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Blackburn students post IQ Test scores higher than Albert Einstein

Lancashire Telegraph: Michael Jacques and Jessica Henderson’s IQ scores are higher than Bill Gates and Albert Einstein Michael Jacques and Jessica Henderson’s IQ scores are higher than Bill Gates and Albert Einstein

PUPILS at a Blackburn school are celebrating after scoring higher in an IQ test than Albert Einstein.

The St Bede’s RC High School students took part in the MENSA test which measures intelligence by looking for competence in a range of areas.

Eight students became members of the society after proving their IQ was among the top two per cent in the country. They were the first St Bede’s students to take part in the test.

Microsoft boss Bill Gates and Einstein are believed to have an IQ of 160. Four pupils beat that score.

The school’s head girl, Jessica Henderson, 15, scored 162, alongside 14-year-old Michael Jacques.

Ellie Lee, 13 and Laura Nickson, 14, also both scored more than 160 while Ellie Pearce, 15, Saul Kennedy, 15, Sophie Fallon, 15, and Daisy Kennedy, 13, scored highly enough to become members of the society.

MENSA aims to provide a ‘stimulating intellectual and social environment’ for its members and to ‘identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity’. It’s a non-profit organisation that’s open to anyone who gets a high score on their test.

The St Bede’s group were presented with certificates for joining MENSA at an awards ceremony.

Chris Atkinson, head of computing at the school, said: “We are all very proud of the students and they have enormous potential.

“Now they can use this as a way into some of the country’s top universities.

“For eight students to perform so well in the test is a great achievement and fantastic for them. I think they students are very proud of what they have achieved and I know the parents are as well.”

Year nine student Ellie Lee said: “I’m extremely happy and honoured to be part of MENSA.

“I’m glad that my school give me the opportunity and it will help me with my future aspirations.”

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5:06pm Fri 11 Jul 14

barryinthailand says...

Hmmm Really??

MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it.
2% are genius, wonder why?
Hmmm Really?? MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it. 2% are genius, wonder why? barryinthailand
  • Score: -11

5:20pm Fri 11 Jul 14

barryinthailand says...

barryinthailand wrote:
Hmmm Really??

MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it.
2% are genius, wonder why?
Quoting myself, if anyone wants to argue go ahead.

If you want to give a negative rating, without the ability to argue go ahead.
[quote][p][bold]barryinthailand[/bold] wrote: Hmmm Really?? MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it. 2% are genius, wonder why?[/p][/quote]Quoting myself, if anyone wants to argue go ahead. If you want to give a negative rating, without the ability to argue go ahead. barryinthailand
  • Score: -21

5:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

cloud999 says...

IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health. cloud999
  • Score: 15

5:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

cloud999 says...

IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health. cloud999
  • Score: 6

5:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

cloud999 says...

IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health. cloud999
  • Score: -3

5:38pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Maximus Meridius says...

cloud999 wrote:
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have.

Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success......
[quote][p][bold]cloud999[/bold] wrote: IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.[/p][/quote]It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have. Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success...... Maximus Meridius
  • Score: 15

5:59pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Mister Red says...

Being as Einstein never actually took an IQ test,so it is impossible to tell what it was,the boast is pointless.
Being as Einstein never actually took an IQ test,so it is impossible to tell what it was,the boast is pointless. Mister Red
  • Score: 18

6:00pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Mr Banford says...

Maximus Meridius wrote:
cloud999 wrote:
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have.

Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success......
reference point to gauge potential but do those that have bad results sit back knowing they have nothing to aspire to or try harder and possibly still fail and knock their confidence further?
[quote][p][bold]Maximus Meridius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cloud999[/bold] wrote: IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.[/p][/quote]It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have. Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success......[/p][/quote]reference point to gauge potential but do those that have bad results sit back knowing they have nothing to aspire to or try harder and possibly still fail and knock their confidence further? Mr Banford
  • Score: 6

6:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

barryinthailand says...

barryinthailand wrote:
barryinthailand wrote:
Hmmm Really??

MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it.
2% are genius, wonder why?
Quoting myself, if anyone wants to argue go ahead.

If you want to give a negative rating, without the ability to argue go ahead.
Expected, no comments but negative.......Its maybe all the parents voted negative.
[quote][p][bold]barryinthailand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barryinthailand[/bold] wrote: Hmmm Really?? MENSA charges 24 quid for the test, probably means 98% dont pay for it. 2% are genius, wonder why?[/p][/quote]Quoting myself, if anyone wants to argue go ahead. If you want to give a negative rating, without the ability to argue go ahead.[/p][/quote]Expected, no comments but negative.......Its maybe all the parents voted negative. barryinthailand
  • Score: 6

7:21pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Kantlemang says...

I see there are some quite negative comments about this article, which isn't a surprise.
I have the fortune know one of the young people mentioned, and I can honestly say that she is an exceptional individual whose result in this test does rather more to validate the worth of the I.Q. test as a measure of intelligence.
I see there are some quite negative comments about this article, which isn't a surprise. I have the fortune know one of the young people mentioned, and I can honestly say that she is an exceptional individual whose result in this test does rather more to validate the worth of the I.Q. test as a measure of intelligence. Kantlemang
  • Score: 4

7:32pm Fri 11 Jul 14

woolywords says...

Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious.
...
Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one!
And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ?
In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls!
...
When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few.
This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system.
...
A simple test, is to say the words that you used..
A Master,
A Teacher,
or a Tutor,
because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child.
A Degree in the subject;
I was good at this at school and have qualification in it;
none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow.
Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality!
...
All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards.
...
I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games.
I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals.
You may read the Newsom report here..
http://www.education
england.org.uk/docum
ents/newsom/
...
Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote.
(Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!)
Read it, judge what your kids get.
Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations.
Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by.
...
You pay for this, so you do have a say in it.
You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about.
Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.
Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious. ... Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one! And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ? In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls! ... When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few. This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system. ... A simple test, is to say the words that you used.. A Master, A Teacher, or a Tutor, because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child. A Degree in the subject; I was good at this at school and have qualification in it; none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow. Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality! ... All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards. ... I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games. I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals. You may read the Newsom report here.. http://www.education england.org.uk/docum ents/newsom/ ... Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote. (Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!) Read it, judge what your kids get. Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations. Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by. ... You pay for this, so you do have a say in it. You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about. Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it. woolywords
  • Score: -8

7:38pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Was Hingma Chine says...

The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced.
The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced. Was Hingma Chine
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Fri 11 Jul 14

slants says...

did they take into account that blackburn people all have six fingers and toes ?????
did they take into account that blackburn people all have six fingers and toes ????? slants
  • Score: -5

9:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jack Herer says...

Was Hingma Chine wrote:
The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced.
Jeez, what negative planet do you inhabit?

Your a slant on an article regarding some local youngsters being particularly bright is that, if they don't become either the richest person in the world or one of the top ten most brilliant scientists in history, then they should consider themselves abject failures?

That's some serious morphing of the article to give it your own doomed to failure slant, if you don't mind me saying so.

Is the glass half empty for you perchance?
[quote][p][bold]Was Hingma Chine[/bold] wrote: The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced.[/p][/quote]Jeez, what negative planet do you inhabit? Your a slant on an article regarding some local youngsters being particularly bright is that, if they don't become either the richest person in the world or one of the top ten most brilliant scientists in history, then they should consider themselves abject failures? That's some serious morphing of the article to give it your own doomed to failure slant, if you don't mind me saying so. Is the glass half empty for you perchance? Jack Herer
  • Score: -1

9:12pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jack Herer says...

I find it weird the way some people can begrudge young locals doing well at something.

Good on 'em I say.

I've always said that the area is a hot bed for the intelligent.
I find it weird the way some people can begrudge young locals doing well at something. Good on 'em I say. I've always said that the area is a hot bed for the intelligent. Jack Herer
  • Score: -1

9:25pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Excluded again says...

There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher.

There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles.

Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests.
There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher. There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles. Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests. Excluded again
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jack Herer says...

woolywords wrote:
Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious.
...
Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one!
And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ?
In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls!
...
When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few.
This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system.
...
A simple test, is to say the words that you used..
A Master,
A Teacher,
or a Tutor,
because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child.
A Degree in the subject;
I was good at this at school and have qualification in it;
none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow.
Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality!
...
All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards.
...
I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games.
I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals.
You may read the Newsom report here..
http://www.education

england.org.uk/docum

ents/newsom/
...
Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote.
(Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!)
Read it, judge what your kids get.
Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations.
Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by.
...
You pay for this, so you do have a say in it.
You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about.
Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.
No offence, but I wouldn't want to be stuck next to you at a party.

As this article itself shows, the kids out there are quite obviously exceeding expectations, not just meeting them.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious. ... Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one! And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ? In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls! ... When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few. This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system. ... A simple test, is to say the words that you used.. A Master, A Teacher, or a Tutor, because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child. A Degree in the subject; I was good at this at school and have qualification in it; none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow. Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality! ... All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards. ... I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games. I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals. You may read the Newsom report here.. http://www.education england.org.uk/docum ents/newsom/ ... Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote. (Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!) Read it, judge what your kids get. Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations. Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by. ... You pay for this, so you do have a say in it. You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about. Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.[/p][/quote]No offence, but I wouldn't want to be stuck next to you at a party. As this article itself shows, the kids out there are quite obviously exceeding expectations, not just meeting them. Jack Herer
  • Score: 9

9:33pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jack Herer says...

Excluded again wrote:
There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher.

There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles.

Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests.
Trust me, kids were certainly dafter in the 70s. Look at any school photo from that period if you don't believe me. It's no wonder the paedos had a field day, We all looked like simpletons.

I'm not buying your IQ test conspiracy therefore.

Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher. There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles. Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests.[/p][/quote]Trust me, kids were certainly dafter in the 70s. Look at any school photo from that period if you don't believe me. It's no wonder the paedos had a field day, We all looked like simpletons. I'm not buying your IQ test conspiracy therefore. Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit? Jack Herer
  • Score: -10

10:44pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Graham Hartley says...

"Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?"

The difficulty arises when one attempts to support or attack any matter presented here. Commonly, any LT report attracts detractors for at least the reasons that most are so laughably, consistently erroneous or poorly constructed. This report, associating IQ test results in such a bold fait accompli manner with the accomplished Gates and Einstein, deserves the opposition it has received. Innit.
"Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?" The difficulty arises when one attempts to support or attack any matter presented here. Commonly, any LT report attracts detractors for at least the reasons that most are so laughably, consistently erroneous or poorly constructed. This report, associating IQ test results in such a bold fait accompli manner with the accomplished Gates and Einstein, deserves the opposition it has received. Innit. Graham Hartley
  • Score: 4

11:35pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Excluded again says...

Jack Herer wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher.

There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles.

Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests.
Trust me, kids were certainly dafter in the 70s. Look at any school photo from that period if you don't believe me. It's no wonder the paedos had a field day, We all looked like simpletons.

I'm not buying your IQ test conspiracy therefore.

Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?
Where have I not given the young people credit? What my post suggests is that the young people who took these tests are no smarter than their forbears. But they are better educated and better at solving puzzles.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: There has been a general increase in IQ test scores for several decades. The actual tests themselves have been reset to make the score to get an 'average' of 100 higher. There is no evidence humans have got a lot smarter. The reasons for increasing IQ test scores seem to be two fold. Firstly the tests rely on reading skills and mathematical reasoning, so the general improvement in levels of education means that people can do the tests better because they are better educated. Secondly, there has been a general move from rote learning to problem solving in education. Hence people have had more practice and training at solving puzzles. Which all goes to show that performance in IQ tests is a pretty good measure of your ability to do IQ tests.[/p][/quote]Trust me, kids were certainly dafter in the 70s. Look at any school photo from that period if you don't believe me. It's no wonder the paedos had a field day, We all looked like simpletons. I'm not buying your IQ test conspiracy therefore. Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?[/p][/quote]Where have I not given the young people credit? What my post suggests is that the young people who took these tests are no smarter than their forbears. But they are better educated and better at solving puzzles. Excluded again
  • Score: 0

9:07am Sat 12 Jul 14

woolywords says...

Graham Hartley wrote:
"Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?"

The difficulty arises when one attempts to support or attack any matter presented here. Commonly, any LT report attracts detractors for at least the reasons that most are so laughably, consistently erroneous or poorly constructed. This report, associating IQ test results in such a bold fait accompli manner with the accomplished Gates and Einstein, deserves the opposition it has received. Innit.
Whilst much of your premise was acceptable, the conclusion of it, was not.
My legal team, will be in touch.
I'm claiming 'whiplash', after falling off my chair laughing at, 'innit'!
[quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote: "Is it really so difficult to simply give the kids of today credit?" The difficulty arises when one attempts to support or attack any matter presented here. Commonly, any LT report attracts detractors for at least the reasons that most are so laughably, consistently erroneous or poorly constructed. This report, associating IQ test results in such a bold fait accompli manner with the accomplished Gates and Einstein, deserves the opposition it has received. Innit.[/p][/quote]Whilst much of your premise was acceptable, the conclusion of it, was not. My legal team, will be in touch. I'm claiming 'whiplash', after falling off my chair laughing at, 'innit'! woolywords
  • Score: 3

9:15am Sat 12 Jul 14

woolywords says...

I wonder what would happen if we were to give these children a slide rule to play with..
It's an alien technology, to many here.
...
Or better yet, a simple 4 or 5 digit number, a pencil and paper, for them to find it's square root.
Nothing electronic, no Log tables nor slide rules..
Let's test the genius of this genus.
I wonder what would happen if we were to give these children a slide rule to play with.. It's an alien technology, to many here. ... Or better yet, a simple 4 or 5 digit number, a pencil and paper, for them to find it's square root. Nothing electronic, no Log tables nor slide rules.. Let's test the genius of this genus. woolywords
  • Score: 3

9:35am Sat 12 Jul 14

woolywords says...

Maximus Meridius wrote:
cloud999 wrote:
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have.

Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success......
In an age where children are subjected to tests at 7,11 and 14, to assess their progress, you will find that many are simply taught, just enough to pass these tests, with no depth of knowledge.
...
If Polly says, 'Polly wants a cracker'.
Is that evidence of the concept of crackers, Polly's intellect, or something learned, by rote?
And, if you thought, who the heck is Polly?
You are not alone...
...
˙ʇoɹɹɐd ɐ sı 'ʎןןod˙˙˙sı ɹǝʍsuɐ ǝɥʇ
[quote][p][bold]Maximus Meridius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cloud999[/bold] wrote: IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.[/p][/quote]It seems to have given the students a reference point to gauge how much potential they all have. Lets not harp on with negative comments. Aspirations and goals represent a significant "win" in the fight for success......[/p][/quote]In an age where children are subjected to tests at 7,11 and 14, to assess their progress, you will find that many are simply taught, just enough to pass these tests, with no depth of knowledge. ... If Polly says, 'Polly wants a cracker'. Is that evidence of the concept of crackers, Polly's intellect, or something learned, by rote? And, if you thought, who the heck is Polly? You are not alone... ... ˙ʇoɹɹɐd ɐ sı 'ʎןןod˙˙˙sı ɹǝʍsuɐ ǝɥʇ woolywords
  • Score: 2

9:50am Sat 12 Jul 14

woolywords says...

Oh look, there's an article about Tauheedul schools in Blackburn, being the subject of a 'mockumentary'..
Good old LT, in it's 'all inclusive' way of portraying the 'Nanny State', hasn't allowed comments!
It gives me that, warm and fluffy feeling, of being wrapped, in cotton wool.
I'm going to miss this, when they all get sacked or moved to Wales....
...
I mean sacked; as this will follow, when you refuse a valid job offer.
The company will sack you, pay no redundancy money, as they made you an offer of a job, elsewhere. It's known as, 'the get out' clause.
Oh look, there's an article about Tauheedul schools in Blackburn, being the subject of a 'mockumentary'.. Good old LT, in it's 'all inclusive' way of portraying the 'Nanny State', hasn't allowed comments! It gives me that, warm and fluffy feeling, of being wrapped, in cotton wool. I'm going to miss this, when they all get sacked or moved to Wales.... ... I mean sacked; as this will follow, when you refuse a valid job offer. The company will sack you, pay no redundancy money, as they made you an offer of a job, elsewhere. It's known as, 'the get out' clause. woolywords
  • Score: 2

11:02am Sat 12 Jul 14

woolywords says...

Jack Herer wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious.
...
Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one!
And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ?
In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls!
...
When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few.
This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system.
...
A simple test, is to say the words that you used..
A Master,
A Teacher,
or a Tutor,
because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child.
A Degree in the subject;
I was good at this at school and have qualification in it;
none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow.
Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality!
...
All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards.
...
I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games.
I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals.
You may read the Newsom report here..
http://www.education


england.org.uk/docum


ents/newsom/
...
Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote.
(Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!)
Read it, judge what your kids get.
Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations.
Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by.
...
You pay for this, so you do have a say in it.
You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about.
Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.
No offence, but I wouldn't want to be stuck next to you at a party.

As this article itself shows, the kids out there are quite obviously exceeding expectations, not just meeting them.
No offence taken..
but as Aristotle once said, one swallow does not a summer make,
or, in this case, two.
It would be more impressive, if 10 or more made that grade.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious. ... Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one! And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ? In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls! ... When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few. This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system. ... A simple test, is to say the words that you used.. A Master, A Teacher, or a Tutor, because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child. A Degree in the subject; I was good at this at school and have qualification in it; none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow. Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality! ... All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards. ... I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games. I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals. You may read the Newsom report here.. http://www.education england.org.uk/docum ents/newsom/ ... Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote. (Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!) Read it, judge what your kids get. Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations. Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by. ... You pay for this, so you do have a say in it. You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about. Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.[/p][/quote]No offence, but I wouldn't want to be stuck next to you at a party. As this article itself shows, the kids out there are quite obviously exceeding expectations, not just meeting them.[/p][/quote]No offence taken.. but as Aristotle once said, one swallow does not a summer make, or, in this case, two. It would be more impressive, if 10 or more made that grade. woolywords
  • Score: 1

11:39am Sat 12 Jul 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

cloud999 wrote:
IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.
And thats why you had to press the "send" teet three times to put your point across is it?
[quote][p][bold]cloud999[/bold] wrote: IQ tests for intelligence are as useful as BMI for health.[/p][/quote]And thats why you had to press the "send" teet three times to put your point across is it? HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: 1

11:42am Sat 12 Jul 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

But the real question is, do they have any common sense?
But the real question is, do they have any common sense? HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: 2

3:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Biscay says...

woolywords wrote:
Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious.
...
Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one!
And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ?
In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls!
...
When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few.
This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system.
...
A simple test, is to say the words that you used..
A Master,
A Teacher,
or a Tutor,
because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child.
A Degree in the subject;
I was good at this at school and have qualification in it;
none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow.
Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality!
...
All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards.
...
I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games.
I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals.
You may read the Newsom report here..
http://www.education

england.org.uk/docum

ents/newsom/
...
Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote.
(Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!)
Read it, judge what your kids get.
Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations.
Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by.
...
You pay for this, so you do have a say in it.
You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about.
Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.
Nas.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious. ... Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one! And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ? In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls! ... When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few. This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system. ... A simple test, is to say the words that you used.. A Master, A Teacher, or a Tutor, because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child. A Degree in the subject; I was good at this at school and have qualification in it; none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow. Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality! ... All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards. ... I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games. I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals. You may read the Newsom report here.. http://www.education england.org.uk/docum ents/newsom/ ... Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote. (Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!) Read it, judge what your kids get. Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations. Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by. ... You pay for this, so you do have a say in it. You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about. Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.[/p][/quote]Nas.org.uk Biscay
  • Score: 2

8:26pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Biscay says...

woolywords wrote:
Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious.
...
Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one!
And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ?
In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls!
...
When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few.
This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system.
...
A simple test, is to say the words that you used..
A Master,
A Teacher,
or a Tutor,
because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child.
A Degree in the subject;
I was good at this at school and have qualification in it;
none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow.
Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality!
...
All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards.
...
I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games.
I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals.
You may read the Newsom report here..
http://www.education

england.org.uk/docum

ents/newsom/
...
Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote.
(Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!)
Read it, judge what your kids get.
Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations.
Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by.
...
You pay for this, so you do have a say in it.
You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about.
Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.
nas.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Whilst I wish to take nothing away from these 'gifted' children, it should be borne in mind that neither Einstein nor Gates were ever subjected to an IQ test; so to make such a comparison is, at best, spurious. ... Years ago, I took one of these tests and scored 148, which suggested that I was worthy of joining the club. As someone posted earlier, this involved an annual subscription and being ever curious, I went to a meeting in Newcastle. However, I have to state that, the people at that meeting were, in my opinion, borderline savants. Their aptitude for daily tasks was lamentable and easily exposed. They knew the entire theory of why a sponge cake would rise but not how to make one! And, in all of the tests, no calibration is made for someone like me, an eidetic; which means that the standard deviation of 15 points is so skewed, it throws a spanner in the results. My result 148 + 15 = ? In no way shape nor form do I consider myself in the same field as Einstein, let alone, on that plane. Where he was bored with his job in a Patent office and went to a night class, to meet girls! ... When you consider the numbers of people leaving a school, unable to read nor write, alongside those whom cannot swim; as they are far more prevalent than this 2%, and to my mind, constitute our greater attentions. You will forgive me if I don't laud the lamentable idea of testing, this select few. This reality exposes itself in the many employers demanding that, people applying for jobs, complete a very basic English and Math test, for even English born applicants, which stands as an indictment of our now parless education system. ... A simple test, is to say the words that you used.. A Master, A Teacher, or a Tutor, because therein, lays the very essence of whom is educating your child. A Degree in the subject; I was good at this at school and have qualification in it; none of the above but have a Curriculum to follow. Then the scalar of quality; I went to Uni > I went to a Poly > I went to night class; will decrease, over the willingness to pay for quality! ... All easy stuff to work out, as long as you are deluded into thinking that, the current quality of education is as low as the skirting boards. ... I make these observation as someone with a lot of qualifications; to Degree standard in two subjects, memberships of the British Computer Society and City and Guilds of London; having taught students, served as a School Governor in a private school and suffered the useless, bone-idle abilities of the 'teachers' of two children, whom now are near the top of theirs games. I was fortunate to pass the test, 11+, nearly fell foul of the Newsom education system, that promised much but did nothing and have witnessed the steady decline of the whole process of, giving the best that there is to children. Today's thing is, teach them, not make them anything other than, all equals. You may read the Newsom report here.. http://www.education england.org.uk/docum ents/newsom/ ... Then, and only then, judge my opinions in your vote. (Not that I give a Tinker's flying cuss for what you think of me!) Read it, judge what your kids get. Then start questioning why your kids school is not living up to those outline standards of expectations. Don't expect Ofsted to do it for you, as it has a watered down set of parameters, to judge a school by. ... You pay for this, so you do have a say in it. You may think little of me, as a person, what you like but I'd never do no harm to our kids, which is what this all about. Have written this, with no political agenda; you have to ask all of them, what they intend to do about it.[/p][/quote]nas.org.uk Biscay
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Was Hingma Chine says...

woolywords wrote:
I wonder what would happen if we were to give these children a slide rule to play with..
It's an alien technology, to many here.
...
Or better yet, a simple 4 or 5 digit number, a pencil and paper, for them to find it's square root.
Nothing electronic, no Log tables nor slide rules..
Let's test the genius of this genus.
Well, the square root of 9 is 3, so perhaps the square root of 9999 is 3333. Discuss.

There's not much mention of rectangular roots in these days, so easily confused with root rectangles.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: I wonder what would happen if we were to give these children a slide rule to play with.. It's an alien technology, to many here. ... Or better yet, a simple 4 or 5 digit number, a pencil and paper, for them to find it's square root. Nothing electronic, no Log tables nor slide rules.. Let's test the genius of this genus.[/p][/quote]Well, the square root of 9 is 3, so perhaps the square root of 9999 is 3333. Discuss. There's not much mention of rectangular roots in these days, so easily confused with root rectangles. Was Hingma Chine
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Was Hingma Chine says...

Jack Herer wrote:
Was Hingma Chine wrote:
The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced.
Jeez, what negative planet do you inhabit?

Your a slant on an article regarding some local youngsters being particularly bright is that, if they don't become either the richest person in the world or one of the top ten most brilliant scientists in history, then they should consider themselves abject failures?

That's some serious morphing of the article to give it your own doomed to failure slant, if you don't mind me saying so.

Is the glass half empty for you perchance?
I didn't say that these pupils should consider themselves - or be considered - 'abject failures'. The article suggests that these pupils might achieve as much as Einstein and Gates, though they have only comparable IQ scores - that's the fault in the arrticle. For a doom devotee, look no further than Graham Hartley who contributes above.

Whatever the achievement, the worst place to proclaim it is LT when comments are invited.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Was Hingma Chine[/bold] wrote: The achievements expected of these pupils will surpass those of Gates and Einstein, eh? Rather a pity that their MENSA scores are compared in that way and published here, where they will certainly be denounced.[/p][/quote]Jeez, what negative planet do you inhabit? Your a slant on an article regarding some local youngsters being particularly bright is that, if they don't become either the richest person in the world or one of the top ten most brilliant scientists in history, then they should consider themselves abject failures? That's some serious morphing of the article to give it your own doomed to failure slant, if you don't mind me saying so. Is the glass half empty for you perchance?[/p][/quote]I didn't say that these pupils should consider themselves - or be considered - 'abject failures'. The article suggests that these pupils might achieve as much as Einstein and Gates, though they have only comparable IQ scores - that's the fault in the arrticle. For a doom devotee, look no further than Graham Hartley who contributes above. Whatever the achievement, the worst place to proclaim it is LT when comments are invited. Was Hingma Chine
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Graham Hartley says...

I became interested in physics and much else when I understood how the theorem of Pythagoras was fundamental in special relativity. Properly presented, that theorem isn't limited to showing how long ladders must be in order to allow window cleaners to ascend a vertical height of thirty feet when standing five feet from a wall... Wooly (above) is quite correct when in order to examine the extent of pupils' achievements he (she?) invites them to examine extensions of the familiar.
I became interested in physics and much else when I understood how the theorem of Pythagoras was fundamental in special relativity. Properly presented, that theorem isn't limited to showing how long ladders must be in order to allow window cleaners to ascend a vertical height of thirty feet when standing five feet from a wall... Wooly (above) is quite correct when in order to examine the extent of pupils' achievements he (she?) invites them to examine extensions of the familiar. Graham Hartley
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1:52am Thu 17 Jul 14

CyberWala says...

come back in 10 years time and see what these iq gurus are upto.
come back in 10 years time and see what these iq gurus are upto. CyberWala
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