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Blackburn councillor joins English Democrats to stand against BNP


A BLACKBURN with Darwen councillor is taking on a national role for the English Democrats Party.

Michael Johnson, who has represented the far-right England First Party, the For Darwen Party, and is the Fernhurst ward councillor on Blackburn with Darwen Council, has taken over the role of chairman of the North West English Democrats.

He said he joined the party to stop the British National Party getting a foothold in the area.

BNP leader Nick Griffin is standing for a North West seat in the European Parliament elections in June.

The English Democrats are a Euro-sceptic party which campaigns for England to be recognised and treated as a nation in its own right, as is the case with Scotland and Wales.

The party also wants England to leave the European Union and to rejoin the European Free Trade Association.

Mr Johnson, 48, of Dean Street, Darwen, said: “Nick Griffin stands a very good chance of getting in.

"Him getting into Europe on a Lancashire ticket will be a nightmare and will spark a BNP revival.”

Comments(49)

ganja man says...
12:26pm Wed 29 Apr 09

This man is to be applauded for seeing the error of his ways.
Opposing the BNP with its cons and lies is something to be highly praised.

Well done to to you Mr Johnson many many others will follow your footsteps out of the BNP.

Join us in the ANL and SWP fighting the naziz and fascists wherever they rear their ugly heads.

ganja man says...
12:32pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Mr Johnson as an insider to the world of the extreme right and the fascists you could do more to highlight to ordinary working class people the hidden agenda of the BNP.

This will prevent more ordinary people from being conned and nisled with untruths and then unfortunately voting for them.

Good luck in your campaign and opposing BNP leader Nick Griffin. Not a nice man.

Owain Glyndwr says...
1:51pm Wed 29 Apr 09

I agree with ganga man, anyone who can stop the far right should have a pat on the back, one must remember JM he has not changed his views on what he stands for, if the truth was known, he is still a far right activist and by him jioning the English Democrats he has not changed his views on far right Polices, not by a long way. I feel he is a plant within the English Democrats

whereistedward says...
2:28pm Wed 29 Apr 09

I wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ???

Councillor Michael Johnson says...
3:20pm Wed 29 Apr 09

I was not going to comment but i feel i must show some of the posters where they seem to live in the land of nod.
Some people are commenting about me as if they know me?
If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not.

FICTION
wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ???

DARWEN INDEPENDENTS WERE NOT A PARTY JUST THREE BLOKES WHO STOOD IN THE ELECTIONS AND I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM.

NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH OR VOTED FOR THE BNP.
Reason i am an English Nationalist you idiot.

Elected as an English Nationalist. CORRECT

DID not jump ship to the for Darwen party, i started it and the FDP are not a National political party just a local action party.
One of the FDP rules is any member can follow their own national politics.

You become an independent when you leave a party and have no political stance.

English Democrats an English Nationalist party.
The only party who could take votes away from the BNP so if you are against me or the party you must be for the BNP.

Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts.
I could have made it easier for him, all he had to do was ask!!!

Cast Lead says...
3:36pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Councillor Michael Johnson wrote:
I was not going to comment but i feel i must show some of the posters where they seem to live in the land of nod. Some people are commenting about me as if they know me? If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not. FICTION wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ??? DARWEN INDEPENDENTS WERE NOT A PARTY JUST THREE BLOKES WHO STOOD IN THE ELECTIONS AND I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH OR VOTED FOR THE BNP. Reason i am an English Nationalist you idiot. Elected as an English Nationalist. CORRECT DID not jump ship to the for Darwen party, i started it and the FDP are not a National political party just a local action party. One of the FDP rules is any member can follow their own national politics. You become an independent when you leave a party and have no political stance. English Democrats an English Nationalist party. The only party who could take votes away from the BNP so if you are against me or the party you must be for the BNP. Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts. I could have made it easier for him, all he had to do was ask!!!
"...If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not.
..."

Report comments (misinformed or otherwise) to the police?

So much for right of freedom of expression...and what an odd way of thinking.

Sorry to intrude on your self-delusion Councillor Michael Johnson, but we haven't quite sunk to the level of Venezuela or Zimbabwe just yet.

easymonies says...
3:38pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Coun. Johnson.

You lost my vote as soon as you called someone an idiot and then assumed that because people were not not for you must be for the BNP.

As a councilor you may have private thoughts but should remain professional and not publicly call someone an idiot. An 'Idiot' can loose you your post.

Thank you though for helping me make my mind up.

Councillor Michael Johnson says...
3:38pm Wed 29 Apr 09

libel laws and abuse is not free speach

Cast Lead says...
5:11pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Councillor Michael Johnson wrote:
libel laws and abuse is not free speach
It might help if you could even spell 'speach' (sic) correctly.

So let me get this right; you're going to call the police for alleged libel?

Mmmm; last time I checked, defamation of character was a civil not a criminal matter.

And whether it's libellous or not, it's still free speech until a libel judge decides otherwise and deems it a contempt of court to repeat it, not some jumped up local jobsworth.

Are you really a councillor?

Cast Lead says...
6:00pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Councillor Michael Johnson wrote:
libel laws and abuse is not free speach
Upon re-reading your post, the only abusive post came from you Councillor Mike. Tut tut.

Do still wish to proceed with your police complaint?

You might need to ask for the 'Libel Squad'. Not sure if they have a 'freedom of expression' victim support unit on hand for such emergencies as yours.

Best of luck!

guardian says...
7:00pm Wed 29 Apr 09

Councillor Michael Johnson wrote:
I was not going to comment but i feel i must show some of the posters where they seem to live in the land of nod. Some people are commenting about me as if they know me? If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not. FICTION wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ??? DARWEN INDEPENDENTS WERE NOT A PARTY JUST THREE BLOKES WHO STOOD IN THE ELECTIONS AND I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH OR VOTED FOR THE BNP. Reason i am an English Nationalist you idiot. Elected as an English Nationalist. CORRECT DID not jump ship to the for Darwen party, i started it and the FDP are not a National political party just a local action party. One of the FDP rules is any member can follow their own national politics. You become an independent when you leave a party and have no political stance. English Democrats an English Nationalist party. The only party who could take votes away from the BNP so if you are against me or the party you must be for the BNP. Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts. I could have made it easier for him, all he had to do was ask!!!
Councillor Johnson was actually elected as an 'England First Party' candidate, not an English Nationalist. The 'Darwen Independents' stood candidates in variouas wards in local elections, so were indeed a local political party. One 'M. Johnson' was their agent ! The 'For Darwen' Party are an officially registered political party. They are in an official coalition or 'partnership' with the Conservatives and Liberal-Democrats on BwD Council. So to say they are not political isn't true.

Excluded says...
10:49pm Wed 29 Apr 09

If I went to as many parties as Michael Johnson, I'd be too knackered to go to work.


ex-fascist says...
1:48am Thu 30 Apr 09

Speaking as a former National Front officer myself I obviously take the view that anybody should be allowed to change their mind, and that any genuine public renunciation of fascist and racist views should be applauded.

Coterminous with that is the duty such a person has to state in clear and unambiguous terms their rejection of their formerly-held views. This especially applies when such a person is standing for public office.

As a member of the England First Party (not the BNP) Councillor Johnson has publicly expressed views of a very racist nature. Does he now regret expressing these sentiments, or does his reason for wishing to stop the BNP revolve purely around his being an English (as opposed to British) nationalist?

This is what he needs to make clear.

That said, whatever his views if his intervention prevents the BNP from getting a seat at Brussels then personally I'm not complaining.

How about some clarification please Councillor Johnson?

Cast Lead says...
9:32am Thu 30 Apr 09

guardian wrote:
Councillor Michael Johnson wrote: I was not going to comment but i feel i must show some of the posters where they seem to live in the land of nod. Some people are commenting about me as if they know me? If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not. FICTION wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ??? DARWEN INDEPENDENTS WERE NOT A PARTY JUST THREE BLOKES WHO STOOD IN THE ELECTIONS AND I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH OR VOTED FOR THE BNP. Reason i am an English Nationalist you idiot. Elected as an English Nationalist. CORRECT DID not jump ship to the for Darwen party, i started it and the FDP are not a National political party just a local action party. One of the FDP rules is any member can follow their own national politics. You become an independent when you leave a party and have no political stance. English Democrats an English Nationalist party. The only party who could take votes away from the BNP so if you are against me or the party you must be for the BNP. Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts. I could have made it easier for him, all he had to do was ask!!!
Councillor Johnson was actually elected as an 'England First Party' candidate, not an English Nationalist. The 'Darwen Independents' stood candidates in variouas wards in local elections, so were indeed a local political party. One 'M. Johnson' was their agent ! The 'For Darwen' Party are an officially registered political party. They are in an official coalition or 'partnership' with the Conservatives and Liberal-Democrats on BwD Council. So to say they are not political isn't true.
Where are the 'Darwen People's Front', the 'Darwen Popular People's Front' the 'Campaign for a Free Darwen' and the 'Popular Front of Darwen' when you need 'em?

wotmnisnttkn says...
2:15pm Thu 30 Apr 09

He has replied to a respondent in a most filthy manner over what is possibly an honest error. He looks like your typical thuggish red-in-the-bed.
Has some support from those who hate patriotism. (Weird!)

Would I vote for this (who?). Who wants to damage Britains only chance for a snipe at the big three?

What does this man have as a plan to get us out of the EU, to reduce crimes? Reduce our overburdened population? Does he have a ready network abroad to team up with and help our cause? Nah!

His only purpose is to weaken the BNP vote.

wotmnisnttkn says...
2:19pm Thu 30 Apr 09

Can't see him getting anywhere with the potential BNP vote.

ganja man says...
2:27pm Thu 30 Apr 09

The ganja applauds the actions and efforts of Mr Johnson to keep the fascists and nazis out of power.

A man of courage who is standing up to the thugs and will help to keep them out.

Clearly, the BNP activists are trying to smear MR Johnson ahead of the election as they can see the writing on the wall for their lies and nonsense in attemting to con the British public.

wotmnisnttkn says...
3:07pm Thu 30 Apr 09

lol@Ganga da druggieman

A man of courage? You mean to say he will brave a knife in the back or a claw hammer to his skull? Will he have to suffer the ignominious slavering of the police, the councils, the 'minorities', the Government? Will he have to endure illegal acts like discrimination of the workplace?
No wait!! The next resolve that was jibed at by Unison.. "Slash the BNP".

Who's a hero. Who's a zero?

Remember what a Na-zi is and bide well to have a read on fascism. Unless you can prove beyond your childish simplistic notions that the BNP are, I will see your point for what it is. Lies, smears, nonsense and conning. (oops, your words).

ganja man says...
8:02pm Thu 30 Apr 09

Wigan aka akon aka duke bar have you read mein kamphe?
Do you agree with it?

Are there any fascists and nazi's within the BNP membership?

Do you believe in views of John Tyndall?

June 4th you will receive a thumping loss at the ballot box.
Which by the way, never cons or lies!

wotmnisnttkn says...
9:25pm Thu 30 Apr 09

Changing the subject my druggie friend?

meine kampf?: Not interested. Tyndal? His policies, like himself are dead. Unlike Hitlers 1000yr plan... The EU.

I don't have issues with dead men. Its the living that cause trouble.

I have always been union/labour until the weirdo's usurped its name.

I have issues with Na-zi's, especially inter(national)-na-z
i's like Browns lot. A fascists regime is nondemocratic and totalitarian. (Like labour). Wheres my vote for the EU? Why the spying on all here? Why the laws that serve one person and not the other? Why do they serve undemocratic principles and not us?

As goes the vote. the public have been conned before. I'm sick of being a cash cow for bums like you. Get off the weed.

What is "akon aka duke bar". This some druggie speak?

NICEONESUNSHINE says...
9:40pm Thu 30 Apr 09

Councillor Michael Johnson wrote:
I was not going to comment but i feel i must show some of the posters where they seem to live in the land of nod. Some people are commenting about me as if they know me? If they do then they should use their own name so we could report this to the police and see who if the one full of garbage or not. FICTION wonder how long Councillor Johnson will last with his latest Party ? He started out in the 'Darwen Independent Party', flirted with the BNP, then was elected as 'England First Party'. Then jumped ship to the 'For Darwen Party'.Then became an 'Independent', now English Democrat. I wonder what next ??? DARWEN INDEPENDENTS WERE NOT A PARTY JUST THREE BLOKES WHO STOOD IN THE ELECTIONS AND I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH OR VOTED FOR THE BNP. Reason i am an English Nationalist you idiot. Elected as an English Nationalist. CORRECT DID not jump ship to the for Darwen party, i started it and the FDP are not a National political party just a local action party. One of the FDP rules is any member can follow their own national politics. You become an independent when you leave a party and have no political stance. English Democrats an English Nationalist party. The only party who could take votes away from the BNP so if you are against me or the party you must be for the BNP. Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts. I could have made it easier for him, all he had to do was ask!!!
"Like i said once you get past the idiot ranting of the unimformed you get the facts.".

Thanks for this post Michael. How people like you get elected is totally beyond me? It's clearly obvious that you're the "idiot","ranting"ple
ase keep on posting so that balanced people can get an idea of what an 'arrogant' 'conceited' fool you are.

Danielboy says...
1:19am Fri 1 May 09

I find this report rather strange. Does this gentleman know where he is or what he is doing? We are constantly told that The British National Party is going no-where. Then why this manic behavior from dubious groups, MPs and the media? If they are useless, then you have nothing to worry about. But we are beginning to realise they are nothing of the sort. And that is the rub isn't it. If you log on to their website you can see for yourself the people at various meetings all over the country. Or if poss, look at the leaked list and the calibre of the people on it. It is quite a wake-up call. But of course you know that don't you. That's why you are worried.

ex-fascist says...
10:41am Fri 1 May 09

"Or if poss, look at the leaked list and the calibre of the people on it."


LOL. Isn't it becoming increasingly obvious by the day that Griffin leaked his own list?

What suckers these BNP members are being taken for.

wotmnisnttkn says...
11:13am Fri 1 May 09

ex-fascist:
Leaking 'The (Schindlers/BNP) List and the effect it had. (Who's the fascist scumbags now then?).

Named individuals have been submitted to the police have been arrested and are being investigated. You would think he would risk the entire party and his career for a tiny blow-back off you losers?

I guess he included a good few hated figures in it so they get sacked. Name the others.

No, its less obvious by the day.

Your namesake from claiming to be an ex-facii and not understanding what one is.. You are a twister:
*Devils disciple*

DarwenRed says...
11:38am Fri 1 May 09

Councillor Michael Johnson is it true all your old comrades from the EFP were with you yesterday? Does not sound like a man who has changed his views?

ex-fascist says...
12:53pm Fri 1 May 09

Dear semi-literate numpty from Wigan,

If you doubt my credentials as an ex-fascist ask me a few questions about the movement during the 1980s that only one who was there would know.

I will freely admit that I have been an idiot, but you are still one.

wotmnisnttkn says...
1:06pm Fri 1 May 09

Like I said before semi-literate numbty head.
I do not care about dead people.

If you thought you were a fascist. Or even if you were a scumbag rabble rousing fifth columnist to make your enemies look bad.. Good for you.

At least your mother loves you.

You guys are all the same. It doesn't matter where you pee. It always slams back in your face. You make statements about the BNP as if people do not change their minds and ways. Try looking into a mirror, if you can. You call yourself an ex-fascist... I'm ex-labour because I cannot stand fascists.

ex-fascist says...
2:09pm Fri 1 May 09

What do you mean by "you guys" my Wigan Nazi friend?

I don't play an active part in any organised anti-fascist group, because most of them have less time for me than they would for you seeing as I still think Labour suck.

But what are you doing wasting your life fighting a dead-end cause, with a leader who rips you off (I knew the man!), pretending not to be a racist while telling the world than anyone born without pure white genes cannot be British? Think about it my friend.

The BNP will never be accepted by the decent majority and rightly so. You enjoy your moments of success by exploiting disengagement and pessimism in an uncertain climate, but whenever it suits the state to do you will be crushed like flies without a second thought.

You party is so lightweight it is laughable. 6-7,000 members nationwide ffs! A good proportion of them, including candidates - and even councillors, so desperate are you - are incapable of taking a **** and whistling a tune at the same time.

If Griffin wins a seat in Europe you won't see his **** for dust. Him and his old mate Roberto (or was it Bob Eccles?) will show you all a clean pair of heels.

There's none so blind as those who will not see. Especially if you're a fascist!

wotmnisnttkn says...
2:45pm Fri 1 May 09

My party? I simply can't abide quislings.

wotmnisnttkn says...
3:02pm Fri 1 May 09

My party? I'd vote ANY party that honestly worked for the voters future well being.

wotmnisnttkn says...
3:06pm Fri 1 May 09

Seems maths signs affect posts.. Try again.

Less than 7k members? 14k were on that 2006 list! The BNP site: Their EU fund so far shows £325k. That would be £50 from 6.5k people. No way!

Who's B. Eccles? If you think its money that motivates them. You are very stupid. All those years previously for what?

I know one cause.. Its mine. I've watched how these Gubmints have changed the face of the UK without a thought or care to the voter. All it has brought us is crime, poor education, more fields into estates, more taxes, more discriminatory laws, riots, politicised police, big brother, corruption, EU, you fascists etc.

I will do anything to mess up this lot in power. They are international socialists (Internazis). Morally and fiscally corrupt to the bone. I simply can't abide quislings.

Someone told me there is a couple of guys at my place of work who are members. I have no idea who they are because theres only a couple who hang on the left. Seems the BNP are already accepted by the "decent majority".That is everyone with a real job and an iq over average.

If you are right, I'll buy you a pint but by that time boozing will be illegal.

ex-fascist says...
4:04pm Fri 1 May 09

Bob Fiore (Eccles) - made his fortune as a slum landlord sending European students into flea-ridden slums and sending in heavies to demand his rent.

Nick Griffin - sold cans of lager to his comrades working f.o.c. on his asbestos-ridden barn with no protection after scratching the sell-by dates off. Robbed his mates too - ask TW and CT.

Mug!

wotmnisnttkn says...
4:53pm Fri 1 May 09

hahaha! Typical farmer. My God!! Rackmanisms off the BNP? No wonder you hate them. What are they doing here? Most Eastern Euro's are better educated, so why are they here? Its a known fact the Lab's are anti-jewish and the BNP are pro-jewish.

I know when a beer can is out of date.... Its corroded..

That it? I can do better than that.

Has your Walrus faced hero paid his £80K libel bill yet?

ex-fascist says...
5:24pm Fri 1 May 09

I assume you must know what you are talking about Mr. Wigan Nazi Man, but to me and I'm sure to other normal people using this forum it is just all jumbled-up, meaningless rubbish.

Rather like BNP ideology really.

I got out, you're still there - that in itself places you at an acute cerebral disadvantage when trying to engage me in dialogue.

In three years from now, probably a lot sooner, there will be no BNP, irrespective of the outcome of the Euro elections.

Let's hope you get out before you waste too much of your life. Who knows, you might even find yourself a girlfriend.

wotmnisnttkn says...
9:04pm Fri 1 May 09

I'm not BNP but theres nobody else to vote for. I came to read about this man originally.. He's no a chancer.

No BNP in three years? Only in your fascist state can this happen. Public support or not. If it happens, then its wrong.

As goes for 'BNP ideology' being jumbled up. Who cares? The other parties have lied through their teeth for decades to us!

Me find a girlfriend? Grammars bad, its hard to concentrate whilst having a back rub writing C code, doing my books and replying to you a fascist.

Have a good night Mr. inter-nazi man. Stop thinking you are normal ffs. You know you are not.

wiki 'Peter Rachman'. Oh, and walrus face is called 'Gerry Gable'. His lies also got the beeb sued for over a £1M back in the 80's!!!

The enemy of my enemy........

ex-fascist says...
1:04am Sat 2 May 09

The enemy of my enemy...LOL

The great irony is that Gerry Gable, an anti-fascist, hates me more than he hates you because I will not support his bloody Labour Party.

But nothing will ever deter me from saying that racism sucks.

Don't support Griffin in this election. He is using you, and you are the one who will suffer the long-term fallout.

Get wise, get involved. Reject Labour AND the BNP!

Swansea Jack says...
7:23pm Sat 2 May 09

I believe Fascism was raised and created by the Italian Dictator Mosolni, do you know what fasist mean? I say to ex-fascist and his alike, I have read all of your comments and anyone like me who read them say that you are talking a load SH_T and CRAP, you and your alike need to educate yourselves and find out what DEMOCRACY means, FFREEDOM of SPEACH, BRITISH HUMAN RIGHTS, I could go on.
I am 66 and retired 1 year ago, I worked for a High Profile Security Unit, before that I was in the British Army. I was proud to serve my Country like my forefathers dating back to the 16th century, I have seen successive governments change our laws and abolish our ancient liberties. They have destroyed our way of life and our communities by allowing foreigners by their 100's of 1000's to come here and undermine our CHRISTIAN VALUES.
Before I retiered, I had to attend a "diversity" course. The lecture was on immigrants. I told them that my ancestors had lived in this country (Wales) for over 2000 years and I needed no lessons from him. I was told to leave. My first introduction to the abolition of FREE SPEECH. I do not need the likes of ex-fascist to teach me to suck eggs. As I am on my soapbox, Fascism means Looking after yourselves, in the BNP words PUTTING BRITAIN FIRST.


ex-fascist says...
8:07pm Sat 2 May 09

So your forefathers date back to the 16th century do they Swansea Jack? Was that when they made the final evolutionary transition?

Smart chaps these Master Race types, descended from the trees just in time to witness the Great Plague.

wotmnisnttkn says...
8:10pm Sat 2 May 09

Good comment Jack.

Sure racism sucks. So does every other "'ism".

I'm all for diversity and culture. Its what international borders were meant to preserve.

Going all for leather to disseminate the British people into a multi-culti hell hole without a reason should put this Gubmint uo for treason. Its why they are so terrified of the BNP who never attack individuals.

I have some nice trees growing in my garden and if Griffin needs a gallows......

Gable is an outright dangerous Commie. If he supports labour then its not labour.

I've just read a piece in an Australian newspaper..

Google: "Thought police muscle up in Britain".

Sickening.

How about a video:
you tube.. watch?v=amJPALevRJE

I will be dead soon but partition will HAVE to happen.

ex-fash... MOVE! Not UK. We could barely feed ourselves in WW2 with 45M ppl here.

wotmnisnttkn says...
8:19pm Sat 2 May 09

The Welsh were the original people of Briton before the Anglo-Saxons took over through murder.

Wigan(tref) was Welsh.

Did you know all black-a-moors were expelled from England in Lizzy 1st's time? The Jews were only let back in 'cos Cromwell needed a huge loan. The stupid power mad git.

Anyone who does not learn from history is sure to repeat the same mistakes. -- oops, been said before. lol

wotmnisnttkn says...
8:24pm Sat 2 May 09

Oh yes, its no good attacking someone personally because their argument was stronger.

People will only think you have lost that one.

er, you did.

ex-fascist says...
10:20am Sun 3 May 09

Dear Mr. Wigan Nazi Boy

Lost the argument with you? I don't think so, do you? You can't even spell or write properly.

I have used all your arguments myself - in debate, in radio, newspaper and television interviews, in articles for fascist publications, in letters to the press and on fascist leaflets.

Today I use a different argument.

Having at different times held both points of view, there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the case for humanity and decency is the stronger one.

wotmnisnttkn says...
2:45pm Mon 4 May 09

Dear real fascist.
You have only pressured with me with personal attacks. They don't win arguments. They prove you have no argument. This is in light of this anti-BNP man who has shown himself profoundly worse than I.

I do not believe your infamy. I see you as a devils disciple. A Quisling. You will not attack me on debating powers because you haven't got any.

Lets face it after pretending to be one, you still have no idea what a nazi and a fascist is after 8 years of it in this country. The "Australian" made a damming piece about this totalitarian state the other day.

Humanity and decency. Yes! For UK born citizens direction for once. Its illegal to interfere with indigenous cultures. Its illegal to ban or make illegal an individuals beliefs. All on (inter)national law.

This country is full. We are 3x oversubscribed with citizens to feed ourselves. With our 60M arable acres we should have a pop. of 15~17M's if we are to be permanently self sufficient in power and food.

There is no future in your world of overpopulation. Our army has been asked and informed and kitted for mass riots this summer. Yet still we allow in low energy economy peoples here to breed like rabbits (yougov) and use a hellova lot more fuel per capita than they do in warmer climates.

Even your "greenies" are full of... Heads in the sand everyone of them. Peel off the green header and you find its all printed in red.

Go to 'yougov' and check the stats. on crimes, unemployment, drug use and importation, prostitution and pimping, and lets look who our terrorists are etc. Compare these figures against the "indigenous" population will you.

Truth rests my case.

ex-fascist says...
8:39am Tue 5 May 09

Truth rests your case ffs. You mean you've gone and got yourself a spellchecker?

Before you rest your case you need to look at the contradiction in your argument. Are you a racist or aren't you?

You refer to "UK born citizens". This suggests it isn't about race but about birthright. So why did your leader recently announce that people with dark skin who are born in the UK cannot be regarded as British? How can anybody say that in one breath and in the next deny that it's about race?

If your nasty party really wants to abandon racism and do it sincerely it has to reject thinking like that.

You can't be non-racist and plead different status for different UK-born people according to the colour of their skin.

Think about it, Brain of (white) Britain.

wotmnisnttkn says...
8:14pm Tue 5 May 09

I happily admit I'm racially aware. Just as you are. We all know a dog born in a stable does not make it a horse. Who you are comes from the heart. Since 2001 our pop. Has 17M extra incomers. Yes, around 17,000,000! For all this the UK's net financial gain is much less than unity. griffin, sadly, is right.

I'm an Nthro.. An Anthropologist without the apologist. Is there a need to keep on apologising for others?

I do not "hate" anyone. Its not in me and I do not blame anyone wanting to live here. I blame the Gubmint that have an ulterior motive for allowing them. Wheres those gallows?

You really should listen to the full interview of griffin on BBC R4 to see what he said in full context. You don't show intelligence when you come up with third hand reporting. Typically, cheap anti-BNP smears up to the election.. it only brings more to vote BNP. The rest are simpletons who believe the lies without finding out for themselves.. like you.

These pc's check my typo's as i go along.. guess what? I can't be assed. Was there a mistake? aww, diddums.

I have a LOT of friends home and abroad from other nations. Guess what? I tell 'em to vote 'your' patriotic party. Same with my Bulgarian girlfriend who in her early days could not suss me.

YOU are all for mass importation of foreigners to these shores because they do slaves jobs. DSS ensures you won't do it. (Time to be corrected).

We cannot feed ourselves so we put the financial thumbscrews on food growing nations to keep them in debt so our food is affordable to us.. Do you want this RACISM?
Of course you do. Its fascism at its best.

Do you want some party that does not recognise borders? Here we go again.. Foreign wars and political interference by this lot who cannot think straight. This is true RACISM, oh, and FASCISM.

Under blair, a million souls went to Allah. Yet these people still vote labour, bless them, lol. They did back Hitler after all.

Harman continually comes up with laws that do NOT assure the best 'man' for the job if you contract to the Gubmint in some form. Thats RACISM. She does this without reading out in parliament.. So its FASCISM.

In fact this lot come up with grants and privileges that separate one person from another. Thats RACISM!

Why should 3rd world incomers be able to duck out of fleet law? Bl**dy racism against us again.

Due to my work, the USA ensured I am an "ITAR signatory". This is pure racism that our Gubmint cannot back out or renege on. Sensible as it is due to its reasons. Its not my problem.

Get your own house in order before you piffle over tiny teeny little points that you blow out of all proportion in an attempt to make a tiny point your winning argument. I'm fully comfortable in my skin. Its a pity self haters are not.

You never did follow up those links I sent, did you?

Its a sad man who thinks others are more stupid than himself.. Now stop the double-think. You know it makes sense.

ex-fascist says...
12:34am Wed 6 May 09

No teeny points blown out of all proportion friend. Just simple fact - the BNP claims:

1. Not to be a racist party, and

2. That any person born in the UK who happens to have a black grandparent or great-grandparent cannot be considered British.

Square that one!

You don't seem a bad lad. I have to laugh when you suggest I should be introduced to Griffin - I knew him well, as well as Jackie, Jean and Edgar. They were always very kind to me fwiw.

But you ideas are a hotchpotch of irrational fears and misinformation. Seventeen million population increase since 2001 ffs!

Sadly,I believe the BNP will win seats in the Euros next month. But like I said before, don't espect to see Griffin's arse for dust.

wotmnisnttkn says...
7:26pm Wed 6 May 09

1. When?
2. and the problem is?? The stakes are now too high for piffle. Sorry.

Square MY questions, lol. Nobody is a bad lad until they get stupid.

I'm happy to saddle myself with this old peoples party. (Alexa.com)

I've only heard of griffin.

17M ppl has nowt to do wi' BNP or census. Numbers. Its extrapolated from commercial figures.

My "irrational fear"s come from yougov facts. Whats been imposed on us (illegally), is beyond the pale.

If I became an EU reprehensible. You wouldn't see my **** for dust too. All the others have let us down and the rest do not deserve that chance.

Let the games begin....

ex-fascist says...
1:14am Sun 10 May 09

Let's not be calling me stupid. Not while you're sending love messages to my alter ego on Stormfront and VNN while arguing with me on here - LOL!!

wotmnisnttkn says...
12:24am Fri 22 May 09

Thanks for the info about VNN darling. I already heard about Stormfront from a comment over Simon Darbys radio show on playtalkradio, Mondays 7pm..

I don't have a login with those sites but they make good reading.

I'm still waiting for your full rebuttal on reality.


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