom. tommaster53
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8:28pm Fri 23 Oct 09

paolowhite says...

what about if we formed an all-white school???? wud that get off the ground??? yea right!!! and they call us racists
what about if we formed an all-white school???? wud that get off the ground??? yea right!!! and they call us racists paolowhite
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9:03pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

Muslim school smear row
3:08pm Wednesday 10th June 2009

Exclusive By Asian Image reporter »


A woman has told of her distress and heartache at malicious e-mails suggesting that she is a man.

She said the accusations had meant she had to quit her job at an all-Muslim girls’ school.

She spoke after the school sent a letter to all parents saying they had reluctantly accepted the resignation of Shifa Patel and had “irrefutable medical evidence” she was “a female” despite “concerns raised by parents” over her gender.

The move came after emails were circulated showing private photographs, which have been seen by Asian Image, of Ms Patel with short hair and wearing a shirt and trousers.

Earlier police were called to the Al-Islah Muslim Girl’s School, Audley Range in Blackburn as a group of people turned up and demanded the sacking of the woman known to many as Apa Shifa who was school administrator.

Police have said they did NOT raid the school.

And the Al-Islah Muslim girl’s school governing body have also hit out at ‘external’ bodies who they say are trying to undermine the success and the high standards the school has sought to achieve.

They also said they backed the staff member saying her “unquestionable work ethic and professionalism” had never been in doubt.

Wearing a headscarf and full Jhaba (full length robe), Apa Shifa, spoke to Asian Image about the e-mail campaign. She had this week resigned from her post.

She said she understood why people might be upset as this was a Muslim girls’ school and it had specific ethics and values to uphold: “I am not proud of the pictures. These people who have done this have hurt be so badly. I will remember them at the moment before I die and I will never forgive those who did this to me.

"May Allah forgive me for my sins."

It is believed someone began the e-mail campaign after copying the pictures from a Facebook page. Apa Shifa has been in the country for under six years and at the school for five years.

She said no-one had ever questioned her ethics or private life before. “I know so many people at the school and many of them are now not talking to me. Some people have been genuinely sorry at what has happened.

“There has been support from ex-teachers, governors, ex-students and parents.”

In some of the pictures Apa Shifa is pictured alongside acting headteacher Fatima Patel. Apa Fatima said: “It is very disconcerting that this has all happened during children’s exam time.

“People have been contacting me asking me what religion I am. I have found this totally distressing.

“When some parents approached me I said to them I will take the Quran in my hand and swear to tell the truth. But they were more concerned with getting a GP’s certificate for Apa Shifa. What does that say about some people?

“This incident has affected me and Apa Shifa and it will take a lot to get her confidence back.

“We must add that some parents have come and supported us.”

Both staff members have been inundated with texts and calls from people asking personal questions. Apa Shifa added, “I just want to say this could happen to anyone and anyone’s family.

“I have always been the first point of contact for any parents with any problems they had. And I know there are people who don’t want me to come to the school but I am determined at least to finish some of the work I started and will be taking it home with me so the students do not suffer. It is after all why we work - to provide a better future for the youngsters.

“I have been pleasantly surprised by the support given by the governing body.”

The governing body would not be drawn into discussions of the content of the e-mails but said they understood fully why people would be concerned.

One governor said Apa Shifa had also been involved in a lot of voluntary work at the school and she had always put the school first.

He added, “It may have better of someone had simply come to us privately and shown us the pictures rather than begin an e-mail campaign like this.

“We feel there are people in the community who do not care about the children and are more concerned about causing unrest.

“We have a strong view that Apa Shifa is very competent at her job and has given excellent service to the school over the years.

“She is a talented and capable person and the school have lost a very valuable member of staff.

“It is a sad indictment on the community that allegations regarding her gender have surfaced and we have had to gain medical evidence to allay fears. The school followed due process and did not act until a full investigation had been carried out. We were not about to be swayed by a ‘mob mentality’.”

Sergeant John Rigby of the Minorities team at Lancashire Constabulary said, “Police were called to the school after reports that people were trying to damage school doors. “When we arrived a group of 10 to 15 people were outside the school. I must point out neither the school nor the mosque was raided.

This is an entirely internal school matter and police were simply there to calm the situation down.”

Apa Shifa said she hoped that after having provided the medical evidence requested people would no longer disrupt the running of the school and requested the rumours be stopped immediately. She said she had no intention of returning to the school.

ALSO SEE JUNE ISSUE OF ASIAN IMAGE

JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!
Muslim school smear row 3:08pm Wednesday 10th June 2009 Exclusive By Asian Image reporter » A woman has told of her distress and heartache at malicious e-mails suggesting that she is a man. She said the accusations had meant she had to quit her job at an all-Muslim girls’ school. She spoke after the school sent a letter to all parents saying they had reluctantly accepted the resignation of Shifa Patel and had “irrefutable medical evidence” she was “a female” despite “concerns raised by parents” over her gender. The move came after emails were circulated showing private photographs, which have been seen by Asian Image, of Ms Patel with short hair and wearing a shirt and trousers. Earlier police were called to the Al-Islah Muslim Girl’s School, Audley Range in Blackburn as a group of people turned up and demanded the sacking of the woman known to many as Apa Shifa who was school administrator. Police have said they did NOT raid the school. And the Al-Islah Muslim girl’s school governing body have also hit out at ‘external’ bodies who they say are trying to undermine the success and the high standards the school has sought to achieve. They also said they backed the staff member saying her “unquestionable work ethic and professionalism” had never been in doubt. Wearing a headscarf and full Jhaba (full length robe), Apa Shifa, spoke to Asian Image about the e-mail campaign. She had this week resigned from her post. She said she understood why people might be upset as this was a Muslim girls’ school and it had specific ethics and values to uphold: “I am not proud of the pictures. These people who have done this have hurt be so badly. I will remember them at the moment before I die and I will never forgive those who did this to me. "May Allah forgive me for my sins." It is believed someone began the e-mail campaign after copying the pictures from a Facebook page. Apa Shifa has been in the country for under six years and at the school for five years. She said no-one had ever questioned her ethics or private life before. “I know so many people at the school and many of them are now not talking to me. Some people have been genuinely sorry at what has happened. “There has been support from ex-teachers, governors, ex-students and parents.” In some of the pictures Apa Shifa is pictured alongside acting headteacher Fatima Patel. Apa Fatima said: “It is very disconcerting that this has all happened during children’s exam time. “People have been contacting me asking me what religion I am. I have found this totally distressing. “When some parents approached me I said to them I will take the Quran in my hand and swear to tell the truth. But they were more concerned with getting a GP’s certificate for Apa Shifa. What does that say about some people? “This incident has affected me and Apa Shifa and it will take a lot to get her confidence back. “We must add that some parents have come and supported us.” Both staff members have been inundated with texts and calls from people asking personal questions. Apa Shifa added, “I just want to say this could happen to anyone and anyone’s family. “I have always been the first point of contact for any parents with any problems they had. And I know there are people who don’t want me to come to the school but I am determined at least to finish some of the work I started and will be taking it home with me so the students do not suffer. It is after all why we work - to provide a better future for the youngsters. “I have been pleasantly surprised by the support given by the governing body.” The governing body would not be drawn into discussions of the content of the e-mails but said they understood fully why people would be concerned. One governor said Apa Shifa had also been involved in a lot of voluntary work at the school and she had always put the school first. He added, “It may have better of someone had simply come to us privately and shown us the pictures rather than begin an e-mail campaign like this. “We feel there are people in the community who do not care about the children and are more concerned about causing unrest. “We have a strong view that Apa Shifa is very competent at her job and has given excellent service to the school over the years. “She is a talented and capable person and the school have lost a very valuable member of staff. “It is a sad indictment on the community that allegations regarding her gender have surfaced and we have had to gain medical evidence to allay fears. The school followed due process and did not act until a full investigation had been carried out. We were not about to be swayed by a ‘mob mentality’.” Sergeant John Rigby of the Minorities team at Lancashire Constabulary said, “Police were called to the school after reports that people were trying to damage school doors. “When we arrived a group of 10 to 15 people were outside the school. I must point out neither the school nor the mosque was raided. This is an entirely internal school matter and police were simply there to calm the situation down.” Apa Shifa said she hoped that after having provided the medical evidence requested people would no longer disrupt the running of the school and requested the rumours be stopped immediately. She said she had no intention of returning to the school. ALSO SEE JUNE ISSUE OF ASIAN IMAGE JUST SAY NO!!!!!!! splender
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9:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Wikidi says...

Turmoil!!!

Surprised a church opened in Oswaldtwiste without any commotion even though the low figures of worshippers were reported.

The trust knowing that the majority of the people around there are Muslims including Muslim converts they still went ahead without a thought of acknowledging it is on a busy road.

The comments above prove how immoral some people can get.
Turmoil!!! Surprised a church opened in Oswaldtwiste without any commotion even though the low figures of worshippers were reported. The trust knowing that the majority of the people around there are Muslims including Muslim converts they still went ahead without a thought of acknowledging it is on a busy road. The comments above prove how immoral some people can get. Wikidi
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9:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Wikidi says...

Turmoil!!!

Surprised a church opened in Oswaldtwiste without any commotion even though the low figures of worshippers were reported.

The trust knowing that the majority of the people around there are Muslims including Muslim converts they still went ahead without a thought of acknowledging it is on a busy road.

The comments above prove how immoral some people can get.
Turmoil!!! Surprised a church opened in Oswaldtwiste without any commotion even though the low figures of worshippers were reported. The trust knowing that the majority of the people around there are Muslims including Muslim converts they still went ahead without a thought of acknowledging it is on a busy road. The comments above prove how immoral some people can get. Wikidi
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9:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

NICEONESUNSHINE says...

midas wrote:
raymack wrote: More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas. Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc.
For some reason my posts have been deleted. They were neither offensive nor wrong (either factually or in law). Perhaps the person who reported them could have the courage to come on here and say why? Fear of what exactly?
midas, It seems that you've become a victim of the LET's arbitrary censoring policy.
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For example, if you mention "Fear", "muslim" and "intregration"togeth
er in a debate , even if its in a well constructed and sensible argument like yours, the LET get spooked and cut it?
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[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raymack[/bold] wrote: More than a little xenophobia being shown in the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of Midas. Freedom within the law applies to all UK citizens,including free speech,freedom of association etc. [/p][/quote]For some reason my posts have been deleted. They were neither offensive nor wrong (either factually or in law). Perhaps the person who reported them could have the courage to come on here and say why? Fear of what exactly?[/p][/quote]midas, It seems that you've become a victim of the LET's arbitrary censoring policy. . For example, if you mention "Fear", "muslim" and "intregration"togeth er in a debate , even if its in a well constructed and sensible argument like yours, the LET get spooked and cut it? . NICEONESUNSHINE
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9:31pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

if you want paradise no better place than somewhere else preferably not in the EU
if you want paradise no better place than somewhere else preferably not in the EU splender
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9:38pm Fri 23 Oct 09

enoch-powell says...

paolowhite wrote:
what about if we formed an all-white school???? wud that get off the ground??? yea right!!! and they call us racists
Quite correct , it is one way traffic , the same in everywhere its pathetic , it is no use trying to oppose ANYTHING if the word Muslim or Mosque is raised as we will be defeated . The racist card is a very powerful one and the dirties surely know how to use it , No wonder Mr Griffin MEP and the rest of the BNP are more popular day by day !!! I do not agree with all the BNP stands for but I admire them for saying things that the majority of people think and agree with but dare not say !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]paolowhite[/bold] wrote: what about if we formed an all-white school???? wud that get off the ground??? yea right!!! and they call us racists[/p][/quote]Quite correct , it is one way traffic , the same in everywhere its pathetic , it is no use trying to oppose ANYTHING if the word Muslim or Mosque is raised as we will be defeated . The racist card is a very powerful one and the dirties surely know how to use it , No wonder Mr Griffin MEP and the rest of the BNP are more popular day by day !!! I do not agree with all the BNP stands for but I admire them for saying things that the majority of people think and agree with but dare not say !!!!!! enoch-powell
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10:03pm Fri 23 Oct 09

johnley says...

don't worry fork's, on 21-12-2012 we all will be praying to god, i'm a C/E, just hope my god is there on that date.. :-)
don't worry fork's, on 21-12-2012 we all will be praying to god, i'm a C/E, just hope my god is there on that date.. :-) johnley
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10:37pm Fri 23 Oct 09

Old Timer says...

My father said after the First World War ended he thought all the conflict in the world would then finish. Then in the Secong World War after losing a cousin and having five others fighting for peace in the world I thought that would be it. Since then we have had Korea, Vietnam the Balkans, the Gulf, , 9/11. Iraq, Afghanistan and all the terrible conflicts in Africa. I was in Northern Ireland during the troubles and yet all this bickering is still going on. It appears to me that religion and capitalism is a cause of all our troubles. I certainly hope this school does not further man's inhumanity against man and teaches what their leader originally had in mind, PEACE
to mankind and freedom for all women. It is bound one day to come
My father said after the First World War ended he thought all the conflict in the world would then finish. Then in the Secong World War after losing a cousin and having five others fighting for peace in the world I thought that would be it. Since then we have had Korea, Vietnam the Balkans, the Gulf, , 9/11. Iraq, Afghanistan and all the terrible conflicts in Africa. I was in Northern Ireland during the troubles and yet all this bickering is still going on. It appears to me that religion and capitalism is a cause of all our troubles. I certainly hope this school does not further man's inhumanity against man and teaches what their leader originally had in mind, PEACE to mankind and freedom for all women. It is bound one day to come Old Timer
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10:40pm Fri 23 Oct 09

johnley says...

yeah 21-12-2012
yeah 21-12-2012 johnley
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11:16pm Fri 23 Oct 09

abdul786 says...

Whats the fuss about where are the muslims to comment about the above nonesense. Why is there so jealousy and hatred about this school. If that is the case I think BSF is a waste of money, poor headteachers, no asians in senior positions. Poor discipline, and millions of pounds wasted in educating pupils who dont want to learn. So shut up, and let the Muslim school develop at least its providing a good service with good humans!
Whats the fuss about where are the muslims to comment about the above nonesense. Why is there so jealousy and hatred about this school. If that is the case I think BSF is a waste of money, poor headteachers, no asians in senior positions. Poor discipline, and millions of pounds wasted in educating pupils who dont want to learn. So shut up, and let the Muslim school develop at least its providing a good service with good humans! abdul786
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11:30pm Fri 23 Oct 09

splender says...

WHAT SERVICE!!!! not ours a faceless company run society this is no charity.
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A charity is usually community based this is a one faith one gender and not attended by the community.
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A charity isn't run to open a school in a overly developed country such as this to commute students to learn skills that are already available in there countries
WHAT SERVICE!!!! not ours a faceless company run society this is no charity. . A charity is usually community based this is a one faith one gender and not attended by the community. . A charity isn't run to open a school in a overly developed country such as this to commute students to learn skills that are already available in there countries splender
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12:31am Sat 24 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

Abdul786 just about sums up the attitude of many in the Muslim community.

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See, there is no desire to even make an attempt at integration and this is why they want this school.

Then he goes on to say that anyone who disagrees with this segregated school is consumed with jealousy and full of hatred while passing harsh judgement on our hard working school children.

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Well, Abdul786, you should take a long hard look at your own prejudices before judging others!
Abdul786 just about sums up the attitude of many in the Muslim community. . See, there is no desire to even make an attempt at integration and this is why they want this school. Then he goes on to say that anyone who disagrees with this segregated school is consumed with jealousy and full of hatred while passing harsh judgement on our hard working school children. . Well, Abdul786, you should take a long hard look at your own prejudices before judging others! Inter-Rossiter
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1:08am Sat 24 Oct 09

Faithless says...

the genuine cypruslad wrote:
Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races!
[quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races! Faithless
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1:33am Sat 24 Oct 09

Faithless says...

Don't get what the problem is here.
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The building will probably have to be renovated, using local businesses, being paid for by a Birmingham based charity. Effect: Bringing money into Burnley.
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Students from all over Europe will be coming to study here. They will be no burden to the community but will be spending money in the local shops. Effect: Even more money into Burnley.
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A school will create a range of jobs within the local community at no cost to the people of Burnley. Effect: Erm, money into Burnley.
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Girls will get educated. Studies have proven that girls do better when they they are at single sex schools. Also, we know the BNP are very concerned about the rights of a woman in Islam. This would create a chance for the Nick Griffin and company to see first-hand how young muslim women are treated. If he sees them being treated well I'm sure he will be celebrating in the local pubs. If they are not treated well, he can drown his sorrows. Effect: money being spent in Burnley.
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Is this school racist? Muslims come in all races and the Islamic religion has historically been credited as the only religion to overcome the boundaries of race. The school is not exclusive to Muslims, and anyone of any other faith or of no faith is able to attend. They would have to pay for this as the school is not state-funded.
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I hope people are not too narrow minded to see what is good for Burnley and don't let their prejudices hold the town back.
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Where has all the love gone?
Don't get what the problem is here. . The building will probably have to be renovated, using local businesses, being paid for by a Birmingham based charity. Effect: Bringing money into Burnley. . Students from all over Europe will be coming to study here. They will be no burden to the community but will be spending money in the local shops. Effect: Even more money into Burnley. . A school will create a range of jobs within the local community at no cost to the people of Burnley. Effect: Erm, money into Burnley. . Girls will get educated. Studies have proven that girls do better when they they are at single sex schools. Also, we know the BNP are very concerned about the rights of a woman in Islam. This would create a chance for the Nick Griffin and company to see first-hand how young muslim women are treated. If he sees them being treated well I'm sure he will be celebrating in the local pubs. If they are not treated well, he can drown his sorrows. Effect: money being spent in Burnley. . Is this school racist? Muslims come in all races and the Islamic religion has historically been credited as the only religion to overcome the boundaries of race. The school is not exclusive to Muslims, and anyone of any other faith or of no faith is able to attend. They would have to pay for this as the school is not state-funded. . I hope people are not too narrow minded to see what is good for Burnley and don't let their prejudices hold the town back. . Where has all the love gone? Faithless
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1:35am Sat 24 Oct 09

splender says...

Faithless wrote:
the genuine cypruslad wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races!
your pointing out a difference your putting muslim and girls in three person description
[quote][p][bold]Faithless[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races![/p][/quote]your pointing out a difference your putting muslim and girls in three person description splender
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1:53am Sat 24 Oct 09

splender says...

boarding schools aren't community centres its kept in house be it medical or educational not seeing the community outside and treatment of females who you kidding read this:-
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Muslim school smear row
3:08pm Wednesday 10th June 2009

Exclusive By Asian Image reporter »


A woman has told of her distress and heartache at malicious e-mails suggesting that she is a man.

She said the accusations had meant she had to quit her job at an all-Muslim girls’ school.

She spoke after the school sent a letter to all parents saying they had reluctantly accepted the resignation of Shifa Patel and had “irrefutable medical evidence” she was “a female” despite “concerns raised by parents” over her gender.

The move came after emails were circulated showing private photographs, which have been seen by Asian Image, of Ms Patel with short hair and wearing a shirt and trousers.

Earlier police were called to the Al-Islah Muslim Girl’s School, Audley Range in Blackburn as a group of people turned up and demanded the sacking of the woman known to many as Apa Shifa who was school administrator.

Police have said they did NOT raid the school.

And the Al-Islah Muslim girl’s school governing body have also hit out at ‘external’ bodies who they say are trying to undermine the success and the high standards the school has sought to achieve.

They also said they backed the staff member saying her “unquestionable work ethic and professionalism” had never been in doubt.

Wearing a headscarf and full Jhaba (full length robe), Apa Shifa, spoke to Asian Image about the e-mail campaign. She had this week resigned from her post.

She said she understood why people might be upset as this was a Muslim girls’ school and it had specific ethics and values to uphold: “I am not proud of the pictures. These people who have done this have hurt be so badly. I will remember them at the moment before I die and I will never forgive those who did this to me.

"May Allah forgive me for my sins."

It is believed someone began the e-mail campaign after copying the pictures from a Facebook page. Apa Shifa has been in the country for under six years and at the school for five years.

She said no-one had ever questioned her ethics or private life before. “I know so many people at the school and many of them are now not talking to me. Some people have been genuinely sorry at what has happened.

“There has been support from ex-teachers, governors, ex-students and parents.”

In some of the pictures Apa Shifa is pictured alongside acting headteacher Fatima Patel. Apa Fatima said: “It is very disconcerting that this has all happened during children’s exam time.

“People have been contacting me asking me what religion I am. I have found this totally distressing.

“When some parents approached me I said to them I will take the Quran in my hand and swear to tell the truth. But they were more concerned with getting a GP’s certificate for Apa Shifa. What does that say about some people?

“This incident has affected me and Apa Shifa and it will take a lot to get her confidence back.

“We must add that some parents have come and supported us.”

Both staff members have been inundated with texts and calls from people asking personal questions. Apa Shifa added, “I just want to say this could happen to anyone and anyone’s family.

“I have always been the first point of contact for any parents with any problems they had. And I know there are people who don’t want me to come to the school but I am determined at least to finish some of the work I started and will be taking it home with me so the students do not suffer. It is after all why we work - to provide a better future for the youngsters.

“I have been pleasantly surprised by the support given by the governing body.”

The governing body would not be drawn into discussions of the content of the e-mails but said they understood fully why people would be concerned.

One governor said Apa Shifa had also been involved in a lot of voluntary work at the school and she had always put the school first.

He added, “It may have better of someone had simply come to us privately and shown us the pictures rather than begin an e-mail campaign like this.

“We feel there are people in the community who do not care about the children and are more concerned about causing unrest.

“We have a strong view that Apa Shifa is very competent at her job and has given excellent service to the school over the years.

“She is a talented and capable person and the school have lost a very valuable member of staff.

“It is a sad indictment on the community that allegations regarding her gender have surfaced and we have had to gain medical evidence to allay fears. The school followed due process and did not act until a full investigation had been carried out. We were not about to be swayed by a ‘mob mentality’.”

Sergeant John Rigby of the Minorities team at Lancashire Constabulary said, “Police were called to the school after reports that people were trying to damage school doors. “When we arrived a group of 10 to 15 people were outside the school. I must point out neither the school nor the mosque was raided.

This is an entirely internal school matter and police were simply there to calm the situation down.”

Apa Shifa said she hoped that after having provided the medical evidence requested people would no longer disrupt the running of the school and requested the rumours be stopped immediately. She said she had no intention of returning to the school.
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ALSO SEE JUNE ISSUE OF ASIAN IMAGE
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How many other cultures of other religions and backgrounds do you see in these places i haven't seen a one.
Neither have i seen one of the above coming out of a mosque unless cameras are present i couldn't right now walk into a mosque id be shown the door not welcomed in with tea or biscuits with real milk not soya id be seen as a non believer and cast out
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Hopefully we wont have to go through this aggro for long as it shouldnt have even got of the ground in the first place
boarding schools aren't community centres its kept in house be it medical or educational not seeing the community outside and treatment of females who you kidding read this:- . Muslim school smear row 3:08pm Wednesday 10th June 2009 Exclusive By Asian Image reporter » A woman has told of her distress and heartache at malicious e-mails suggesting that she is a man. She said the accusations had meant she had to quit her job at an all-Muslim girls’ school. She spoke after the school sent a letter to all parents saying they had reluctantly accepted the resignation of Shifa Patel and had “irrefutable medical evidence” she was “a female” despite “concerns raised by parents” over her gender. The move came after emails were circulated showing private photographs, which have been seen by Asian Image, of Ms Patel with short hair and wearing a shirt and trousers. Earlier police were called to the Al-Islah Muslim Girl’s School, Audley Range in Blackburn as a group of people turned up and demanded the sacking of the woman known to many as Apa Shifa who was school administrator. Police have said they did NOT raid the school. And the Al-Islah Muslim girl’s school governing body have also hit out at ‘external’ bodies who they say are trying to undermine the success and the high standards the school has sought to achieve. They also said they backed the staff member saying her “unquestionable work ethic and professionalism” had never been in doubt. Wearing a headscarf and full Jhaba (full length robe), Apa Shifa, spoke to Asian Image about the e-mail campaign. She had this week resigned from her post. She said she understood why people might be upset as this was a Muslim girls’ school and it had specific ethics and values to uphold: “I am not proud of the pictures. These people who have done this have hurt be so badly. I will remember them at the moment before I die and I will never forgive those who did this to me. "May Allah forgive me for my sins." It is believed someone began the e-mail campaign after copying the pictures from a Facebook page. Apa Shifa has been in the country for under six years and at the school for five years. She said no-one had ever questioned her ethics or private life before. “I know so many people at the school and many of them are now not talking to me. Some people have been genuinely sorry at what has happened. “There has been support from ex-teachers, governors, ex-students and parents.” In some of the pictures Apa Shifa is pictured alongside acting headteacher Fatima Patel. Apa Fatima said: “It is very disconcerting that this has all happened during children’s exam time. “People have been contacting me asking me what religion I am. I have found this totally distressing. “When some parents approached me I said to them I will take the Quran in my hand and swear to tell the truth. But they were more concerned with getting a GP’s certificate for Apa Shifa. What does that say about some people? “This incident has affected me and Apa Shifa and it will take a lot to get her confidence back. “We must add that some parents have come and supported us.” Both staff members have been inundated with texts and calls from people asking personal questions. Apa Shifa added, “I just want to say this could happen to anyone and anyone’s family. “I have always been the first point of contact for any parents with any problems they had. And I know there are people who don’t want me to come to the school but I am determined at least to finish some of the work I started and will be taking it home with me so the students do not suffer. It is after all why we work - to provide a better future for the youngsters. “I have been pleasantly surprised by the support given by the governing body.” The governing body would not be drawn into discussions of the content of the e-mails but said they understood fully why people would be concerned. One governor said Apa Shifa had also been involved in a lot of voluntary work at the school and she had always put the school first. He added, “It may have better of someone had simply come to us privately and shown us the pictures rather than begin an e-mail campaign like this. “We feel there are people in the community who do not care about the children and are more concerned about causing unrest. “We have a strong view that Apa Shifa is very competent at her job and has given excellent service to the school over the years. “She is a talented and capable person and the school have lost a very valuable member of staff. “It is a sad indictment on the community that allegations regarding her gender have surfaced and we have had to gain medical evidence to allay fears. The school followed due process and did not act until a full investigation had been carried out. We were not about to be swayed by a ‘mob mentality’.” Sergeant John Rigby of the Minorities team at Lancashire Constabulary said, “Police were called to the school after reports that people were trying to damage school doors. “When we arrived a group of 10 to 15 people were outside the school. I must point out neither the school nor the mosque was raided. This is an entirely internal school matter and police were simply there to calm the situation down.” Apa Shifa said she hoped that after having provided the medical evidence requested people would no longer disrupt the running of the school and requested the rumours be stopped immediately. She said she had no intention of returning to the school. . ALSO SEE JUNE ISSUE OF ASIAN IMAGE . How many other cultures of other religions and backgrounds do you see in these places i haven't seen a one. Neither have i seen one of the above coming out of a mosque unless cameras are present i couldn't right now walk into a mosque id be shown the door not welcomed in with tea or biscuits with real milk not soya id be seen as a non believer and cast out . Hopefully we wont have to go through this aggro for long as it shouldnt have even got of the ground in the first place splender
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2:29am Sat 24 Oct 09

splender says...

The polish Jewish Irish and Italians didn't come here and start demanding you change everything we believe in they came and learn English worked,eat shoulder to shoulder like the rest of the UK and got on with it
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Islam came to these shores and we couldn't pray,eat with them because it was against there religion but what about our religions
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When they arrived they'd leave for prayer return after the prayer and change menus so they where halal

They demand to wear hi jabs now when for over 30 years they respected that rule.

No more they wear the hi jab wear what they like and show no respect to the the other immigrants that acknowledged this was the UK and this is there culture and we will respect how this country revolves.

We've been given the thumb screws to adapt homes to point to mecca fitted beddas and Mideastern squat toilets in new builds.
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Strip out kitchens if meat of non halal has been cooked on the appliances provided in rented accommodation
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Where do the green mosque roof and interior decorations come from are they British built didn't think so

There's a new build house up laburnum road in blackburn that isn't even on the maps its listed as a plot of council garages that will be a retrospective planning issue that will get waved through its been finished for months
The polish Jewish Irish and Italians didn't come here and start demanding you change everything we believe in they came and learn English worked,eat shoulder to shoulder like the rest of the UK and got on with it . Islam came to these shores and we couldn't pray,eat with them because it was against there religion but what about our religions . When they arrived they'd leave for prayer return after the prayer and change menus so they where halal They demand to wear hi jabs now when for over 30 years they respected that rule. No more they wear the hi jab wear what they like and show no respect to the the other immigrants that acknowledged this was the UK and this is there culture and we will respect how this country revolves. We've been given the thumb screws to adapt homes to point to mecca fitted beddas and Mideastern squat toilets in new builds. . Strip out kitchens if meat of non halal has been cooked on the appliances provided in rented accommodation . Where do the green mosque roof and interior decorations come from are they British built didn't think so There's a new build house up laburnum road in blackburn that isn't even on the maps its listed as a plot of council garages that will be a retrospective planning issue that will get waved through its been finished for months splender
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5:06am Sat 24 Oct 09

the genuine cypruslad says...

Faithless wrote:
the genuine cypruslad wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races!
Girls only come in one sex.
Try opening a christian boys school!!!
[quote][p][bold]Faithless[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]How is this racist? Muslims and girls come in all races![/p][/quote]Girls only come in one sex. Try opening a christian boys school!!! the genuine cypruslad
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9:42am Sat 24 Oct 09

willybob says...

abdul786 wrote:
Whats the fuss about where are the muslims to comment about the above nonesense. Why is there so jealousy and hatred about this school. If that is the case I think BSF is a waste of money, poor headteachers, no asians in senior positions. Poor discipline, and millions of pounds wasted in educating pupils who dont want to learn. So shut up, and let the Muslim school develop at least its providing a good service with good humans!
"whats the fuss about"......
the fuss is about our kids education being messed around for years on end with this BSF fiasco, millions of pounds of tax-payers money wasted on new buildings while perfectly good ones are pulled down, all to promote intregration and so we can all live 'happily ever after,side by side'.
so we have to do as were told and 'intregrate', but its ok for the muslims to stick with there own.
and how the hell is this providing a good service, when its providing a service to one community only. BSF is what made alot of people like myself start giving their vote to the BNP in the first place. now do you get what the fuss is about?
[quote][p][bold]abdul786[/bold] wrote: Whats the fuss about where are the muslims to comment about the above nonesense. Why is there so jealousy and hatred about this school. If that is the case I think BSF is a waste of money, poor headteachers, no asians in senior positions. Poor discipline, and millions of pounds wasted in educating pupils who dont want to learn. So shut up, and let the Muslim school develop at least its providing a good service with good humans![/p][/quote]"whats the fuss about"...... the fuss is about our kids education being messed around for years on end with this BSF fiasco, millions of pounds of tax-payers money wasted on new buildings while perfectly good ones are pulled down, all to promote intregration and so we can all live 'happily ever after,side by side'. so we have to do as were told and 'intregrate', but its ok for the muslims to stick with there own. and how the hell is this providing a good service, when its providing a service to one community only. BSF is what made alot of people like myself start giving their vote to the BNP in the first place. now do you get what the fuss is about? willybob
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12:12pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Faithless says...

The BSF fiasco was silly. Everybody knows that Asian children are naturally more intelligent and get held back in schools that are supposedly more integrated.
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BSF was created in the hope that if the indigenous kids were integrated they might do better at school and get out of the drinking culture that their parents bring them up in.
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This school is not about providing a free service. A particular community is paying for the school out of their own pocket. If you want a school for your kids pull your money out and pay for it instead of wasting it down the pub. Instead of complaing about how other communities get everything why don't you learn from them, get a job, work hard, save up and PAY for what you want.
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Green domes on mosques. They are NOT imported. Are you stupid? Do you know how much it costs to import something like this? They are always built locally. If you had ever visited the new mosque in Burnley whilst it was being built you would have noticed all the builders were loncal indiginous lads. The same will happen for the school. However, certain political parties dont want this to happen because they only thrive when there is unemployment.
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The BSF fiasco was silly. Everybody knows that Asian children are naturally more intelligent and get held back in schools that are supposedly more integrated. . BSF was created in the hope that if the indigenous kids were integrated they might do better at school and get out of the drinking culture that their parents bring them up in. . This school is not about providing a free service. A particular community is paying for the school out of their own pocket. If you want a school for your kids pull your money out and pay for it instead of wasting it down the pub. Instead of complaing about how other communities get everything why don't you learn from them, get a job, work hard, save up and PAY for what you want. . Green domes on mosques. They are NOT imported. Are you stupid? Do you know how much it costs to import something like this? They are always built locally. If you had ever visited the new mosque in Burnley whilst it was being built you would have noticed all the builders were loncal indiginous lads. The same will happen for the school. However, certain political parties dont want this to happen because they only thrive when there is unemployment. . Faithless
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12:51pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Inter-Rossiter says...

Faithless wrote:
The BSF fiasco was silly. Everybody knows that Asian children are naturally more intelligent and get held back in schools that are supposedly more integrated. . BSF was created in the hope that if the indigenous kids were integrated they might do better at school and get out of the drinking culture that their parents bring them up in. . This school is not about providing a free service. A particular community is paying for the school out of their own pocket. If you want a school for your kids pull your money out and pay for it instead of wasting it down the pub. Instead of complaing about how other communities get everything why don't you learn from them, get a job, work hard, save up and PAY for what you want. . Green domes on mosques. They are NOT imported. Are you stupid? Do you know how much it costs to import something like this? They are always built locally. If you had ever visited the new mosque in Burnley whilst it was being built you would have noticed all the builders were loncal indiginous lads. The same will happen for the school. However, certain political parties dont want this to happen because they only thrive when there is unemployment. .
They also thrive when idiots like yourself come out with the vacuous racist nonsense that's in your first two paragraphs.


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Carry on like this and you may indeed get your wish for Muslims schools. However, it will be in an Islamic state and not here in the UK!

[quote][p][bold]Faithless[/bold] wrote: The BSF fiasco was silly. Everybody knows that Asian children are naturally more intelligent and get held back in schools that are supposedly more integrated. . BSF was created in the hope that if the indigenous kids were integrated they might do better at school and get out of the drinking culture that their parents bring them up in. . This school is not about providing a free service. A particular community is paying for the school out of their own pocket. If you want a school for your kids pull your money out and pay for it instead of wasting it down the pub. Instead of complaing about how other communities get everything why don't you learn from them, get a job, work hard, save up and PAY for what you want. . Green domes on mosques. They are NOT imported. Are you stupid? Do you know how much it costs to import something like this? They are always built locally. If you had ever visited the new mosque in Burnley whilst it was being built you would have noticed all the builders were loncal indiginous lads. The same will happen for the school. However, certain political parties dont want this to happen because they only thrive when there is unemployment. .[/p][/quote]They also thrive when idiots like yourself come out with the vacuous racist nonsense that's in your first two paragraphs. . Carry on like this and you may indeed get your wish for Muslims schools. However, it will be in an Islamic state and not here in the UK! Inter-Rossiter
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1:46pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Ken Shuffles says...

Religions will only serve to further sow the seeds of division as we have been witnessing for thousands of years.

Obviously, nothing has yet been understood in Burnley.
Religions will only serve to further sow the seeds of division as we have been witnessing for thousands of years. Obviously, nothing has yet been understood in Burnley. Ken Shuffles
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1:54pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Ken Shuffles says...

Will any of these women shake the hand of an Atheist ? What will they be encouraged to believe about the Atheists in Burnley ? What will this Islamic school contribute to Religious and Atheist cohesion in the Town.?
Will any of these women shake the hand of an Atheist ? What will they be encouraged to believe about the Atheists in Burnley ? What will this Islamic school contribute to Religious and Atheist cohesion in the Town.? Ken Shuffles
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2:14pm Sat 24 Oct 09

stealer says...

Oldtimer, Religion has been the bugbear of 'Peace' since man invented the 'club' to kill animals !
Sun God worship and all that has appeared since is the result !
Where is KS ?
Re the subject of MS 4 G, initially I thought 'what's all this' ? Is this not segregation of the blatantest kind ?
Reading the many posts I got so bored that I lost the plot !
Suddenly I was reading about some Apas involved in a cross gender resignation issue,'constructive dismissal' claim pending ? Then some guy,not gay, I presume ,with no sense of humour, alleged to have assulted a frivolous youngster, probably bored with a religious sermon !
Stick to the main point please posters!
Oldtimer, Religion has been the bugbear of 'Peace' since man invented the 'club' to kill animals ! Sun God worship and all that has appeared since is the result ! Where is KS ? Re the subject of MS 4 G, initially I thought 'what's all this' ? Is this not segregation of the blatantest kind ? Reading the many posts I got so bored that I lost the plot ! Suddenly I was reading about some Apas involved in a cross gender resignation issue,'constructive dismissal' claim pending ? Then some guy,not gay, I presume ,with no sense of humour, alleged to have assulted a frivolous youngster, probably bored with a religious sermon ! Stick to the main point please posters! stealer
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2:19pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Ken Shuffles says...

Religion is rhetoric and dogma. Peace is a feeling to an Atheist just as much as it is to an Iman or a Pope.

Peace is a feeling not a religion.
Religion is rhetoric and dogma. Peace is a feeling to an Atheist just as much as it is to an Iman or a Pope. Peace is a feeling not a religion. Ken Shuffles
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5:40pm Sat 24 Oct 09

splender says...

As it says in the nationals this mourning NO FACE NO PLACE
if we've not seen the people behind the project first then don't bother coming round here buying up property were the residents are residents and wont contribute/have anything to relate to the nearby area
As it says in the nationals this mourning NO FACE NO PLACE if we've not seen the people behind the project first then don't bother coming round here buying up property were the residents are residents and wont contribute/have anything to relate to the nearby area splender
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10:52pm Sat 24 Oct 09

Nad says...

midas wrote:
the genuine cypruslad wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist? . I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry.
Pray tell me where you have seen a 'white boys' school'; i want to send my Grandson!!
[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist? . I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry.[/p][/quote]Pray tell me where you have seen a 'white boys' school'; i want to send my Grandson!! Nad
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12:43am Sun 25 Oct 09

time.team says...

Something like 90 comments so far so isn't it about time that we sorted all this mess out once and for all. If we’re honest with ourselves this whole issue it about something that we feel we can’t talk about. So I’m not going to talk about it at all. I won't talk about it but we all know what that issue may be about, whatever that issue is?
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But I don’t see why we can’t simply ask the wrong questions? If someone was against painting the Town Hall bright red for some political reason then I don’t know why that same someone could not request a reply by mail saying how impractical and expensive it would be to reverse the action or perhaps it’s against the law to damage it? Therefore it may be that The Town Hall would remain unpainted for that reason and remain just as it was originally conceived. Maybe?
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Get in touch with a sympathetic cause or even your MP who may be a little embarrassed about a possible extra expense or action. Even one that may become embarrassing could very well bring about the original unthought-of reason being solved at the same time?
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So don't just brood angrily about it. Ask something else about it!
Something like 90 comments so far so isn't it about time that we sorted all this mess out once and for all. If we’re honest with ourselves this whole issue it about something that we feel we can’t talk about. So I’m not going to talk about it at all. I won't talk about it but we all know what that issue may be about, whatever that issue is? - But I don’t see why we can’t simply ask the wrong questions? If someone was against painting the Town Hall bright red for some political reason then I don’t know why that same someone could not request a reply by mail saying how impractical and expensive it would be to reverse the action or perhaps it’s against the law to damage it? Therefore it may be that The Town Hall would remain unpainted for that reason and remain just as it was originally conceived. Maybe? - Get in touch with a sympathetic cause or even your MP who may be a little embarrassed about a possible extra expense or action. Even one that may become embarrassing could very well bring about the original unthought-of reason being solved at the same time? - So don't just brood angrily about it. Ask something else about it! time.team
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1:10pm Sun 25 Oct 09

true.british says...

COME ON KITTY USHER YOUR STILL BURNLEY'S MP,LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT OLD BURNLEY COLLEGE CHANGING INTO A MUSLIM GIRLS BOARDING SCHOOL,
COME ON KITTY USHER YOUR STILL BURNLEY'S MP,LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT OLD BURNLEY COLLEGE CHANGING INTO A MUSLIM GIRLS BOARDING SCHOOL, true.british
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2:40pm Sun 25 Oct 09

Faithless says...

Nad wrote:
midas wrote:
the genuine cypruslad wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?
Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist? . I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry.
Pray tell me where you have seen a 'white boys' school'; i want to send my Grandson!!
Where have you seen a non-whites girls school?
[quote][p][bold]Nad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Muslem girls school!! Is this not sexist and racist?[/p][/quote]Muslim isn't a race, but taking your point is a catholic boys school (or a white boys school) sexist and racist? . I haven't read in the article that the colour of skin was a criteria for entry.[/p][/quote]Pray tell me where you have seen a 'white boys' school'; i want to send my Grandson!![/p][/quote]Where have you seen a non-whites girls school? Faithless
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3:21pm Sun 25 Oct 09

Ken Shuffles says...

If an Atheist could show God was an Atheist - would his children be allowed to attend ?
If an Atheist could show God was an Atheist - would his children be allowed to attend ? Ken Shuffles
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3:25pm Sun 25 Oct 09

stealer says...

Usual stuff KS ! I agree with you.
Usual stuff KS ! I agree with you. stealer
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6:33pm Sun 25 Oct 09

ganja man says...

Well it seems the key words of
"Muslims", "asians", "immigrants", "asylum seekers" have brought out these so called BNP activists in their "large numbers". After the battering the BNP and the buffoon Griffin received on Question Time you would have thought they would have seen the writing is on the wall for the fascists and their descent into the bowels of oblivion. Most people realise now they have been conned into voting for the fascists who still deny the holocaust and its saddo leader Griffin is deluded into believing the Ku Klux Klan is led by a NON VIOLENT person!
Seems to me the BNP is running away from deprived areas once it realises the ordinary people will never be conned by these fascists.
Onwards and upwards for the comrades and the UAF.
Where is that coward " a con" hiding?
No doubt posting on here under his many names. Easy to spot though, as the most nasty ugly postings on here are by him.
Hope Griffin is allowed to appear on Question Time , again!
Build the school, but with adherence to strict planning rules to ensure no chaos for the local residents and for integration into the local community by the students.
Well it seems the key words of "Muslims", "asians", "immigrants", "asylum seekers" have brought out these so called BNP activists in their "large numbers". After the battering the BNP and the buffoon Griffin received on Question Time you would have thought they would have seen the writing is on the wall for the fascists and their descent into the bowels of oblivion. Most people realise now they have been conned into voting for the fascists who still deny the holocaust and its saddo leader Griffin is deluded into believing the Ku Klux Klan is led by a NON VIOLENT person! Seems to me the BNP is running away from deprived areas once it realises the ordinary people will never be conned by these fascists. Onwards and upwards for the comrades and the UAF. Where is that coward " a con" hiding? No doubt posting on here under his many names. Easy to spot though, as the most nasty ugly postings on here are by him. Hope Griffin is allowed to appear on Question Time , again! Build the school, but with adherence to strict planning rules to ensure no chaos for the local residents and for integration into the local community by the students. ganja man
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6:41pm Sun 25 Oct 09

ganja man says...

"RAyzer" you are not among the brightest sparks on here by a long chalk.
Before quoting statistics you have to have an understanding of the basics,
sample size,
mean
Normal Distribution
Correlation

You are out of your depth, if they had a 20% increase in voters, from such a low base they are still a MINORITY MINORITY PARTY.

"RAyzer" forget newspapers, stick to raeding the Beano, Dennis the Menace thats your level, muppet!!!!!
"RAyzer" you are not among the brightest sparks on here by a long chalk. Before quoting statistics you have to have an understanding of the basics, sample size, mean Normal Distribution Correlation You are out of your depth, if they had a 20% increase in voters, from such a low base they are still a MINORITY MINORITY PARTY. "RAyzer" forget newspapers, stick to raeding the Beano, Dennis the Menace thats your level, muppet!!!!! ganja man
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9:13pm Sun 25 Oct 09

deanmit says...

If this school gets the go ahead its a joke as the Secondary school pupils of Burnley have lost three years of their education due to the merger and set up of the super schools, the whole purpose of setting these schools up was to intergrate to acheive a better ethenic minority mix, especially in West Burnley where we live. To allow this school to go ahead is total contridiction to what the Super Schools are supposed to be about.
From a very dissapointed parent.
If this school gets the go ahead its a joke as the Secondary school pupils of Burnley have lost three years of their education due to the merger and set up of the super schools, the whole purpose of setting these schools up was to intergrate to acheive a better ethenic minority mix, especially in West Burnley where we live. To allow this school to go ahead is total contridiction to what the Super Schools are supposed to be about. From a very dissapointed parent. deanmit
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10:16pm Sun 25 Oct 09

jghazanfar says...

Below is an article that appeared in the Sun Newspaper today. The article clearly enforces the reasons why a muslim school, paid for by muslims is wanted.
It has been fine until now to have any other kind of school, boys schools, girls scholls, catholic schools, jewish school and all paid by the Govt. but when muslim women are being driven out of schools by the racist staff and students and they setup their own school with their own money the racists come out of their council houses and scream foul play.
If you dont want the muslims to buy Burnley College, buy it yourself, if you dont want muslims to buy your churches dont abandon them.
The number of racists has not increased - it is just that now it is coming out into the open. Yesterday we were told that BNP support has risen to 20%. As a muslim whose grandparents are from Pakistan i know that at least 1 in 5 persons is extremely racist in Burnley and Pendle and I know as i go South towards London there seems to be more intelligent people ie less racists - i personally belive that racists have a mental disease. I laugh at people who try and hide their racists views by playing with words. They dont realise they stink a mile off , anyway here comes the article.
25/10/2009
A COLLEGE has banned a Muslim woman from becoming a student - because she will not take off a veil hiding her face.
Shawana Bilqes, 18, was turned away after trying to enrol on a course.
Staff asked her to remove her burka - which covers everything but her eyes - for identity fraud purposes.
But she told them she could not because of her religious beliefs, and was forced to abandon plans to sign up for the Access course to Higher Education Diploma.
Yesterday Shawana, from Burnley, Lancs, said: "It is my choice to wear the veil.
"I live around the corner from the college in an area where there are so many practising Muslims.

Face rule ... Burnley College
Alamy
"I tried to compromise but they wouldn't. The college sent me a letter to say I could continue with my course if I stopped wearing the veil.
Security
"We are in the 21st Century and we get people from all walks of life. I'm in the police cadets as well and yet it's not a problem wearing the veil there."
Burnley College has 7,500 sixth-form students and a 100 per cent pass rate for the fourth year running.
Principal John Smith defended the decision, saying: "The highest standards of learning require unimpeded communication with students.
"This is not possible if the face is not fully visible."
He also insisted all staff and students must wear a tag showing their face for security reasons.
Justice Secretary Jack Straw previously hit out at the rise of the burka in his Blackburn constituency.
And in France, President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke out in June against the garment, claiming it undermined women's dignity.
He said: "The burka is not a sign of religion, it's a sign of subservience."


Below is an article that appeared in the Sun Newspaper today. The article clearly enforces the reasons why a muslim school, paid for by muslims is wanted. It has been fine until now to have any other kind of school, boys schools, girls scholls, catholic schools, jewish school and all paid by the Govt. but when muslim women are being driven out of schools by the racist staff and students and they setup their own school with their own money the racists come out of their council houses and scream foul play. If you dont want the muslims to buy Burnley College, buy it yourself, if you dont want muslims to buy your churches dont abandon them. The number of racists has not increased - it is just that now it is coming out into the open. Yesterday we were told that BNP support has risen to 20%. As a muslim whose grandparents are from Pakistan i know that at least 1 in 5 persons is extremely racist in Burnley and Pendle and I know as i go South towards London there seems to be more intelligent people ie less racists - i personally belive that racists have a mental disease. I laugh at people who try and hide their racists views by playing with words. They dont realise they stink a mile off , anyway here comes the article. 25/10/2009 A COLLEGE has banned a Muslim woman from becoming a student - because she will not take off a veil hiding her face. Shawana Bilqes, 18, was turned away after trying to enrol on a course. Staff asked her to remove her burka - which covers everything but her eyes - for identity fraud purposes. But she told them she could not because of her religious beliefs, and was forced to abandon plans to sign up for the Access course to Higher Education Diploma. Yesterday Shawana, from Burnley, Lancs, said: "It is my choice to wear the veil. "I live around the corner from the college in an area where there are so many practising Muslims. Face rule ... Burnley College Alamy "I tried to compromise but they wouldn't. The college sent me a letter to say I could continue with my course if I stopped wearing the veil. Security "We are in the 21st Century and we get people from all walks of life. I'm in the police cadets as well and yet it's not a problem wearing the veil there." Burnley College has 7,500 sixth-form students and a 100 per cent pass rate for the fourth year running. Principal John Smith defended the decision, saying: "The highest standards of learning require unimpeded communication with students. "This is not possible if the face is not fully visible." He also insisted all staff and students must wear a tag showing their face for security reasons. Justice Secretary Jack Straw previously hit out at the rise of the burka in his Blackburn constituency. And in France, President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke out in June against the garment, claiming it undermined women's dignity. He said: "The burka is not a sign of religion, it's a sign of subservience." jghazanfar
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12:35am Mon 26 Oct 09

ENGLISH SKINHEAD says...

jghazanfar,

Just a note. When I went to college, we all had security passes. I objected when they were introduced, as there was no real need for a pass in a college. It was enforced about six months later after a young women was raped in a college toilet. I'm not sure if the passes would have prevented that but I felt pretty bad.
I suppose that in any public building staff need to identify people if they have to.

As regards the burka, I'm intrigued to know why, in your opinion, the burka has become so popular? When I was growing-up in Blackburn, close to Whalley Range I don't recall seeing one worn. What does it symbolise?

On subject of faith schools. Yes it is totally unfair that the state funds, to a large degree, faith schools and doesn't fund Muslim schools to the same extent. I think that religion should be practised outside school. Children should be encouraged to see what brings us together, what we have in common, not what separates us.
jghazanfar, Just a note. When I went to college, we all had security passes. I objected when they were introduced, as there was no real need for a pass in a college. It was enforced about six months later after a young women was raped in a college toilet. I'm not sure if the passes would have prevented that but I felt pretty bad. I suppose that in any public building staff need to identify people if they have to. As regards the burka, I'm intrigued to know why, in your opinion, the burka has become so popular? When I was growing-up in Blackburn, close to Whalley Range I don't recall seeing one worn. What does it symbolise? On subject of faith schools. Yes it is totally unfair that the state funds, to a large degree, faith schools and doesn't fund Muslim schools to the same extent. I think that religion should be practised outside school. Children should be encouraged to see what brings us together, what we have in common, not what separates us. ENGLISH SKINHEAD
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12:18pm Mon 26 Oct 09

vintageclaret says...

frankly I'm appalled at the proposal. This venerable building has served the Burnley community and surroundings for years. I used to attend when it was partly used by BGS and also for night school. Many noteworthy pupils have passed through its doors who have gone on to become quite famous and added greatly to keeping the Great in Great Britain. Surely opportunity should be taken to create a North of England Historical and Heritage Centre where the true values of the U.K. and the N.of E's contribution to this. To create something that is not part of our heritage or culture is again a slap in the face for the traditions of our country. You only need to see last week's press regarding the "Desired wish" to break the rules of the new college by a young lady. By offering such leniency and this building will only lead to more attempts a religious domination. Also, reading the article it already looks like it is a cut and dried deal without being made known to the public. This smacks at some underhandedness having been done on somewhere. Surely all plans for change of use etc. have to be made known and could result in just handing the council over to the BNP
frankly I'm appalled at the proposal. This venerable building has served the Burnley community and surroundings for years. I used to attend when it was partly used by BGS and also for night school. Many noteworthy pupils have passed through its doors who have gone on to become quite famous and added greatly to keeping the Great in Great Britain. Surely opportunity should be taken to create a North of England Historical and Heritage Centre where the true values of the U.K. and the N.of E's contribution to this. To create something that is not part of our heritage or culture is again a slap in the face for the traditions of our country. You only need to see last week's press regarding the "Desired wish" to break the rules of the new college by a young lady. By offering such leniency and this building will only lead to more attempts a religious domination. Also, reading the article it already looks like it is a cut and dried deal without being made known to the public. This smacks at some underhandedness having been done on somewhere. Surely all plans for change of use etc. have to be made known and could result in just handing the council over to the BNP vintageclaret
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3:49am Tue 27 Oct 09

burnley5960 says...

I agree with you 100%,this just gives rise to support fot the BNP who are the Nazi party in all but name,why the council can't see it is beyond me they do not seem to understand this is not an Islamic state as for the young lady I would suggest she complies with our culture not the other way around!!!
I agree with you 100%,this just gives rise to support fot the BNP who are the Nazi party in all but name,why the council can't see it is beyond me they do not seem to understand this is not an Islamic state as for the young lady I would suggest she complies with our culture not the other way around!!! burnley5960
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4:09am Tue 27 Oct 09

burnley5960 says...

jghazanfar wrote:
Below is an article that appeared in the Sun Newspaper today. The article clearly enforces the reasons why a muslim school, paid for by muslims is wanted.
It has been fine until now to have any other kind of school, boys schools, girls scholls, catholic schools, jewish school and all paid by the Govt. but when muslim women are being driven out of schools by the racist staff and students and they setup their own school with their own money the racists come out of their council houses and scream foul play.
If you dont want the muslims to buy Burnley College, buy it yourself, if you dont want muslims to buy your churches dont abandon them.
The number of racists has not increased - it is just that now it is coming out into the open. Yesterday we were told that BNP support has risen to 20%. As a muslim whose grandparents are from Pakistan i know that at least 1 in 5 persons is extremely racist in Burnley and Pendle and I know as i go South towards London there seems to be more intelligent people ie less racists - i personally belive that racists have a mental disease. I laugh at people who try and hide their racists views by playing with words. They dont realise they stink a mile off , anyway here comes the article.
25/10/2009
A COLLEGE has banned a Muslim woman from becoming a student - because she will not take off a veil hiding her face.
Shawana Bilqes, 18, was turned away after trying to enrol on a course.
Staff asked her to remove her burka - which covers everything but her eyes - for identity fraud purposes.
But she told them she could not because of her religious beliefs, and was forced to abandon plans to sign up for the Access course to Higher Education Diploma.
Yesterday Shawana, from Burnley, Lancs, said: "It is my choice to wear the veil.
"I live around the corner from the college in an area where there are so many practising Muslims.

Face rule ... Burnley College
Alamy
"I tried to compromise but they wouldn't. The college sent me a letter to say I could continue with my course if I stopped wearing the veil.
Security
"We are in the 21st Century and we get people from all walks of life. I'm in the police cadets as well and yet it's not a problem wearing the veil there."
Burnley College has 7,500 sixth-form students and a 100 per cent pass rate for the fourth year running.
Principal John Smith defended the decision, saying: "The highest standards of learning require unimpeded communication with students.
"This is not possible if the face is not fully visible."
He also insisted all staff and students must wear a tag showing their face for security reasons.
Justice Secretary Jack Straw previously hit out at the rise of the burka in his Blackburn constituency.
And in France, President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke out in June against the garment, claiming it undermined women's dignity.
He said: "The burka is not a sign of religion, it's a sign of subservience."


As a Jew,I do not agree with you,think to your self why there is this reaction from people,they do not want what they perceive as an align culture forced on them,its not about education and the more you perceive every thing you don't agree with to be racist the more you play into the hands of the BNP,whoalso as a Jew I DETEST !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jghazanfar[/bold] wrote: Below is an article that appeared in the Sun Newspaper today. The article clearly enforces the reasons why a muslim school, paid for by muslims is wanted. It has been fine until now to have any other kind of school, boys schools, girls scholls, catholic schools, jewish school and all paid by the Govt. but when muslim women are being driven out of schools by the racist staff and students and they setup their own school with their own money the racists come out of their council houses and scream foul play. If you dont want the muslims to buy Burnley College, buy it yourself, if you dont want muslims to buy your churches dont abandon them. The number of racists has not increased - it is just that now it is coming out into the open. Yesterday we were told that BNP support has risen to 20%. As a muslim whose grandparents are from Pakistan i know that at least 1 in 5 persons is extremely racist in Burnley and Pendle and I know as i go South towards London there seems to be more intelligent people ie less racists - i personally belive that racists have a mental disease. I laugh at people who try and hide their racists views by playing with words. They dont realise they stink a mile off , anyway here comes the article. 25/10/2009 A COLLEGE has banned a Muslim woman from becoming a student - because she will not take off a veil hiding her face. Shawana Bilqes, 18, was turned away after trying to enrol on a course. Staff asked her to remove her burka - which covers everything but her eyes - for identity fraud purposes. But she told them she could not because of her religious beliefs, and was forced to abandon plans to sign up for the Access course to Higher Education Diploma. Yesterday Shawana, from Burnley, Lancs, said: "It is my choice to wear the veil. "I live around the corner from the college in an area where there are so many practising Muslims. Face rule ... Burnley College Alamy "I tried to compromise but they wouldn't. The college sent me a letter to say I could continue with my course if I stopped wearing the veil. Security "We are in the 21st Century and we get people from all walks of life. I'm in the police cadets as well and yet it's not a problem wearing the veil there." Burnley College has 7,500 sixth-form students and a 100 per cent pass rate for the fourth year running. Principal John Smith defended the decision, saying: "The highest standards of learning require unimpeded communication with students. "This is not possible if the face is not fully visible." He also insisted all staff and students must wear a tag showing their face for security reasons. Justice Secretary Jack Straw previously hit out at the rise of the burka in his Blackburn constituency. And in France, President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke out in June against the garment, claiming it undermined women's dignity. He said: "The burka is not a sign of religion, it's a sign of subservience." [/p][/quote]As a Jew,I do not agree with you,think to your self why there is this reaction from people,they do not want what they perceive as an align culture forced on them,its not about education and the more you perceive every thing you don't agree with to be racist the more you play into the hands of the BNP,whoalso as a Jew I DETEST !!!!! burnley5960
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11:50pm Sat 14 Nov 09

angel.1.2.3 says...

U NO WOT??? I'M SIIK OF THIIS I'M A MUSLIM, I WAS BORN IN BURNLEY GENREAL HOSPITAL SO I THINK THAT I'VE GOT SUM SAY IN THIS. THERES OVA 100 COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE AND MOST OF THEM ARE SAYIN THE SAME THING, E.G why a muslim school - 1. IT'S NOT A SCHOOL ... IT'S A COLLEGE 2.IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM."MUSLIM" GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE ... IT WILL BE SPECILISING IN ISLAM BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CHRISTIANS/JEWS/HIND
US AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE FORM A DIFFERENT RELIGION CNT GO THERE. it OFFERS EVRYTHING. I READ EVRY COMMENT ON HERE BUT THE THING I FIND MOST STRANGE IS THAT 'splender, blackburn' HAS POSTED QUITE A FEW NEGATIVE COMMENTS. WHY R U POSTING COMMENTS AGAIN AND AGAIN? BECAUSE WHEN I READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, THEY SEEM QUITE RASCIST TO ME, BUT I SHUDNT GET THAT FEELING BECAUSE RASICM ISN'T ALLOWED IN ENGLAND.
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I PERSONALLY KNOW THE CHAIRMAN/ FOUNDER OF THE CHARITY SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT AND I DONT UNDERSTAND Y YOU ARE ALL RITING THESE ABUSIVE OMMENTS ON HERE, WHY DONT YOU TRY AND GET A MEETING WITH HIM (THE FOUNDER/CHAIRMAN) AND TELL HIIM YOUR PROBLEMS, THEN THEY'LL BE SORTED ONCE AND FOR ALL.
i PERSONALLY HAD A FEW PROBLEMS, AND I'M A MUSLIM, BUT I MADE AN APPOINTMENT WOTH HIM AND I GOT IT SORTED. BY THE WAY, IF YOU NEED HIS/ THEIR CONTACT DETAILS, VISIT 'www.thenoor.tv' and click on contact us. SO CAN YOU ALL PLEASE STOP POSTING THESE RIDICUOLOUS COMMENTS NOW AND JUST GET IN WITH IT, IT'S NOT A DISSCUSSION FORUM. READING ALL THESE COMMENTS HAS REALLY ANNOYED ME. OH AND BY THE WAY, NOBDY SED THAT THE MUSLIM GIRLZ HAV TO WEAR A BUKHA OR A VEIL, THAT IS THEOR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE. tHE BURKHA REPRESENTS MODESTY AND IS ALSO SO THAT BOYS DNT FLIRT AND HIT ON THEM AND THE VEIL IS BECASUE THEY THINK THAT MEN START STARING AT ANYONE WHO GOES PAST'S FACE AND IT NOT REALLII MODEST IF MEN THAT ARE STRANGERS STARING STARING AT YOU AND BE SIZING YOU UP.

by alinah sccaff, 15 yrs old


if anyone wanst anymore info about this, add me in on sedy@hotmail.co.uk
U NO WOT??? I'M SIIK OF THIIS I'M A MUSLIM, I WAS BORN IN BURNLEY GENREAL HOSPITAL SO I THINK THAT I'VE GOT SUM SAY IN THIS. THERES OVA 100 COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE AND MOST OF THEM ARE SAYIN THE SAME THING, E.G why a muslim school - 1. IT'S NOT A SCHOOL ... IT'S A COLLEGE 2.IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM."MUSLIM" GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE ... IT WILL BE SPECILISING IN ISLAM BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CHRISTIANS/JEWS/HIND US AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE FORM A DIFFERENT RELIGION CNT GO THERE. it OFFERS EVRYTHING. I READ EVRY COMMENT ON HERE BUT THE THING I FIND MOST STRANGE IS THAT 'splender, blackburn' HAS POSTED QUITE A FEW NEGATIVE COMMENTS. WHY R U POSTING COMMENTS AGAIN AND AGAIN? BECAUSE WHEN I READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, THEY SEEM QUITE RASCIST TO ME, BUT I SHUDNT GET THAT FEELING BECAUSE RASICM ISN'T ALLOWED IN ENGLAND. .... I PERSONALLY KNOW THE CHAIRMAN/ FOUNDER OF THE CHARITY SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT AND I DONT UNDERSTAND Y YOU ARE ALL RITING THESE ABUSIVE OMMENTS ON HERE, WHY DONT YOU TRY AND GET A MEETING WITH HIM (THE FOUNDER/CHAIRMAN) AND TELL HIIM YOUR PROBLEMS, THEN THEY'LL BE SORTED ONCE AND FOR ALL. i PERSONALLY HAD A FEW PROBLEMS, AND I'M A MUSLIM, BUT I MADE AN APPOINTMENT WOTH HIM AND I GOT IT SORTED. BY THE WAY, IF YOU NEED HIS/ THEIR CONTACT DETAILS, VISIT 'www.thenoor.tv' and click on contact us. SO CAN YOU ALL PLEASE STOP POSTING THESE RIDICUOLOUS COMMENTS NOW AND JUST GET IN WITH IT, IT'S NOT A DISSCUSSION FORUM. READING ALL THESE COMMENTS HAS REALLY ANNOYED ME. OH AND BY THE WAY, NOBDY SED THAT THE MUSLIM GIRLZ HAV TO WEAR A BUKHA OR A VEIL, THAT IS THEOR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE. tHE BURKHA REPRESENTS MODESTY AND IS ALSO SO THAT BOYS DNT FLIRT AND HIT ON THEM AND THE VEIL IS BECASUE THEY THINK THAT MEN START STARING AT ANYONE WHO GOES PAST'S FACE AND IT NOT REALLII MODEST IF MEN THAT ARE STRANGERS STARING STARING AT YOU AND BE SIZING YOU UP. by alinah sccaff, 15 yrs old if anyone wanst anymore info about this, add me in on sedy@hotmail.co.uk angel.1.2.3
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