Blackburn residents urge action on vandalised empty pub

Mike and Martha Chamberlin outside the empty derelict Corporation Park pub

Mike and Martha Chamberlin outside the empty derelict Corporation Park pub

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

RESIDENTS are calling for a disused pub to be secured after it became a magnet for vandals.

The old Corporation Park pub, in Revidge Road, Blackburn, was sold almost 10 years ago, and has stood empty ever since, as the owner was refused planning permission to turn the building into an Islamic madrasa.

The building has now fallen into disrepair, and vandals are gaining access to the building, causing problems for neighbouring residents.

Mike Chamberlin, 78, lives nearby with his wife Martha, 52.

He said: “It was closed in 2004 or 2005 so it’s nine or 10 years that it’s been empty.

“At the back it’s been vandalised, and it’s dangerous. They get onto the roof at the back and write graffiti on the wall.

“And once on the roof they have access straight away to the house next to it.

“There’s also a fire risk, they go in there to smoke and light a fire to keep warm.

“If we did want to sell our house there would be difficulties – no one wants to invest in a house when you’ve got that two doors down.

“These things concern us, not just Martha and myself, but the two other families that live in the cottages next to us.

“We think nine years is long enough for a decision to be made, and to put value back into our cottages.”

But owner Tee Sheth, said he did not have the funds available to make repairs to the building.

He said: “It’s a property which is empty that I’ve obviously run out of money to do, but that’s it.

“There were plans put in for that property, which the council refused, they’re obviously not interested in regenerating that area.”

Corporation Park Coun John Wright said: “Since planning permission fell through we assumed he’d sell it or find another use for it.

“We’ve tried to engage with the owner and find out what his plans are, and encourage him the keep the building secure.

“The longer he leaves it the less value there will be in the building.

“This is just a plea to him really to develop it for another purpose.

“We’re happy to discuss these options with him to come up with a way forward.”

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12:30pm Mon 24 Mar 14

peely says...

Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space !
Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space ! peely
  • Score: 24

12:34pm Mon 24 Mar 14

We'll win the next one says...

peely wrote:
Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space !
Hmmm that makes sense, not.
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space ![/p][/quote]Hmmm that makes sense, not. We'll win the next one
  • Score: -6

1:20pm Mon 24 Mar 14

kenbro says...

So sad. I watched my first TV in that Pub. Around 1948. I think that they had the only TV set in the town. Being so high up they could receive the signal.
Watched the tennis final, Gonzales v Sedgman from Wembley Stadium.
Hope they can do something with the building. How about apartments ?
So sad. I watched my first TV in that Pub. Around 1948. I think that they had the only TV set in the town. Being so high up they could receive the signal. Watched the tennis final, Gonzales v Sedgman from Wembley Stadium. Hope they can do something with the building. How about apartments ? kenbro
  • Score: 18

1:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

grumpyoldlady wrote:
It appears that the Council is reluctant to represent the people who elected them in case they tread on the toes of someone. Instead of trying to 'engage with the owner' it is high time they slapped a compulsory purchase order on the property. If this is how the Council neglect a conservation area then I dread to think what could happen to the rest of the town. There is also the problem of the wall which has collapsed and is in a very dangerous state. Does anyone know who is responsible for this wall? I think the poor people who live near this eye sore should withhold their Council Tax until they get some sort of satisfactory outcome. It is only a matter of time before vandals set fire to it, as has happened to Griffin Lodge and endanger the lives of those in the adjoining cottages. I wonder if the owner is the same Mr Sheth who owns a company selling bathroom fittings? If so, I am not surprised as I once went to the showroom to look for a new bathroom and was met by a very dirty staircase and old shabby paint - needless to say I turned right round and found another showroom which was spotless.
Yes, at this time of major cutbacks in public services the Council should spend tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of pounds of Council Taxpayers' money on buying an ex-pub. Or maybe that would be a complete waste of taxpayers' money.
[quote][p][bold]grumpyoldlady[/bold] wrote: It appears that the Council is reluctant to represent the people who elected them in case they tread on the toes of someone. Instead of trying to 'engage with the owner' it is high time they slapped a compulsory purchase order on the property. If this is how the Council neglect a conservation area then I dread to think what could happen to the rest of the town. There is also the problem of the wall which has collapsed and is in a very dangerous state. Does anyone know who is responsible for this wall? I think the poor people who live near this eye sore should withhold their Council Tax until they get some sort of satisfactory outcome. It is only a matter of time before vandals set fire to it, as has happened to Griffin Lodge and endanger the lives of those in the adjoining cottages. I wonder if the owner is the same Mr Sheth who owns a company selling bathroom fittings? If so, I am not surprised as I once went to the showroom to look for a new bathroom and was met by a very dirty staircase and old shabby paint - needless to say I turned right round and found another showroom which was spotless.[/p][/quote]Yes, at this time of major cutbacks in public services the Council should spend tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of pounds of Council Taxpayers' money on buying an ex-pub. Or maybe that would be a complete waste of taxpayers' money. Excluded again
  • Score: -4

1:54pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Would rather it be flattened than become anything Islamic.
Would rather it be flattened than become anything Islamic. Reality50
  • Score: 27

2:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Angusam says...

Just like the Old Working Mens Highfield Club in Darwen. This building was boarded up and sold at Auction and a party of 3 Asian Men local to the area made the purchase.

The building was left empty and eventually gutted by fire in an Arson Attack and has been left derilect and is a magnet for Vandals and Anti Social Behavior, but again just like this builiding it has just been left to rott and is a complete eyesore for the people in the Sudell Road area of Darwen.
Just like the Old Working Mens Highfield Club in Darwen. This building was boarded up and sold at Auction and a party of 3 Asian Men local to the area made the purchase. The building was left empty and eventually gutted by fire in an Arson Attack and has been left derilect and is a magnet for Vandals and Anti Social Behavior, but again just like this builiding it has just been left to rott and is a complete eyesore for the people in the Sudell Road area of Darwen. Angusam
  • Score: 12

2:24pm Mon 24 Mar 14

The Fair Word says...

Yet another former pub that has been neglected and gone to ruin. Could this be the same Tee Sheth whose family own Sheth's Bathrooms in Audley ? They don't look like they are short of money from where I'm standing. In fact, Mr Tee Sheth has a few other properties on his name. How can it be that he has money to buy the building but not enough left over to invest in it ?
In any case, no building should be left neglected especially in a Conservation Area.
Bring back the days when the pub was in full swing and we had many drunks puking and pi55ing along the wall. The drunken singing was always a pleasure to hear for locals when trying to get to sleep.
Mike & Martha need to face reality. They were quick to oppose the plans when the owner was ready to invest in it and now he can't be bothered with it, it's suddenly an eyesore. They would have been better off not opposing the plans for an Islamic centre and should have waited until it's running before cashing in on their property at a high price. They would have got a lot more money for a property next to a madrassa than an old neglected pub.
You can't oppose investment and then complain the lack of it afterwards.
Yet another former pub that has been neglected and gone to ruin. Could this be the same Tee Sheth whose family own Sheth's Bathrooms in Audley ? They don't look like they are short of money from where I'm standing. In fact, Mr Tee Sheth has a few other properties on his name. How can it be that he has money to buy the building but not enough left over to invest in it ? In any case, no building should be left neglected especially in a Conservation Area. Bring back the days when the pub was in full swing and we had many drunks puking and pi55ing along the wall. The drunken singing was always a pleasure to hear for locals when trying to get to sleep. Mike & Martha need to face reality. They were quick to oppose the plans when the owner was ready to invest in it and now he can't be bothered with it, it's suddenly an eyesore. They would have been better off not opposing the plans for an Islamic centre and should have waited until it's running before cashing in on their property at a high price. They would have got a lot more money for a property next to a madrassa than an old neglected pub. You can't oppose investment and then complain the lack of it afterwards. The Fair Word
  • Score: -14

2:29pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bluelizzy says...

Good job the plans were turned down. He has run out of money.
Good job the plans were turned down. He has run out of money. Bluelizzy
  • Score: 10

3:16pm Mon 24 Mar 14

b'burn_citizen_73 says...

you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy.

its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise.

about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.
you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy. its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise. about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired. b'burn_citizen_73
  • Score: -19

3:31pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thoroughbred says...

what a load of lies you utter, if you had the money to purchase the premises, then you also had funds to strip the heart out of it and turn it into a madras or whatever they're called? just another bit of our heritage gone, in a conservation area too...tut tut, you neglectful liar Sheth, you're just playing games with the council and will get your own way in the end, you always do, with a council like ours!
Glad I got out when I did!
what a load of lies you utter, if you had the money to purchase the premises, then you also had funds to strip the heart out of it and turn it into a madras or whatever they're called? just another bit of our heritage gone, in a conservation area too...tut tut, you neglectful liar Sheth, you're just playing games with the council and will get your own way in the end, you always do, with a council like ours! Glad I got out when I did! thoroughbred
  • Score: 18

4:28pm Mon 24 Mar 14

burner says...

peely wrote:
Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space !
BIG INSURANCE PAYOUT !!!
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Me thinks the owner is looking for some for of hand out / stroke grant ! Watch this space ![/p][/quote]BIG INSURANCE PAYOUT !!! burner
  • Score: 5

4:56pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Openminded? says...

As some others have commented, when the original planning permission was sought, it is no doubt that the "locals" were against it, and now its been empty since the same "locals" want something done about it!

Get a grip!
As some others have commented, when the original planning permission was sought, it is no doubt that the "locals" were against it, and now its been empty since the same "locals" want something done about it! Get a grip! Openminded?
  • Score: -6

5:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

phil kernot says...

The owner says we put plans in for change of use to residential , and shop ,,, but he has the cheek to say because it was refused ,because its a conservation area the council is not interested iin regenerating the area ,, it does not need your so called bullying attitude to get your own way ,, tough just because it was a pub doesn't mean you will get your own ,,, way ,,, well done the planning department for sticking to your guns and not being intimidated ,,, I think you should compulsory purchase it under the abandoned property's act and sell it on at auction. ,,,, has council tax been paid on it I don't think so ,,, so cp it for that reason alone ,,,,
The owner says we put plans in for change of use to residential , and shop ,,, but he has the cheek to say because it was refused ,because its a conservation area the council is not interested iin regenerating the area ,, it does not need your so called bullying attitude to get your own way ,, tough just because it was a pub doesn't mean you will get your own ,,, way ,,, well done the planning department for sticking to your guns and not being intimidated ,,, I think you should compulsory purchase it under the abandoned property's act and sell it on at auction. ,,,, has council tax been paid on it I don't think so ,,, so cp it for that reason alone ,,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 13

5:53pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

b'burn_citizen_73 wrote:
you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy.

its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise.

about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.
Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!!
your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.
[quote][p][bold]b'burn_citizen_73[/bold] wrote: you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy. its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise. about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.[/p][/quote]Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!! your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 20

6:49pm Mon 24 Mar 14

woolywords says...

kenbro wrote:
So sad. I watched my first TV in that Pub. Around 1948. I think that they had the only TV set in the town. Being so high up they could receive the signal.
Watched the tennis final, Gonzales v Sedgman from Wembley Stadium.
Hope they can do something with the building. How about apartments ?
Someone I know, who also bid for it, had plans to turn it into apartments, with me and a friend getting first refusal of two of them. However, he was outbid.
The suggestion of it being turned into a madrassa is, according to my friend, a way of getting someone else to fund the refurbishment, while leaving a living space above, that could be rented out separately, meaning that it had a dual income stream for the owner.
This purchase was nothing more than a purely speculative venture for the current owner, that has failed to be realised because he misjudged the planning officers.
Anyone, with a modicum of business acumen, would have sold it on, as soon as it became apparent that his plans had been thwarted then taken the small profit that the difference between the auction price and open market sale would have realised. Whatever profit could have been turned, is now going to be a loss on the price paid, in possibly greater measure.
As for insurance.. Few, if any, empty buildings are insured, as the premiums are reflective of it's risk of being damaged by whatever means. Let's face it, would you want to make that bet, given the trend of other empty buildings?
Thought not.
[quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: So sad. I watched my first TV in that Pub. Around 1948. I think that they had the only TV set in the town. Being so high up they could receive the signal. Watched the tennis final, Gonzales v Sedgman from Wembley Stadium. Hope they can do something with the building. How about apartments ?[/p][/quote]Someone I know, who also bid for it, had plans to turn it into apartments, with me and a friend getting first refusal of two of them. However, he was outbid. The suggestion of it being turned into a madrassa is, according to my friend, a way of getting someone else to fund the refurbishment, while leaving a living space above, that could be rented out separately, meaning that it had a dual income stream for the owner. This purchase was nothing more than a purely speculative venture for the current owner, that has failed to be realised because he misjudged the planning officers. Anyone, with a modicum of business acumen, would have sold it on, as soon as it became apparent that his plans had been thwarted then taken the small profit that the difference between the auction price and open market sale would have realised. Whatever profit could have been turned, is now going to be a loss on the price paid, in possibly greater measure. As for insurance.. Few, if any, empty buildings are insured, as the premiums are reflective of it's risk of being damaged by whatever means. Let's face it, would you want to make that bet, given the trend of other empty buildings? Thought not. woolywords
  • Score: 8

11:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

GrindletonBob says...

The owner should at the very least make the building secure to protect his investment and also consider those living in the adjacent properties who will be badly affected should there be a fire or other such incident. The antisocial behaviour taking place is obviously already having a detrimental affect on their right to quietly enjoy their own homes.

Should any intruders or simply teenagers looking for a place to hang out getting injured in this potential death trap, then he could also find himself on the receiving end of a claim. The building in its current state is still potentially habitable so I hope he is having to still pay some sort of business rates for it - others have had to demolish their property to avoid this.

As a local successful businessman (his bathroom centre isn't exactly a small concern) he should be ashamed of his lack of action. Let's hope those living in the locality don't send any money his way when they are planning any home refurbishments!
The owner should at the very least make the building secure to protect his investment and also consider those living in the adjacent properties who will be badly affected should there be a fire or other such incident. The antisocial behaviour taking place is obviously already having a detrimental affect on their right to quietly enjoy their own homes. Should any intruders or simply teenagers looking for a place to hang out getting injured in this potential death trap, then he could also find himself on the receiving end of a claim. The building in its current state is still potentially habitable so I hope he is having to still pay some sort of business rates for it - others have had to demolish their property to avoid this. As a local successful businessman (his bathroom centre isn't exactly a small concern) he should be ashamed of his lack of action. Let's hope those living in the locality don't send any money his way when they are planning any home refurbishments! GrindletonBob
  • Score: 5

9:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Birtrumthegreat says...

I often pass by this pub and wonder if I could run my office based business from the building. The sad thing is that the owner will want too much for it, when you take into account the cost of doing the repairs .
I often pass by this pub and wonder if I could run my office based business from the building. The sad thing is that the owner will want too much for it, when you take into account the cost of doing the repairs . Birtrumthegreat
  • Score: 3

12:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

b'burn_citizen_73 says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
b'burn_citizen_73 wrote:
you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy.

its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise.

about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.
Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!!
your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.
Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time.

welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person.

thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b'burn_citizen_73[/bold] wrote: you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy. its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise. about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.[/p][/quote]Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!! your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.[/p][/quote]Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time. welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person. thank you. b'burn_citizen_73
  • Score: -3

12:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

b'burn_citizen_73 says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
b'burn_citizen_73 wrote:
you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy.

its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise.

about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.
Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!!
your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.
Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time.

welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person.

thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b'burn_citizen_73[/bold] wrote: you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy. its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise. about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.[/p][/quote]Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!! your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.[/p][/quote]Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time. welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person. thank you. b'burn_citizen_73
  • Score: -2

2:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

shirtbox says...

At least the owner is known and not the usual ,the owner is out of the country at the moment.Serve notice on him to make the premises secure and keep them that way or face prosecution.More Clown Hall mis-management.
At least the owner is known and not the usual ,the owner is out of the country at the moment.Serve notice on him to make the premises secure and keep them that way or face prosecution.More Clown Hall mis-management. shirtbox
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

b'burn_citizen_73 wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
b'burn_citizen_73 wrote:
you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy.

its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise.

about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.
Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!!
your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.
Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time.

welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person.

thank you.
Hi BC, fair points by yourself, how ever your worry on my "our laws" comment was more tales like this one by home based Asians not a racist comment,
Take the big dome going on a derelict building on Burnley road where a thousand local signatures objected to this being put up with out planning permission, then take the sign taken down from the Dog pub on Revidge without planning permission, take trees being pulled down up at the previous blind school with out planning permission.
So finally seeing some one say the council should repair this building because planning permission was not given you can understand people becoming frustrated by the Asian community's attitude towards our laws!!
[quote][p][bold]b'burn_citizen_73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b'burn_citizen_73[/bold] wrote: you know it gets a little tiring listening t the non-asian members of Blackburns communities accusing them for running down the town. i am sure the council can confirm the majority inevestment in many of the asian communities is made bny themselves, not grant funded but from private monies. Many of the large indusrial buildings left empty after the 80's have been rejuvinated by those asians the papers readers like to accuse of apathy. its time we acknowledged the contribution the community makes to the longevity of blackburns premises and the revival of its property marker. need i mention many of the white residents have had the opportunity to fly to ribble valley etc because they have been able to demand top dollar from those exact asians they criticise. about this particular pub, the residents and the council are as responsbile for its repair, as an earlier reader has commented, you cant block its development and in the same breath as for it to be reapired.[/p][/quote]Sorry BC, on your first paragraph I except, the Asian community have bought up many a premise, your second paragraph is not quite true in my case, I got out as some people put it and the poor guy I sold to in Lammack sold it eighteen months later for £34.000 less, why I'll leave that for you to work out!! your quote " the residents and council are responsible for the repair" is incorrect, the owner is responsible at all times, the council can (and should) make the owner make this premise safe, the insinuation the planning permission was not granted so the owner is letting it rot will only end up with him having a big bill in the end, that is if Blackburn Council do there job correctly, welcome to our laws.[/p][/quote]Dont apologise you make a fair point although you may have forgotten the little recession we have had over the last 5 years and the impact that has had on the property market, let alone the personal circumstances of the seller, not that i am privy to them but could it be that he was desperate to sell and the buyer was in the right place at the right time. welcome to 'our laws' well my friend that is a racist comment, believe it or not most of the if not all those you may not like to refer to us 'yours' are BRITISH born and bred and would NOT swap the privilige for anything else so please, be subjective and dont resort to mindless inults cos you seem like a fair minded person. thank you.[/p][/quote]Hi BC, fair points by yourself, how ever your worry on my "our laws" comment was more tales like this one by home based Asians not a racist comment, Take the big dome going on a derelict building on Burnley road where a thousand local signatures objected to this being put up with out planning permission, then take the sign taken down from the Dog pub on Revidge without planning permission, take trees being pulled down up at the previous blind school with out planning permission. So finally seeing some one say the council should repair this building because planning permission was not given you can understand people becoming frustrated by the Asian community's attitude towards our laws!! Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

bow1974 says...

phil kernot wrote:
The owner says we put plans in for change of use to residential , and shop ,,, but he has the cheek to say because it was refused ,because its a conservation area the council is not interested iin regenerating the area ,, it does not need your so called bullying attitude to get your own way ,, tough just because it was a pub doesn't mean you will get your own ,,, way ,,, well done the planning department for sticking to your guns and not being intimidated ,,, I think you should compulsory purchase it under the abandoned property's act and sell it on at auction. ,,,, has council tax been paid on it I don't think so ,,, so cp it for that reason alone ,,,,
Deffo a CPO should be placed on it now its gone on long enough and enough is enough turn I back to a good ol watering hole revidge could do with it.
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: The owner says we put plans in for change of use to residential , and shop ,,, but he has the cheek to say because it was refused ,because its a conservation area the council is not interested iin regenerating the area ,, it does not need your so called bullying attitude to get your own way ,, tough just because it was a pub doesn't mean you will get your own ,,, way ,,, well done the planning department for sticking to your guns and not being intimidated ,,, I think you should compulsory purchase it under the abandoned property's act and sell it on at auction. ,,,, has council tax been paid on it I don't think so ,,, so cp it for that reason alone ,,,,[/p][/quote]Deffo a CPO should be placed on it now its gone on long enough and enough is enough turn I back to a good ol watering hole revidge could do with it. bow1974
  • Score: 1

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