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Last orders for 60 East Lancashire pubs as trade plunges into crisis

10:38pm Monday 26th May 2008

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LAST orders have been called on at least 60 East Lancashire pubs as the industry battles its biggest ever crisis.

A Lancashire Telegraph investigation uncovered the staggering number of closed pubs.

And experts fear the figure is the tip of the iceberg and that many more are facing their final closing time.

Some of the 60 closed pubs are boarded up, others derelict and a number have now been turned into new developments such as restaurants or apartments.

Industry bosses said that new smoking legislation, combined with the current economic difficulties and a gradual change of drinking culture had hit pubs hard.

Cheap alcohol in supermarkets was also cited as a major factor as was the level of rent charged by pub companies to landlords.

On our survey, we counted nine closed in Blackburn, 19 in Burnley, seven in Darwen, 13 in Hyndburn, six in Pendle, two in the Ribble Valley and four in Rossendale.

The East Lancashire picture is replicated nationally.

According to the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA), 57 pubs are closed across the country each month.

Geoff Sutcliffe from the East Lancs Licensed Victuallers' Association said that it was an "extremely difficult" time.

Mr Sutcliffe, the landlord of the Rising Sun, Whalley New Road, Brownhill, said: "So many pubs have closed down and in the last year and the problem has got worse.

"It is a very difficult time at the moment and there are a combination of reasons for that.

"The smoking ban has had a massive impact but the issue has been exacerbated by rising costs and low prices at supermarkets.

"Economic problems are also hitting the pub trade hard, people just don't seem to have as much spending money anymore.

"There is also a cultural change and people's habits are changing.

"There was a time when a father would take his son to become a member of the local workingmen's club but that just doesn't happen anymore."

CAMRA said that the closures were a "disaster" for East Lancashire because the pub trade was so well associated with the area.

It is campaigning for a one pence cut in the tax on beer to help pubs survive.

Mike Benner, CAMRA's chief executive, said: "Britain's pubs provide an essential amenity for communities and a place for people to enjoy alcohol sociably in a regulated environment, yet the Government's high tax policies coupled with increasing costs are crippling them.

"We need to see action immediately to stop the number of pub closures spiralling out of control making it impossible for many people to benefit from the amenity of a local pub.

"A 'rescue plan' for community pubs is required."

Ribble Valley MP Nigel Evans, vice chair of the all-party parliamentary beer group, said pubs played a vital role in building community spirit and that the true extent of the struggles was "incredibly worrying".

He said: "The pub is usually the heart of an area and it is very sad that so many of them are closing.

"Times are very tough for landlords and landladies at the moment and super-markets are playing a big part in that.

"In many supermarkets it costs less to buy alcohol than it does to buy water.

"Pub closures are a real problem and more support is needed from government. Taxes on drinks sold in pubs are far too high."

Coun Frank Ashworth, whose Rosehill and Burnley Wood ward covers Oxford Road, which has seen a number of closures, said: "I have noticed over a period of time that a lot of smaller pubs are shutting because they are just not viable.

"If they start making a profit, the pub companies put the rents up.

"People have also got less money at the moment and I suppose that pubs are one of the first things hit."

Paul Young, landlord of the Inn on the Wharf, Manchester Road, Burnley, explained what he thought pubs needed to do to 'thrive' like his: "The smoking ban has shifted the emphasis in pubs from drinking to food and we are getting a lot more coming in now because we do food, although our drink trade is doing well too.

"But the problem is the pub companies are putting up rents and prices and landlords are tied to them."

John Wilson, manager of the Thorn in Church, said: "It's a shame all these pubs are closing but it is definitely not down to the smoking ban.

"I think the price of beer and possibly the lack of daytime drinking are causes for concern."

Phil Miller, the owner of the Stanley Street Working Men's Club, Accrington, said: "The smoking ban and general price increases are killing the pub trade.

"There is no light at the end of the tunnel for the trade, I am sure of that.

£I bought this club five years ago and at the time I had three full-time staff and eight part-time staff.

"Now I have had to let all the full-time workers go, cut my opening times by five hours and do 18 and 19-hour shifts myself just to make ends meet."

The Ribble Valley appears to have avoided the problems seen in other areas.

Jayne Greenwood, landlady of the Higher Buck Inn, The Square, Waddington, said she believed this was due to the Ribble Valley's tourist appeal.

She said: "Very few if any pubs have closed in the Ribble Valley compared to areas such as Blackburn.

"It's a combination of food and beer that has kept the pubs in the Ribble Valley open.

"In addition to this we have a lot of visitors/tourists who come to the Ribble Valley."


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kev via oceanside, o,side,ca says...
11:26pm Mon 26 May 08

if the brewerys can produce and sell beer as cheap as they do to supermarkets why not in barrel bulk to the pubs.i live in california now but go back to my native blackburn every year,i love the pub culture,it is a unique environment,unlike the stale,sanitized drinking establishments this side of the pond.the gov,t and the no smoking ban have also had a drastic effect on the pub populace,time is now for a drastic u turn in order to maintain the very foundation upon wich working class people and communities thrive.many americans i speak to who have visited england refer to the positive experiences drinking,repeal the smoking ban and encourage the breweries to be more financially supportive to the publicans and the PUBlic

andy, lancs says...
12:35am Tue 27 May 08

Hi Kev, just wondering what your name is?

justice, court 1 says...
7:19am Tue 27 May 08

No doubt the government will have an enquiry to find out why pubs are closing,costing the tax payer millions.

ray wilkes, BIRMINGHAM says...
7:30am Tue 27 May 08

I LEFT MY PUB BECAUSE OF ILL HEALTH 18 MONTHS AGO, I HAD A STROKE. PUNCH WERE CHARGING ME £27-50 FOR BUDWISIER,AND BECKS, HOLSTEN, NOT TO MENTION BARRELS, WERE CHARGED OF LAGER WERE £170 +VAT, A CASH AND CARRY WHOLESALER JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM WAS SELLING THE SAME PRODUCT, DELIVERED ON THE SAME WAGON BY CARLSBERG FOR £90. MY RENT WAS£600 A WEEK FOR A SMALL PUB WITH NO CAR PARK AND SUROUNDED BY DOUBLE YELLOW LINES. IS IT NO WONDER I HAD A STROKE. THE WORST THING THAT HEPPENED WAS THE GOVERNMENT STOPPING THE BREWERIES OWNING THE PUBS IN THE 1990s,THAT'S WHEN IT ALL WENT PEAR SHAPED.

Dave, Darwen says...
8:17am Tue 27 May 08

East Lancs has a growing Muslim population which does not drink alcohol. Most pubs provide nothing to attract Muslims (maybe its not really possible). Same number of pubs, fewer customers, so some pubs have to close.

peter, outside derelict local says...
8:29am Tue 27 May 08

how about the government cut the tax on the barrel and the brewers pass this on to the pubs who in turn pass on to the customer and thus bring trade back. at the same time cover losses made by this by hiking up the price of supermarket beer to riduculous amounts ie instead of 2 crates for £16 how about 2 for £50. I think it would also stop this binge drink/yob/violence culture we live in as most of them goto local supermarket before a night out for there £8 bottle of vodka and crates of stella

KB, North West says...
10:47am Tue 27 May 08

I completely agree with Kev, the smoking ban has killed the pub trade... Peter would you not agreed that rather than standing outside shivering whilst having a cigerette seems ludicrous when you can invite friends round and have a few drinks at home? up until the smoking ban i would have happily gone to the pub rather than drink at home but at the risk of becoming ill when you are stood in the wind and the rain its a no brainer unless the weather is nice and living in the UK a nice day is a rarity!

Me, Out of Blackburn with Darwen says...
11:51am Tue 27 May 08

KB says ..."the risk of becoming ill when you are stood in the wind and the rain its a no brainer" - d'oh isn't smoking the no brainer - think about it KB

Andy W, The north says...
12:37pm Tue 27 May 08

Certainly companies like Punch & Enterprise are really adding to the situation by killing landlords with price increases. But pubs now need to move with changing times to bring the punters in - good food, family friendly & a wider choice of drinks and entertainment are a start.
The government needs to help by introducing legislation to stop the damaging dominance of groups like Punch & Enterprize.
We also need to help ourselves too by getting behind groups like CAMRA & runmypub.com who are trying reverse this worrying situation.

jon lowe, rossendale says...
5:46pm Tue 27 May 08

theres more pubs to add to the list in rossendale.
moulders waterfoot
red lion shawforth
market hotel bacup
white horse edge side
masons waterfoot(soon to re open)
railway stacsteads
whitworth arms whitworth

Pint-sized Pilgrim, says...
5:56pm Tue 27 May 08

Dave wrote:
East Lancs has a growing Muslim population which does not drink alcohol. Most pubs provide nothing to attract Muslims (maybe its not really possible). Same number of pubs, fewer customers, so some pubs have to close.
Its bang out of order that our places of worship are closing down at a rapid pace!

RK, says...
6:01pm Tue 27 May 08

The muslim population of Blackburn doesn't drink then Dave? Have a look in the Telegraph and most nights they've stories about them being drunk. How about a prayer room for them? Oh, and get rid of the druggies as well and kids in the pubs after 7pm, apart from the pub-restaurants.

andy, UK says...
7:11pm Tue 27 May 08

Supermarket beer has always been cheap, and the economic climate has been far worse than currently. Pub closures have increased 15 fold since July 1st it is a simple as that.Lobby your MP for an amendment. Air management systemsget rid of tobacco smoke. The y make the air cleaner than outside.Bring back choice!

sterob, burnley says...
8:09pm Tue 27 May 08

how come in Burnley we can have some pubs for instance Weatherspoon sell cheap beers or Walkabout the Aussie bar or for that instance working mens clubs,we also have a Sam Smiths pub the Tim Bobbin who have always sold its beers at a low price

Kim Keogh, belthorn says...
8:30pm Tue 27 May 08

I feel I must comment as a non-smoker about the closure of many of our local public houses. It's been a difficult business to be in over the years what with cheap alcohol at the local supermarket, a multi racial society and then the final nail in the coffin the smoking ban!! Please can someone tell me when this country became a dictatorship and not a democracy? Smoking and non-smoking pubs/hotels etc would surely have found their own customers. I believe hoteliers and licensees should have been given a choice as to what their establishment should be. To be fined like the poor hotelier in Blackpool for wanting 'his' hotel guests to be allowed to smoke in 'his' property astounded me. Obviously, I as a non-smoker, would not choose to stay there but I have many friends and family who may have done. We always take things to extreme in this country....All or nothing!! Can someone get a grip soon.....Margo for PM...she's certainly better than Gordon Brown!!

kev via oceanside, o,side,ca says...
8:42pm Tue 27 May 08

andy wrote:
Hi Kev, just wondering what your name is?
kev parkinson,from daisyfild blackburn.kparkinson
@gmail.com.{1760}754
-1336.

mandyv, cambs says...
9:27pm Tue 27 May 08

CAMRA said that the closures were a "disaster" for East Lancashire because the pub trade was so well associated with the area.

"It is campaigning for a one pence cut in the tax on beer to help pubs survive". It is a Shame they did not campaign for ventilation. Do they think people are happy to freeze, through the winter months for 1p? if it was 20p cheaper many will still stay in the warmth of their homes with supermarket booze. Which, like andy says has always been cheaper.
freedom2choose.info for tolerant non-smokers and smoking alike,


Bert, rossendale says...
9:49pm Tue 27 May 08

jon lowe wrote:
theres more pubs to add to the list in rossendale. moulders waterfoot red lion shawforth market hotel bacup white horse edge side masons waterfoot(soon to re open) railway stacsteads whitworth arms whitworth
Add
the Royal,Waterfoot
the Duke of Buccleugh, Waterfoot,
The Sun (Dale), Rawtenstall
Its the end of an era chaps.

jon lowe, rose"n"b owl says...
10:08pm Tue 27 May 08

Bert the dukes back open the rest were in e paper read the above what was in the paper

escaped, Spain says...
11:31pm Tue 27 May 08

Good post Kim Keogh in Belthorn. I for one agree with all you say.

PS Andy Pandy would make a better PM than that thief brown.

M, Blackburn says...
12:49am Wed 28 May 08

Has "open all hours" played a part in the demise of pub life?
Low wages and high prices pretty much sum it up for me.

JohnnyB, Channel Isles says...
3:08am Wed 28 May 08

Going to a Pub is a social activity, a 'ritual'. You go out regular once or twice a week to catch up. No matter what the supermarket price is for beer.
But the Govt smoking ban threw a spanner in the works. Smokers don't like to be sent outside like 2nd class citizens, the Pubs didn't put up a fight and the Govt produced a fraudulent report saying non-smokers would "fill the pubs" and there'd be no damage done.
When 1 in 5 of adults are smokers and they stay at home and 1 or 2 of their non-smoking buddies do too is it any surprise there's been a coincidental 25-30% drop in Pub trade?
Yes the Brewers are screwing the Pubs.
But the Govt is screwing everybody.
Unless the Pubs get together and fight the smoking ban your biz will always be 25-30% smaller (that's got ot be worth fighting for?).
1 in 5 adults will support you against this anti-democratic ban that also perpetrates a fraud about smoking being a health risk. It isn't.
If you don't stand and figth your days are numbered as alcahol itself is now under attack (see NHS TV campaign) from the same scandalous health fraud they propogated with smoking. Fight or Flee.

peter, bburn says...
8:53am Wed 28 May 08

KB wrote:
I completely agree with Kev, the smoking ban has killed the pub trade... Peter would you not agreed that rather than standing outside shivering whilst having a cigerette seems ludicrous when you can invite friends round and have a few drinks at home? up until the smoking ban i would have happily gone to the pub rather than drink at home but at the risk of becoming ill when you are stood in the wind and the rain its a no brainer unless the weather is nice and living in the UK a nice day is a rarity!
i totally agree with you KB about not standing out in all weather as a smoker i was appalled when they brought this law in. What makes it worse is pubs without a smoking shelter have all the smokers huddled in the entrance to the establishment and when you walk in you probably inhale more smoke than what you did when it was regulated with fans etc

Judith, Blackburn says...
12:35pm Wed 28 May 08

My Grandma, May Westhead had the Bank Hotel in Hope St,Blackburn, from the early 50's till 1970 when she retired,one of my sisters was born there, it was a really busy pub, they had an excellent darts team who won loads of trophies, my Grandma kept the place spotless and she was well liked by every one. There was a "best room" were old customers would go into when they visited, and in winter she always kept a coal fire burning, as children we would often hide under the seats waiting for opening time, till our Grandad Harry would find us.Customers then were mostly local,and there was some real characters. As a landlady she often dealt with domestic disputes as well, people seemed to trust her, and she also lent money to a few, sometimes never getting it back, she retired aged about 70, my Grandad having died 20 years previously, she had managed the pub on her own with the help of a couple of staff. Of course Blackburn in those days was a different place, as many people will remember, the closure of all these pubs will fetch back many memories,this is now more of a loss for Blackburn.

Candy, Sweet Shop says...
1:52pm Wed 28 May 08

kev via oceanside wrote:
andy wrote: Hi Kev, just wondering what your name is?
kev parkinson,from daisyfild blackburn.kparkinson @gmail.com.{1760}754 -1336.
Is that Kev Parkinson aka shaggy??

derek haworth, blackburn says...
3:46pm Wed 28 May 08

have people not realized yet even the non drinkers are susadizing supermarket cheap beer eveything has gone up apart from beer in supermarkets as for pubs providig more choice how many different drinks are available now compared with 10 years ago

william woodford, Livesey says...
4:14pm Wed 28 May 08

I for one have used pubs MORE since the smoking ban and I'm sure many other ave done the same.
What the LET doesnt tell us is how many new licenses have been granted in the same time.
thers lots more of the trendy posey bars opening in towncentres which must have asum effect

skeptic, lancs says...
6:55pm Wed 28 May 08

Kim Keogh wrote:
I feel I must comment as a non-smoker about the closure of many of our local public houses. It's been a difficult business to be in over the years what with cheap alcohol at the local supermarket, a multi racial society and then the final nail in the coffin the smoking ban!! Please can someone tell me when this country became a dictatorship and not a democracy? Smoking and non-smoking pubs/hotels etc would surely have found their own customers. I believe hoteliers and licensees should have been given a choice as to what their establishment should be. To be fined like the poor hotelier in Blackpool for wanting 'his' hotel guests to be allowed to smoke in 'his' property astounded me. Obviously, I as a non-smoker, would not choose to stay there but I have many friends and family who may have done. We always take things to extreme in this country....All or nothing!! Can someone get a grip soon.....Margo for PM...she's certainly better than Gordon Brown!!
I'm an ex smoker and much happier healthier and wealthier for it but it was MY choice and I agree, we all better get a grip ... and soon.
Each Landlord and Customers of each Pub should have held a Referendum, that would have been the Democratic choice. But what was once a Democracy and what is now an Oligarchy is becoming a Dictatorship. We seem to have many choices but people like Murdoch and companys like Opec and Tescos and Walmarts etc govern this country. And the pharmecuticals business is booming and I would be willing to wager that if they found a profitable drug that could control lung cancer they would be promoting smoking again as macho or sophisticated or just cool or whatever sold the idea to make a profit at whatever price.

kev via oceanside, says...
8:40pm Wed 28 May 08

Candy wrote:
kev via oceanside wrote:
andy wrote: Hi Kev, just wondering what your name is?
kev parkinson,from daisyfild blackburn.kparkinson @gmail.com.{1760}754 -1336.
Is that Kev Parkinson aka shaggy??
is that cath roberts from darwen ha ha call us or mail us

sanz, B,Burn says...
12:09am Thu 29 May 08

What the hell's this blog coming to, a bloody contact site LOL? remember me?

pub regular, rossendale says...
8:09am Thu 29 May 08

Don't blame the smoking ban, me and many of my non smoking friends have never been out to pubs as much since the smoking ban, it's bliss not to have to smell and taste obnoxious cigarette smoke and go home not smelling like a disgusting ashtray. Only 1 in 5 adults are smokers so its only right majority rule, but I do think there should be some exceptions if most of the regular customers in certain pubs do smoke.

chas, suffolk says...
2:58pm Thu 29 May 08

Camra said 'It is campaigning for a one pence cut in the tax on beer to help pubs survive'.
The pubs were closing even before they put an extra tax of FOUR pence on a pint, so what good would 1p make?
Exemptions on the smoking ban is the only answer.

Burnley Taxpayer, Burnley says...
1:38pm Mon 2 Jun 08

So some pubs have closed? Don't see why this is a problem. There are plenty of pubs for those who want to use them. As for blaming the smoking ban - addicts always blame everyone else but themselves.

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