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Dogs shot dead after killing horse in Haslingden
3:02pm Sunday 27th April 2008
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TWO rottweilers that are believed to have mauled a horse to death were shot by police officers.
Police received a call at around 1.40am this morning to say that two rottweiler dogs were attacking a horse in a field off Clough End Road, Haslingden.
When officers arrived at the scene they found the horse lying dead in the field after what appeared to have been a savage attack by the two dogs.
Attempts were made to locate the owner of the horse and the dogs, but when they could not be found the decision was taken to shoot the dogs.
A police spokesman said: "When we arrived there we found that the horse had been killed.
"It was deemed that the two dogs posed a significant threat to public safety and both were shot and killed by armed officers.
"We are still trying to trace the owner of the horse and the dogs and would appeal to them to get in touch."
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mel, baxeden says...
5:07pm Sun 27 Apr 08
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
mc, blackburn says...
5:19pm Sun 27 Apr 08
only a horse these types of dogs usually kill children..the breed should go the way of pitbulls
Rick O Shea, Lancashire says...
6:27pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Good effort by the police...they are keeping up their figures with blowing dogs heads off and so deservidly were the dogs killed...what if they had attack a child or an adult..no doubt the usual dog loving do gooders will defend the rotweillers by pray go back into your den..the dogs were dingles and probably had 6 paws which made them more dangerous...more fool the owner and well done to the armed police officers being forced into that position to fill the beastly muscular hounds with good quality lead...sends a warning to ALL nasty dogs (and owmers) 'keep your dogs at bay or the police will have a good day'..well done boys for Uzzying them up
MIKEOXLONG, says...
6:30pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Well here we are again with another story of how this breed of dog can go horribly wrong. I agree it was a shame for the horse and the owner but it could have been a child. The dog lovers will no doubt be out in force defending Rottweilers giving it the usual, 'WELL ITS THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED BY THE OWNERS BLAH BLAH BLAH', but they have to acknowledge that they are a breed of animal that no matter how playful and placid they appear to be on the surface always have the potential to turn like this.
Danny Hally, Manchester says...
7:23pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I wish I was reading about two dead dogs after the Horse kicked their heads off for attempting to attack, really I do. The sad thing is, the Horse probably, as is their nature, may have approached the dogs as they ran into the field to befriend them, only for those overgrown rats to attack him. I hope the owner gets to pay for this and dog owners to hang their heads in shame. Poor horse must have suffered terribly.
Offended..., Lancs says...
9:08pm Sun 27 Apr 08
They're animals, you morons. "Burn in the eternal fires of hell"??? Get a grip, you utter imbecile.
Dogs are dogs are dogs... some breeds are more likely to turn nasty than others - much like any other animal. When they do turn nasty, it's not because they are 'evil', it's because they are... dogs.
It's awful what happened to this horse, as an animal lover it upsets me to think what it went through. Putting these dogs down was the right thing to do, because their savage animal instincts had gotten the better of their sociable character, and they did a terrible thing. By putting them down, other horses / children / whatever have probably been saved a mauling.
Burn in the fires of hell, though... honestly. No doubt you'd be having all predatory carnivores condemned to hell, because let's be honest - lions, cheetahs, dogs, foxes, wolves, pumas, etc etc etc are all designed to brutally kill other living things - it's how they live, naturally. Are they all evil devilspawn, too?
Dogs are dogs are dogs... some breeds are more likely to turn nasty than others - much like any other animal. When they do turn nasty, it's not because they are 'evil', it's because they are... dogs.
It's awful what happened to this horse, as an animal lover it upsets me to think what it went through. Putting these dogs down was the right thing to do, because their savage animal instincts had gotten the better of their sociable character, and they did a terrible thing. By putting them down, other horses / children / whatever have probably been saved a mauling.
Burn in the fires of hell, though... honestly. No doubt you'd be having all predatory carnivores condemned to hell, because let's be honest - lions, cheetahs, dogs, foxes, wolves, pumas, etc etc etc are all designed to brutally kill other living things - it's how they live, naturally. Are they all evil devilspawn, too?
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
9:12pm Sun 27 Apr 08
mel wrote:Poor horse. My thoughts go out to the owner.
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
The Police did right to shoot these dogs. All rotweilers should be shot. They are anti-social malicious dogs that have no place in society. They are repeatedly involved in mauling incidents, like pitbulls, and they need to be banned.
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Oh I forgot, they make you look hard, innit?
mel, baxeden says...
10:11pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Merlin, The Voice of Reason wrote:Merlin, The Voice of Reason i think you missed something in my post.I did say i felt sorry for the horses owners??
mel wrote:Poor horse. My thoughts go out to the owner.
My thoughts go to the horses owner,I hope the two rotties where chipped and their owner can be located and the police can bring charges against them,I adore rottweilers and have friends who own them,in the right hands and training a rottweiler makes a fabulous pet.this is going to have a big effect on the breed and the reputable breeders who put time and money into breeding good stock
The Police did right to shoot these dogs. All rotweilers should be shot. They are anti-social malicious dogs that have no place in society. They are repeatedly involved in mauling incidents, like pitbulls, and they need to be banned.
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Oh I forgot, they make you look hard, innit?
As for why would any sane animal lover want to own one.i will tell you why,in the right hands rotties do make wonderful pets.I dont own one so it doesnt make me look hard.Take trip to crufts or any dog show and see all these so called dogs who should be put on the ddr.most are bred for temperament,but unfortunatley its the idiots who buy one and think they can make a few quid in breeding them not knowing their lines etc.I do own a medium breed dog who if turned nasty could prove fatal,but so could any dog.
and no my dog doesnt make me hard innit
honey, n.ireland says...
10:43pm Sun 27 Apr 08
i also feel sorri for the horse and owners but i did own a rescue rotti and she was a gem any dog can be dangerous in the wrong hands please dont brand every rotti as a dangerous dog it has alot to do with the owners its like if it was kids had done it the first thing people would say its the parents fault no difference
Lori Lynn, United States says...
11:46pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Wow some of the comments here are quite brutal. You paint with a very wide stroke and sound ignorant when you condemn the entire breed. Where do you draw the line and decide which breeds are worthy to live and others aren't? this was a trajedy but I don't think you should react with hysteria and say things like all rottweilers should be shot. Be careful because it is a slipperly slope to get on if you are a pet lover in any way.
BP, says...
1:39am Mon 28 Apr 08
Why, oh why, would any sane dog-lover want to own one of these beasts?
Search above for rottweiler and Lennox. You should find a story about a fire and a teen boy.
I'm sure Carl MacMahon feels perfectly sane for owning one of these beasts. Thanks to Lennox, he's alive to feel period. ;)
Search above for rottweiler and Lennox. You should find a story about a fire and a teen boy.
I'm sure Carl MacMahon feels perfectly sane for owning one of these beasts. Thanks to Lennox, he's alive to feel period. ;)
Leon, Kingston says...
8:13am Mon 28 Apr 08
My neighbourg is a nasty guy, twice the armed police came to arrest him. He's very dangerous and brutal. We're from the same village, does it mean I'm dangerous too? Please don't gun me down! Thanks.
k bishop, worcs says...
8:39am Mon 28 Apr 08
I am a horse and dog owner, i own a rottie, a lab and a jack russell, but i have experienced a labrador with just as much ferocity as theese dogs appear to have had. People need to realise any dog can turn in the wrong hands and can be capable of just as much damage. Rotties are herding dogs but in the wrong hands they like any dog can be dangerous. It is the owners not the dogs that people should be angry at.
HC, Northants says...
8:45am Mon 28 Apr 08
It is not helpful or sensible to blame the dogs. The owners of the dogs are responsible not the animals.
Dan, M16 says...
9:08am Mon 28 Apr 08
Rotty owners are as bad as Paris Hilton. They carry around these dogs like ego boosts and fashion accessories and it's a disgrace. Look at what these evil things do to children and even horses! If you know someone who owns a rotty, shame them into getting rid of it, and do it today.
Do it for every kid hurt, and do it for this poor horse, a much finer example of an animal than these devil spawns.
Do it for every kid hurt, and do it for this poor horse, a much finer example of an animal than these devil spawns.
John F, Accrington says...
9:13am Mon 28 Apr 08
Right on Dan! I've already told my brother he ain't welcome at my wedding next month until he gets shut of his rotty. Exactly right about Paris Hilton and the dog being an accessory. These people want to be like Ross Kemp and use these Rottys as an ego extension. Losers.
Sally, London says...
9:27am Mon 28 Apr 08
Poor Horsey!!! I hate dogs.
JE, n. Yorks says...
9:56am Mon 28 Apr 08
Here we go again, let's blame all rotties for the actions of one or two, any dog has the potential to cause harm, and we should all be aware of this. Yes this is terrible what as happened to the horse, but lets all try and be sensible about the condemning of all this entire breed. YES I AM one of these owners and NO my rotti is not a ego extension, he is my loving companion, that my life would be so less worth while with out, THANK YOU!
Caitrus, Blackburn says...
10:16am Mon 28 Apr 08
Excuse me, i cannot believe what i am reading.
Yes those dogs should have been put down for what they did, they could not be trusted. and Yes i feel sick to my stomach for the pony however YOU CANNOT JUST SAY THAT THIS BREED IS DANGEROUS CAUSE IT'S BORN INTO THEM.
Rotties are actually very good police dogs and given the RIGHT TRAINING AND UPBRINGING can be wonderful police, working and family dogs.
Anyone who ownes a dog of this size and strength should have training certificates and take responsibility for them and under no circumstances leave ANY DOG with chidlren as NO DOG is safe to be left with children. This is a very unfortunate incident and the owners of these dogs will need to be investigated as to why the dogs have done this.
There could even be a medical reason for this - PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THESE DOGS ARE ALL BORN EVIL there could be many factors as to why they have done this - as wrong as it is.
People who dismiss any reason for this behavior are as bad as those who have these dogs and bring them up badly because if all dogs were takesn to training classed from being 8 weeks old and socialised properly these attacks would be very few and far between.
The media are playing up to this - why are they always putting photos of rotties with their teeth out - THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THIS AND THE ONES THAT ARE HAVE BEEN BROUGH UP BADLY OR HAVE SOME MEDICAL PROBLEM.
Yes those dogs should have been put down for what they did, they could not be trusted. and Yes i feel sick to my stomach for the pony however YOU CANNOT JUST SAY THAT THIS BREED IS DANGEROUS CAUSE IT'S BORN INTO THEM.
Rotties are actually very good police dogs and given the RIGHT TRAINING AND UPBRINGING can be wonderful police, working and family dogs.
Anyone who ownes a dog of this size and strength should have training certificates and take responsibility for them and under no circumstances leave ANY DOG with chidlren as NO DOG is safe to be left with children. This is a very unfortunate incident and the owners of these dogs will need to be investigated as to why the dogs have done this.
There could even be a medical reason for this - PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THESE DOGS ARE ALL BORN EVIL there could be many factors as to why they have done this - as wrong as it is.
People who dismiss any reason for this behavior are as bad as those who have these dogs and bring them up badly because if all dogs were takesn to training classed from being 8 weeks old and socialised properly these attacks would be very few and far between.
The media are playing up to this - why are they always putting photos of rotties with their teeth out - THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THIS AND THE ONES THAT ARE HAVE BEEN BROUGH UP BADLY OR HAVE SOME MEDICAL PROBLEM.
Responsiblehorseowne
r, Accrington says...
10:17am Mon 28 Apr 08
This incident has really upset me. I own two horses (no dogs) and a few months ago, two dogs (I think they were Staffies) ran off the moor (obviously not under the control of their owner)onto my land and into my house! As a knee-jerk reaction, I chased them out with a brush and back to the moor, past the field where my horses were grazing. Couldn't find the owner but if I had, I would've wrapped the brush round his neck. A warning to the owners who let their dogs loose to maul children/horses/cats - make sure they're not on my land or I'ss shoot them (the dogs, that is!)
John, Haslingden says...
10:46am Mon 28 Apr 08
I heard the dogs attaking the pony and then the shootings some time later.
The dead dogs could be seen the next mornign in the field. They where massive. There was athird dog that was rounded up later, dont know if that was put down too. My view glad they where shot hope they kill the third and prosecute the owners.
The dead dogs could be seen the next mornign in the field. They where massive. There was athird dog that was rounded up later, dont know if that was put down too. My view glad they where shot hope they kill the third and prosecute the owners.
N, Blackburn says...
10:52am Mon 28 Apr 08
Why do all these people keep saying "it could have been a child" never mind about the "could have beens". At the end of the day this poor defenceless horse was set upon by these 2 beasts and must have suffered unimaginable pain. It knocked me sick yesterday when i heard this and being an animal lover it really upset me. I do feel sorry for the horses owner, if its not that the dogs were owned by the same person but also just spare a thought for the horse. Rip little fella.
NICOLA WHITE, BOLTON says...
11:05am Mon 28 Apr 08
AS A HORSE OWNER MYSELF I CANT IMAGINE HOW AWFULL THIS IS BUT IT ISNT THE DOGS FAULT DOGS ONLY ACT THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED/UNTRAINED TO ACT THE OWNERS OF THE 2 DOGS SHOULD BE SHOT AND THE DOGS ARE BETTER OFF BEING SHOT AS MOST DOGS DONT WANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE ALL THERE LIVES BUT WHEN THEY ARENT TOLD ANY DIFFERENT THEY TURN NASTY AND ITS JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY ARE BIG DOGS.THE OWNERS SHOULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR 3 LIVES TAKEN AND NOT JUST A SLAP ON THE WRISTS OR A BANN OF KEEPING ANIMALS BECAUSE THIS IS NEVER CHECKED UP ON.SHOT THEM!!!
Mikey, Flitchester says...
11:29am Mon 28 Apr 08
I agree with Dan that they are ego extensions, in the same style of Paris Hilton. Most dog owners use them cause they are single and use to try and date other dog owners, some use them as surrogate children. Most are just like a posh sports car type ego boost. "look at me, I have a danagerous dog. I'm so cool and edgy". I also find it amazing that dog owners on here are defending this as "well all dogs are dangerous". If that's the case, they all need to go. RIP Horse.
christine, gt harwood says...
11:41am Mon 28 Apr 08
i am glad the dogs were shot and have to say if they had done that to my beloved horse i would have gladly done it myself.it is yet another example of people having dogs who are badly trained and out of control.i can not count the number of times dogs have come snapping at and chasing my horse as i have been out riding there are some very bad owners out there who need to get a grip and take some responsibility.
Ash, Haslingden says...
11:57am Mon 28 Apr 08
WAY!!!!!! UNLUCKY HORSE UNLUCKY DOGS.
Lyn, Halesowen says...
12:42pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Yes...I am going to defend the breed!
I have a wonderful Rotty **** who is unbelieveably loyal and loving.She has been trained to the enth degree and we have been told she is a credit to us and her kind.
She is however an extremely large, powerful animal and in the wrong hands I have no doubt that she could be extremely dangerous, I would hate to see the end of this lovely breed but think that it it now time to ensure that all who wish to own such breeds are vetted and licensed to ensure that they are responsible and competent to do so.
It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.
I have a wonderful Rotty **** who is unbelieveably loyal and loving.She has been trained to the enth degree and we have been told she is a credit to us and her kind.
She is however an extremely large, powerful animal and in the wrong hands I have no doubt that she could be extremely dangerous, I would hate to see the end of this lovely breed but think that it it now time to ensure that all who wish to own such breeds are vetted and licensed to ensure that they are responsible and competent to do so.
It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.
Carl, Burnley says...
1:17pm Mon 28 Apr 08
>It's just a shame that the same kind of "justice" cannot be metered out to the "human" animals that attack defenceless horses.<
Very true.
The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it's not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves.
The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only "loving" to their owners cause that's where the food's coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
Very true.
The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it's not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves.
The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only "loving" to their owners cause that's where the food's coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
caitrus, Blackburn says...
1:54pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Carl wrote:I am a dog owner, i am a responsible dog owner - DO NOT TIE US IN ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH! I too have taken my dog to puppy classes, training classes and he has been very well socialised. My dog is also a big powerful dog and yes in the wrong hands could cause a lot of damage HOWEVER he has been fully trained and being a responsible owner i would never allow him no matter how much he has been trained to be alone with a child or an animal he's never seen before. ity's commen sense the people who own these dogs that have attacked obviously do not give the training, time and attention that dogs need.
>It\'s just a shame that the same kind of \"justice\" cannot be metered out to the \"human\" animals that attack defenceless horses.< Very true. The sad fact is, horses are not defensless. They can cause a human or another animal serious damage if they so wished. The problem is it\'s not in their nature. They are beautiful trusting animals that only tend to protect the herd, not themselves. The same cannot be said about dogs, which are just rumps of pure evil that are only \"loving\" to their owners cause that\'s where the food\'s coming from. Their nature is to kill and the sooner these dog owners wake up the better.
It is important for dogs to be socilaised with animals and smells of all kinds - somwethng i did as a responsible owner.
Do not ruin this lovely breed for those who are ressponsible and look after their pets, just because you have read of recent attacks - at least look into why these attacks have happened rather than being ignorant and just assuming it's the breed!
They aren't born human or english speaking so it's up to the owner to teach them wright from wrong. just as it is with a human baby - everyone's quick to point the finger and say it's not the child fault it's the parents fault - well it's the same with a pet of any kind it's up to the owner to teach them right from wrong and to train them!
You never hear of a dog trainers dog attacking someone do you - that's because they have been given the right training this prooving that these dogs and all dogs for that matter can be trained and very well behaved.
And yes there are people out there who have dogs as weapons BUT MOST OF US HAVE THEM BECAUSE WE LOVE THEM AND BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY GOOD COMPANIONS WITH LOTS OF LOVE TO GIVE! So please do not accuse me and others of wanting a dog because of it's status!
John, haslingden says...
2:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
In responce to Catrus in Blackburn.
You say yourself that in the wrong hands your dog could cause a lot of damage. Therefore no matter how many classes etc that you and your dog attend if say as the attach above your dog escaped out of your control it would be a killer. These dogs are like lions, they are really wild animals that dog owners such as your self pretend they are in control. If your dog decided to it would turn on you in a second. Good luck you poor deluded sole
You say yourself that in the wrong hands your dog could cause a lot of damage. Therefore no matter how many classes etc that you and your dog attend if say as the attach above your dog escaped out of your control it would be a killer. These dogs are like lions, they are really wild animals that dog owners such as your self pretend they are in control. If your dog decided to it would turn on you in a second. Good luck you poor deluded sole
cath, heywood says...
2:13pm Mon 28 Apr 08
when i heard that a pony had been killed in lancashire my stomach turned over . i have 4 ponies living out all year round and i got too their field quickly . my relief was someone elses grief ! THESE DOGS DO NOT HAVE A PLACE IN OUR WORLD TODAY! THEY CAN BE AS HEAVY AS ADULTS BUT NO REASONING WHEN A BRAINSTORM ( A KILLING ONE} HAS TAKEN OVER i am also adog owner too!
John, Haslingden says...
2:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Well said Cath
This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
tereaza, sheffield says...
2:33pm Mon 28 Apr 08
please stop blameing the dogs im not a lover of rotties but i know there are good well natured rotties out there
i used to own german shepards not fo an ego bost but becourse i just love that breed of dog and yes you can get shepards that are tempremental but thats why you should do your homework before geting any dog becourse it dose come through the parents not every dog that people have is to look big they just love the breed
BUT I HAVE SEEN AS I CALL THEM PEOPLE WHO DO THINK THEY ARE CLEVER AND HARD JUST BECOURSE THEY HAVE A PITBULL,ROTTIE,
SHEPPARD,STAFFIE, ETC
I HAD A GUIDEDOG SHE WAS A GREAT GUIDE FOR ME AND THEN I HAD SOME DRUGIES WHO THOGHT IT WOLD BE FUN TO SET THE DOG (PITBULL) ON HER WHILE SHE WAS WORKING (SICK PEOPLE) AND FOR
PEOPLE WITH EGO BOOST
THATS THEM JUST THINK OF THE PERSON THATS LOST THAIR LITTLE FREAIND HOW HARD IS THAT GOING TO BE!!
IJUST WISH THAT WE HAD MORE RESPONSIBLE
DOG OWNERS BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
i used to own german shepards not fo an ego bost but becourse i just love that breed of dog and yes you can get shepards that are tempremental but thats why you should do your homework before geting any dog becourse it dose come through the parents not every dog that people have is to look big they just love the breed
BUT I HAVE SEEN AS I CALL THEM PEOPLE WHO DO THINK THEY ARE CLEVER AND HARD JUST BECOURSE THEY HAVE A PITBULL,ROTTIE,
SHEPPARD,STAFFIE, ETC
I HAD A GUIDEDOG SHE WAS A GREAT GUIDE FOR ME AND THEN I HAD SOME DRUGIES WHO THOGHT IT WOLD BE FUN TO SET THE DOG (PITBULL) ON HER WHILE SHE WAS WORKING (SICK PEOPLE) AND FOR
PEOPLE WITH EGO BOOST
THATS THEM JUST THINK OF THE PERSON THATS LOST THAIR LITTLE FREAIND HOW HARD IS THAT GOING TO BE!!
IJUST WISH THAT WE HAD MORE RESPONSIBLE
DOG OWNERS BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
caitrus, Blackburn says...
2:47pm Mon 28 Apr 08
John wrote:OK - are your an expert are you??
Well said Cath This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
How dare you dismiss me as if i am one of these owners who does not take responsibility for their dogs!
Yes dogs are wild animals HOWEVER they have also adapted over many years, something which responsible breeders have put money and time into doing! How can you dismiss the fact that because a dog has training it will turn anyway! you obviously are NOT dog owners therefore are ignornant to the fact that dogs are very loyal and content in a pack - the family! Dogs are a decendant of wolves therefore live and do well in a pack - this pack has evolved from wolves to human families and if a dog knows it's place in the family ie bottom of the pack it will not try and take higher rank - provided the right training has been given.
I suggest you take yourself along to cruftf/dog shows and to a dog trainer and see first hand that dogs are very loving loyal and caring.
Who are you to say what i am saying does not count - you are not an expert and neither am i but let me assure you i had spent the last 3 years training my dog with time, effort and money so DO NOT tie me as one of those dog owners who used my dog as a tool or that i'm an irresponsible dog owner. How dare you.
Yes i said that my dog would never be left with a child BECAUSE IT IS RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP! I WOULD NEVER LEAVE MY DOG WITH A CHILD EVEN IF A HAD A YORKSHIRE TERRIER OR A LITTLE ITY BITY DOG BECAUSE I AM A RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER and it is common sense.
You obviously are not dog owners yourself and i presume have never been because you are being very ignorant to the facts.
caitrus, Blackburn says...
2:53pm Mon 28 Apr 08
John wrote:And who are you to say go and get married and have children - you have become personal when there really is no need - please stay on topic!
Well said Cath This is what people like Caitrus dont understand, they think that because they have trained and educated there dogs that they are under control. These Rottweilers are not like normal pet dogs. Its like saying a tiger is the same as having a cat for a pet .In the US, the Rottweiler is the number two breed of dog named in fatal human attacks from 1979 to 1998 in a report by the CDC. Wake up dangerous dog owners you have a moral responsibility you share this world with other humans is it worth the risk just to keep these kind of dogs. Get married have kids and get with the real reason your on this planet
tereaza, sheffield says...
3:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
caitrus arnet people narrow minded you tell them its responsible dog owners like you
i need more of when im out with my guidedog
i know there are some very good dog owners and your one of them people should not steriotype everyone!!
i need more of when im out with my guidedog
i know there are some very good dog owners and your one of them people should not steriotype everyone!!
john, Haslingden says...
3:10pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Hey calm down a bit there Caitrus, Iam not saying that you are not a responsible dog owner. Indeed I respect the fact that you have put the time and effort in to training your dog properly. However the fact remains that temperament wise the Rotty is a dangerous dog. I have kept one myself about 5 years ago for about 3 years. I got rid of it when he bit me on the arm. It was not that bad but the speed with which it turned on me was really scary. I had trained it properly and indeed it came from a good bloodline. Iam just saying that you should be really careful with them. I wish you well with your choice to keep the dogs, just dont loose sight that they are really dangerous.
cath, heywood says...
3:17pm Mon 28 Apr 08
a very long long time ago the domestic dog of today was as you say awolf in a pack an alpha is always needed to curb these very aggressive dogs. in your comments caitrus you do not put another adult as an alpha .but instead say that your own dog that has had 3 years of training could be dangerous in a situation. hope you know that you have apotential killer at your feet
Simon, London says...
3:21pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I'm disgusted by the dog owners on here speaking about "if they are trained right they are affectionate." That's because you're feeding them.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
tereaza, sheffield says...
3:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
point taken i just get a little pashanette
Sally, Knuzden says...
3:34pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I am a responsible dog owner and previously have had ponies too. I feel shocked and horrified about this attack and my stomach churns to think of the fear, pain and suffering that poor pony must of gone through. But has no one spared a thought for it's owner? Somewhere there might be a small child who is devastated at the loss of their much loved companion. Any dog when allowed to roam as a pack will demonstrate pack instincts and unfortunately this is what has happened. Lets not hang draw and quarter the breed or the owners until the complete facts are known.
Fran Polson, Manchester says...
3:35pm Mon 28 Apr 08
"I love horses, best of all the animals. I love horses, they're my friends."
"I hate doggies, worst of all the animals. I hate doggies, their breath smells."
"I hate doggies, worst of all the animals. I hate doggies, their breath smells."
cath, heywood says...
4:02pm Mon 28 Apr 08
the facts are here 1 pony put through complete torture and died throuh injury 2 dogs shot which means 2 less killers away from defenceless victims
caitrus, blackburn says...
4:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
cath wrote:Cath, just to let you know i have a boxer dog. I stand by my comments as you do yours.
a very long long time ago the domestic dog of today was as you say awolf in a pack an alpha is always needed to curb these very aggressive dogs. in your comments caitrus you do not put another adult as an alpha .but instead say that your own dog that has had 3 years of training could be dangerous in a situation. hope you know that you have apotential killer at your feet
ALL dogs have the potential to be dangerous if they're not treated well and trained well, no matter of their size.
My dog has (as i have already explained) been very well socilaised and introduced to lots of animals, children and adults, he has passed all of his training courses with flying colours and i am proud of myself for being a good dog owner. So i can rest assured that my dog is not dangerous and i will sleep well at night knowing that.
As for Simon in London - your entitled to your opinion but i will speak for myself and say i have my dog for love NOT BECAUSE he's a tool! i cannot stand people who use dogs/animals as tools so please as i have already said do not tie us all in with the same brush!
Dave, Darwen says...
4:25pm Mon 28 Apr 08
As has been said all the facts need to be known before making any judgement on this story, the dogs escaped from a "secure compound". That tells me these dogs were used as guard dogs, otherwise they would have been inside the owners home. dogs of any breed trained to be guard dogs are subject to special controls that it would appear have not been followed as they have been trained to be aggressive, breed is irrelevant in this situation.
the police are still investigating and I imagine there is a lot more to this story than has been published so far.
and for the record, I own a rescued Rottweiler that is in no way a status symbol, I am married and have children. The dog is well trained and still being further trained, it is never allowed off-lead in a public place, not because I don't trust him, but because I don't trust everyone else, like the child that came running across the road screaming at the dog, and wondered why I told him to stop being so stupid and then threw stones at us as they ran off.
I fully agree that owners of any dog should have to prove they are suitable to own a dog, and there should be proof of ongoing training until a final test of control has been passed. and tighter controls on breeders to weed out the "back yard breeders" and "puppy farms" should also happen.
anyone who thiks all rottweilers are vicious should look up the breed standard with the kennel club, it clearly states they should not be aggressive, so bad breeding and bad owners must be the problem
the police are still investigating and I imagine there is a lot more to this story than has been published so far.
and for the record, I own a rescued Rottweiler that is in no way a status symbol, I am married and have children. The dog is well trained and still being further trained, it is never allowed off-lead in a public place, not because I don't trust him, but because I don't trust everyone else, like the child that came running across the road screaming at the dog, and wondered why I told him to stop being so stupid and then threw stones at us as they ran off.
I fully agree that owners of any dog should have to prove they are suitable to own a dog, and there should be proof of ongoing training until a final test of control has been passed. and tighter controls on breeders to weed out the "back yard breeders" and "puppy farms" should also happen.
anyone who thiks all rottweilers are vicious should look up the breed standard with the kennel club, it clearly states they should not be aggressive, so bad breeding and bad owners must be the problem
Rich, Blackpool says...
5:16pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I'm sure there are responsible owners, as there are for lions and other dangerous animals. But this does not take away the fact that they are even capable of killing a horse!
I highly doubt the horse provoked them. More so he'll of likely been trying to befriend them as horses do (that is why horses walk over to you in a field). Shows what kinda of mentality these dogs have.
I highly doubt the horse provoked them. More so he'll of likely been trying to befriend them as horses do (that is why horses walk over to you in a field). Shows what kinda of mentality these dogs have.
vanessa, haslingden says...
5:19pm Mon 28 Apr 08
hi all, this was my little girls pony which was born on the same day has her making them both 6 years old, im just glad it was in the night when it happened and not when she could of been up there feeding it, its a shame for the dogs that they have fallen into the wrong hands of someone that does not notice when they having gone missing and have been brought up in this way... my point of view is they need punishing for the way the dogs have turned on what was a well loved pet....
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Maggie, Leeds says...
5:45pm Mon 28 Apr 08
my thoughts too are with the owners of the poor pony.. i truly hope the owners of the dogs are found and dealt with appropriately.. the dogs should not have been allowed to escape and roam freely in the first place.. regardless of breed. i have known some brilliant rotties in my time, but they aren't a breed for the faint hearted and require an experienced handler. Incapable ownership and thoughtless breeding give this breed a bad name.
Walter Halow, Manchester says...
5:50pm Mon 28 Apr 08
If that is a geniune post, Vanessa, I'm a bit disturbed you would class your horse as an "it". As a horse owner, that does not sit well with me at all!
shona, stirling says...
6:00pm Mon 28 Apr 08
As the owner of four rottweilers, I have to say,,, they are nice in the right homes, they are not pets for joe soap, I also own horses, my lot are great around the horses,,and other animals that live on the farm, so I guess YOU GET WHAT YOU REAR, I think all rotties should be chipped so they can be traced to the owners, then the owner can be held responsible for any damage done, I would far rather people be licenced to keep large breed dogs, as chipping alone is not enough,, the damage is done by then, but at least someone is held responsible, in my view anyone can by a rottie {from some breeders} but few have the time, comitment and knowlage to train or own them,
jackie, Redcar says...
6:09pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Firstly, this was a terrible thing to happen and I feel desperately sorry for the owners of the pony. I am a dog owner and a responsible one. No I do not own a Rottweiler but do know a number of people who do. Comparing them to lions is absolutely insane and I can't believe many of the posts on here. It's the equivalent of 'burn the witch'. 'Blame the deed, not the breed'. Ring any bells people?
Gina, Bradford says...
6:10pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Simon wrote:well could you explain how hundreds of rottweilers were exhibited at Crufts this year in the same hall? also with the *GASP* general public walking alongide them, petting them? these are well balanced dogs handled by experienced people who have given them a good level of training.
I'm disgusted by the dog owners on here speaking about "if they are trained right they are affectionate." That's because you're feeding them.
I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
Your comment makes little sense to me. if you feed a wolf it's not going to be automatically affectionate. dogs can be trained tho exhibit wanted characteristics, and along with good handling, they are very affectionate dogs. not merely because you shove some pedigree chum in front of them every day. Also, this breed seem to have been adopted by the chavvy asbo lot who use them to impress their mates. This creates demand for these dogs which, as a reputable breeder would not supply rotties to these kind of people, is met by puppy farmers and those who breed unsuitable dogs together just for money. Also, some of these people breed from dogs with aggressive traits which is deemed useful by some idiotic chavs with small penises and some idiots who merely want a dog to guard their crappy house/business.
Lorraine Rae, Central Scotland says...
6:23pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Tell me what makes all you people experts on Rottweilers.Have you kept one,probably not.Any dog has the potential to be lethal in the wrong hands.Blame the deed not the breed thats what I say.
Poor horse might still be here if these dogs had been looked after properly like my two girls.
Poor horse might still be here if these dogs had been looked after properly like my two girls.
S-J, herefordshire says...
6:34pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Please don't blame the dogs any breed could of done that, it is the way the owners treat them.
2 of our friend have family Rotti's and they are the best natured dogs I know, my retiever is more aggressive then them(no joke)
No dog goes after to kill anyone or animal on purpose.
only small minded people blame the dogs.
2 of our friend have family Rotti's and they are the best natured dogs I know, my retiever is more aggressive then them(no joke)
No dog goes after to kill anyone or animal on purpose.
only small minded people blame the dogs.
Jemma, Lincolnshire says...
6:37pm Mon 28 Apr 08
My dad was a rottie breeder and me and my sisters grew up with rotties around us, We have NEVER met a aggressive rottie. It is not the dog's it is the owners, and for all those people who say it is in the breed, they are the same as pit bulls etc ANY dog can snap even the smallest but you never hear horror stories about jr's attacking! Rotties are a brilliant breed and with the correct training and owner they become brilliant dogs. Stop grinding the axe on rotties!
jackie, midlands says...
6:56pm Mon 28 Apr 08
First as a dog and horse owner , my heart goes out to the owners of this pony, and yes these dogs had to be destroyed.
But it saddens me to hear all the hysteria that is posted on this board.
Blame the deed not the breed.
Rottweilers are a wonderful breed, but like many other breeds, the breeding comes into it, and plays a huge part in the dogs temperament.
I have friends who own and breed Rottis, they are the most wonderful dogs, some are PAT (pets for therapy).
Now tell me , how many of us own dogs that would pass the extreme temperament tests that are required before a dog is allowed to go into hospitals visiting old and young , bringing a little happiness into their lives.
You get what you pay for in this world, and if research was done on ALL theses Rottis that have been in the news recently, I wonder how many came from reputable ethical breeders, not many I am willing to bet.
These two latest ones where gaurd dogs, dogs that where probably bought out of the local paper, for half the price a well bred Rotti should be.
Rottis have a strong guarding instinct, brought up in the right home, with the right owners, they are no more dangerous than any other dog.
You lock them up in a compound, not setting boundaries , you will get the dog we see in the papers... one who has been left to his own devises, or encouraged to be the hard menacing devil dog, people like to label them with.
it is not there fault, they have been bred by idiots looking for a quick buck, or being owned by morons who want a heard dog.
But sadly the breed will pay the price.
Meet a wel bred ,well reared Rotti, and you will be hard pressed to find any fault in him/her.
Oh and as for the comment on the Root and Paris Hilton, well I would like to see the Chav, who could pick a Rotti up , tuck it under their arms or carry it in a designer handbag
But it saddens me to hear all the hysteria that is posted on this board.
Blame the deed not the breed.
Rottweilers are a wonderful breed, but like many other breeds, the breeding comes into it, and plays a huge part in the dogs temperament.
I have friends who own and breed Rottis, they are the most wonderful dogs, some are PAT (pets for therapy).
Now tell me , how many of us own dogs that would pass the extreme temperament tests that are required before a dog is allowed to go into hospitals visiting old and young , bringing a little happiness into their lives.
You get what you pay for in this world, and if research was done on ALL theses Rottis that have been in the news recently, I wonder how many came from reputable ethical breeders, not many I am willing to bet.
These two latest ones where gaurd dogs, dogs that where probably bought out of the local paper, for half the price a well bred Rotti should be.
Rottis have a strong guarding instinct, brought up in the right home, with the right owners, they are no more dangerous than any other dog.
You lock them up in a compound, not setting boundaries , you will get the dog we see in the papers... one who has been left to his own devises, or encouraged to be the hard menacing devil dog, people like to label them with.
it is not there fault, they have been bred by idiots looking for a quick buck, or being owned by morons who want a heard dog.
But sadly the breed will pay the price.
Meet a wel bred ,well reared Rotti, and you will be hard pressed to find any fault in him/her.
Oh and as for the comment on the Root and Paris Hilton, well I would like to see the Chav, who could pick a Rotti up , tuck it under their arms or carry it in a designer handbag
Julie, Devon says...
7:12pm Mon 28 Apr 08
The pony didn't deserve to die but neither did the dogs. People who are blaming the dogs just do not understand them. The blame lies entirely with the owners who are clearly irresponsible. Rotties are loyal, loving dogs who make wonderful family pets in the right hands. Unfortunately ignorant people buy dogs without knowledge of the breed. I'd like to see the owners strung up for this one.
Sam, West Yorks says...
7:39pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I am a horse and a rottie owner and my heart goes out to the owners of the horse.
All those that are ridiculously slating Rottweilers are so ignorant and nieve and obviously haven't owned one or been around them to understand that they are like any dog. With the correct training, diet and socialization they are a fantastic breed.
There is no worse animal than the human! How can you sit there and say they have no right to be in our world today! Everyone has a right to be here!!!
Ban the deed not the breed!
All those that are ridiculously slating Rottweilers are so ignorant and nieve and obviously haven't owned one or been around them to understand that they are like any dog. With the correct training, diet and socialization they are a fantastic breed.
There is no worse animal than the human! How can you sit there and say they have no right to be in our world today! Everyone has a right to be here!!!
Ban the deed not the breed!
Geraldine Baseley, Hampshire says...
7:44pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I was sickened to read this report and send sincere sympathy to the owner of this poor horse.
Its not the dogs that are the problem but the owners. I don't own this breed but have known ones that are well socialised and cared for and are a problem to no-one. It seems that as these dogs escaped from a compound that they were not family pets but dogs used for another purpose (again). It would be better for more stringent checks to be made on who would be responsible for owning this type of dog in the first place and for what purpose. Its not the breed at fault but the owner. I hope they are banned from keeping dogs for life.
Its not the dogs that are the problem but the owners. I don't own this breed but have known ones that are well socialised and cared for and are a problem to no-one. It seems that as these dogs escaped from a compound that they were not family pets but dogs used for another purpose (again). It would be better for more stringent checks to be made on who would be responsible for owning this type of dog in the first place and for what purpose. Its not the breed at fault but the owner. I hope they are banned from keeping dogs for life.
alex, preston says...
8:16pm Mon 28 Apr 08
OMG How thick are some of you?
OK, chav think a rotti looks good, buys one out of the paper and lo and behold its got a bad temprament...the **** has most likely never seen a vet or the indoors of her house...she is just bred from season after season...to feed the likes of you idiots with a "hard" dog
Decent human being want a rottie, researches it breed history, breeders, HEALTH TESTING and lines...
these dogs how have proper owners are happy family dogs...
some of you are real knucklescrapers...
I dont have a rottie but i know many who do! I have a staffy and im very proud!! to have a so called devil dog!
You lot really need an education!! its lets burn the witches all over again! if you ill-educated neanderthals got an education you may have a different opinion!
Yes i feel awful for the pony, it knock me sick,
And as for you horse keepers...one mentioned earlier that horses are loving and dogs are only loving due to food...?
why is one animal more loving than the other????...wake up they aren't!!
if the generel public actually educated themselves we wouldnt have these problems!!!
OK, chav think a rotti looks good, buys one out of the paper and lo and behold its got a bad temprament...the **** has most likely never seen a vet or the indoors of her house...she is just bred from season after season...to feed the likes of you idiots with a "hard" dog
Decent human being want a rottie, researches it breed history, breeders, HEALTH TESTING and lines...
these dogs how have proper owners are happy family dogs...
some of you are real knucklescrapers...
I dont have a rottie but i know many who do! I have a staffy and im very proud!! to have a so called devil dog!
You lot really need an education!! its lets burn the witches all over again! if you ill-educated neanderthals got an education you may have a different opinion!
Yes i feel awful for the pony, it knock me sick,
And as for you horse keepers...one mentioned earlier that horses are loving and dogs are only loving due to food...?
why is one animal more loving than the other????...wake up they aren't!!
if the generel public actually educated themselves we wouldnt have these problems!!!
Kel, Newcastle says...
8:20pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Sam wrote:Exactly. I feel sorry for those who are too ignorant to understand dog and rotties in particular. It's people of this little knowledge which will aquire such a dog and not have a clue in teh world what they are doing with it. these dogs were kept in a compound, they were not treated correctly. I know of an 8 week old rottie pup who has just been introduced to his new home, chained out the back never to meet anyone, any other dog or animal only to guard. This is the kind of dog that will turn this way. A dog trained for guard or unsocialised CANNOT be introduced into a family home later on in it's life, this is where things go wrong, be it a poodle or a rottie, the only reason it's always rotties is because that is the breed which idiot buy for guarding purposes. if everyone started buying poodles for the same reason it would be poodles in the media.
I am a horse and a rottie owner and my heart goes out to the owners of the horse.
All those that are ridiculously slating Rottweilers are so ignorant and nieve and obviously haven't owned one or been around them to understand that they are like any dog. With the correct training, diet and socialization they are a fantastic breed.
There is no worse animal than the human! How can you sit there and say they have no right to be in our world today! Everyone has a right to be here!!!
Ban the deed not the breed!
Seriously people, if you kept a child in a back yard all it's life do you think if you suddenly released it it would be a normal sociable member of society? These things have to be taught to humans so they have to be taught to puppies just the same. I had no idea this country was so uneducated, honestly and people wonder why....
Nicola, Greenock says...
8:39pm Mon 28 Apr 08
What is it with you crazy, ignorant people who always blame the breed for incidents that occur such as this one. Yes, it is tragic but it is not the dogs fault. You make me, and thousands of others, so angry! ANY dog has the potential to become a "dangerous dog", any dog - IN THE WRONG HANDS.
It is not the breed that is to blame, but the deed. Things like this happen if dogs are sold to unsuitable owners. There are far too many back yard breeders out there who breed purely for the money and not for the love and improvement of the breed. THESE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE SHOT, NOT THE BLOODY DOGS! They sell pups to anyone who will buy them, without any home or background checks. These owners haven't a clue on what this breed requires to see it thrive, therefore, this kind of problem is likely to occur.
Dog licenses (both for breeders and for owners), mandatory training classes before a potential owner acquires a dog to ensure the breed they would like is suitable for them and that they have the understanding and the knowledge to own a large, powerful and intelligent breed and bring it up properly, giving it all it needs to thrive and mature in to a respectable adult dog. With the government we have at the moment, this will never happen as they are so corrupt when it comes to dogs and dog ownership (as well as many other things).
It's us humans who ruin dogs due to bad breeding, lack of knowledge and lack of training and understanding. Humans are to blame for the problems dogs have, no t the dogs! And it's high time some people realised that and stop blaming certain breeds when they no idea abut them.
Please, please, please, before you buy a dog do your research in to various breeds (and breeders) and make **** sure it is suitable for you, otherwise you are likely to have problems, which won't be down to the dog.
It is not the breed that is to blame, but the deed. Things like this happen if dogs are sold to unsuitable owners. There are far too many back yard breeders out there who breed purely for the money and not for the love and improvement of the breed. THESE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE SHOT, NOT THE BLOODY DOGS! They sell pups to anyone who will buy them, without any home or background checks. These owners haven't a clue on what this breed requires to see it thrive, therefore, this kind of problem is likely to occur.
Dog licenses (both for breeders and for owners), mandatory training classes before a potential owner acquires a dog to ensure the breed they would like is suitable for them and that they have the understanding and the knowledge to own a large, powerful and intelligent breed and bring it up properly, giving it all it needs to thrive and mature in to a respectable adult dog. With the government we have at the moment, this will never happen as they are so corrupt when it comes to dogs and dog ownership (as well as many other things).
It's us humans who ruin dogs due to bad breeding, lack of knowledge and lack of training and understanding. Humans are to blame for the problems dogs have, no t the dogs! And it's high time some people realised that and stop blaming certain breeds when they no idea abut them.
Please, please, please, before you buy a dog do your research in to various breeds (and breeders) and make **** sure it is suitable for you, otherwise you are likely to have problems, which won't be down to the dog.
Tony Jones, Liverpool says...
9:07pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Notice how the "Rotty" owners on here are the offensive, agreesive posters. Adds new meaning to the dog looking like their owners.
BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
vanessa, haslingden says...
9:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Walter Halow wrote:well walter u must have nothing much better to do than slate a comment which is not ment to come along as the horse was just an it, she was called shannon as my little girl named HER after herself.. sorry u where disturbed!!!!!!!!!!
If that is a geniune post, Vanessa, I\\\\\\\'m a bit disturbed you would class your horse as an \\\\\\\"it\\\\\\\". As a horse owner, that does not sit well with me at all!
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Richard Lowe, Manchester says...
9:11pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I think the dog owners on here need to work on their own agression!
Lorna, Lanarkshire says...
9:15pm Mon 28 Apr 08
First I would like to say I am heart sorry for the poor horse and its owners.
I cannot believe the small minded, ignorant people who have posted on this thread.
All dogs have the potential to be aggressive if they are not trained properly as all cars have the potential to kill if in the wrong hands. Instead of blaming the breed and calling for them all to be banned. Call for all back yard breeders to be banned. This would be the sensible route of action but after reading some of the replies here, I doubt sensible would come into it. I long for the olden days when idiots were only allowed to write with crayons!!!!
I cannot believe the small minded, ignorant people who have posted on this thread.
All dogs have the potential to be aggressive if they are not trained properly as all cars have the potential to kill if in the wrong hands. Instead of blaming the breed and calling for them all to be banned. Call for all back yard breeders to be banned. This would be the sensible route of action but after reading some of the replies here, I doubt sensible would come into it. I long for the olden days when idiots were only allowed to write with crayons!!!!
Nicola, Greenock says...
9:17pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Tony Jones wrote:If that is also aimed at me, you couldn't be further away from the truth.
Notice how the \"Rotty\" owners on here are the offensive, agreesive posters. Adds new meaning to the dog looking like their owners.
BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
I am not a Rottweiler owner, never have been. I am a dog owner though, but I don't own the kinds of dogs you might expect....
I really like Rottweilers, however, I know I could not provide them with the right environment they would need to thrive. That is the difference. I am not an irresponsible dog owner, never have been, and I take pride in the way my dogs behave.
The only "threat" here is people like you. You probably assume, wrongly so, that it's the breed that is to blame, when, in fact, it's not.
Don't tarr all dog owners (or dogs, for that matter) with the same brush.
Unfortunately, some of mankind is corrupt, and is humans who have given some dogs their problems. Incidents like this is down to human error and the dog cannot be blamed for having an irresponsible owner. Ban these people for life from owning an kind of animal.
Nicola, Greenock says...
9:22pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Richard Lowe wrote:We get angry because of people who are so media influenced that the fail to stand back, think about the situation and make up their own minds. People who say Rottweilers are "wild animals" - Please, give me strength. Some kids you see out on the street are more "wild" than the average mutt.
I think the dog owners on here need to work on their own agression!
toni, 204-915 says...
9:36pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Tony Jones wrote:Notice how the non rottie owner's who like having a pop at rottie owner's are stupid.
Notice how the \\\"Rotty\\\" owners on here are the offensive, agreesive posters. Adds new meaning to the dog looking like their owners. BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
Any dog in the wrong hand's is a dangerous dog.
Ban all peodphile men get rid of this type put them all down get rid of the threat.
Catch your self on, dog owner's can expect this from idiot's with nowt more to do than take it out on defenceless animal's, wolves hunted horse's for food.
I feel sorry for the horse owner but just as sorry for the rottie owner's.
Nicola, Greenock says...
9:41pm Mon 28 Apr 08
toni wrote:Well said, Toni.
Tony Jones wrote:Notice how the non rottie owner's who like having a pop at rottie owner's are stupid.
Notice how the \\\"Rotty\\\" owners on here are the offensive, agreesive posters. Adds new meaning to the dog looking like their owners. BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
Any dog in the wrong hand's is a dangerous dog.
Ban all peodphile men get rid of this type put them all down get rid of the threat.
Catch your self on, dog owner's can expect this from idiot's with nowt more to do than take it out on defenceless animal's, wolves hunted horse's for food.
I feel sorry for the horse owner but just as sorry for the rottie owner's.
Look at what humankind do, our own species! Humankind do far worse that what animals do, and the thing is, some of the things animals do is what is natural to them. I didn't think murder, rape, stabbings etc were in the "breed standard" for humankind, but I am beginning to wonder if that is true for some folk! It makes me really angry.
Nicola, Greenock says...
9:44pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Julie wrote:Here, here. Well said and very true.
The pony didn't deserve to die but neither did the dogs. People who are blaming the dogs just do not understand them. The blame lies entirely with the owners who are clearly irresponsible. Rotties are loyal, loving dogs who make wonderful family pets in the right hands. Unfortunately ignorant people buy dogs without knowledge of the breed. I'd like to see the owners strung up for this one.
Lynn, Northampton says...
9:54pm Mon 28 Apr 08
i've been a horse owner for many years and was sickened by what i read yesterday. my thoughts are with the horses owners.
i just hope the irresponsible dog owners are prosecuted and forced to pay compensation to the horse owner. i realise that they have also lost their dogs, but if they'd kept them under control, none of this would have happened!
i just hope the irresponsible dog owners are prosecuted and forced to pay compensation to the horse owner. i realise that they have also lost their dogs, but if they'd kept them under control, none of this would have happened!
jackie, midlands says...
10:00pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Tony Jones wrote:I think you will find not all the dog owners here are Rotti owners, they are realistic people who own dogs, and know who dogs work, as has said before it is the deed not the breed.
Notice how the \\\"Rotty\\\" owners on here are the offensive, agreesive posters. Adds new meaning to the dog looking like their owners. BAN ALL AGREESIVE DOGS. PUT THEM DOWN. GET RID OF THIS THREAT.
You accuse the dog owners of being aggressive because they defend the canine world, can you blame then being DEFENSIVE when you have comments like the above.
Most doggy people are responsible and know the value of human life over animal life... not a one has condoned this tragedy, but most people can see the bigger picture, and realise it is US as a human race that causes these problems not dogs... they live in our world, we make the rules, we expect them to live and sometimes humanise them.... they are NOT human... they are dogs...and it is up to us, to breed the most even tempered dogs , and this goes for all dogs, small or large... it is not the breed ... it is US who make the problems.
Lynn, Northampton says...
10:06pm Mon 28 Apr 08
there seems to be lots of talk about the dogs, their feelings and not being understood. there is good and bad with everything, but stop making excuses for them!
what about the dead pony's feelings???
what about the dead pony's feelings???
Kim, Wales says...
10:11pm Mon 28 Apr 08
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!!
The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don't! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me.
Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don't! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me.
Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
N, Blackburn says...
10:19pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Some of you people seriously need to have a word with yourselbes.
ANY dog is a potential danger if not trained or brought up right. Not everyone who owns a rottweiler is a "chav" or just wants a "trophy dog". I personally dont own a rottweiler i have a labrador but at the end of the day that is not the issue here .......please could everyone just spare a thought for this poor pony and wat unimaginable pain/suffering and fear it must have gone through. Some of you people sound like animals yourselves....think about the poor animal that was killed for no reason.These dogs were killed for a reason , they had already killed a defenceless animal and would alomost certainly have done it again...once they have tasted blood they want it again!!
Vanessa my thoughts are with your little girl and her beloved friend.
ANY dog is a potential danger if not trained or brought up right. Not everyone who owns a rottweiler is a "chav" or just wants a "trophy dog". I personally dont own a rottweiler i have a labrador but at the end of the day that is not the issue here .......please could everyone just spare a thought for this poor pony and wat unimaginable pain/suffering and fear it must have gone through. Some of you people sound like animals yourselves....think about the poor animal that was killed for no reason.These dogs were killed for a reason , they had already killed a defenceless animal and would alomost certainly have done it again...once they have tasted blood they want it again!!
Vanessa my thoughts are with your little girl and her beloved friend.
Rambler, the doghouse says...
10:41pm Mon 28 Apr 08
shona wrote:If all rotti owners were as responsible as this and the government implemented some of Shona's ideas, this tragedy wouldn't have ever happened in the first place. Instead of condemning a whole breed (face it it hasn't worked in the past) why not work with the responsible owners like Shona and try to sort out the probelm of irresponsible owners and breeders. Does this paper run adds for dogs in the classified section????
As the owner of four rottweilers, I have to say,,, they are nice in the right homes, they are not pets for joe soap, I also own horses, my lot are great around the horses,,and other animals that live on the farm, so I guess YOU GET WHAT YOU REAR, I think all rotties should be chipped so they can be traced to the owners, then the owner can be held responsible for any damage done, I would far rather people be licenced to keep large breed dogs, as chipping alone is not enough,, the damage is done by then, but at least someone is held responsible, in my view anyone can by a rottie {from some breeders} but few have the time, comitment and knowlage to train or own them,
Kim, Wales says...
10:56pm Mon 28 Apr 08
It's not just about Rottie breeders, it's about EVERY breeder also being held accountable for what the are producing, you cannot blame stupid people for purchasing breeds they have not researched on enough, every puppy is cute, but each one has breed traits, blame the stupid breeders for not being thorough enough regarding the kind of people that they are selling their puppies to!
Yet again I read the news and another child has been viciously attacked by a dog, where will all this madness end and when will people stop putting the blame souly on the owners of the dogs, breeders should be blamed too for exactly the reasons outlined above, if they did such things maybe we wouldnt have this happening too much, maybe it would not happen at all, maybe rescues would not be full of dogs of this breed type and many others that are all too often seen in the news, people panic and what do they do? Offload such dogs to the nearest rescue centre, breeders should be held accountable also for anything that has been produced by them.
Yet again I read the news and another child has been viciously attacked by a dog, where will all this madness end and when will people stop putting the blame souly on the owners of the dogs, breeders should be blamed too for exactly the reasons outlined above, if they did such things maybe we wouldnt have this happening too much, maybe it would not happen at all, maybe rescues would not be full of dogs of this breed type and many others that are all too often seen in the news, people panic and what do they do? Offload such dogs to the nearest rescue centre, breeders should be held accountable also for anything that has been produced by them.
alex, preston says...
10:58pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Kim wrote:wooooohoo!! so MY dog should be banned because of idiot chavs???
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!! The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me. Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
My staffy who is at this very moment fast asleep on our bed, who wouldnt take sweets out of a babies hands, who only ever wants cuddles and play...???
Get lost you moron!
BAN THE CHAVS AND IDIOTS!!! AND STOP EM BREEDING!!
Kim, Wales says...
11:06pm Mon 28 Apr 08
alex wrote:Now, those are exactly the kind of words I would expect from anyone that owned a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, what a great ambassador for the breed you are.
Kim wrote:wooooohoo!! so MY dog should be banned because of idiot chavs???
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!! The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me. Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
My staffy who is at this very moment fast asleep on our bed, who wouldnt take sweets out of a babies hands, who only ever wants cuddles and play...???
Get lost you moron!
BAN THE CHAVS AND IDIOTS!!! AND STOP EM BREEDING!!
elaine, says...
11:19pm Mon 28 Apr 08
it wasn't the bloomin dogs faults, the owners are to blame, the dogs didn't stand a chance ignorance took over yet again, i hope it stays in the mind of the shooters for a very long time, the dogs should have at least had the chance to be judged !
Kim, Wales says...
11:22pm Mon 28 Apr 08
elaine wrote:The right and responsible thing was done.
it wasn't the bloomin dogs faults, the owners are to blame, the dogs didn't stand a chance ignorance took over yet again, i hope it stays in the mind of the shooters for a very long time, the dogs should have at least had the chance to be judged !
escaped, Spain says...
11:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
S-J wrote:So these two ferocious beasts killed this horse by accident did they?
Please don't blame the dogs any breed could of done that, it is the way the owners treat them. 2 of our friend have family Rotti's and they are the best natured dogs I know, my retiever is more aggressive then them(no joke) No dog goes after to kill anyone or animal on purpose. only small minded people blame the dogs.
I bet Shannon wishes her horse had been attacked by a couple of poodles instead of rottweilers!!. Don't tar all dogs with the same brush as rottweilers and other dangerous breeds. Ban people from owning them and there will be very few about in ten years time.
Kel, says...
11:43pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Kim wrote:So all staffy owners are the same?
alex wrote:Now, those are exactly the kind of words I would expect from anyone that owned a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, what a great ambassador for the breed you are.
Kim wrote:wooooohoo!! so MY dog should be banned because of idiot chavs???
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!! The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me. Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
My staffy who is at this very moment fast asleep on our bed, who wouldnt take sweets out of a babies hands, who only ever wants cuddles and play...???
Get lost you moron!
BAN THE CHAVS AND IDIOTS!!! AND STOP EM BREEDING!!
Open your eyes, for God's sake people, look beyond the media, go and meet responsible owners and their dogs instead of sitting back and taking the newspapers as gospel. This is getting more coverage than that sicko last year, a human being who went around slaughtering horses and ponies. Was he shot dead? And teh sad thing is, he knew better, the dogs here, sadly did not.
Kel, Newcastle says...
11:46pm Mon 28 Apr 08
escaped wrote:You don't think 2 standard poodles could have killed a pony?
S-J wrote:So these two ferocious beasts killed this horse by accident did they?
Please don't blame the dogs any breed could of done that, it is the way the owners treat them. 2 of our friend have family Rotti's and they are the best natured dogs I know, my retiever is more aggressive then them(no joke) No dog goes after to kill anyone or animal on purpose. only small minded people blame the dogs.
I bet Shannon wishes her horse had been attacked by a couple of poodles instead of rottweilers!!. Don't tar all dogs with the same brush as rottweilers and other dangerous breeds. Ban people from owning them and there will be very few about in ten years time.
Where in the article does it say that the dogs definitely killed the pony btw?
Jackie, England says...
11:58pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Simon wrote:You been drinking? I own a Rottweiler (yep no suprise there)but a crocodile? PMSL
I'm disgusted by the dog owners on here speaking about "if they are trained right they are affectionate." That's because you're feeding them. I am absolutely convinced that it is an ego trip for these dog owners and they'd have pet crocodiles if they had their way.
You think my Rottweiler is ok "just" because i feed her! Pmsl
You're all nutty on here (mental face smiley followed by rofl smiley) and you say we're nutters!!!
shona, stirling says...
3:31am Tue 29 Apr 08
Kel wrote:good point kel, they still dont know the cause of death, It is just possible the horse may have been dead before the dogs got there, just a slight possiblity
escaped wrote:You don\'t think 2 standard poodles could have killed a pony? Where in the article does it say that the dogs definitely killed the pony btw?S-J wrote: Please don\'t blame the dogs any breed could of done that, it is the way the owners treat them. 2 of our friend have family Rotti\'s and they are the best natured dogs I know, my retiever is more aggressive then them(no joke) No dog goes after to kill anyone or animal on purpose. only small minded people blame the dogs.So these two ferocious beasts killed this horse by accident did they? I bet Shannon wishes her horse had been attacked by a couple of poodles instead of rottweilers!!. Don\'t tar all dogs with the same brush as rottweilers and other dangerous breeds. Ban people from owning them and there will be very few about in ten years time.
Johnny, USA says...
4:37am Tue 29 Apr 08
To the above:
The police were called after a member of the public "saw two dogs ATTACKING the horse." When police arrived they then found the horse to be dead.
The police were called after a member of the public "saw two dogs ATTACKING the horse." When police arrived they then found the horse to be dead.
The worlds gone mad, Burnley says...
6:28am Tue 29 Apr 08
The murderers of a young girl get sent to prison for their awful crime and a pony gets killed by two dogs. Guess which one gets more comments by the people of this country?? Nation of animal lovers?? Nation of messed up priorities more like.
Gabs, says...
7:29am Tue 29 Apr 08
I feel terriblt sorry for the horse owner and feel it was the right thing to put down those dogs as they where agressive
But where does banning rotties come into it as is said above SOME Rotties are badly bred/trained treated ect but plenty of rotties are wonderful creatures who deserve to live peacfully with their familys and not be treated if their going to attack everything when ever they go out
btw I am not a rottie owner but have met many lovley ones and walk my staffy and lab with 2 handsome male one's
But where does banning rotties come into it as is said above SOME Rotties are badly bred/trained treated ect but plenty of rotties are wonderful creatures who deserve to live peacfully with their familys and not be treated if their going to attack everything when ever they go out
btw I am not a rottie owner but have met many lovley ones and walk my staffy and lab with 2 handsome male one's
Tony, Bury says...
8:54am Tue 29 Apr 08
To all the people whoi say stop blaming the breed. The Rottweiler is not in the number two spot of most dangerous dogs for nothing. Facts dont lie people face up to them
Navigator, Norway says...
9:06am Tue 29 Apr 08
Quote:"Saw the dogs attacking the pony". Could the pony already be dead and on the ground?
Did anybody bother to check the dogs for injuries? I'm sure two Rotties can kill a pony, but not without beeing hurt themselves.
Did anybody bother to check the dogs for injuries? I'm sure two Rotties can kill a pony, but not without beeing hurt themselves.
Lynn, Essex says...
9:09am Tue 29 Apr 08
This is such a a sad case to be reading about and I feel for the poor pony and the owners, I am a horse lover and use to work in a stables many years ago.
But lets get things in perspective the article points out that it was a possibility the dogs killed this pony not yet proven they may of got out of their compound so most probably guard dogs and the pony had died of something else and the dogs became frenzied, so in all shooting them was probably the only option although maybe not the only one but not being there we cannot judge if it was for the best or not.
We have to leave that to the experts and trust their judgement and knowledge. If they did savage the pony and kill it or worry it which resulted in its death then fair enough nothing else could of be done.
I do find it disturbing that people who are not dog owners or lovers are calling for a particular breed to be wiped out, any dog big or small is potentially dangerous when not owned by responsible dog owners, many of them about now sadly, but there are more responsible dog owners than not, who research their breed buy from reputable breeders and do everything right as in micro chipping their dog, collars, identity tags walking them on leads on pavements and near roads and when in a safe enviroment letting them off lead and allow them to run with supervison freely. Also being responsible for cleaning up after their dogs.
Things like this are tragic but not happening everyday not like attacks by humans on another human being that is happening at an alarming rate more than once in a while but several times a day 52 weeks of the year so shall we expect those to be banned who inflict damage or worse to be banned/ wiped out ?
Rotties are a lovely breed I know 4 who happily play with my dog and live with children, I once owned a Rottie cross who was the gentlest sould you could wish to meet, so please think before making assumptions that all these dogs or any dogs are bad and need to wiped out they don't people need to be educated about responsible dog ownership and back yard breeders banned and then they would not be selling large powerful breeds to the knucklescrapers as someone here posted dog owners are or owners of Rotties because they would not be around to do so and all breeds would be in the right hands not the wrong ones.
I would like to point out that the majority of dog owners are not knucklescrapers but nice responsible people even those with rotties, staffies, akitas etc., there is to much media hype nothing gets written about the good things dogs do for people everyday.
But lets get things in perspective the article points out that it was a possibility the dogs killed this pony not yet proven they may of got out of their compound so most probably guard dogs and the pony had died of something else and the dogs became frenzied, so in all shooting them was probably the only option although maybe not the only one but not being there we cannot judge if it was for the best or not.
We have to leave that to the experts and trust their judgement and knowledge. If they did savage the pony and kill it or worry it which resulted in its death then fair enough nothing else could of be done.
I do find it disturbing that people who are not dog owners or lovers are calling for a particular breed to be wiped out, any dog big or small is potentially dangerous when not owned by responsible dog owners, many of them about now sadly, but there are more responsible dog owners than not, who research their breed buy from reputable breeders and do everything right as in micro chipping their dog, collars, identity tags walking them on leads on pavements and near roads and when in a safe enviroment letting them off lead and allow them to run with supervison freely. Also being responsible for cleaning up after their dogs.
Things like this are tragic but not happening everyday not like attacks by humans on another human being that is happening at an alarming rate more than once in a while but several times a day 52 weeks of the year so shall we expect those to be banned who inflict damage or worse to be banned/ wiped out ?
Rotties are a lovely breed I know 4 who happily play with my dog and live with children, I once owned a Rottie cross who was the gentlest sould you could wish to meet, so please think before making assumptions that all these dogs or any dogs are bad and need to wiped out they don't people need to be educated about responsible dog ownership and back yard breeders banned and then they would not be selling large powerful breeds to the knucklescrapers as someone here posted dog owners are or owners of Rotties because they would not be around to do so and all breeds would be in the right hands not the wrong ones.
I would like to point out that the majority of dog owners are not knucklescrapers but nice responsible people even those with rotties, staffies, akitas etc., there is to much media hype nothing gets written about the good things dogs do for people everyday.
John, Hasy says...
9:20am Tue 29 Apr 08
Lynn your living in cloud chooko land love, quote the pony could have died of something else. The Dogs savaged it to dead I heard them
Kim, Wales says...
9:47am Tue 29 Apr 08
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them.
Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes.
Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes.
Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
Lorna, Lanarkshire says...
10:34am Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:I would like to ask all the people who are callin for a ban if they have done any research into there opinions or are they fuelled by what they read in the press, who by the way are out to sell papers and not give a balanced view point. If you bothered to get your facts right we might all be able to work together to stop these attacks from happening. 4 breeds have already been banned in this country and it has stopped nothing which leads me to believe banning does not work. There has been so many good suggestions on how we could address this issue but still people are out for blood. Get a grip folks, humans are the problem, behind all these tragedies humans are the common denominator.
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them. Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes. Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
Ti m, Accy says...
11:00am Tue 29 Apr 08
Lorna, The problem is the breed if there where no Rottweilers in this case there would still be a pony. Humans where no where around when this happened. Also how many dog attack stories do you read about involving Golden Retrivers or cocker spaniels ? Yes none
Lorna, Lanarkshire says...
11:33am Tue 29 Apr 08
Ti m wrote:Hi Ti m, You have answered your own point. There was no human around when it happened. They were dogs, there should have been a resposible owner around to stop this from happening. Again I ask what research have you undertaken to come up with you opinion. All dogs can bite and if you look at statistics then you would probably find that the cute, toilet roll advertising labrador would be high up on the biting list. Golden Retrievers and Cocker Spanials are know to suffer from a condition called Red Rage which turns a happy, friendly pet into an aggressive dog. They believe this is due to bad breeding , again humans at fault. Newspapers want to sell sensationalised stories with pictures of rabid dogs showing their fangs and you are buying in to this. Banning breeds does not work, it is a very narrowminded point of view. Look again at the other solutions which have been mentioned and stop the 'I'm alright attitude, Jack' attitude.
Lorna, The problem is the breed if there where no Rottweilers in this case there would still be a pony. Humans where no where around when this happened. Also how many dog attack stories do you read about involving Golden Retrivers or cocker spaniels ? Yes none
Kirsty, Scotland says...
11:46am Tue 29 Apr 08
I feel dreadful for the poor pony, and I do agree that the dogs needed to be put down. However, I don't agree with the all out hate campaign now being raged against the Rottweiler breed. It is the OWNERS that are to blame. The owner of these dogs obviously didn't socialise and train them, he/she also didn't keep them secure and left them to roam and attack the poor pony.
I hope that the owner of the dogs is found and made accountable for his dogs actions. However, I really do not agree with a blanket ban on any breed. I do not own Rotties, but own German Shepherds and working sheepdogs. All my dogs are socialised, trained to a high standard and are given a job to do. I am a responsible dog owner, who takes owning a dog very seriously. There are too many bad breeders, breeding simply for profit without any thought to temperament and will sell to anyone, without regard to whether the prospective owner has the time, knowledge and understanding to have such a dog. This is when the problems occur.
Rottweilers make excellent pets and working dogs - if bred, raised and treated correctly. They need socialising and training - just like every other breed of dog.
I hope that the owner of the dogs is found and made accountable for his dogs actions. However, I really do not agree with a blanket ban on any breed. I do not own Rotties, but own German Shepherds and working sheepdogs. All my dogs are socialised, trained to a high standard and are given a job to do. I am a responsible dog owner, who takes owning a dog very seriously. There are too many bad breeders, breeding simply for profit without any thought to temperament and will sell to anyone, without regard to whether the prospective owner has the time, knowledge and understanding to have such a dog. This is when the problems occur.
Rottweilers make excellent pets and working dogs - if bred, raised and treated correctly. They need socialising and training - just like every other breed of dog.
c.taylor, surrey says...
12:03pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Where were the owners of the dogs,if they had been confined properly this would never have happened,dog owners fault,you cannot lay blame with animals,they do not have human emotions,shame on the dogs owners for allowing this to happen,
alex, preston says...
12:30pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim in Wales...
I am a very good ambassador for staffy's, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her...
You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack!
These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs!
So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas...
so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned...
The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area!
so they end up in the papers...they get banned...
so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned...
see the cycle people?
We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding...
not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!!
you lot really are sooo blinkered...
Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!
I am a very good ambassador for staffy's, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her...
You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack!
These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs!
So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas...
so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned...
The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area!
so they end up in the papers...they get banned...
so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned...
see the cycle people?
We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding...
not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!!
you lot really are sooo blinkered...
Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!
caitrus, blackburn says...
12:37pm Tue 29 Apr 08
as i have previously stated - Dogs are not human beings, they do not know right from wrong and they do not speak english therefore it is up to the owner to take responsibility and train their dogs. Take them to puppy and socilasation classes.
Just like a human baby, it is innocent and pure, it does not know right from wrong or speak english so it is up to the parents to teach them.
How many times have we all read of a child vandalising something and everyone lays blame on the parents - well it's the same in animal cases they do not know unless shown!
a dog bites when it is scared and uses it's only defence method - it's teeth. Now if a dog has been brought up badly it will fear for it's safety and bite - this is why it is so important to bring them up the right way.
I have seen to many times a child pulling on a dogs ears or tail and the paretns of the child and owner of the dog allow it to happen. A dog cannot say please do not do that i don't like it - it will either snarl to give a warning to say stop or it will bite - now you tell me who is in the wrong?? Obviously the parents and the owner for allowing it to happen - not the dog!
How many people rub their dogs nose in it's wee if it's had an accident in the house or smack their dogs, or hit them with a slipper or newspaper - too many to count and it makes me sick! These are all reasons for a dog to bite as it will be defending itself - would you let someone smack you around all the time and not do anything about it??!!!!!
The issue remains that members of the public are continuining to buy from back yard breeders and puppy mills, pet stores - these puppies have been bred to make money not to better the breed so the people who are buying these puppies from these places are as much to blame for these recent attacks.
There are more ways to solve these problems however there are some of you that seem adamant to be ignorant to the facts and just believe what you read in the papers.
Tell me, why are there always pictures of rotties with their snarl on?? Would you have the same opinion of a cute labredor or collie with out it's teeth out?? the media should take some blame for your opinions. they are only telling you one side.
I have a Boxer dog and the reason they are called boxers is because they play with their front paws - 2 boxers playing together really do box each other and they are very vocal but as i said this is how they play. Just yesterday i saw a photo on this website of 2 boxer dogs PLAYING however the quote was something like - should all dangerous dogs be banned!!!
just because they are big dogs doesn't mean they are the most dangerous - any dog of any size have the potential to bite and cause damage if left in the wrong hands.
Just like a human baby, it is innocent and pure, it does not know right from wrong or speak english so it is up to the parents to teach them.
How many times have we all read of a child vandalising something and everyone lays blame on the parents - well it's the same in animal cases they do not know unless shown!
a dog bites when it is scared and uses it's only defence method - it's teeth. Now if a dog has been brought up badly it will fear for it's safety and bite - this is why it is so important to bring them up the right way.
I have seen to many times a child pulling on a dogs ears or tail and the paretns of the child and owner of the dog allow it to happen. A dog cannot say please do not do that i don't like it - it will either snarl to give a warning to say stop or it will bite - now you tell me who is in the wrong?? Obviously the parents and the owner for allowing it to happen - not the dog!
How many people rub their dogs nose in it's wee if it's had an accident in the house or smack their dogs, or hit them with a slipper or newspaper - too many to count and it makes me sick! These are all reasons for a dog to bite as it will be defending itself - would you let someone smack you around all the time and not do anything about it??!!!!!
The issue remains that members of the public are continuining to buy from back yard breeders and puppy mills, pet stores - these puppies have been bred to make money not to better the breed so the people who are buying these puppies from these places are as much to blame for these recent attacks.
There are more ways to solve these problems however there are some of you that seem adamant to be ignorant to the facts and just believe what you read in the papers.
Tell me, why are there always pictures of rotties with their snarl on?? Would you have the same opinion of a cute labredor or collie with out it's teeth out?? the media should take some blame for your opinions. they are only telling you one side.
I have a Boxer dog and the reason they are called boxers is because they play with their front paws - 2 boxers playing together really do box each other and they are very vocal but as i said this is how they play. Just yesterday i saw a photo on this website of 2 boxer dogs PLAYING however the quote was something like - should all dangerous dogs be banned!!!
just because they are big dogs doesn't mean they are the most dangerous - any dog of any size have the potential to bite and cause damage if left in the wrong hands.
Tim, Accy says...
1:08pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Ive got the solution. Ban all dogs they all sound like they are killers according to Lorna in Lanarkshire.
sharon, Huddersfield says...
1:22pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Danny Hally wrote:Dogs are dogs?! And only behaving like dogs?.... How many headlines do you read in papers that say 'Child killed by.... jack russell' mmmm not many! A jack russell is a dog too and they don't behave in that manner.The vicious breeds should be banned!
I wish I was reading about two dead dogs after the Horse kicked their heads off for attempting to attack, really I do. The sad thing is, the Horse probably, as is their nature, may have approached the dogs as they ran into the field to befriend them, only for those overgrown rats to attack him. I hope the owner gets to pay for this and dog owners to hang their heads in shame. Poor horse must have suffered terribly.
Tim, Accy says...
1:23pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Is there a need for any dogs in our society they all sound like killers according to Lorna?
Kel, Newcastle says...
1:42pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Ti m wrote:Wrong, just GR and Cocker attacks don't make good news, Rotties do. Do your research because tbh, you just sound like a completely uneducated fool. Cockers can sometimes have a genetic disposition called rage, they just attack and turn aggressive for no particular reason, it's a chemical imbalance, do rotties have this? No. Rottie attacks make news, cocker attacks don't. Labs are one of the most common in reposts of dogs attacks and they are not even kept for guard, they are kept for family pets. When a guard dog turns on someone it's to be expected really as they have never been socialised, how many of these rotties in the headlines that have attacked were family pets? None. How many were used for guarding purposes and not properly reared? ALL.
Lorna, The problem is the breed if there where no Rottweilers in this case there would still be a pony. Humans where no where around when this happened. Also how many dog attack stories do you read about involving Golden Retrivers or cocker spaniels ? Yes none
Wake up.
Amy, Bolton says...
1:44pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Jack Russels can be very savage, I once got a nasty nick on me ankle from one very painful
Kim, Wales says...
1:46pm Tue 29 Apr 08
alex wrote:Alex, only chav idiots refer to other people being morons.. How do you come to the conclusion that I am a Moron? Do you know me..?
Kim in Wales...
I am a very good ambassador for staffy\'s, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her...
You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack!
These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs!
So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas...
so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned...
The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area!
so they end up in the papers...they get banned...
so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned...
see the cycle people?
We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding...
not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!!
you lot really are sooo blinkered...
Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!
All I do know is more and more by the day dogs such as Staffords and Rotts are being held responsible for attacks, attacks that sometimes kill people and other animals..I stand by what I believe to be true, these dogs should not be owned as pets and people that are found out to be doing so should be registered in some way, licensed call it what you like. But these attacks have to stop and now before more people and animals are killed. I refuse to believe that all dogs responsible for such attacks are bred by back yard breeders and puppy farmers.
I do own a dog, a Dalmation, again a headstrong breed that needs the right kind of owner, but yet how many of these dogs do you see being reported in the news for vicious dog attacks?
The only ones that are blinkered are those on here looking at the dogs reported through rose tinted spectacles, every dog owner in the united kindom I believe should be forced to sit some sort of test to prove that they are capable of handling such breeds, then they should be issued with a licence to keep them, such dogs should not be walked off the lead in public areas and should be muzzled at ALL times! Dogs such as these that have managed to get loose in some way their owners should face the highest of penalties banned from keeping such breeds or face prison.
Tim, Accy says...
1:46pm Tue 29 Apr 08
As before Kel ban all dogs they all sound like killers. You cannot defend a breed of dog by saying oh well GR kill as well. If thats the case why are some breed of dogs already banned?
Kel, Newcastle says...
1:50pm Tue 29 Apr 08
sharon wrote:My pal lost her finger to a Jack Russel when she was a child, they can be very snappy and they have been reports of them killing children, just one a few months ago too, of course no-one gave a stuff as it was only a JR. fact is in the wrong hands one took my friends finger and it's just lucky it was a JR, a Rottie in those same hands could have killed, purely because it is a bigger dog.
Danny Hally wrote:Dogs are dogs?! And only behaving like dogs?.... How many headlines do you read in papers that say \'Child killed by.... jack russell\' mmmm not many! A jack russell is a dog too and they don\'t behave in that manner.The vicious breeds should be banned!
I wish I was reading about two dead dogs after the Horse kicked their heads off for attempting to attack, really I do. The sad thing is, the Horse probably, as is their nature, may have approached the dogs as they ran into the field to befriend them, only for those overgrown rats to attack him. I hope the owner gets to pay for this and dog owners to hang their heads in shame. Poor horse must have suffered terribly.
Educate yourself before you pass judgement.
Lorna, Lanarkshire says...
1:56pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Ti m,just what I expected, gave you the benefit of the doubt. I am not surprised with you retort, it was too much to expect that you would actually try and make an educated comment.Do you read anything?? It was you who raised the point of the Retrievers and the Cocker Spaniels and when I give you an educated answer you resort to throwing out your dummy. It is opinions like this that lead to no solution. Take your blinkers off and try to see the real world.
Ive got the solution. Ban all dogs they all sound like they are killers according to Lorna in Lanarkshire.
shona, stirling says...
2:00pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Ti m wrote:Hi Lorna, I think if there were no Rottweilers, sadly we would still be reading similar things but the headline may read, Boerboel's kill pony or some other breed, People would just replace one breed of Guard dog with another, over the years we have seen, GSD's, Pit bulls, Staffies, Akitas, Mastiffs,,all in the press for having attacked,
Lorna, The problem is the breed if there where no Rottweilers in this case there would still be a pony. Humans where no where around when this happened. Also how many dog attack stories do you read about involving Golden Retrivers or cocker spaniels ? Yes none
People should invest in good Alarm Systems not dogs, If you have dogs patroling your business or home, you should be licenced to do so with yearly checks made to assure they are proplerly contained,
If you have a guard dog {or attempt to use that as the reason for the dogs behaviour,} with no licence/insurance, then people should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, all guard dogs should be insured, which at least would give the victim whatever they need, be it treatment for injurys, counciling, I dont see why people should be scared by dogs and not have the private treatment needed to reduce the scaring.
alex, preston says...
2:02pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:you seem very blinkered sweetheart!
alex wrote: Kim in Wales... I am a very good ambassador for staffy\\\'s, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her... You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack! These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs! So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas... so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned... The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area! so they end up in the papers...they get banned... so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned... see the cycle people? We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding... not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!! you lot really are sooo blinkered... Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!Alex, only chav idiots refer to other people being morons.. How do you come to the conclusion that I am a Moron? Do you know me..? All I do know is more and more by the day dogs such as Staffords and Rotts are being held responsible for attacks, attacks that sometimes kill people and other animals..I stand by what I believe to be true, these dogs should not be owned as pets and people that are found out to be doing so should be registered in some way, licensed call it what you like. But these attacks have to stop and now before more people and animals are killed. I refuse to believe that all dogs responsible for such attacks are bred by back yard breeders and puppy farmers. I do own a dog, a Dalmation, again a headstrong breed that needs the right kind of owner, but yet how many of these dogs do you see being reported in the news for vicious dog attacks? The only ones that are blinkered are those on here looking at the dogs reported through rose tinted spectacles, every dog owner in the united kindom I believe should be forced to sit some sort of test to prove that they are capable of handling such breeds, then they should be issued with a licence to keep them, such dogs should not be walked off the lead in public areas and should be muzzled at ALL times! Dogs such as these that have managed to get loose in some way their owners should face the highest of penalties banned from keeping such breeds or face prison.
dalmations are NOT seeing as tough dogs so wont be owned by these idiot MORONS (ooops there i go again!)
Just wait until your breed ends up in the paper...you wont be so quick to condemn will you!
Kel, Newcastle says...
2:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Because of public outcry like this, and it will just move from breed to breed 'til they are all banned. It solves nothing.
As before Kel ban all dogs they all sound like killers. You cannot defend a breed of dog by saying oh well GR kill as well. If thats the case why are some breed of dogs already banned?
Yes in teh wrong hands any dog can be a hazard, but the reason they shouldn't be banned is because in the right hands any dog can be a loyal and loving companion. Works both ways.
Kim, Wales says...
2:26pm Tue 29 Apr 08
alex wrote:Alex, first of all I am not your sweetheart, secondly I am not blinkered. I dred to think what kind of world you live in, because believe me it is not the real one.
Kim wrote:you seem very blinkered sweetheart!
alex wrote: Kim in Wales... I am a very good ambassador for staffy\\\'s, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her... You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack! These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs! So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas... so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned... The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area! so they end up in the papers...they get banned... so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned... see the cycle people? We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding... not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!! you lot really are sooo blinkered... Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!Alex, only chav idiots refer to other people being morons.. How do you come to the conclusion that I am a Moron? Do you know me..? All I do know is more and more by the day dogs such as Staffords and Rotts are being held responsible for attacks, attacks that sometimes kill people and other animals..I stand by what I believe to be true, these dogs should not be owned as pets and people that are found out to be doing so should be registered in some way, licensed call it what you like. But these attacks have to stop and now before more people and animals are killed. I refuse to believe that all dogs responsible for such attacks are bred by back yard breeders and puppy farmers. I do own a dog, a Dalmation, again a headstrong breed that needs the right kind of owner, but yet how many of these dogs do you see being reported in the news for vicious dog attacks? The only ones that are blinkered are those on here looking at the dogs reported through rose tinted spectacles, every dog owner in the united kindom I believe should be forced to sit some sort of test to prove that they are capable of handling such breeds, then they should be issued with a licence to keep them, such dogs should not be walked off the lead in public areas and should be muzzled at ALL times! Dogs such as these that have managed to get loose in some way their owners should face the highest of penalties banned from keeping such breeds or face prison.
dalmations are NOT seeing as tough dogs so wont be owned by these idiot MORONS (ooops there i go again!)
Just wait until your breed ends up in the paper...you wont be so quick to condemn will you!
When are you going to face facts and realise that every single day your kind of breed and those just like them are reported in the news everyday for fatal dog attacks..It is like trying to show pearls to a swine.
Tim, Accy says...
2:51pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Lets ban cats as well whilst we are at it they are bad when they kill mice. Who is standing up for the mice, why are ponys so special anyways what was it doing wandering around its field in the dead of night.
Kel, Newcastle says...
2:53pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:But it's teh reason WHY they are in the news more than others, because this is the reaction they get, if it were a dally or poodle or a collie, it wouldn't get the same reaction, so they don't print it. Doesn't mean they don't attack.
alex wrote:Alex, first of all I am not your sweetheart, secondly I am not blinkered. I dred to think what kind of world you live in, because believe me it is not the real one.
Kim wrote:you seem very blinkered sweetheart!
alex wrote: Kim in Wales... I am a very good ambassador for staffy\\\\\\\'s, i have a well socialised dog who is obediant and loving and has never given cause for concern,she is spayed, chipped and vaccinated and fed a very good diet and exercised 45mins a day and i clean up after her... You however dont know this so i will forgive your narrow minded stereotypical attack! These breed feature highly in the press because of chavvy idiots who think they are a hard dog! and dont look after or train them!and buy them from idiots who breed their dogs season after season with no thought to health or temprament just pound signs! So ok, we ban staffys, rottweillers, akitas... so then they go out and get a mastiff...they appear in the news...they get banned... The nxt breed, ooh lets go for a labrador...ever been bitten by a lab kim? i have and it b***** hurt!it went to atack my staffy and has subsequently attacked another four people in the area! so they end up in the papers...they get banned... so on and so forth! until you nazis get your way and only the wee chihuahuas are left , until a badly bred one rips the face off a child ...then they are banned... see the cycle people? We need to stop these morons owning dogs full stop!! only that will stop the attacks, that and PROPER breeding... not the backyard breeders who sell their pups for £100 in the local paper!!! you lot really are sooo blinkered... Once you all educate yourselves to the facts..ONLY then can you comment!Alex, only chav idiots refer to other people being morons.. How do you come to the conclusion that I am a Moron? Do you know me..? All I do know is more and more by the day dogs such as Staffords and Rotts are being held responsible for attacks, attacks that sometimes kill people and other animals..I stand by what I believe to be true, these dogs should not be owned as pets and people that are found out to be doing so should be registered in some way, licensed call it what you like. But these attacks have to stop and now before more people and animals are killed. I refuse to believe that all dogs responsible for such attacks are bred by back yard breeders and puppy farmers. I do own a dog, a Dalmation, again a headstrong breed that needs the right kind of owner, but yet how many of these dogs do you see being reported in the news for vicious dog attacks? The only ones that are blinkered are those on here looking at the dogs reported through rose tinted spectacles, every dog owner in the united kindom I believe should be forced to sit some sort of test to prove that they are capable of handling such breeds, then they should be issued with a licence to keep them, such dogs should not be walked off the lead in public areas and should be muzzled at ALL times! Dogs such as these that have managed to get loose in some way their owners should face the highest of penalties banned from keeping such breeds or face prison.
dalmations are NOT seeing as tough dogs so wont be owned by these idiot MORONS (ooops there i go again!)
Just wait until your breed ends up in the paper...you wont be so quick to condemn will you!
When are you going to face facts and realise that every single day your kind of breed and those just like them are reported in the news everyday for fatal dog attacks..It is like trying to show pearls to a swine.
And for the millionth time, these rotties which attack are GUARD DOGS, they are not kept as pets they are kept as weapons, if someone brought up a dally in the same way it would be just as dangerous, just people don't use dallys for that, so they aren't.
What do you not understand about that. These are not family pets or well adjusted dogs turning for no reason here, these are dogs brought up and trained to be viscious. They just happen to be rotties or staffies or dobes or the like, because people think they look the part and the media has helped drum it into narrow minded people's heads who don't know any better because they haven't been bothered to find out the truth about such breeds.
Tim, Accy says...
3:00pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Please stop copying the text we all have the ability to scrole you know and it looks rubbish.
Mary, Oldham says...
3:09pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Wish all dog owners cleaned up after there dogs. Park near me full of doggy poo.
Kim, Wales says...
3:16pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kel - Newcastle
Where does it say in the article that the rotties were infact guard dogs? Where?
Not all dogs that attack are guard dogs, most dogs that do attack are kept as family pets, which is all the more reason why something should be done to put a stop to things like this!
Where does it say in the article that the rotties were infact guard dogs? Where?
Not all dogs that attack are guard dogs, most dogs that do attack are kept as family pets, which is all the more reason why something should be done to put a stop to things like this!
Bill, Bury says...
3:19pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I think the pony was up to no good snooping round the Rottys lock up looking to steal somthing, carrots perhaps.
Bill, Bury says...
3:25pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Apparently the poor pony was white, not a good colour to go on the rob in the dead of night. Poor thing probably just hungrey.
alex, preston says...
3:34pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim...
If im a "swine" i dread to thik what you may be perceived as!
People are not addressing the reason...
You could put any breed of dog in the hands of an idiot and it can be turned vicous!
It is the media's portrayal of these breeds that perpetuate it!...sorry kim in case you didnt know what that means it means to further the assumption...
anyway, these dogs arer chosen for this due to their image! not because they are born that way!
yet who wants to see a a fluffy loo roll cutey labrador atttacking?...no of course not so back to your wee blinkered caves!
If im a "swine" i dread to thik what you may be perceived as!
People are not addressing the reason...
You could put any breed of dog in the hands of an idiot and it can be turned vicous!
It is the media's portrayal of these breeds that perpetuate it!...sorry kim in case you didnt know what that means it means to further the assumption...
anyway, these dogs arer chosen for this due to their image! not because they are born that way!
yet who wants to see a a fluffy loo roll cutey labrador atttacking?...no of course not so back to your wee blinkered caves!
Lorna, says...
4:21pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:Would you as a dog owner not prefer tougher legislation on keeping a dog as a way to stop these attacks happening?Surely we should be trying to think of a better solution to stop any further attacks instead of blankets bans on any breed. At the moment no-one has mentioned banning Dalmations but in the wrong hands they too have the potential to cause harm. I would hate for them to be the next breed on the witch hunt list. So instead of saying ' I am OK cause its not my chosen breed they are after' lets try and solve the issues. Dogs deserve better.
Kel - Newcastle Where does it say in the article that the rotties were infact guard dogs? Where? Not all dogs that attack are guard dogs, most dogs that do attack are kept as family pets, which is all the more reason why something should be done to put a stop to things like this!
shona, stirling says...
4:31pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:It says the dogs escaped from a compound, which would make them guard dogs, its not like they escaped the garden or house, its a compound,
Kel - Newcastle Where does it say in the article that the rotties were infact guard dogs? Where? Not all dogs that attack are guard dogs, most dogs that do attack are kept as family pets, which is all the more reason why something should be done to put a stop to things like this!
Jackie, Redcar says...
4:42pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:So what exactly do you consider a large powerful breed then Kim? Obviously that will depend on how big or small a person is! That is how ridiculous your statement is! Newfoundlands are big and powerful, leonbergers also. Do you want these banned as well. What an idiotic statement that is. All that needs controlling is backyard breeders which is obviously what you meant to say in your above post as you couldn't possibly mean that responsible breeders interbreed. Quit tarring everyone with the same brush and do some research before you go into 'burn the witch' mode!
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!!
The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me.
Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
Charles, London says...
4:46pm Tue 29 Apr 08
The easy solution would be to ban all dogs, bar say the police force (providing they kept them away from the police horses). This is the new terror facing our land. There's only so much damage a handful of religious fanatics can cause, but there are millions of dogs, all waiting to turn and attack. We should act now and ban all dogs.
Dan Young, Manchester says...
4:50pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I hope you've all patted a horse today out of respect. I know I have.
Dan Davis, Manchester says...
4:54pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Charles wrote:Yes, totally agree with everything you say there.
The easy solution would be to ban all dogs, bar say the police force
(providing they kept them away from the police horses). This is the new
terror facing our land. There's only so much damage a handful of
religious fanatics can cause, but there are millions of dogs, all
waiting to turn and attack. We should act now and ban all dogs.
Notice on Sky News they have a story on another attack by these horrible animals that killed a young child. There's hundreds of responses calling for the same ban on their comment section.
BAN THESE DANGEROUS BEASTS.
Kim, Wales says...
6:55pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Jackie wrote:How many Newfoundlands, or Leonbergers go on the attack? Gosh get a grip - Staffords and Rotts kill people/children/babi
Kim wrote:So what exactly do you consider a large powerful breed then Kim? Obviously that will depend on how big or small a person is! That is how ridiculous your statement is! Newfoundlands are big and powerful, leonbergers also. Do you want these banned as well. What an idiotic statement that is. All that needs controlling is backyard breeders which is obviously what you meant to say in your above post as you couldn't possibly mean that responsible breeders interbreed. Quit tarring everyone with the same brush and do some research before you go into 'burn the witch' mode!
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!!
The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me.
Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
es...They need to be banned now or at least put on some kind of register.
Kim, Wales says...
7:07pm Tue 29 Apr 08
alex wrote:I do not assume anything, I watch the news everyday and get totally fed up with seeing these kind of attacks and I would think the majority of decent sane people do too. Why don't you bugger off back to that virtual playground that you have come from, sit and rub your hands with glee, writing your stupid poems and insults like the rest of the children you seem to be friends with who see no harm with the defending of these breeds. Enough said.
Kim...
If im a \"swine\" i dread to thik what you may be perceived as!
People are not addressing the reason...
You could put any breed of dog in the hands of an idiot and it can be turned vicous!
It is the media\'s portrayal of these breeds that perpetuate it!...sorry kim in case you didnt know what that means it means to further the assumption...
anyway, these dogs arer chosen for this due to their image! not because they are born that way!
yet who wants to see a a fluffy loo roll cutey labrador atttacking?...no of course not so back to your wee blinkered caves!
alex, preston says...
7:12pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim grow up, have you ever thought that this "virtual playground" is the home of MANY responsible dog owners seeking education and advice...somethnig you are obviously not seeking!
You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?
You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?
Jackie, 138-779 says...
7:20pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:Errrm...I think you have just contradicted yourself. Your own post calls for a ban on all powerful large breeds as above. I was being ironic which you have obviously missed. It's not me who needs to get the grip, it's you who needs to be careful how you word your posts!
Jackie wrote:How many Newfoundlands, or Leonbergers go on the attack? Gosh get a grip - Staffords and Rotts kill people/children/babi
Kim wrote:So what exactly do you consider a large powerful breed then Kim? Obviously that will depend on how big or small a person is! That is how ridiculous your statement is! Newfoundlands are big and powerful, leonbergers also. Do you want these banned as well. What an idiotic statement that is. All that needs controlling is backyard breeders which is obviously what you meant to say in your above post as you couldn\\\'t possibly mean that responsible breeders interbreed. Quit tarring everyone with the same brush and do some research before you go into \\\'burn the witch\\\' mode!
This is all starting to happen much too often, especially where large and powerful breeds are concerned, Rotties, Staffies...BAN THEM ALL!!!!
The blame purely lies with people who think they know what they are doing and clearly don\\\\\\\'t! Blame the breeders of theses dogs for years worth of producing dogs, sister to brother matings, father to daughter matings, line breeding call it what you like, after years of doing such things I am not surprised breeds like this are in such a mess and attacking anything within their path. It happens with people whom have come from such backgrounds, says it all for me.
Every breeder should be licenced, every puppy chipped before leaving the breeder, so not only the owners of such dogs be traced, so should the breeders for producing dangerous animals, boths should be held fully liable and responsible for such attacks!
es...They need to be banned now or at least put on some kind of register.
Kim, Wales says...
7:25pm Tue 29 Apr 08
alex wrote:Why would I want to seek education or advice, especially when the likes of your 'chav' self is sat on there
Kim grow up, have you ever thought that this \"virtual playground\" is the home of MANY responsible dog owners seeking education and advice...somethnig you are obviously not seeking!
You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?
I don't think I need to justify what will happen when a Dally attacks, it's not happened yet, so your jumping the gun and hypothetically speaking..LOL
On the Fence, In the Garden says...
7:28pm Tue 29 Apr 08
These dogs were in the wrong, the owners of the dogs were in the wrong, that does not mean the entire breed was in the wrong. Rottweilers get a raw deal because of the press. People would do well to Google a few dog bite stats, as the most bites and maulings come from Mongrels and Family Labradors. People should be more concerned with the amount of all these Ridiculous Inuit Mongrels, Wolf Lookalikes and wolf hybrids that are puppy farmed everywhere and anywhere. Why the moronic media stil chastise the whole breed as devil dogs is beyond me, they are dogs. Will everyone who has a dog that nips someone then condemn their entire breed ? I doubt it. They all just want a scapegoat. If the Rottweiler is Banned, which breed will they target next ? It could be yours !
Jackie, Redcar says...
7:30pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:I think you'll find you do have to justify your wild comments. Come on, what are you scared of? Have a proper debate with intelligent people or is that too much for your feeble mind to comprehend? I for one am finished with you. It's people like you who throw wild accusations around that will send this country down the pan. Now go and play nicely with your toys in a corner.
alex wrote:Why would I want to seek education or advice, especially when the likes of your \'chav\' self is sat on there
Kim grow up, have you ever thought that this \\\"virtual playground\\\" is the home of MANY responsible dog owners seeking education and advice...somethnig you are obviously not seeking!
You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?
I don\'t think I need to justify what will happen when a Dally attacks, it\'s not happened yet, so your jumping the gun and hypothetically speaking..LOL
Kim, Wales says...
7:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Jackie wrote:Oh dear, touch a raw nerve did I...
Kim wrote:I think you'll find you do have to justify your wild comments. Come on, what are you scared of? Have a proper debate with intelligent people or is that too much for your feeble mind to comprehend? I for one am finished with you. It's people like you who throw wild accusations around that will send this country down the pan. Now go and play nicely with your toys in a corner.
alex wrote:Why would I want to seek education or advice, especially when the likes of your \'chav\' self is sat on there
Kim grow up, have you ever thought that this \\\"virtual playground\\\" is the home of MANY responsible dog owners seeking education and advice...somethnig you are obviously not seeking!
You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?
I don\'t think I need to justify what will happen when a Dally attacks, it\'s not happened yet, so your jumping the gun and hypothetically speaking..LOL
I don't have to justify anything especially to the likes of folk that have nothing better to do than to defend dog breeds that should be BANNED, full stop!
I am not going to comment anymore it's clear I'm preaching to the deaf. I will pray however for the ones in defence of these breeds in the hope that there nearest or dearest are never party to such attacks, or worst killed by the very beasts they allow into their homes.
alex, preston says...
7:38pm Tue 29 Apr 08
kim, i am as far from a chav as you could meet, i dont sit on my ar8e claiming benefits with a tough looking dog and 8 children by the age of 20!I am also highly educated to 1st class honours in neuropsychology and biology so obviouosly have some modicum of intelligence unlike yourself!
so once you hve dragged your IQ into positive figures, feel free to debate like an adult!
so once you hve dragged your IQ into positive figures, feel free to debate like an adult!
T, Devon says...
7:50pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I don't believe it ! Here you go Kim sweetie, choke on the Real News : http://findarticles.
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4176/is_20070408/ai_
n18998549 Shame you're so blinkered about your own breed to see what's going on in the real world. As soon as the Gov have and use the power of listening to idiots about banning breeds, they will start to ban every breed that ever bites, including YOURS ! Get a grip, do some research and stop trying preach to those more intelligent than yourself !
com/p/articles/mi_qn
4176/is_20070408/ai_
n18998549 Shame you're so blinkered about your own breed to see what's going on in the real world. As soon as the Gov have and use the power of listening to idiots about banning breeds, they will start to ban every breed that ever bites, including YOURS ! Get a grip, do some research and stop trying preach to those more intelligent than yourself !
Lorna, says...
7:51pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:Instead of jumping up and down in the corner, why don't you educate yourself. By making all these big statements, you are showing yourself to be ignorant. You are the sort of person the media love, gullible. So keep on buying the newspapers and believing the hype because that is so much easier than finding out the facts.
Jackie wrote:Oh dear, touch a raw nerve did I... I don\'t have to justify anything especially to the likes of folk that have nothing better to do than to defend dog breeds that should be BANNED, full stop! I am not going to comment anymore it\'s clear I\'m preaching to the deaf. I will pray however for the ones in defence of these breeds in the hope that there nearest or dearest are never party to such attacks, or worst killed by the very beasts they allow into their homes.Kim wrote:I think you\'ll find you do have to justify your wild comments. Come on, what are you scared of? Have a proper debate with intelligent people or is that too much for your feeble mind to comprehend? I for one am finished with you. It\'s people like you who throw wild accusations around that will send this country down the pan. Now go and play nicely with your toys in a corner.alex wrote: Kim grow up, have you ever thought that this \\\\\\\"virtual playground\\\\\\\" is the home of MANY responsible dog owners seeking education and advice...somethnig you are obviously not seeking! You have still not answered what will happen when a dalmatian attacks? will you condemn your own dog?Why would I want to seek education or advice, especially when the likes of your \\\'chav\\\' self is sat on there I don\\\'t think I need to justify what will happen when a Dally attacks, it\\\'s not happened yet, so your jumping the gun and hypothetically speaking..LOL
Geraldine Baseley, Hampshire says...
8:28pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I added a comment earlier in defense of Rotweillers, I do not own a Rotweillers, I have no bias to the breed. The responsibility lies with the owners who buy these dogs with the purpose of them guarding, therefore not wanting them to be social. The case of the child which is in the paper today is an old case not a new one, again dogs bought to guard, left by the owners whilst away and the parents left the dogs alone with the child. I used to have Afghan hounds, I had six when I bought my prematue baby home, I got them used to her and she grew up to love them and them her but if I had left them alone with her when I first bought her home anything could have happened. Blame the irresponsible owners,not the dogs and the irresponsible breeders who do not care whose hands these dogs fall. It would be more productive to make anyone wanting a dog to guard premises to have a license and for security of these dogs to be paramount.
Anne-Marie, Cumbria says...
9:38pm Tue 29 Apr 08
It is a tragedy that could have been avoided and I sympathize with the owner of the horse and pity what the animal went through. A whole breed cannot be condemned by the actions of a few. I would like to point out that over 300 Rottweilers were shown at Crufts this year and nobody was maimed, injured or killed by one. Every one of them had to have their teeth examined and body gone over as part of showing. IF they were ALL vicious/devil dogs NONE of these could be shown! I own a Rottie, he is well socialized and obedient and a pleasure to own. The FACTS are ANY dog can be deemed dangerous if untrained and unsocialized. Most of these incidents involve untrained dogs, dogs that have had no socialization and are with entirely unsuitable owners. They are a powerful and independent breed which require training and an owner willing to undertake this training, too many fall into wrong hands
Sarah, says...
9:49pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Tony wrote:You need to face the facts that stupid people own dogs to and they like to make them aggressive, wether it's a rotti or a different breed.
To all the people whoi say stop blaming the breed. The Rottweiler is not in the number two spot of most dangerous dogs for nothing. Facts dont lie people face up to them
sarah-jane, says...
9:52pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim wrote:What a load of rubbish I have a goldie and I am defending the breed any breed of dog need defending from you small minded lot.
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them.
Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes.
Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
alex, preston says...
9:58pm Tue 29 Apr 08
lee wrote:give me one sensible answer why?
all rottweilers should be hung with their owners best place for them.
or is that too hard for you to think about!
T, Devon says...
10:17pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kim, what do you mean by 'breeds like these' ? Please explain, breeds like what ?
Kirstie Shiba, Bristol says...
10:19pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Firstly - i do not own a rottweiler, i have never owned a rottweiler and just to make things very clear i have no intentions of owning one in the future.
Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY.
All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening.
All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY.
All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening.
All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
T, Devon says...
10:27pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kirstie Shiba wrote:*APPLAUSE* Well said. STOP the Puppy farmers and Back Yard Breeders from selling bad quality/bad temperament dogs to just ANYONE unsuitable. It's the Government you should be attacking for allowing it, not the dogs !
Firstly - i do not own a rottweiler, i have never owned a rottweiler and just to make things very clear i have no intentions of owning one in the future. Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY. All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening. All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
T, Devon says...
10:28pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kirstie Shiba wrote:*APPLAUSE* Well said. STOP the Puppy farmers and Back Yard Breeders from selling bad quality/bad temperament dogs to just ANYONE unsuitable. It's the Government you should be attacking for allowing it, not the dogs !
Firstly - i do not own a rottweiler, i have never owned a rottweiler and just to make things very clear i have no intentions of owning one in the future. Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY. All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening. All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
T, Devon says...
10:29pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kirstie Shiba wrote:*APPLAUSE* Well said. STOP the Puppy farmers and Back Yard Breeders from selling bad quality/bad temperament dogs to just ANYONE unsuitable. It's the Government you should be attacking for allowing it, not the dogs !
Firstly - i do not own a rottweiler, i have never owned a rottweiler and just to make things very clear i have no intentions of owning one in the future. Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY. All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening. All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
Nicola, says...
10:33pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Kirstie Shiba wrote:Absolutely spot-on! What more can I say!
Firstly - i do not own a rottweiler, i have never owned a rottweiler and just to make things very clear i have no intentions of owning one in the future. Now thats clear, my views are. I am a dog lover and have many many friends with dogs, visit dog shows etc. I have been bitten 2 times in my life by dogs. It was not that rottweiler that we all see in newspapers, baring its large teeth it was a collie and a newfoundland. Should we put these breeds down as well - NO WE SHOULD SORT OUT THE BACK YARD BREEDERS THAT TOOK NO CARE IN BREEDING BAD QUALITY DOGS WITH LITTLE CARE FOR HEALTH ISSUES AND THE IDIOTS THAT OWNED THEM AND COULD NOT CONTROL OR SOCIALISE THESE DOGS PROPERLY. All dogs have teeth and can do major damage to animal/human or child it is the responsibility of the owners of dogs to make sure they are socialised and trained to prevent these sorts of things happening. All this hype does is encourage the wrong people to purchase a rottweilers because the papers say it is a devil dog and makes them look hard. I think any dog in these types of owners hands would turn bad from the abuse and neglect they normally suffer in these circumstances.
Neil, Blackpool says...
11:01pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I am flabbergasted at some of these posts. Whether we choose to believe so or not (btw,I own a dog a Rottweiler) any breed of dog is unpredictable and any owner that says otherwise is very,very STUPID. R.I.P poor pony.
shona, stirling says...
11:34pm Tue 29 Apr 08
F.A.O KIM
http://www.thisissal
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http://news.bbc.co.u
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http://findarticles.
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KILL ALL DALMATIONS,,
all dogs bite,,even dalmations,,sorry to burst your bubble
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http://news.bbc.co.u
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http://findarticles.
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KILL ALL DALMATIONS,,
all dogs bite,,even dalmations,,sorry to burst your bubble
Rips, North Yorks says...
12:10am Wed 30 Apr 08
God I can't believe what I'm reading, it really has reaffirmed my belief that the majority of the general public are all total numpties! lol Ban a breed?! Get real! So what exactly do you think will happen once a particular breed is banned, that the chavs will all go "oh well, that breed's banned, lets go and play on the Playstation!"???? Err, nope! The chavs will just go out and find another breed to torment and ill treat, then that one will get banned, so they'll find another and so on and so on........
I tell you what, lets ban children! That way they won't grow up into irresponsible adults that will irresponsibly breed and mistreat these poor dogs! If you are stupid enough to believe everything you read in the newspaper and see on the TV then god help you!
At the end of the day Rotties are the same as every other breed - if they are bred correctly, socialised and well nurtured then they'll gorw to be loving family pets.
For me all the hyped comments of dogs being pure evil and that they should be strung up show what's wrong with people today - they're all too wrapped up in what the media feeds them. Step away from the TV and step into the real world, only then will your comments be worth anything at all!
I tell you what, lets ban children! That way they won't grow up into irresponsible adults that will irresponsibly breed and mistreat these poor dogs! If you are stupid enough to believe everything you read in the newspaper and see on the TV then god help you!
At the end of the day Rotties are the same as every other breed - if they are bred correctly, socialised and well nurtured then they'll gorw to be loving family pets.
For me all the hyped comments of dogs being pure evil and that they should be strung up show what's wrong with people today - they're all too wrapped up in what the media feeds them. Step away from the TV and step into the real world, only then will your comments be worth anything at all!
mel, baxeden says...
1:08am Wed 30 Apr 08
sarah-jane wrote:What utter rubbish.I own what is classed as a working breed in the Kennel club guidelines.
Kim wrote:What a load of rubbish I have a goldie and I am defending the breed any breed of dog need defending from you small minded lot.
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them.
Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes.
Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
No its not a rottie but boxers and have done for 20 odd years.you are telling me my breed along with countless others should be banned,it beggars belief
Tim, Blackburn says...
8:43am Wed 30 Apr 08
God all dog owners are stupid and stuck in the Iam right attitude. Your all so selfish thats why our parks are full of sh*t and the barking annoys so many. Will you all just grow up and be less selfish. You poor deluded people.
Tim, Blackburn says...
8:46am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also keeping dogs is just wrong. How can you be in love with these smell dirt animals. Its like a form of ****.
Jackie, Redcar says...
9:05am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Hmmmm...here we go again tarring people with the same brush. Seems to be that it's you that's deluded if you actually believe your above post! The selfish ones are the ones who reproduce continually and collect benefits all their lives without ever doing a hard days graft so wake up and smell the coffee mate!
God all dog owners are stupid and stuck in the Iam right attitude. Your all so selfish thats why our parks are full of sh*t and the barking annoys so many. Will you all just grow up and be less selfish. You poor deluded people.
You're a complete joke!
Tim, Blackburn says...
9:16am Wed 30 Apr 08
Look Jackie love, I bet when you go to work your dog gets left in the house till you come back. Dogs these days have become an accessory to our lifestyles in the old days they where used for something other than for our own pleasure. Iam sorry but dog ownership unless your say a sheep farmer is just plain selfish. Indeed the way you attach my earlier post with such ferosity like Iam an benefit, what has that got to do with the subject. I bet your dogs temprement is no better than your own.
alex, preston says...
9:33am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:have you ever thought that having children is COMPLETELY selfich as well...
Look Jackie love, I bet when you go to work your dog gets left in the house till you come back. Dogs these days have become an accessory to our lifestyles in the old days they where used for something other than for our own pleasure. Iam sorry but dog ownership unless your say a sheep farmer is just plain selfish. Indeed the way you attach my earlier post with such ferosity like Iam an benefit, what has that got to do with the subject. I bet your dogs temprement is no better than your own.
that child didnt ask to be born???/its for the parents own pleasure!
also our dogs are not dirty, and i know for a fact they dont bark all day and i clean up my dog ****!
You can expect an attack when you call our dogs filty animlas...
no go away to your little hovel!
alex, preston says...
9:34am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:forgot to say as well tim...
God all dog owners are stupid and stuck in the Iam right attitude. Your all so selfish thats why our parks are full of sh*t and the barking annoys so many. Will you all just grow up and be less selfish. You poor deluded people.
ever thought your jibbering annoys many????
Tim, Blackburn says...
9:49am Wed 30 Apr 08
"You can expect an attack when you call our dogs filthy animals" My point is made you dog ownes are as aggressive as your dogs and really Alex have you hand on heart cleaned up every single poo your dog has ever left.
shelley, lancashire says...
9:55am Wed 30 Apr 08
people often wonder when dogs get shot by farmers in local feilds this is exactly the reason why. dogs run free attacking lifestock or upsetting them. if those dogs had got to a child or evern adult this would be another case of a human being killed due to the result of dogs. well done officiers you did a good job but i think more should be done about breeds of dogs that are known to be violent. such as dangerous dog licenses for people who want to keep these as pets.
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alex, preston says...
10:06am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:yes Hand on heart i have,
"You can expect an attack when you call our dogs filthy animals" My point is made you dog ownes are as aggressive as your dogs and really Alex have you hand on heart cleaned up every single poo your dog has ever left.
What people dont seem to see, is when we are walking our dogs...the abuse we get,
My staffy is the gentlest cuddliest girl you could meet, welcoming to strangers, loves kids...yet we have been attacked multiple times by a group of labradors, giant schnauzer and a terrier...i've been bitten, others have been bitten many times by the same dogs...
So i try my best to set a good example for my breed...
I have trained her well, socialised her, cleaned up after her, had her speyed and chipped because i want to prove to everyone else that my dog and my breed is a good breed...
Im not a council estate chav who wants to look hard! i want a loving pet, and that she is!
Do people realise that staffys are one of the only breeds to have a good temprament around children in their breed standard?
no! they dont, they see a snarling image in the sun of all papers and beleive it!
There are many people like us who get abuse hurled at us! often by people who do not know dogs or think their little bundle of fluff is harmeless!(except when its jumping around trying to attack my dog!)
We get "aggressive" because we are so passionate!
What one thing Tim are you really passionate about?
Think of that and then think about what it is like to have people constantly slating you for it, attacking you and calling you thick and selfish for liking it!
Its not nice is it...
You dont like dogs? dont come near us and leave us alone....you'll find we leave you alone too!
As for banning dogs as they are killers...
Why not ban cars? they kill many more people than dogs...and we already have a licensing scheme for it!!
Wake up people...and lets all talk rationally like adults!
People always venture opinions when they know nothing about the subject...i wouldnt lecture a firefighter about how best to put out a fire as i know nothing about it, but i will defend my dogs as i know alot about them and have read the nice and the not nice facts about them!
Tim, Blackburn says...
10:17am Wed 30 Apr 08
Well alex I think you have made some valid sensible points there and you sound like your a sensible dog owner. I personaly dont like dogs but thats my view.
Tim, Blackburn says...
10:34am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also Alex I feel disgusted that people have hurled abuse at you, there is no need for that. Forums like this are the best focus for this kind of debate. I think you in your last post have changes my views in that yes I dont like dogs but you do and as we like in a democracy thank god you should be able to live your life as you wish. I shall no longer be calling to ban all dogs and I respect that dog owners have different views than my own but that doesnt make them wrong. I thank you alex for makeign your point sensible and with reason well done mate and good luck with the dogs.
Jackie, says...
10:47am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Firstly, I am not your love and secondly you know nothing about me, my lifestyle or that of my dog so put a sock in it until you have facts. By the way your grammar leaves a lot to be desired as well. As for people on benefit in my previous post, I was making a point by comparison regarding selfishness which you were obviously unable to comprehend. There is nothing wrong with my temperament or that of my dog. It's morons like yourself that make my posts ferocious (note the correct spelling Tim Love!)
Look Jackie love, I bet when you go to work your dog gets left in the house till you come back. Dogs these days have become an accessory to our lifestyles in the old days they where used for something other than for our own pleasure. Iam sorry but dog ownership unless your say a sheep farmer is just plain selfish. Indeed the way you attach my earlier post with such ferosity like Iam an benefit, what has that got to do with the subject. I bet your dogs temprement is no better than your own.
alex, preston says...
11:02am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Im glad,
Also Alex I feel disgusted that people have hurled abuse at you, there is no need for that. Forums like this are the best focus for this kind of debate. I think you in your last post have changes my views in that yes I dont like dogs but you do and as we like in a democracy thank god you should be able to live your life as you wish. I shall no longer be calling to ban all dogs and I respect that dog owners have different views than my own but that doesnt make them wrong. I thank you alex for makeign your point sensible and with reason well done mate and good luck with the dogs.
So long as i can change one persons view point im glad....
now for the other so many hundred thousand!
Tim, Blackburn says...
11:13am Wed 30 Apr 08
Jackie its not a spell bee on here you know. Also can you not put your point across with out attaching me such as Alex did. You may well get your point across better.
Jackie, Redcar says...
11:27am Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:My point has been made perfectly well thank you and as I recall it was you who attacked me. I'm done with you now mate. You have your blinkered opinions so off you go and taunt someone else. You're the one who has made yourself look silly here not me.
Jackie its not a spell bee on here you know. Also can you not put your point across with out attaching me such as Alex did. You may well get your point across better.
Tim, Blackburn says...
12:17pm Wed 30 Apr 08
This is what Jackie wrote earlier" think you'll find you do have to justify your wild comments. Come on, what are you scared of? Have a proper debate with intelligent people or is that too much for your feeble mind to comprehend? I for one am finished with you. It's people like you who throw wild accusations around that will send this country down the pan. Now go and play nicely with your toys in a corner." Iam detecting Jackie that you are unable to make your point sensible and what is all this Iam done with you now, Do you cast people aside because you cannot put your point across?
Jason, Devon says...
12:38pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I have read a few of the comments, got really fed up after a while, yet it seems the ones that are on the attack are the dog owners here.
The general Joe Public do not need eductating on such attacks especially when they have been done with such ferocity, grown ups being hurt and killed, children being hurt and killed, now we have defenceless animals being killed and with such savagery.
We do not need to read what is put in black and white, we see it being reported everyday on the news, whether it is being reported as right or wrong, attacks like these are reported moreorless everyday.
What is there to educate? Other than in normal Joe Public's eyes these dogs have no place in today's society, if it is a case of them being bred by backyard breeders, puppy farmers, or simply the wrong sort getting their hands on such dogs, then they should be banned or retricted from being owned, to end this madness.
How many more people, children or other animals have got to pay the price before someone steps in and actually does something, something that is workable and effective?
Things have gone much too far, there are too many people being reported as being hurt or much worse killed in attacks like these and although I agree it would seem harsh on the dogs that have been reared with the utmost care and responsibility, these kind of attacks are getting much too frequent for my liking and I would say for the majority of others who witness such events being reported on the news.
It is high time something was put forward to the government to not only help stamp out attacks like these, but to eradicate and stop those from undesirable backgrounds getting hold of these kinds of breeds that are used as threats or weapons.
The general Joe Public do not need eductating on such attacks especially when they have been done with such ferocity, grown ups being hurt and killed, children being hurt and killed, now we have defenceless animals being killed and with such savagery.
We do not need to read what is put in black and white, we see it being reported everyday on the news, whether it is being reported as right or wrong, attacks like these are reported moreorless everyday.
What is there to educate? Other than in normal Joe Public's eyes these dogs have no place in today's society, if it is a case of them being bred by backyard breeders, puppy farmers, or simply the wrong sort getting their hands on such dogs, then they should be banned or retricted from being owned, to end this madness.
How many more people, children or other animals have got to pay the price before someone steps in and actually does something, something that is workable and effective?
Things have gone much too far, there are too many people being reported as being hurt or much worse killed in attacks like these and although I agree it would seem harsh on the dogs that have been reared with the utmost care and responsibility, these kind of attacks are getting much too frequent for my liking and I would say for the majority of others who witness such events being reported on the news.
It is high time something was put forward to the government to not only help stamp out attacks like these, but to eradicate and stop those from undesirable backgrounds getting hold of these kinds of breeds that are used as threats or weapons.
Lorna, says...
12:39pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Tim wrote:Hi Ti m, do you call this sensible?
God all dog owners are stupid and stuck in the Iam right attitude. Your all so selfish thats why our parks are full of sh*t and the barking annoys so many. Will you all just grow up and be less selfish. You poor deluded people.
More to the point, does your mum know that you are playing with her computer?
Lorna, says...
12:52pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Jason wrote:If you had read more of the comments, you would have seen that it is the resposible dog owners who are asking for more legislation to stop things like this happening. I don't read about these attacks everyday, I read about children being shot and stabbed, fathers being kicked to death and heads being found on beaches......if you want to vent, do it in the right direction.
I have read a few of the comments, got really fed up after a while, yet it seems the ones that are on the attack are the dog owners here. The general Joe Public do not need eductating on such attacks especially when they have been done with such ferocity, grown ups being hurt and killed, children being hurt and killed, now we have defenceless animals being killed and with such savagery. We do not need to read what is put in black and white, we see it being reported everyday on the news, whether it is being reported as right or wrong, attacks like these are reported moreorless everyday. What is there to educate? Other than in normal Joe Public\'s eyes these dogs have no place in today\'s society, if it is a case of them being bred by backyard breeders, puppy farmers, or simply the wrong sort getting their hands on such dogs, then they should be banned or retricted from being owned, to end this madness. How many more people, children or other animals have got to pay the price before someone steps in and actually does something, something that is workable and effective? Things have gone much too far, there are too many people being reported as being hurt or much worse killed in attacks like these and although I agree it would seem harsh on the dogs that have been reared with the utmost care and responsibility, these kind of attacks are getting much too frequent for my liking and I would say for the majority of others who witness such events being reported on the news. It is high time something was put forward to the government to not only help stamp out attacks like these, but to eradicate and stop those from undesirable backgrounds getting hold of these kinds of breeds that are used as threats or weapons.
Jason, Devon says...
1:07pm Wed 30 Apr 08
As far as I was aware this is not a discussion about murderous acts being reported on the news, it is about dogs being dangerously out of control.
Lorna, says...
1:17pm Wed 30 Apr 08
As I have said, resposible dog owners have come up with solutions but knowone seems to want to know. Why should a whole breed be made to suffer because of human flaws. Again I do not read about these attacks everyday, when I do they are tragic. But behind every story is a human at fault and this is the point I wanted to make. Do you really believe banning is the way forward?
Lee, Durham says...
1:41pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I am astounded by some of the comments on here. Sounds like the media is doing its job and completely brainwashing the general public. My dogs in the last 6 months have been attacked by the following breeds, Lurcher, Jack Russell, Cocker Spaniel, Boxer and border collie, Alaskan Malamute and a Black Lab(which went for my 13 week old puppy. And my dogs should be banned because they are Rotts? At a show recently a 6 month old boxer came out of the ring and a Dalmation launched at it. In Sheffield recently a young boy was attacked by a corgi and gained miniscule press. Any Breed can attack. Dog Licensing should be brought in for ALL breeds. Why should I be made to pay for a license and other people down the street with their vicious Yorkie's JR's and Cockers not be? People really need to get their own opinion and stop letting the media give them it. Recently a headline stated a boy was attacked by a bull mastiff yet in the notes it was actually said to be a black and white cross terrier. When that man was wlking his rott down the street and was reported to have been attacked by his dog the media couldnt even bring themselves to print an apology or rebuttle when the post mortem found he died of natural causes and the dog indeed was trying to help his owner. But that dog was shot dead by the police all for trying to help. The police must be operating on a shoot first and ask questions later policy and it is all down to the media vilifying the breed and in alot of cases reporting fiction. Get a grip of reality people
Lynn, Essex says...
2:34pm Wed 30 Apr 08
John wrote:The last place I live is cloud cuckoo land all I am saying is the papers have not yet said the dogs were definately the cause.
Lynn your living in cloud chooko land love, quote the pony could have died of something else. The Dogs savaged it to dead I heard them
I take offence at your comment. Please don't call me love.I am not your love.
Jason, Devon says...
2:51pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I refuse to believe every case reported of where a dog attacks is down to human error, I believe *some* dogs are just born bad, just like some owners are bad owners now please take note that I have not mentioned the Rottweiler anywhere within the above.
Some breeds ought to be judged on the basis of what they were bred for, what purpose they serve and whether or not people should own them as pets or be responsible enough to do so, sort of like a grading system. People interested in such breeds should be forced to apply for a licence and then have to sit an ownership test to see whether or not they are capable of handling and owning breeds that are powerful. If they happen to fail the ownership test, the application for a licence to own such a breed gets turned down, simple.
Some breeds ought to be judged on the basis of what they were bred for, what purpose they serve and whether or not people should own them as pets or be responsible enough to do so, sort of like a grading system. People interested in such breeds should be forced to apply for a licence and then have to sit an ownership test to see whether or not they are capable of handling and owning breeds that are powerful. If they happen to fail the ownership test, the application for a licence to own such a breed gets turned down, simple.
Peter, Wales says...
2:51pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Ive heard it was a pantomime horse that got it in the neck.
Tom, Anywhere says...
3:26pm Wed 30 Apr 08
As horses say to one another.
Any friend of
yours is a palomino
Any friend of
yours is a palomino
Tom, God if this doesnt stop the comments nothing will says...
3:28pm Wed 30 Apr 08
This bloke takes his Rottweiler to the vet and says to him, "My dog's
cross-eyed. Is there anything you can do for him?"
"Well," say the vet, "Let's have a look at him."
So he picks the dog up and has a good look at its eyes. After pausing
for a while to think, the vet says, "I'm going to have to put him
down."
"Just because he's cross-eyed?" exclaims the bloke.
"No," replies the vet, "Because he's heavy."
cross-eyed. Is there anything you can do for him?"
"Well," say the vet, "Let's have a look at him."
So he picks the dog up and has a good look at its eyes. After pausing
for a while to think, the vet says, "I'm going to have to put him
down."
"Just because he's cross-eyed?" exclaims the bloke.
"No," replies the vet, "Because he's heavy."
lauren, says...
4:29pm Wed 30 Apr 08
your average labrador, poodle or any other dog has the potential to do exactly this- in the wrong hands. the only trouble with rotties as a breed is that they tend attract the wrong type of owner. Try being locked outside in the garden all day and your only attention being yelled at, you'd snap pretty soon- my neighbors rottweiler, after four years of that treatment, has not!
Kirstie Shiba, Bristol says...
5:00pm Wed 30 Apr 08
lauren wrote:I agree totally with this comment. When was the last time you saw the local drug dealer or hardman walking down the street with a dalmation on the end of a leed. You don't. They choose strong powerful breeds and neglect them and beat them etc. appalling. I think we should go back to the breeders of the pups who make there money selling these dogs to the scum. I also agree that all puppies should be microchipped at a few weeks old by law. Then we can go back and blame the owners and breeders in one fowl swoop. As a responsible dog owner (not rottweilers) i would happily agree to pass a test so that i could own a large dog in the future. My dogs are all microchipped anyway. But it is the scum in society who just wouldn't bother and get away with it. If we can trace the owners/breeders of these dogs and prosecute, i guarantee that it would stop all the misfits in our society breeding bad dogs for a quick buck!
your average labrador, poodle or any other dog has the potential to do exactly this- in the wrong hands. the only trouble with rotties as a breed is that they tend attract the wrong type of owner. Try being locked outside in the garden all day and your only attention being yelled at, you\'d snap pretty soon- my neighbors rottweiler, after four years of that treatment, has not!
DK, uk says...
7:50pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Kim wrote:I dont own a rottie , But I also agree they are a wonderful frindly loving breed in the right hands , But obviously they would not be in your hands dear as you imo are an iggnorant moron and you should be banned , as you are a complete ****
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them. Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes. Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
Darren, London says...
9:01pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I find dog owners to be some of the worst elements of our society. There is only one thing for it, remove dogs from our land and these fools who use them as surrogate children and status symbals will wake up.
Anne-Marie, Cumbria says...
10:07pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I am interested that none of the anti-dog/rottweiler brigade have had no comeback to my earlier post. Hmmm, is it because you cannot argue against the facts I've pointed out?
By the way, to the lady who said there have been no Golden Retriever or Cocker Spaniel attacks ever reported. You are quite wrong on that score, in fact Cocker Spaniels can get something called Rage Syndrome whereby they randomly attack out fo the blue, it is a well known fact that the red varieties can suffer from it. Golden Retrievers often bite as do labradors, it is a common misconception that these breeds are always docile and there have been several incidents of them both biting. Despite this they are commonly thought of as great family dogs.
Facts are some Rotts bite and attack, as do many, many other dogs. But when it is a Rottie or other guarding breed it makes for a much more sensationalist read and makes people believe they are all bad, as sadly very clearly illustrated on this thread.
By the way, to the lady who said there have been no Golden Retriever or Cocker Spaniel attacks ever reported. You are quite wrong on that score, in fact Cocker Spaniels can get something called Rage Syndrome whereby they randomly attack out fo the blue, it is a well known fact that the red varieties can suffer from it. Golden Retrievers often bite as do labradors, it is a common misconception that these breeds are always docile and there have been several incidents of them both biting. Despite this they are commonly thought of as great family dogs.
Facts are some Rotts bite and attack, as do many, many other dogs. But when it is a Rottie or other guarding breed it makes for a much more sensationalist read and makes people believe they are all bad, as sadly very clearly illustrated on this thread.
Kel, Newcastle says...
10:23pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Lee wrote:Very well said, i'd happily go with licencing all of my dogs and they are all microchipped anyway.
I am astounded by some of the comments on here. Sounds like the media is doing its job and completely brainwashing the general public. My dogs in the last 6 months have been attacked by the following breeds, Lurcher, Jack Russell, Cocker Spaniel, Boxer and border collie, Alaskan Malamute and a Black Lab(which went for my 13 week old puppy. And my dogs should be banned because they are Rotts? At a show recently a 6 month old boxer came out of the ring and a Dalmation launched at it. In Sheffield recently a young boy was attacked by a corgi and gained miniscule press. Any Breed can attack. Dog Licensing should be brought in for ALL breeds. Why should I be made to pay for a license and other people down the street with their vicious Yorkie\'s JR\'s and Cockers not be? People really need to get their own opinion and stop letting the media give them it. Recently a headline stated a boy was attacked by a bull mastiff yet in the notes it was actually said to be a black and white cross terrier. When that man was wlking his rott down the street and was reported to have been attacked by his dog the media couldnt even bring themselves to print an apology or rebuttle when the post mortem found he died of natural causes and the dog indeed was trying to help his owner. But that dog was shot dead by the police all for trying to help. The police must be operating on a shoot first and ask questions later policy and it is all down to the media vilifying the breed and in alot of cases reporting fiction. Get a grip of reality people
Was very sad about the man who's rottie was trying to help him and shot for his trouble as recently certain papers have dug up this old news (after this incident) and despite the post mortem results proving the truth, were still trying portray that the rottie had attacked his owner.
If anything, newspapers and TVs should be banned and then people would need to step into the real world an think for themselves, which evidently, is too much for some.
me, leeds says...
11:00pm Wed 30 Apr 08
My heart goes out to the horse owners. But I am absolutely gobsmacked by the horrible disgusting remarks that have been made on here. You belong in the school playground or do you work for the media? I could say which dogs bite the most but i'm not going to put certain breeds down coz they are not all the same. Have you ever asked yourselves why the dogs that hit the headlines are either guard dogs, compound dogs, yard dogs etc oh and another question i'm presuming you've all owned rotties to know so much about them or have you owned a dog at all?
Lynn, Northampton says...
11:26pm Wed 30 Apr 08
I posted a comment on here the other night and read most of the previous posts with interest. However, now people just seem to be slagging each other off and it's actually quite boring. it seems that many of you have forgotten the topic!
oh, and i'll stick with a cat me thinks! the only he trouble he seems to cause is crapping in other peoples gardens... (feel free to discuss! lol)
oh, and i'll stick with a cat me thinks! the only he trouble he seems to cause is crapping in other peoples gardens... (feel free to discuss! lol)
Kim, Wales says...
11:48am Thu 1 May 08
DK wrote:The only folk that should be banned from keeping animals are those who come on here acting aggressively, if you act like this on the web, I'd hate to think what you were all like when out in public with your dogs!
Kim wrote:I dont own a rottie , But I also agree they are a wonderful frindly loving breed in the right hands , But obviously they would not be in your hands dear as you imo are an iggnorant moron and you should be banned , as you are a complete ****
I note most of the people that have come on to defend theses dogs are the people that own these breeds, or, other powerful breeds like them, when animals do such things like this it really comes as no surprise to me when their very owners are on the attack! Classic case as the wrong sort getting their hands on the, the dogs do not stand a chance really with owners like them. Breeds such as these should be banned from being owned, I wholeheartedly agree it is happening all too often, kids being hurt or much more seriously killed, other dogs being hurt and killed and now a horse being killed, where will this all end before people start to take responsibility for what they allow to live in their homes. Dogs such as these should be restricted to those that work them such as the police, after all said and done they are working dogs, not pet dogs and owners that come on here defending such dogs need one serious shake up!
TONI, uk says...
12:18pm Thu 1 May 08
Everyone with one once of intellegence is entilted to own a dog, thats were it should stop.
Not everyone has that intellegence, and anyone fighting to ban all dog's so obviously don't have a dog hence the above statement.
All dog's are not the same some buite some don't.
All men are not the same so are nasty some are not.
shall we ban them also, and the women who are nasty.
Once again catch youre selves on not everyone treats the dog's so badly they end up nasty, not every dog is nasty, not every dog should be put to sleep becuse of stupid owner's.If the goverment bought in better law's to stop just anyone having a dog the uppy farmers would be out of buisness, the dog attacks would go down and you lot could moan about something else.
Not everyone has that intellegence, and anyone fighting to ban all dog's so obviously don't have a dog hence the above statement.
All dog's are not the same some buite some don't.
All men are not the same so are nasty some are not.
shall we ban them also, and the women who are nasty.
Once again catch youre selves on not everyone treats the dog's so badly they end up nasty, not every dog is nasty, not every dog should be put to sleep becuse of stupid owner's.If the goverment bought in better law's to stop just anyone having a dog the uppy farmers would be out of buisness, the dog attacks would go down and you lot could moan about something else.
DK, says...
12:34pm Thu 1 May 08
Its people like yourself with your negative vibes who have never owned nor had the pleasure of being in the company of such an amazing breed that slate them for what they are not , Honestly if you think i was being aggressive you really need to get out more hun, I am actually a very nice person , It just infurates the hell out of me when stupid people buy a breed they know nothing about , AND MAKE THEM PROTECTIVE to boost there own ego that gives this wonderful breed a bad name , I suggest you spend time in the company of a well trained rottie owned by a responsible person and then you will see what a wonderful gentle breed they are http://i179.photobuc
ket.com/albums/w311/
jukelee/Donkey.jpg a LITTLE iRISH GESTURE FOR YA HUN , lIGHTEN UP EH
ket.com/albums/w311/
jukelee/Donkey.jpg a LITTLE iRISH GESTURE FOR YA HUN , lIGHTEN UP EH
Kim, Wales says...
12:56pm Thu 1 May 08
DK wrote:A little information for all that choose to come on here and slag me off. I am now a woman in my late twenties, 13 years ago I was attacked by a Rottweiler that was owned by my auntie, nicest most placid dog you could ever wish to meet, it turned on my Auntie whilst she was placing a water bowl down after giving the dog a refill. Dragged her round the kitchen like a rag doll, bit so hard down into her shoulder it broke and cracked bones, she needed over 150 stitches to repair the wound. Me being young, foolish and silly tried to get the dog off her, I am now minus one of my arms which had to be amputated from the elbow, the surgeons couldn't save it. Now this was a family dog, no medical problems, seemed the perfect family pet could be trusted with children and well behaved. But turned for no reason.
Its people like yourself with your negative vibes who have never owned nor had the pleasure of being in the company of such an amazing breed that slate them for what they are not , Honestly if you think i was being aggressive you really need to get out more hun, I am actually a very nice person , It just infurates the hell out of me when stupid people buy a breed they know nothing about , AND MAKE THEM PROTECTIVE to boost there own ego that gives this wonderful breed a bad name , I suggest you spend time in the company of a well trained rottie owned by a responsible person and then you will see what a wonderful gentle breed they are http://i179.photobuc
ket.com/albums/w311/
jukelee/Donkey.jpg a LITTLE iRISH GESTURE FOR YA HUN , lIGHTEN UP EH
So those that preach to me that I have no idea of what breeds like this are capable of, I actually do. I will look forward to somesort of restriction being placed on them being owned as family pets.
I have no desire to spend anymore time in the company of a Rottweiler I was lucky enough to escape with my life the first time around.
shelley, lancashire says...
2:57pm Thu 1 May 08
it seems that the topic has been forgotten here. this is about another attack by a dangerous dog. may i remind you all that this isnt the first time and wont be the last.the little girl that got killed by the staff. a baby by 2 rottweillers on a pub roof and the attacks go on. it is also so strange that the same breeds keep coming up. rottweiller pit bull staffs. dont you think it is time to do something about it. yes i know people are going to reply about how nice there dog is but im not talking about YOUR dog am i. im talking about the dogs that people buy for status. they neglect or train to look intimidating. when will all this stop. not one dog or animal is born nasty it is the treatment it endures that it learns from. anything is cappable to bite but you also forget that the breeds as mentioned above are hunters there instinct is to hunt so get control or get rid.
i have a dog myself the most loving border collie cross but even i wouldnt leave her unnattented with another animal or child.
i have a dog myself the most loving border collie cross but even i wouldnt leave her unnattented with another animal or child.
Sal, Gloucestershire says...
6:12pm Thu 1 May 08
I honestly can't believe some of the comments on this board.We already have BSL active and in place in the UK,so those of you that are calling for breed bans and restrictions on certain breeds please tell me how the DDA/BSL will actually protect the public?It has failed to protect children and adults alike in the last 16 yrs.
I am the owner of two SBT's,we have 3 children that have grew up with this breed,staffords are a very people/children orientated breed.They are one of two breeds to have this written into the breed standard,Tradionally of indomitable courage and tenacity.Highly intelligent and affectionate,especia
lly with children.
You can't blame a whole breed for the actions of one or two dogs or that of their owners.
I am the owner of two SBT's,we have 3 children that have grew up with this breed,staffords are a very people/children orientated breed.They are one of two breeds to have this written into the breed standard,Tradionally of indomitable courage and tenacity.Highly intelligent and affectionate,especia
lly with children.
You can't blame a whole breed for the actions of one or two dogs or that of their owners.
Kim, Wales says...
9:12pm Thu 1 May 08
"Posted by: Sal, Gloucestershire on 6:12pm today You can't blame a whole breed for the actions of one or two dogs or that of their owners."
Attacks like this are happening all to frequently and it's usually dogs such as Staffies and Rotts that are nearly always responsible, ever so occasionally its down to other breeds also but not very often do those other breeds kill!
Attacks like this are happening all to frequently and it's usually dogs such as Staffies and Rotts that are nearly always responsible, ever so occasionally its down to other breeds also but not very often do those other breeds kill!
animal lover, bacup says...
10:00pm Thu 1 May 08
Walter Halow wrote:What a pompous comment! just because vanessa wrote 'it' you critisise her at this awful time, she and her daughter adored that poor little pony. as for the dogs, its a nature nurture thing, the more responsible and more in charge the owner the better behaved, tamer and safer the dog, its not all the dogs its a minority who revert to nature, and all breeds, bit like some kids go psycho such as herbert and harris. Its not fair to demonise all teenage CHAVS and its not fair to demonise all rotties.
If that is a geniune post, Vanessa, I'm a bit disturbed you would class your horse as an "it". As a horse owner, that does not sit well with me at all!
But these dogs deserved to be shot and their owners made to pay for this tragedy.
RIP little pony.x
Jason, Devon says...
10:16pm Thu 1 May 08
DK wrote:How grown up of you.
Its people like yourself with your negative vibes who have never owned nor had the pleasure of being in the company of such an amazing breed that slate them for what they are not , Honestly if you think i was being aggressive you really need to get out more hun, I am actually a very nice person , It just infurates the hell out of me when stupid people buy a breed they know nothing about , AND MAKE THEM PROTECTIVE to boost there own ego that gives this wonderful breed a bad name , I suggest you spend time in the company of a well trained rottie owned by a responsible person and then you will see what a wonderful gentle breed they are http://i179.photobuc
ket.com/albums/w311/
jukelee/Donkey.jpg a LITTLE iRISH GESTURE FOR YA HUN , lIGHTEN UP EH
It is wrong to come to these kind of places where people like me and other members of the public post comments that either support restrictions on owning certain breeds or the complete banning of them. It is also very, very wrong to make assumptions on the kind of people that pass opinions here without any firsthand knowledge of what they are actually like in person without meeting them, then making the very dangerous assumption on their life experiences just like you have and shot yourself badly in the foot. If you cannot enter a debate without swearing or trying to use graphic images like the one you tried to post here at someone, your argument has already been lost and it really says a lot about you as a person and the kind of morals you have, whether it is meant in a joking kind of way or not, it is disrespectful to the person it is intented for and other decent people that are reading and posting on this debate.
If people cannot debate in an adult manner how is there ever going to be a compromise between yourselves as dog owners and the general public, the general public that see these kind of events unfold almost everyday that are calling for such restrictions and bans, which of corse may be wrong in all your eyes, but what about the feelings of everyone else who reel with discust that someone, or, something else has been killed and the culprit that did it was a dog, or dogs as in this case.
You cannot defend the actions of a dog, just like you cannot defend the actions of a person who does such things. You cannot have it both ways, dogs have feelings and experience pain just like people, if dogs were not humanized by silly people and treated as they sho
Dave Main, Leeds says...
4:37pm Sun 27 Apr 08