Gisburn pub stays shut as facelift rejected

Lancashire Telegraph: Plans for the White Bull at Gisburn have been turned down Plans for the White Bull at Gisburn have been turned down

THE last surviving pub in a Ribble Valley village is set to remain closed after plans to refurbish the interior were refused by Ribble Valley Borough Council.

The White Bull Hotel in Gisburn closed in November ahead of the proposed refurbishment, with owners Star Pubs and Bars also searching for a new tenant.

The company had hoped to reopen the pub in the spring but have said that the decision has delayed the project by at least three months.

The pub was established in 1865 and was left as the sole pub in the village after the closure of The New Inn, Ribblesdale Arms and The Commercial.

The Grade II listed building is owned by Star Pubs and Bars, which is currently searching for a new tenant to take on the business.

Gisburn resident David Waters said: “The closure of the pub has had an impact on the community and everyone was expecting it to reopen fairly soon after it closed last year. The village is able to sustain a pub and it would offer people another place to go again because there isn’t a lot of choice at the moment.

“It’s a shame that the council has refused the plans but it’s also important to maintain the character of the listed building.”

A Star Pubs and Bars spokeswoman said: “We were very disappointed that our planning permission was refused as it will delay the pub’s re-opening by at least three months.

“We’re talking to planning and intend to submit new plans which we hope will be acceptable.

“We’re keen to invest in the pub and would like it to re-open as soon as possible, as indeed would the local community.”

In a statement outlining the decision, the council said that the plans would be ‘harmful to the character and significance of the listed building because of the loss and alteration of important historic fabric.

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4:53pm Thu 13 Feb 14

jogalot says...

Here is a chance for the owners to bring out the best of the olde worlde charm and character of an old pub in a traditional old village and make it a place to be cherished and remembered by all visitors for years to come. I hope they are not thinking of turning it into a tacky theme bar.
Here is a chance for the owners to bring out the best of the olde worlde charm and character of an old pub in a traditional old village and make it a place to be cherished and remembered by all visitors for years to come. I hope they are not thinking of turning it into a tacky theme bar. jogalot

8:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

It's a spade! says...

jogalot wrote:
Here is a chance for the owners to bring out the best of the olde worlde charm and character of an old pub in a traditional old village and make it a place to be cherished and remembered by all visitors for years to come. I hope they are not thinking of turning it into a tacky theme bar.
As ever with these things there are usually ulterior motives. These days pub companies are not in the business of running pubs but property management and development.

So, put in plans under the guise of "investing in the pub" but which could easily be converted into........let's say apartments, at some time in the future. Sell them off and make a mint. Look no further than the Ribblesdale Arms!
[quote][p][bold]jogalot[/bold] wrote: Here is a chance for the owners to bring out the best of the olde worlde charm and character of an old pub in a traditional old village and make it a place to be cherished and remembered by all visitors for years to come. I hope they are not thinking of turning it into a tacky theme bar.[/p][/quote]As ever with these things there are usually ulterior motives. These days pub companies are not in the business of running pubs but property management and development. So, put in plans under the guise of "investing in the pub" but which could easily be converted into........let's say apartments, at some time in the future. Sell them off and make a mint. Look no further than the Ribblesdale Arms! It's a spade!

9:32am Fri 14 Feb 14

JMarkDodds says...

The pub is empty now because previous tenants' business failed paying too much rent and double the open market prices for beer supplied by their tied pub company who own the building.

The pubco's intention is to carry that on, 'investing' is designed to encourage new licensees to take on the pub as a 'lifestyle investment' and commit themselves to work hard to repay the pubco's investment - by paying too much rent and double open market prices for a bar full of bland Heineken products that have no relevance to Ribble Valley - and will likely go bust in the process of putting nose to grindstone being entrepreneurial trying to run their 'own' business which, actually, is the pubco's business they will be running for nothing.

If Gisburn people are genuinely concerned about the future of the pub and know there's demand for a great Local - the pub can be protected from change of use by being granted Asset of Community Value status but it does mean 21 people getting together to make it happen. About thirty pubs around the country have been protected this way already.

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Dale Ingram is an historic buildings expert, she's the UK's leading expert on ACV's for pubs who's done several of these applications for communities around the country. It would be worth approaching her for advice. If you can find 21 people who live locally and are on the electoral roll - you could each put in around £15 and get the application done professionally .
The pub is empty now because previous tenants' business failed paying too much rent and double the open market prices for beer supplied by their tied pub company who own the building. The pubco's intention is to carry that on, 'investing' is designed to encourage new licensees to take on the pub as a 'lifestyle investment' and commit themselves to work hard to repay the pubco's investment - by paying too much rent and double open market prices for a bar full of bland Heineken products that have no relevance to Ribble Valley - and will likely go bust in the process of putting nose to grindstone being entrepreneurial trying to run their 'own' business which, actually, is the pubco's business they will be running for nothing. If Gisburn people are genuinely concerned about the future of the pub and know there's demand for a great Local - the pub can be protected from change of use by being granted Asset of Community Value status but it does mean 21 people getting together to make it happen. About thirty pubs around the country have been protected this way already. http://www.pubistheh ub.org.uk/assets/med ia_library/CAMRA_Gui de_to_Nominating_Pub s_as_Assets_of_Commu nity_Value_2013.pdf Dale Ingram is an historic buildings expert, she's the UK's leading expert on ACV's for pubs who's done several of these applications for communities around the country. It would be worth approaching her for advice. If you can find 21 people who live locally and are on the electoral roll - you could each put in around £15 and get the application done professionally . JMarkDodds

5:56pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Birtrumthegreat says...

It's going to remain run down and shabby looking, if the Talbot Inn at Chipping is anything to go by. Ribble Valley planning flexed the only muscle they have and prevented this from being developed into a thriving business. It has looked an eyesore for many years and is destined to remain this way for the foreseeable future.
It's going to remain run down and shabby looking, if the Talbot Inn at Chipping is anything to go by. Ribble Valley planning flexed the only muscle they have and prevented this from being developed into a thriving business. It has looked an eyesore for many years and is destined to remain this way for the foreseeable future. Birtrumthegreat

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