Blackburn 'dog poo' poster fury

Residents are offended looking out of their windows at the council posters

Residents are offended looking out of their windows at the council posters

First published in News

CONTROVERSIAL new anti-dog fouling notices have been slammed by residents for being ‘deeply offensive’.

Around 180 signs showing a graphic picture of dog mess underneath the words ‘No Bull’ are part of a hard-hitting campaign aimed at getting owners to clean up after their pets.

The Blackburn with Darwen Council signs warn dog owners that £1,200 has already been collected in fines so far this year from people flouting the law.

And they add: “Don’t spend your childrens’ holiday money on a fine”.

But angry residents living close to the signs have described them as disgusting, with some demanding they be taken down.

Dawn Fish, 25, lives in Newchurch Close, where one of the posters has been erected, opposite her kitchen window.

She said: “I think it’s absolutely wrong. I understand where they’re coming from, because it’s not nice, kids play out on the street and will see that.

“It’s been worded about coming out of your children’s holiday money, but none of us even have dogs on this row.

“My little boy started reading it, and I told him to come away.

“I will move it myself because I don’t want that staring through my window.”

Michael Lord, 41, whose daughter lives in Newchurch Close, has also complained about the poster.

He said: “I travel up and down, all over the UK, and I’ve never seen anything as off-putting as that.

“I have a four-year-old grandson, and it’s not nice for anybody really, but especially not children, where they play.

“I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.”

Coun Mike Lee, conservative leader, said: “It does sound like they’ve gone a bit over the top, putting pictures like that all over the place.

“I understand the council does want to get the message across, but this does seem a bit like overkill.

But Blackburn Council has defended its use of the posters.

Coun Shaukat Hussain, lead member for environment, said: “We consulted widely with residents before we produced the signs, and the message was very loud and clear hard-hitting images are what was wanted by people to tackle this disgusting behaviour which blights our streets.

“Moreover, research by the Tidy Britain Group and meetings with residents confirms that dog fouling is the most detested of all environmental offences, and the council’s view is that it must be tackled in the strongest way possible, which these posters do.

“We take dog fouling extremely seriously, and use all powers available to rid our streets of this anti-social and disgusting practice, including using these hard-hitting facts and messages in the public view to hopefully shame those people who selfishly and irresponsibly fail to keep their borough’s streets clean.”

A spokeswoman for the council said the posters were part of a rolling campaign, and had not been put up specifically in time for half term or the upcoming Easter holidays.

In the 2012/13 financial year the council issued 16 fixed penalty notices, totalling £875, and brought one prosecution, bringing in a £50 fine, £150 costs, and a £15 victim surcharge.

So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge.

When asked about the posters, opinion among shoppers in Blackburn town centre yesterday was mixed.

Jacqui Burns said the posters were a good idea. She said: “I’m a dog owner, so I’m not opposed to dogs, but nobody cleans dog mess, the path near my house is filthy, and nothing gets done.”

Zara Bleeks said: “I think adults will find it humourous, they won’t think it’s serious. But it’s not the right idea for kids.”

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11:57am Mon 24 Feb 14

CyberWala says...

as if anyone gives a 5hit ;-)
as if anyone gives a 5hit ;-) CyberWala
  • Score: 20

12:05pm Mon 24 Feb 14

useyourhead says...

I take it we are not allowed to see the sign and judge for ourselves, terrible photo.
I take it we are not allowed to see the sign and judge for ourselves, terrible photo. useyourhead
  • Score: 45

12:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mmickk says...

Well with the mentality of Dawn Fish (I will take it down myself!) I'm surprised she can read. The whole point is the more hard hitting the more notice taken. they should have put a picture of a 3 year old crying with dog poo on there hands that's more to the point and make people think.
Well with the mentality of Dawn Fish (I will take it down myself!) I'm surprised she can read. The whole point is the more hard hitting the more notice taken. they should have put a picture of a 3 year old crying with dog poo on there hands that's more to the point and make people think. mmickk
  • Score: 55

1:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Bat E Karen says...

What a disappointing photo! How am I supposed to send that to APILN?

You could at least have had someone pointing and maybe someone else with arms folded. :)
What a disappointing photo! How am I supposed to send that to APILN? You could at least have had someone pointing and maybe someone else with arms folded. :) Bat E Karen
  • Score: 19

1:11pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Malthus says...

I am sure that Dawn Fish would find it more traumatic if her child contracted Toxocariasis as a result of an irresponsible dog owner. I would also believe that most people would prefer to see the signs rather than to see piles of dog excrement littering, streets, grass verges and children's play areas.
I am sure that Dawn Fish would find it more traumatic if her child contracted Toxocariasis as a result of an irresponsible dog owner. I would also believe that most people would prefer to see the signs rather than to see piles of dog excrement littering, streets, grass verges and children's play areas. Malthus
  • Score: 56

3:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

I've a 20mph sign on a lamppost outside my house and I don't like that(it should be 30) but for gods sake just you watch the Politically correct brigade will win this and the signs will be removed, we can't go upsetting folk can we, our children can stand in the sh!te but no we can't have a sign put up against it, god help us.
I've a 20mph sign on a lamppost outside my house and I don't like that(it should be 30) but for gods sake just you watch the Politically correct brigade will win this and the signs will be removed, we can't go upsetting folk can we, our children can stand in the sh!te but no we can't have a sign put up against it, god help us. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 26

3:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pdb951 says...

"So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge"

Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for.

What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess?

Get you act together council your SH*T
"So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge" Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for. What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess? Get you act together council your SH*T pdb951
  • Score: -15

4:27pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Mr Blunt says...

Is the poster more disgusting than the people that let there dogs sh1t and don't pick up after it?! I don't think so ..... obviously some people would rather have piles of sh1t on their pavements than signs like this on a lamp post!!!
Is the poster more disgusting than the people that let there dogs sh1t and don't pick up after it?! I don't think so ..... obviously some people would rather have piles of sh1t on their pavements than signs like this on a lamp post!!! Mr Blunt
  • Score: 21

5:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

darwenTower says...

pdb951 wrote:
"So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge"

Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for.

What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess?

Get you act together council your SH*T
And why not.

I'd happily see the council charge any amount to the sort of disgusting, pig ignorant, thick, filthy, selfish scumbag that for some reason I cannot fathom thinks it's OK to leave a pile of faeces on the pavement.

If you are the sort of person, who would probably be better suited to cave dwelling, please feel free to enlighten me as to why pavements scattered with dog mess in varying states of decay and structural integrity is OK.
[quote][p][bold]pdb951[/bold] wrote: "So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge" Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for. What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess? Get you act together council your SH*T[/p][/quote]And why not. I'd happily see the council charge any amount to the sort of disgusting, pig ignorant, thick, filthy, selfish scumbag that for some reason I cannot fathom thinks it's OK to leave a pile of faeces on the pavement. If you are the sort of person, who would probably be better suited to cave dwelling, please feel free to enlighten me as to why pavements scattered with dog mess in varying states of decay and structural integrity is OK. darwenTower
  • Score: 17

6:05pm Mon 24 Feb 14

past it says...

Here is a rare thing well done BwD council, and shame on anyone that thinks its OK to not pick up their precious dogs mess.
Here is a rare thing well done BwD council, and shame on anyone that thinks its OK to not pick up their precious dogs mess. past it
  • Score: 17

7:07pm Mon 24 Feb 14

M.DANNY says...

Blackburn is full of dog mess no regards for kid's play area and they even bring dog's in town centre .
Well done BwD council shame and fine those culprits who do not pick up their dog mess on public footpaths, ,children's play area and public parks.
Blackburn is full of dog mess no regards for kid's play area and they even bring dog's in town centre . Well done BwD council shame and fine those culprits who do not pick up their dog mess on public footpaths, ,children's play area and public parks. M.DANNY
  • Score: 12

7:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

earl hibbert says...

The Dog Fouling Problem allowed by irresponsible owners is difficult to law enforce as the problem occurs mainly early morning and late evening when no one is around. my suggestion is to introduce a dog fouling clean up tax, along with a dog licence for every single dog that is owned. then the Councils can employ personnel to clean it up on a daily basis. earl, Chorley.
The Dog Fouling Problem allowed by irresponsible owners is difficult to law enforce as the problem occurs mainly early morning and late evening when no one is around. my suggestion is to introduce a dog fouling clean up tax, along with a dog licence for every single dog that is owned. then the Councils can employ personnel to clean it up on a daily basis. earl, Chorley. earl hibbert
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Mon 24 Feb 14

hunter3062 says...

dirty dog owners leaving the shat all over our streets..hit em hard hit em where it hurts the pockets..i love the signage gets the message over for once..still hard to beat the no sh*t sherlock campaign though..
dirty dog owners leaving the shat all over our streets..hit em hard hit em where it hurts the pockets..i love the signage gets the message over for once..still hard to beat the no sh*t sherlock campaign though.. hunter3062
  • Score: 5

8:07pm Mon 24 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

LT: the photo is pathetic. Why do you even bother?
LT: the photo is pathetic. Why do you even bother? happycyclist
  • Score: 2

8:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

chammy says...

Nobody takes dog mess seriously enough,its everywhere,people who dont pick the muck up should have to patrol the streets and clean all the dog mess up,this would shame them into picking their dogs mess up,its disgusting,its all over the place,im not against dogs,just the ignorant people that think its acceptable to contaminate all the streets,Come on Blackburn with Darwen,get the cameras out,it will soon stop,if you introduce big enough fines
Nobody takes dog mess seriously enough,its everywhere,people who dont pick the muck up should have to patrol the streets and clean all the dog mess up,this would shame them into picking their dogs mess up,its disgusting,its all over the place,im not against dogs,just the ignorant people that think its acceptable to contaminate all the streets,Come on Blackburn with Darwen,get the cameras out,it will soon stop,if you introduce big enough fines chammy
  • Score: 4

12:39am Tue 25 Feb 14

khakkij says...

Totally agree., just pick it up., aint difficult., and yes the pavements are disgusting, but nothing will be done, but also i have a dog and always pick his mess up., but on another note., i am sick of seeing kids!! and i mean kids!! spitting all over the street., so us dogowners do our bit and you parents do yours with your kids spitting allsorts up and not giving a dam., i was on manxman,and kids no older than 5 or 6., language, behaviour disgusting., so dont blame it all on the dogs. Week after week., the same old backs where majority of them are dossers., throw their **** all over and week after week, it is picked up at taxpayers expense!
Totally agree., just pick it up., aint difficult., and yes the pavements are disgusting, but nothing will be done, but also i have a dog and always pick his mess up., but on another note., i am sick of seeing kids!! and i mean kids!! spitting all over the street., so us dogowners do our bit and you parents do yours with your kids spitting allsorts up and not giving a dam., i was on manxman,and kids no older than 5 or 6., language, behaviour disgusting., so dont blame it all on the dogs. Week after week., the same old backs where majority of them are dossers., throw their **** all over and week after week, it is picked up at taxpayers expense! khakkij
  • Score: 1

6:28am Tue 25 Feb 14

woolywords says...

In all the years that I've read about this problem, never once, have I heard of a practical solution. We want to hang them, flog or whip them, shoot them or tax them to death but none of it's a deterrent, is it?
This problem would go away, overnight, with a simple bit of training, that takes no doing.
You can teach your dog to sit, stay or come, roll over and fetch, why not teach it to defecate in the gutter?
At a stroke, this whole problem will be resolved.
In all the years that I've read about this problem, never once, have I heard of a practical solution. We want to hang them, flog or whip them, shoot them or tax them to death but none of it's a deterrent, is it? This problem would go away, overnight, with a simple bit of training, that takes no doing. You can teach your dog to sit, stay or come, roll over and fetch, why not teach it to defecate in the gutter? At a stroke, this whole problem will be resolved. woolywords
  • Score: 1

11:18am Tue 25 Feb 14

midas says...

pdb951 wrote:
"So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge" Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for. What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess? Get you act together council your SH*T
On what world is issuing 3 (three) penalty notices "a way of collecting revenue? How much does it cost to clean the dog faeces off the street? Fixed Penalty Notices aren't fines, only a court can impose a fine. Victim surcharge is imposed by the Magistrates whenever anyone is fined and the money goes to fund victim support.

What is more worrying is that Bwd only issued 16 penalty notices last year.
[quote][p][bold]pdb951[/bold] wrote: "So far in 2013 three fixed penalty notices have already been issued, earning £175 in total for the council, and one prosecution resulted in a £75 fine, £359.57 costs, and a £20 victim surcharge" Yet again we see the council using fines as a way of collecting revenue. That is not what these fines are for. What the hell is a victim surcharge as related to dog mess? Get you act together council your SH*T[/p][/quote]On what world is issuing 3 (three) penalty notices "a way of collecting revenue? How much does it cost to clean the dog faeces off the street? Fixed Penalty Notices aren't fines, only a court can impose a fine. Victim surcharge is imposed by the Magistrates whenever anyone is fined and the money goes to fund victim support. What is more worrying is that Bwd only issued 16 penalty notices last year. midas
  • Score: 4

3:20pm Tue 25 Feb 14

BIGGLESTOE says...

woolywords wrote:
In all the years that I've read about this problem, never once, have I heard of a practical solution. We want to hang them, flog or whip them, shoot them or tax them to death but none of it's a deterrent, is it?
This problem would go away, overnight, with a simple bit of training, that takes no doing.
You can teach your dog to sit, stay or come, roll over and fetch, why not teach it to defecate in the gutter?
At a stroke, this whole problem will be resolved.
Bad Idea, for the simple reason, that there are far too many uninsured drugged up fwkwits around East Lancs that would be only too happy to drive over your dog, whilst it could be lingering for far too long on the roadside. The problem/solution goes back to the lazy owner, who needs disciplining & training. Some smell you are advocating in summer when gutters block up, me-thinks!!!
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: In all the years that I've read about this problem, never once, have I heard of a practical solution. We want to hang them, flog or whip them, shoot them or tax them to death but none of it's a deterrent, is it? This problem would go away, overnight, with a simple bit of training, that takes no doing. You can teach your dog to sit, stay or come, roll over and fetch, why not teach it to defecate in the gutter? At a stroke, this whole problem will be resolved.[/p][/quote]Bad Idea, for the simple reason, that there are far too many uninsured drugged up fwkwits around East Lancs that would be only too happy to drive over your dog, whilst it could be lingering for far too long on the roadside. The problem/solution goes back to the lazy owner, who needs disciplining & training. Some smell you are advocating in summer when gutters block up, me-thinks!!! BIGGLESTOE
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MaDawu says...

I agree with you Earl of Choreley. In fact I suggested this the the council years ago and they snubbed me. They even got google to close my email account down because I also used to complain about spitting. I used to live in Surrey Heath Council and down there they had a dog/pet register: the Officer would visit different area twice a week and inspect a certain radius. If he found any, dog owners within that area would be fined. so the dog owners would then police their patches. I told them of this and how to use Vets to collect the dog register.
This Cllr is able to describe dog poo as disgusting but he has constantly refused to do the same with spitting!!!! No wonder why - who spits the most? - Hey. I suggested for the council to have it mentioned in Mosques and schools, but no - there is no money for it. What is wrong with bungling them together in the same poster - as well as littering, and kill three birds with one stone!!!! I have suggested all this and still there is no money for that!!!!
Look at Manchester, and all other towns and cities, but no! - not Blackburn. I have suggested using the media - because being a multicultural community / society, the culprits need education on the subject of hygiene etc. We have got The Bee Radio Station & The telegraph within reach and Cllrs can use these tools surely. Year after year we come on top of the list with the most TB cases and not a single thing is done to address the health vs hygiene problem. Not a single poster even at the libraries or Health Centres about spiting and TB.
Hats off of course the poster, but more needs doing still. Blackburn is the most beautiful town for miles around here and some scums spoil it for everyone.
Q
I agree with you Earl of Choreley. In fact I suggested this the the council years ago and they snubbed me. They even got google to close my email account down because I also used to complain about spitting. I used to live in Surrey Heath Council and down there they had a dog/pet register: the Officer would visit different area twice a week and inspect a certain radius. If he found any, dog owners within that area would be fined. so the dog owners would then police their patches. I told them of this and how to use Vets to collect the dog register. This Cllr is able to describe dog poo as disgusting but he has constantly refused to do the same with spitting!!!! No wonder why - who spits the most? - Hey. I suggested for the council to have it mentioned in Mosques and schools, but no - there is no money for it. What is wrong with bungling them together in the same poster - as well as littering, and kill three birds with one stone!!!! I have suggested all this and still there is no money for that!!!! Look at Manchester, and all other towns and cities, but no! - not Blackburn. I have suggested using the media - because being a multicultural community / society, the culprits need education on the subject of hygiene etc. We have got The Bee Radio Station & The telegraph within reach and Cllrs can use these tools surely. Year after year we come on top of the list with the most TB cases and not a single thing is done to address the health vs hygiene problem. Not a single poster even at the libraries or Health Centres about spiting and TB. Hats off of course the poster, but more needs doing still. Blackburn is the most beautiful town for miles around here and some scums spoil it for everyone. Q MaDawu
  • Score: 1

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