Why the posh East Lancs butty babes are lay-by hits

Joanne Haworth and her niece Lilie Eatough outside their Victoriana van

Joanne Haworth and her niece Lilie Eatough outside their Victoriana van

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Feature Writer

MOBILE butty vans sell greasy sausages, curled up bacon and burnt toast, right? Wrong – or not at Joanne Haworth’s designer gaff.

Her ‘On The Kerb’ van is a work of art. Sleek and black, it is adorned with a beautiful Victorian image of little girls in brightly-coloured hats eating their lunches from the kerbside.

Another rather unsusual aspect is the menu. She sells such high-end comestibles as home-made watercress and rocket soup with a roll for £1.50, Spanish Panina with chorizo, tortilla and salsa for £3.50 and even a Skinny Caesar Salad with low calorie dressing. Talk about gourmet on the go!

But skinny salad? For truckers? “Absolutely,” says Joanne, 42. “I’ve got one who’s lost about a stone because he’s swapped burgers and sausages for skinny salads.” So much for Yorkie man.

Joanne, a former online marketer from Padiham, has a glamorous assistant in her niece 19-year-old Lilie Eatough. The posh butty babes must appear as tasty as bacon and eggs – that’s locally-reared and free-range, of course – on a cold Monday morning to the army of hungry truckers.

“Well, I did get a couple of traveller boys trying to steal Lilie. They said, ‘Can we grab her. She’d look really good in my caravan and she’s obviously used to working in one.’ We also get lots of lorry drivers beeping at us as they go past.

"We’ve also got 247 followers on Facebook, but I think that’s more to check out our specials. My cottage pie flies out. In fact, some of our regulars will do detours because they know they will get a decent meal with us.

“Some people can be a bit cheeky though. I had one lady who wanted to take a picture of the van. I said ‘yes, sure’ and she told me to get out of the pic. I think she wanted to copy the idea. Then I’ve got the family from Blackpool who always ask for a hot dog when they know we don’t sell them. I love all our customers though.

“I enjoy my job. And I think I’m supposed to do this because I was pulling the trailer one day, shortly after my dad died, and it suddenly became unhitched and rolled off. It could have been a disaster but it gently rolled into a car park and parked itself up. Think dad was looking after me that day.”

The girls are based in a layby in Altham village six days a week and also cater for Padiham Cricket Club.

Maggie and Brian Butterfield are a double act. In fact, customers to Maggie’s, based in Clayton Business Park, Clayton-le-Moors for the past 14 years, love nothing better than watching the couple having a playful ding-dong.

“It’s very stressful living and working with my wife,” says Brian, 67, with a big grin. “It does work, but we fall out and wind each other up. He spends all his time outside the van, “ Maggie, 57, chips in. “You know before we got married he used to take me to the Isle of Man and buy me chocolates. As soon as we were married 37 years ago all that stopped. He doesn’t even remember my birthday which is ridiculous because his is on April 2nd and mine is April Fool’s Day.”

Brian met Maggie when he was a taxi driver and she – wait for it – worked in a burger bar near the Star and Garter at Blackburn Station. It was love at first fry-up.

Maggie did become manageress of Kentucky Fried Chicken for several years, but had always wanted to have her own place. A mobile cafe was the perfect solution.

“We set up, gave out some cards, but business was really poor. So after a week we were ready to pack it in and come home. Then we started getting all these phone calls from people asking where we were. They’d heard we were there, but we’d scarpered. So we had to get back and tell them we’d had a problem with the van.”

“Maggie does the cooking and I’m the security,” says Brian. Although, the van did get broken into recently despite CCTV in the compoud where it’s secured.

“The cameras are on 24/6 and they only saw a cat. We think it must have been a cat burglar. It’s an interesting life and it gets you up in the morning and there are always plenty of people to talk to.

"It’s hard in summer and winter. When it’s hot it’s boiling. I got the food probe out and it was 109 degrees in the van. When it’s cold in winter it’s freezing and there is ice on the sides.

“You do get some customers who ask you for strange things. One asks if we can take the yolk out of his eggs. Another likes it really runny. One little girl gets chips, beans, cheese, tomatoes, fried onions, salad cream and gravy once a week.

"I don’t know where she puts it all because she’s only about 4ft 9ins. We love what we do, but we do need to get away from it all and chill out. So we spend our weekends at our static caravan in Blackpool.”

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6:01pm Mon 18 Aug 14

phil kernot says...

Well done some people with a bit of common sence ,,, just because were builders people think we eat crap ,,, wrong most of us don't ,,, were conscious what we eat ,,, some cafés and butty vans I wouldn't let my dog eat there ,, cheap butter bread coffee catering sausage etc Diesel teabags ,,, if you ask for fresh coffee and brown sugar at most cafés thay think we're talking a foreign langugue ,,, ..if your cafés quiet its because you sell junk .. So well done ,,, for listening to what people want ,,,
Well done some people with a bit of common sence ,,, just because were builders people think we eat crap ,,, wrong most of us don't ,,, were conscious what we eat ,,, some cafés and butty vans I wouldn't let my dog eat there ,, cheap butter bread coffee catering sausage etc Diesel teabags ,,, if you ask for fresh coffee and brown sugar at most cafés thay think we're talking a foreign langugue ,,, ..if your cafés quiet its because you sell junk .. So well done ,,, for listening to what people want ,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 29

7:04pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Ian123xyz says...

Well done. I wish the penny would finally drop with the supermarkets and their "mayo" covered sandwich ingredients. Often difficult to find one not full of mayo gloop. you can almost hear them say, Oh slap it on this lot wont be bothered.
Well done. I wish the penny would finally drop with the supermarkets and their "mayo" covered sandwich ingredients. Often difficult to find one not full of mayo gloop. you can almost hear them say, Oh slap it on this lot wont be bothered. Ian123xyz
  • Score: 24

7:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Eric Shawn says...

It's not rocket science, serve good food at a reasonable price and people will come back again. Serve rubbish and they won't.
It's not rocket science, serve good food at a reasonable price and people will come back again. Serve rubbish and they won't. Eric Shawn
  • Score: 25

9:23pm Mon 18 Aug 14

noddy57 says...

These butty vans in lay by,s have been handy for the drivers all over the country but unless your butties are excellent the drivers will remember and go else where. good luck to this venture !! you deserve to succeed if your product is good.
These butty vans in lay by,s have been handy for the drivers all over the country but unless your butties are excellent the drivers will remember and go else where. good luck to this venture !! you deserve to succeed if your product is good. noddy57
  • Score: 19

10:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

superoo says...

There is a posh butty van on walker park ind estate in blackburn, it's called the deli box. It's brilliant, all home cooked meats and locally sourced products. It's extremely busy because it's different, the specials are amazing. A lot of greasy spoon owners presume that because we work on an ind estate we only want to eat junk food when nothing could be further from the truth :)
There is a posh butty van on walker park ind estate in blackburn, it's called the deli box. It's brilliant, all home cooked meats and locally sourced products. It's extremely busy because it's different, the specials are amazing. A lot of greasy spoon owners presume that because we work on an ind estate we only want to eat junk food when nothing could be further from the truth :) superoo
  • Score: 16

10:50pm Mon 18 Aug 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations

Please could you enlighten me me :
1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats.
2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils.
3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet.

Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk
Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations Please could you enlighten me me : 1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats. 2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils. 3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet. Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: -33

10:58pm Mon 18 Aug 14

superoo says...

All food premises have to be checked by health and hygiene and food standards agencies.i know the one we use has water tanks and uses boilers for washing up etc. it's also a lot cleaner than some of the butty shops I've had the misfortune to enter
All food premises have to be checked by health and hygiene and food standards agencies.i know the one we use has water tanks and uses boilers for washing up etc. it's also a lot cleaner than some of the butty shops I've had the misfortune to enter superoo
  • Score: 16

12:50am Tue 19 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations

Please could you enlighten me me :
1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats.
2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils.
3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet.

Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk
We're so fortunate to have such expert guidance and advice, aren't we? There really is no beginning to this man's talent!
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations Please could you enlighten me me : 1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats. 2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils. 3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet. Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk[/p][/quote]We're so fortunate to have such expert guidance and advice, aren't we? There really is no beginning to this man's talent! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 24

12:52am Tue 19 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations

Please could you enlighten me me :
1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats.
2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils.
3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet.

Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk
We're so fortunate to have such expert guidance and advice, aren't we? There really is no beginning to this man's talent!
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations Please could you enlighten me me : 1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats. 2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils. 3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet. Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk[/p][/quote]We're so fortunate to have such expert guidance and advice, aren't we? There really is no beginning to this man's talent! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 9

11:31am Tue 19 Aug 14

Lancslad01 says...

2 stories in 1? LT whats hap-pening???
2 stories in 1? LT whats hap-pening??? Lancslad01
  • Score: 4

11:34am Tue 19 Aug 14

GracesDad says...

Lancslad01 wrote:
2 stories in 1? LT whats hap-pening???
2 adverts in 1 you mean.
[quote][p][bold]Lancslad01[/bold] wrote: 2 stories in 1? LT whats hap-pening???[/p][/quote]2 adverts in 1 you mean. GracesDad
  • Score: 6

3:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

It's a spade! says...

These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down. It's a spade!
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7:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations

Please could you enlighten me me :
1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats.
2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils.
3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet.

Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk
I have full health and safety training and certificates from the council

I have a fully working tap system with running fresh water to wash hands and wash utensils

The local council yard let us use the toilet where we have hand washing facilities

We are totally different from your greasy dirty spoons and our pod is immaculate

On The Kerb Joanne Haworth
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations Please could you enlighten me me : 1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats. 2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils. 3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet. Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk[/p][/quote]I have full health and safety training and certificates from the council I have a fully working tap system with running fresh water to wash hands and wash utensils The local council yard let us use the toilet where we have hand washing facilities We are totally different from your greasy dirty spoons and our pod is immaculate On The Kerb Joanne Haworth OnTheKerb
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gazzandste says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations

Please could you enlighten me me :
1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats.
2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils.
3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet.

Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk
At it again. You just hate people who make a success of their lives. Just climb under your grubby stone and don't come back out. Despicable moron you are.
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: Health and Safety . Food Hygiene regulations Please could you enlighten me me : 1. Were is the fresh supply of running water to wash your hands every time you touch raw meats. 2. Where do you wash the cooking utensils. 3. Do you have a plumbed in toilet. Do you still want to eat out of a lay -by yuk[/p][/quote]At it again. You just hate people who make a success of their lives. Just climb under your grubby stone and don't come back out. Despicable moron you are. gazzandste
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb OnTheKerb
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb OnTheKerb
  • Score: 0

10:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

It's a spade! says...

OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it? It's a spade!
  • Score: -3

5:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else

I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?[/p][/quote]To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules OnTheKerb
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else

I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?[/p][/quote]To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules OnTheKerb
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else

I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?[/p][/quote]To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules OnTheKerb
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else

I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?[/p][/quote]To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules OnTheKerb
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

OnTheKerb says...

It's a spade! wrote:
OnTheKerb wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me).

Many of these vans;
Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park.
Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission).
Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either.

Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.
I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up

I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire

On The Kerb
I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step.

The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field.

The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above.

There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down.

By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?
To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else

I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OnTheKerb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: These lay-bys are for vehicles to park up off the main carriageway. They are maintained by Lancs CC and paid for by the Council tax payer. (you and me). Many of these vans; Take up large amounts of space, thus denying people the ability to park. Do not pay any form of business rates to LCC or other local authority but are using their (our) land (usually without permission). Deal in cash and so it is likely that much of their takings are not declared and the appropriate income tax isn't being paid to HMRC either. Free advertising is one thing, bringing yourself to the attention of the tax man is another! Sometimes it pays to keep your head down.[/p][/quote]I am a new local business that has a till roll in so I cannot hide what I take to the tax man and my pod is that small it hardly takes up any space at all. I keep the area clean myself, I even clean up after the night shift visiting the lay-by and LCC suggested me setting up my business there - intact I have to say they were extremely supportive of my new set up I support local butchers, farmers and business's and do not use the large supermarkets that do take up much of our lovely land in Lancashire On The Kerb[/p][/quote]I hope your business is successful and as an owner of 2 businesses myself I know it's a brave and sometimes difficult step. The point i'm trying to make that it is not fair for local councils to charge business rates to other businesses in town centres etc and for someone like yourself to not only have the advantage of not paying any but the councils "allow?" you to use land that is paid for by other taxpayers free of charge. that is not a level playing field. The planning system is not down to me and I wouldn't have supermarkets allowed to go wherever they want either. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and that has nothing to do with the point made above. There are different tills which have varying degrees of technology and only the most expensive ones have memories that keep the sales information. Tills can be opened with the key and nothing "put thorough" The memories can also be wiped, or better still you don't even have to open the till at all, just shove the correct money in your pocket. The HMRC doesn't require that you specifically keep till roll copies as already stated because there are different complexities of till. So therefore, it is not impossible to pocket some cash and avoid paying the correct amount of income tax. If you can get away with it then you take your chances. Past history shows that HMRC have periodic purges on cash only businesses, they especially like to target ones who pop up on the radar. hence my comment of sometimes it's better to keep your head down. By the way I do not have a town centre business nor am I involved in catering in any way. I wish you every success as long as you play by the same rules as everyone else. That's only fair isn't it?[/p][/quote]To honest you are mistaken, we also have to pay for licenses to be on the road side and the prices differ in every town so yes we do have to pay like everyone else I appreciate that everyone has an opinion but there are honest people out there and I am one of them, I do local charity events and have always shown them the takings at the end and donated a % to that charity. Nobody wants to pay taxes however, unfortunately it is the way that England is so if we wish to live here then we have to abide by the rules OnTheKerb
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