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Shisha plan for Whalley Range Business Park

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PLANS have been submitted to Blackburn Council to open a controversial new shisha cafe on an industrial estate.

If the plans are approved, the cafe will have permission to open at Bullhorn, in Whalley Range Business Park, Boyle Street.

The applicant, Usman Ali Perwez, has asked the council to approve a change of use for the premises from a business to a 'Shisha Lounge', with facilities to sell refreshments.

The application also seeks permission for the erection of a smoking shelter on the car park of the industrial estate.

The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced.

This was after Bastwell councillor Shaukhat Hussain put a motion to the council arguing that existing powers to regulate shisha lounges were not strong enough.

The council is seeking the powers after shisha cafes had been found to be operating underground in the town, and underage children have been found to be smoking shisha.

But Coun Hussain said that if the application meets the council's planning guidelines officially there was no reason why it would not be allowed.

He said: “The plan has to follow a specified criteria, and if it meets the criteria there’s not much we can do to stop it. On a personal level, I don’t think it’s a good idea. Evidence shows that shisha has an impact on health.

“If people want to smoke that’s fair enough, but it’s certainly not something I would support or encourage.

“If they have to open and there’s evidence of wrong-doing, we will come down hard on them, I don’t want that going on in my ward.”

Bullhorn could not be reach for comment yesterday.

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10:53am Tue 18 Mar 14

Black Car Guy. says...

They should do it then apply for permission. Then the council will grant it. Just like Burnside old peoples home on Burnley Road.
They should do it then apply for permission. Then the council will grant it. Just like Burnside old peoples home on Burnley Road. Black Car Guy.
  • Score: 2

11:11am Tue 18 Mar 14

drunken donut says...

Black Car Guy. wrote:
They should do it then apply for permission. Then the council will grant it. Just like Burnside old peoples home on Burnley Road.
They only apply for planning permission because they know that the council (led by a convicted benefit cheat Mayor) will bow to them.
[quote][p][bold]Black Car Guy.[/bold] wrote: They should do it then apply for permission. Then the council will grant it. Just like Burnside old peoples home on Burnley Road.[/p][/quote]They only apply for planning permission because they know that the council (led by a convicted benefit cheat Mayor) will bow to them. drunken donut
  • Score: 4

11:28am Tue 18 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

If the smoking is carried out in an outside smoking shelter, then it is the same as for pubs.

But if it is approved on that basis, then I would suggest a couple of enforcement visits would be advisable to check compliance.
If the smoking is carried out in an outside smoking shelter, then it is the same as for pubs. But if it is approved on that basis, then I would suggest a couple of enforcement visits would be advisable to check compliance. Excluded again
  • Score: 5

12:35pm Tue 18 Mar 14

woolywords says...

As I stated some time ago, there is nothing stopping the Council from creating a local byelaw to stop these places from opening or operating. However, they seem to want to make some political capital out of disparaging those that already operate and do nothing about it in the meanwhile. Your hands are not tied, if you have the facility to take positive action and all this hand-wringing is just a complete sham that fools nobody at all.
Am sure that the proposed premise owners will be more than happy to give a written undertaking to be vigilant about whom enters but in reality, this is going to be very difficult to enforce, even with the best will in the World.
Councilors should not vacillate but instead, legislate.
As I stated some time ago, there is nothing stopping the Council from creating a local byelaw to stop these places from opening or operating. However, they seem to want to make some political capital out of disparaging those that already operate and do nothing about it in the meanwhile. Your hands are not tied, if you have the facility to take positive action and all this hand-wringing is just a complete sham that fools nobody at all. Am sure that the proposed premise owners will be more than happy to give a written undertaking to be vigilant about whom enters but in reality, this is going to be very difficult to enforce, even with the best will in the World. Councilors should not vacillate but instead, legislate. woolywords
  • Score: 3

12:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

I urge the decision makers to reject this application on child protection grounds as shisha bars time and again have been linked to child sex grooming. Many customers are white teenagers and older Asian/Muslim men.
I urge the decision makers to reject this application on child protection grounds as shisha bars time and again have been linked to child sex grooming. Many customers are white teenagers and older Asian/Muslim men. Reality50
  • Score: 2

1:42pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Rumpole says...

"""The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced."""

So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other?
"""The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced.""" So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other? Rumpole
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

Rumpole wrote:
"""The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced."""

So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other?
Licensing premises enables them to be better regulated - or cracked down on. If you want to close a place, you don't have to go though a longwinded and expensive court case, you just suspend or remove the license. If you want to prosecute someone for not complying with the license, you don't need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that so-and-so is responsible - the licensee is responsible.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: """The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced.""" So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other?[/p][/quote]Licensing premises enables them to be better regulated - or cracked down on. If you want to close a place, you don't have to go though a longwinded and expensive court case, you just suspend or remove the license. If you want to prosecute someone for not complying with the license, you don't need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that so-and-so is responsible - the licensee is responsible. Excluded again
  • Score: 2

11:20pm Tue 18 Mar 14

woolywords says...

Rumpole wrote:
"""The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced."""

So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other?
Am I supposed to believe that any objections to these places are wholly confined to one racial group and not something that will be of concern to everyone?
Would it not make better sense to appeal to anyone whom has read these columns and realises that, their child is frequenting a place that has a really bad reputation and that, to be seen in such places, brings a certain stigma with it? People will see how there is an assumption of them being drug dens, haunts for groomers and the like, even though no prosecutions have ever been brought.
These are the new amusement arcades and pool halls, where certain unsavoury types of person congregate, with the addition of them being borderline legal and the more the adults whinge and moan about them, the more attractive they inevitably become, the place in vogue.
After all, you will recall that, when there was the outcry about wearing a burqa, the middle of Blackburn turned into a near penguin colony, for months afterwards.
This debate is doing exactly the same. Or has there been a sudden huge rush, to want to smoke yourself to death, just because they banned smoking in the pubs, that they never went in?
Let's get a sense of proportion here and create a byelaw to take care of it!
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: """The council is currently seeking more powers to crack down on unscrupulous shisha cafes, and council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced.""" So, on the one hand the council is asking for more power to crack down on shisha cafes and the other is asking for a licensing system to be introduced to allow shisha cafes, will pubs and clubs be allowed to apply for a license to allow smoking on their premises? or do we continue to bend the rules to suit one side of the community over the other?[/p][/quote]Am I supposed to believe that any objections to these places are wholly confined to one racial group and not something that will be of concern to everyone? Would it not make better sense to appeal to anyone whom has read these columns and realises that, their child is frequenting a place that has a really bad reputation and that, to be seen in such places, brings a certain stigma with it? People will see how there is an assumption of them being drug dens, haunts for groomers and the like, even though no prosecutions have ever been brought. These are the new amusement arcades and pool halls, where certain unsavoury types of person congregate, with the addition of them being borderline legal and the more the adults whinge and moan about them, the more attractive they inevitably become, the place in vogue. After all, you will recall that, when there was the outcry about wearing a burqa, the middle of Blackburn turned into a near penguin colony, for months afterwards. This debate is doing exactly the same. Or has there been a sudden huge rush, to want to smoke yourself to death, just because they banned smoking in the pubs, that they never went in? Let's get a sense of proportion here and create a byelaw to take care of it! woolywords
  • Score: 0

11:27pm Tue 18 Mar 14

mmickk says...

3 out of the top 4 news articles on this site are about Asian adult sex offences with children in Blackburn and even the police have said these attract school kids its a no brainer shut them all down.
3 out of the top 4 news articles on this site are about Asian adult sex offences with children in Blackburn and even the police have said these attract school kids its a no brainer shut them all down. mmickk
  • Score: 5

11:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Saj143 says...

mmickk wrote:
3 out of the top 4 news articles on this site are about Asian adult sex offences with children in Blackburn and even the police have said these attract school kids its a no brainer shut them all down.
Hang on....last week or so they were all white perpetrators...not include the sex maniac MP - the sex maniac Publicist etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]mmickk[/bold] wrote: 3 out of the top 4 news articles on this site are about Asian adult sex offences with children in Blackburn and even the police have said these attract school kids its a no brainer shut them all down.[/p][/quote]Hang on....last week or so they were all white perpetrators...not include the sex maniac MP - the sex maniac Publicist etc etc. Saj143
  • Score: 2

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