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24-hour bar area in Burnley ‘like a war zone’

Lancashire Telegraph: The Blu Bar, Burnley, is at the centre of a row of public order The Blu Bar, Burnley, is at the centre of a row of public order

THE streets outside a 24-hour Burnley bar have been described as ‘like a war zone’ with drinkers emerging ‘like zombies’ just before breakfast-time.

Police have linked nearly 40 fights, thefts and public disorder incidents with Blu Bar, in Cow Lane, and have demanded a licensing review.

Street cleaners have reported being allegedly attacked and abused, when they begin their early shifts near the premises.

And one unnamed taxi driver, in a supporting statement, said: “They walk up like zombies. We call 6am until 9am survival mode. It’s like a war zone.”

Sgt Michelle Dixon, licensing sergeant, said that generally town centre incidents had dropped over the past three years – but there had been a marked increase in Cow Lane and around Blu Bar. There has been a remarkable increase in incidents between 6am and 8am, which is attributable to these premises, as they are the only premises operating at these times,” she said.

The sergeant said that the only other 24-hour bar, Lava and Ignite, now closed, generally stopped serving around 5am.

But bosses at Blu have insisted that most of the trouble occurs outside their premises and they are paying the price as the latest opening venue in town.

Francesco Musso, the bar’s designated premises supervisor, said there had only been one assault inside the venue in the last 12 months.

He said: “As much as I appreciate the problems police have indicated, the problem lies with the licensing laws.

“The majority of fighting happens outside. Because we are the last place open, we deal with the brunt of things.”

Councillors sitting on the borough’s licensing sub-committee, which would have the power to modify or suspend the bar’s licence, will meet tomorrow to discuss the issue.

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3:15pm Tue 11 Feb 14

onsidecobra says...

Zombies in Burnley? Never!
Zombies in Burnley? Never! onsidecobra
  • Score: 20

3:42pm Tue 11 Feb 14

GracesDad says...

Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!!
Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!! GracesDad
  • Score: 15

3:56pm Tue 11 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.
How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws. rudis_dad
  • Score: 10

4:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

POW WOW says...

Aye then they're all tanked up ready for the day session in wetherspoons !!!!!
Aye then they're all tanked up ready for the day session in wetherspoons !!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 19

4:26pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Champagne plus charlie says...

GracesDad wrote:
Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!!
Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.
[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!![/p][/quote]Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington. Champagne plus charlie
  • Score: 22

4:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bow1974 says...

good to see it named after the mighty Blackburn rovers (cmon you blues)
good to see it named after the mighty Blackburn rovers (cmon you blues) bow1974
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Tue 11 Feb 14

GracesDad says...

Champagne plus charlie wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!!
Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.
I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn.
[quote][p][bold]Champagne plus charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!![/p][/quote]Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.[/p][/quote]I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn. GracesDad
  • Score: 8

5:04pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Champagne plus charlie says...

GracesDad wrote:
Champagne plus charlie wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!!
Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.
I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn.
Ahhh Darwen resident eh?

Figures
[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Champagne plus charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!![/p][/quote]Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.[/p][/quote]I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn.[/p][/quote]Ahhh Darwen resident eh? Figures Champagne plus charlie
  • Score: -4

5:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

GracesDad says...

Champagne plus charlie wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
Champagne plus charlie wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!!
Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.
I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn.
Ahhh Darwen resident eh?

Figures
Wrong again!
[quote][p][bold]Champagne plus charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Champagne plus charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: Burnley is getting some serious bad press today in the LET. Proof that it is a complete s#1thole!!!![/p][/quote]Says a gimp from Blackburn, a place that makes Benefits Street look like Kensington.[/p][/quote]I don't live in Blackburn and never have as it's just as big a dump as Burnley. Funny that just because I disrespect Burnley you automatically assume I'm from Blackburn.[/p][/quote]Ahhh Darwen resident eh? Figures[/p][/quote]Wrong again! GracesDad
  • Score: 7

5:32pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mavrick says...

Is it not time to say enough is enough on 24 hour drinking, nobody in their right mind needs to drink to the excess being reported, I wonder how many are on other substances as well as drink. I would close these places down there is nothing but trouble where they are. Alcohol is overdue to be discussed as a health hazard, It is more damaging than smoking. The average British youth can't drink sensibly or hold their drink .
Is it not time to say enough is enough on 24 hour drinking, nobody in their right mind needs to drink to the excess being reported, I wonder how many are on other substances as well as drink. I would close these places down there is nothing but trouble where they are. Alcohol is overdue to be discussed as a health hazard, It is more damaging than smoking. The average British youth can't drink sensibly or hold their drink . mavrick
  • Score: 15

5:49pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Fmusso11 says...

rudis_dad wrote:
How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.
I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later.

When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame.

This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes.

I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper.

Thanks,

Frankie Musso
[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later. When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame. This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes. I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper. Thanks, Frankie Musso Fmusso11
  • Score: 13

6:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Stone Island: says...

A TV company is looking for people from Burnley to appear in a documentary. They are looking for people with shaved heads, goatee beards, tattoos on knuckles, beer bellies and who can f*rt and belch at will.
Successful applicants will be allowed to take their husbands or boyfriends with them.
A TV company is looking for people from Burnley to appear in a documentary. They are looking for people with shaved heads, goatee beards, tattoos on knuckles, beer bellies and who can f*rt and belch at will. Successful applicants will be allowed to take their husbands or boyfriends with them. Stone Island:
  • Score: 12

6:11pm Tue 11 Feb 14

woz1974 says...

shaun of the dead town........lets go to the winchester have a few pints wait till it all blows over
shaun of the dead town........lets go to the winchester have a few pints wait till it all blows over woz1974
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

bow1974 wrote:
good to see it named after the mighty Blackburn rovers (cmon you blues)
It's named after smurfs actually.
[quote][p][bold]bow1974[/bold] wrote: good to see it named after the mighty Blackburn rovers (cmon you blues)[/p][/quote]It's named after smurfs actually. Steven Seagull
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

Stone Island: wrote:
A TV company is looking for people from Burnley to appear in a documentary. They are looking for people with shaved heads, goatee beards, tattoos on knuckles, beer bellies and who can f*rt and belch at will.
Successful applicants will be allowed to take their husbands or boyfriends with them.
Is yer mum going to apply?
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: A TV company is looking for people from Burnley to appear in a documentary. They are looking for people with shaved heads, goatee beards, tattoos on knuckles, beer bellies and who can f*rt and belch at will. Successful applicants will be allowed to take their husbands or boyfriends with them.[/p][/quote]Is yer mum going to apply? Steven Seagull
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Tue 11 Feb 14

newspaperbull says...

This is a joke as someone who works on the streets of Burnley every Thursday Friday and Saturday night I can tell you that the reason that these incidents happen at such a late hour is due to the fact the police don't do anything in the first place apart from disperse the crowd which in turn pushes the disturbance down to blu bar probably so they can report another incident there when actually it happened in the centre of town, for example the police have a very convenient shift change over at around 4am which somehow lasts an hour meaning that when some of the bars shut there are fights in the town centre mostly on the bridge where there due to the convenient shift change over there are no police at all and I mean not 1 patrol car or officer , it is crazy. Another great example is when I watched a man get glassed causing a 3 inch gash in the back of his head and then 5 mins later another man get punched outside a burger van who then lay on the floor for 15-20 mins until the police were called and they eventually realised they have a job to do and a duty to the people of Burnley so they turned up as usual asking what has happened , well maybe if they were there then they could answer that question themselves. Its also mentioned that there is an increase of incidents at 6-8am , well there will be as that's when usually the police turn up if they were there at about 4:30 they would could report them then. Would be great to have a meeting with Sgt Michelle Dixon as I have about 100 more story's to tell her like the ones above all happening at the same time when there are no police in the town centre. Stop blaming bars and clubs and tell your officers to get out of there cars and vans and underneath hammerton house (they love standing there when it rains) and actually have a presence instead of being pathetic and moaning about doing a job which they signed up and trained for .
This is a joke as someone who works on the streets of Burnley every Thursday Friday and Saturday night I can tell you that the reason that these incidents happen at such a late hour is due to the fact the police don't do anything in the first place apart from disperse the crowd which in turn pushes the disturbance down to blu bar probably so they can report another incident there when actually it happened in the centre of town, for example the police have a very convenient shift change over at around 4am which somehow lasts an hour meaning that when some of the bars shut there are fights in the town centre mostly on the bridge where there due to the convenient shift change over there are no police at all and I mean not 1 patrol car or officer , it is crazy. Another great example is when I watched a man get glassed causing a 3 inch gash in the back of his head and then 5 mins later another man get punched outside a burger van who then lay on the floor for 15-20 mins until the police were called and they eventually realised they have a job to do and a duty to the people of Burnley so they turned up as usual asking what has happened , well maybe if they were there then they could answer that question themselves. Its also mentioned that there is an increase of incidents at 6-8am , well there will be as that's when usually the police turn up if they were there at about 4:30 they would could report them then. Would be great to have a meeting with Sgt Michelle Dixon as I have about 100 more story's to tell her like the ones above all happening at the same time when there are no police in the town centre. Stop blaming bars and clubs and tell your officers to get out of there cars and vans and underneath hammerton house (they love standing there when it rains) and actually have a presence instead of being pathetic and moaning about doing a job which they signed up and trained for . newspaperbull
  • Score: 9

8:12pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Fmusso11 says...

newspaperbull wrote:
This is a joke as someone who works on the streets of Burnley every Thursday Friday and Saturday night I can tell you that the reason that these incidents happen at such a late hour is due to the fact the police don't do anything in the first place apart from disperse the crowd which in turn pushes the disturbance down to blu bar probably so they can report another incident there when actually it happened in the centre of town, for example the police have a very convenient shift change over at around 4am which somehow lasts an hour meaning that when some of the bars shut there are fights in the town centre mostly on the bridge where there due to the convenient shift change over there are no police at all and I mean not 1 patrol car or officer , it is crazy. Another great example is when I watched a man get glassed causing a 3 inch gash in the back of his head and then 5 mins later another man get punched outside a burger van who then lay on the floor for 15-20 mins until the police were called and they eventually realised they have a job to do and a duty to the people of Burnley so they turned up as usual asking what has happened , well maybe if they were there then they could answer that question themselves. Its also mentioned that there is an increase of incidents at 6-8am , well there will be as that's when usually the police turn up if they were there at about 4:30 they would could report them then. Would be great to have a meeting with Sgt Michelle Dixon as I have about 100 more story's to tell her like the ones above all happening at the same time when there are no police in the town centre. Stop blaming bars and clubs and tell your officers to get out of there cars and vans and underneath hammerton house (they love standing there when it rains) and actually have a presence instead of being pathetic and moaning about doing a job which they signed up and trained for .
Well said! I could use you being there at the review!

Thanks to whomever this is
[quote][p][bold]newspaperbull[/bold] wrote: This is a joke as someone who works on the streets of Burnley every Thursday Friday and Saturday night I can tell you that the reason that these incidents happen at such a late hour is due to the fact the police don't do anything in the first place apart from disperse the crowd which in turn pushes the disturbance down to blu bar probably so they can report another incident there when actually it happened in the centre of town, for example the police have a very convenient shift change over at around 4am which somehow lasts an hour meaning that when some of the bars shut there are fights in the town centre mostly on the bridge where there due to the convenient shift change over there are no police at all and I mean not 1 patrol car or officer , it is crazy. Another great example is when I watched a man get glassed causing a 3 inch gash in the back of his head and then 5 mins later another man get punched outside a burger van who then lay on the floor for 15-20 mins until the police were called and they eventually realised they have a job to do and a duty to the people of Burnley so they turned up as usual asking what has happened , well maybe if they were there then they could answer that question themselves. Its also mentioned that there is an increase of incidents at 6-8am , well there will be as that's when usually the police turn up if they were there at about 4:30 they would could report them then. Would be great to have a meeting with Sgt Michelle Dixon as I have about 100 more story's to tell her like the ones above all happening at the same time when there are no police in the town centre. Stop blaming bars and clubs and tell your officers to get out of there cars and vans and underneath hammerton house (they love standing there when it rains) and actually have a presence instead of being pathetic and moaning about doing a job which they signed up and trained for .[/p][/quote]Well said! I could use you being there at the review! Thanks to whomever this is Fmusso11
  • Score: 8

8:48pm Tue 11 Feb 14

shirtbox2003 says...

Time to call a halt to this all night drinking,nothing but problems for everyone.
Time to call a halt to this all night drinking,nothing but problems for everyone. shirtbox2003
  • Score: 4

9:11pm Tue 11 Feb 14

soup123 says...

There's nothing wrong with 24 hour licensing, its the people who think they need to keep drinking till closing time.
There's nothing wrong with 24 hour licensing, its the people who think they need to keep drinking till closing time. soup123
  • Score: 1

10:15pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Pointer123 says...

OMG what is wrong with the ELA & why do they never ever get their facts right ?! Seems to me it's just a very poor way of getting people's attention by printing utter rubbish & simply creates more tension, more problems & closes businesses down. The real problem is the police - they want to be in bed with their cocoa by midnight - & it's never going to happen. There's only one person who's talking sense on here & he's obviously very aware of the problem. If the local police don't like patrolling the centre all night - which they are supposed to do - then they should get a job elsewhere. It's not fair to blame anyone else. The Blubar Club is just about the safest place to go in Burnley & everyone out at that time knows it. They are well supervised, they charge entry & they don't do stupid cheap drinks - so go slander somewhere else that does ! Why are they being blamed for the spillage on the streets from other bars who've been allowed to open far too late. And that's after they've pre-loaded on more cheap booze from the Supermarkets before they even get there ! The Government have got it wrong - 24 hours does not work in this country & never will. Pubs should close at 11 & Clubs at 2 - just like they used to. All licensees would be happy & so would the police. The Government should do a U-Turn & do it quickly ! And just for the record..............
..why use the phrase from the 'unamed Taxi Driver'...........Wa
r Zone indeed !! The writer of the article has obviously never been in there or he would no doubt have an entirely different opinion. The incidents ere OUTSIDE the venue - not INSIDE - get it right for once !
OMG what is wrong with the ELA & why do they never ever get their facts right ?! Seems to me it's just a very poor way of getting people's attention by printing utter rubbish & simply creates more tension, more problems & closes businesses down. The real problem is the police - they want to be in bed with their cocoa by midnight - & it's never going to happen. There's only one person who's talking sense on here & he's obviously very aware of the problem. If the local police don't like patrolling the centre all night - which they are supposed to do - then they should get a job elsewhere. It's not fair to blame anyone else. The Blubar Club is just about the safest place to go in Burnley & everyone out at that time knows it. They are well supervised, they charge entry & they don't do stupid cheap drinks - so go slander somewhere else that does ! Why are they being blamed for the spillage on the streets from other bars who've been allowed to open far too late. And that's after they've pre-loaded on more cheap booze from the Supermarkets before they even get there ! The Government have got it wrong - 24 hours does not work in this country & never will. Pubs should close at 11 & Clubs at 2 - just like they used to. All licensees would be happy & so would the police. The Government should do a U-Turn & do it quickly ! And just for the record.............. ..why use the phrase from the 'unamed Taxi Driver'...........Wa r Zone indeed !! The writer of the article has obviously never been in there or he would no doubt have an entirely different opinion. The incidents ere OUTSIDE the venue - not INSIDE - get it right for once ! Pointer123
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Tue 11 Feb 14

WhereIsTownGoing says...

I have worked in the town for 3 years now, showing that I have seen the effects from the top of the road (Spoons) right through to the bottom (Blu Bar) and there is always trouble, but as people have more to drink the more aggressive they get. The police do there bit well until the shift change then there is a lack of presence when yes a lot of the trouble does occur around that time.

When looking at the licensing objectives need to be followed and this is what will be taken into consideration tomorrow.

Are the public safe?
The prevention of crime?
prevention of public nuisance, and disorder ?

If they believe that Blu Bar abide by these rules then i see them being fine if there is doubt of them the restrictions will be placed on the license are possible surrender of the license.

Is there the need for a full town review do the bars open to late, compared to many places then yeah look at Preston biggest club shuts at 4am. Does Burnley need to follow reduce the times to how they use to be if people come out earlier then shut earlier will this help the town... in some cases it will.

But these are just my thoughts on the situation.
I have worked in the town for 3 years now, showing that I have seen the effects from the top of the road (Spoons) right through to the bottom (Blu Bar) and there is always trouble, but as people have more to drink the more aggressive they get. The police do there bit well until the shift change then there is a lack of presence when yes a lot of the trouble does occur around that time. When looking at the licensing objectives need to be followed and this is what will be taken into consideration tomorrow. Are the public safe? The prevention of crime? prevention of public nuisance, and disorder ? If they believe that Blu Bar abide by these rules then i see them being fine if there is doubt of them the restrictions will be placed on the license are possible surrender of the license. Is there the need for a full town review do the bars open to late, compared to many places then yeah look at Preston biggest club shuts at 4am. Does Burnley need to follow reduce the times to how they use to be if people come out earlier then shut earlier will this help the town... in some cases it will. But these are just my thoughts on the situation. WhereIsTownGoing
  • Score: 3

5:56am Wed 12 Feb 14

golazzo says...

Says it all for me when I hear the Mussos mentioned.
Says it all for me when I hear the Mussos mentioned. golazzo
  • Score: 1

6:04am Wed 12 Feb 14

Three fingered Ewood fan says...

If we cut the licensing hours back down to 2300hrs for pubs and 0200hrs for nightclubs, then we can effectively reduce the requirement for a heavy police presence to around four to five hours. They would then be able to patrol further out within the town in greater numbers and concentrate on general policing.
If we cut the licensing hours back down to 2300hrs for pubs and 0200hrs for nightclubs, then we can effectively reduce the requirement for a heavy police presence to around four to five hours. They would then be able to patrol further out within the town in greater numbers and concentrate on general policing. Three fingered Ewood fan
  • Score: 7

8:01am Wed 12 Feb 14

SPANDEX SAXON WARRIOR says...

The person who wrote this article has clearly lost perspective of things.

24-hour bar area in Burnley ‘like a war zone’

I would encourage the EDITOR OF THE NEWSPAPER to have a chat with some of our brave and heroic young men and women serving in AFGHANISTAN or any other war torn deployment in the world.
PLEASE do not insult their valour by comparing a small quota of over excited teens to the horrific and mind altering scenes they have to endure whilst on duty.

Blu Bar appears to be offering refreshment and entertainment under strict British licensing regulations to the young and excitable community of Burnley. I would suggest that the conduct of those people REFUSED ENTRY maybe the cause of grievance and disturbance throughout the adjoining streets and public areas. Burnley has dozens of bars and clubs and I cant see why this one is being victimised. The report in the paper is NOT OBJECTIVE and LEANING in its persuasive writing manor. Almost SLANDEROUS?

Please have a look in any PROPER NEWSPAPER to see whats happening in the real world!

SAX
The person who wrote this article has clearly lost perspective of things. 24-hour bar area in Burnley ‘like a war zone’ I would encourage the EDITOR OF THE NEWSPAPER to have a chat with some of our brave and heroic young men and women serving in AFGHANISTAN or any other war torn deployment in the world. PLEASE do not insult their valour by comparing a small quota of over excited teens to the horrific and mind altering scenes they have to endure whilst on duty. Blu Bar appears to be offering refreshment and entertainment under strict British licensing regulations to the young and excitable community of Burnley. I would suggest that the conduct of those people REFUSED ENTRY maybe the cause of grievance and disturbance throughout the adjoining streets and public areas. Burnley has dozens of bars and clubs and I cant see why this one is being victimised. The report in the paper is NOT OBJECTIVE and LEANING in its persuasive writing manor. Almost SLANDEROUS? Please have a look in any PROPER NEWSPAPER to see whats happening in the real world! SAX SPANDEX SAXON WARRIOR
  • Score: -2

9:51am Wed 12 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

Fmusso11 wrote:
rudis_dad wrote:
How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.
I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later.

When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame.

This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes.

I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper.

Thanks,

Frankie Musso
Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision.
[quote][p][bold]Fmusso11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later. When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame. This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes. I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper. Thanks, Frankie Musso[/p][/quote]Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision. rudis_dad
  • Score: 0

9:56am Wed 12 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

Three fingered Ewood fan wrote:
If we cut the licensing hours back down to 2300hrs for pubs and 0200hrs for nightclubs, then we can effectively reduce the requirement for a heavy police presence to around four to five hours. They would then be able to patrol further out within the town in greater numbers and concentrate on general policing.
You're quite right, drinking hours should be cut back drastically. If that happened then maybe alcohol related illnesses would fall.
[quote][p][bold]Three fingered Ewood fan[/bold] wrote: If we cut the licensing hours back down to 2300hrs for pubs and 0200hrs for nightclubs, then we can effectively reduce the requirement for a heavy police presence to around four to five hours. They would then be able to patrol further out within the town in greater numbers and concentrate on general policing.[/p][/quote]You're quite right, drinking hours should be cut back drastically. If that happened then maybe alcohol related illnesses would fall. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 2

10:16am Wed 12 Feb 14

WhereIsTownGoing says...

rudis_dad wrote:
Fmusso11 wrote:
rudis_dad wrote:
How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.
I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later.

When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame.

This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes.

I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper.

Thanks,

Frankie Musso
Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision.
rudis_dad I don't think you know that people are going out later, Blu Bar is determined as the last bar and for it to be profitable and make money it needs to be open till 6am to make money. When you talk about your own local it is a local, we are talking about the main bars where everyone comes together from the locals so thats why it might shut at 1am then the people go into the town.

Burnley has one of the biggest nightlifes in Lancashire after Blackpool and Preston therefore meaning people travel to come to the town Accrington, Blackburn, Clithroe etc in turn this is bringing customers to the town and therefore bring money.

Yes the hours should go back till maybe 4am but how long will it then take for people to know they need to come out earlier because the times have changed... we should keep it how it is but enforce the licensing objectives
[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fmusso11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later. When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame. This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes. I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper. Thanks, Frankie Musso[/p][/quote]Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision.[/p][/quote]rudis_dad I don't think you know that people are going out later, Blu Bar is determined as the last bar and for it to be profitable and make money it needs to be open till 6am to make money. When you talk about your own local it is a local, we are talking about the main bars where everyone comes together from the locals so thats why it might shut at 1am then the people go into the town. Burnley has one of the biggest nightlifes in Lancashire after Blackpool and Preston therefore meaning people travel to come to the town Accrington, Blackburn, Clithroe etc in turn this is bringing customers to the town and therefore bring money. Yes the hours should go back till maybe 4am but how long will it then take for people to know they need to come out earlier because the times have changed... we should keep it how it is but enforce the licensing objectives WhereIsTownGoing
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Wed 12 Feb 14

JonnyRiddler says...

" they don't do stupid cheap drinks"

Is that the same bar that offers a free Jagerbomb with EVERY drink?
" they don't do stupid cheap drinks" Is that the same bar that offers a free Jagerbomb with EVERY drink? JonnyRiddler
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Fmusso11 says...

rudis_dad wrote:
Fmusso11 wrote:
rudis_dad wrote:
How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.
I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later.

When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame.

This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes.

I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper.

Thanks,

Frankie Musso
Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision.
Sorry mate,

But that comment just makes no sense, I'm presuming you don't have any concept on how the town centre works.

People aren't hitting the streets until 12 or 1am, likening it to your local is irrelavant, you may as well liken it to a sweet shop.
[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fmusso11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: How is people getting bladdered the fault of the licensing laws? How does that work, exactly? Go on, do tell, I'm all ears. You still have to have a licence to sell alcohol, and you still ahve to apply to the magistrates stating the hours that you want to trade - so presumably the licensee at Blu Bar has done this. They aren't FORCED to stay open until the times the licence allows, but it gives them the option. So unless I'm just being a Blackbur...sorry, knuckle-dragging simpleton, it's very much your fault, Mr Musso, and not the licensing laws.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd clear this up as the telegraph seem to have chosen what to print and what not to, I was making a point of the fact that the licensing dept have given late licenses to most bars in the town centre. So the bars are now closing at 6, therefore the clubs have to open later. When we do open after these hours, whomever comes out of the other bars comes to us, we don't necessarily let them in, but they do come. Due to a lack of police presence on the streets at these hours, these people are left to wander around and eventually end up causing problems. Because we at that point would be the only place open, we take the blame. This is why I said the fault lies with the licensing laws in the town centre, because it has given bars the same privileges as nightclubs. Forcing clubs to open later and later, you only have to look at the paper last week to see what happened to Lava Ignite to realise the effect that causes. I hope this has clarified things. Don't believe every word you read in the paper. Thanks, Frankie Musso[/p][/quote]Frank, I still don't see how it's the fault of the licensing laws - just because you have the option to stay open until 6am, does it mean that you are obliged to do so? My own local has a 24-hour license, but the landlord usually sticks to the "normal" hours, closing at 11pm on Monday through Thursday and occasionally staying open until 1 in the morning on a Saturday depending upon the level of custom. Or, it give him the option of staying open without breaking the law if there's a sporting event on the TV which is being aired live from the USA, boxing matches for example. No one is forcing you, or any of the clubs to open until the early hours, it's your own decision.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate, But that comment just makes no sense, I'm presuming you don't have any concept on how the town centre works. People aren't hitting the streets until 12 or 1am, likening it to your local is irrelavant, you may as well liken it to a sweet shop. Fmusso11
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Fmusso11 says...

JonnyRiddler wrote:
" they don't do stupid cheap drinks"

Is that the same bar that offers a free Jagerbomb with EVERY drink?
And at just short of £4 a drink, your right that is stupid and cheap
[quote][p][bold]JonnyRiddler[/bold] wrote: " they don't do stupid cheap drinks" Is that the same bar that offers a free Jagerbomb with EVERY drink?[/p][/quote]And at just short of £4 a drink, your right that is stupid and cheap Fmusso11
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Wed 12 Feb 14

NelsonAsianButProudBritish says...

I as an asian can only say that Blackburn in general has racism and poverty oozing out of every wretched pothold in its damned greying decayed streets. These taxi drivers have second homes in Pakistan, 5 sons each all drug dealing and driving super powered cars and then have the nerve to be photographed here looking for sympathy from working class taxpayers? no chance. I'm asian, yes. Muslim, yes. But i cannot be a part of this shambles.
I as an asian can only say that Blackburn in general has racism and poverty oozing out of every wretched pothold in its damned greying decayed streets. These taxi drivers have second homes in Pakistan, 5 sons each all drug dealing and driving super powered cars and then have the nerve to be photographed here looking for sympathy from working class taxpayers? no chance. I'm asian, yes. Muslim, yes. But i cannot be a part of this shambles. NelsonAsianButProudBritish
  • Score: 5

12:10am Thu 13 Feb 14

Common_Sense1 says...

Having been out and worked in Burnley for many years there are a few issues at hand. The biggest portion of blame should lie with the idiots who can't handle their drink and start fights for no reason. In 15 years of going out I've never been involved in a fight of any kind. Secondly, the Police have to finish work at some point so let's not have a go at them because they finish at 4am. People would still complain if they left at 5/6/7am. Feel free to double your council tax and pay for more cops if you have a problem with how many of them there are. It's not individual officers fault if they are understaffed so don't have a go at the cops on the street. Lastly, blue bar probably gets a bad press because it's the last place open and therefore any street trouble will be blamed on them. Having said that, the main entrance from the street is too far away from the building entrance and vision is obscured by that shed thing. It means the door staff have no idea what happens down there and people wander out on to the street with glass bottles and start fights. If the club moved their door staff to the street entrance I bet the number of incidents outside their club would drop to virtually zero and the Police couldn't complain about them. Just a thought Mr Musso but I'd move 2 door staff to here and see what improvement that makes.
Having been out and worked in Burnley for many years there are a few issues at hand. The biggest portion of blame should lie with the idiots who can't handle their drink and start fights for no reason. In 15 years of going out I've never been involved in a fight of any kind. Secondly, the Police have to finish work at some point so let's not have a go at them because they finish at 4am. People would still complain if they left at 5/6/7am. Feel free to double your council tax and pay for more cops if you have a problem with how many of them there are. It's not individual officers fault if they are understaffed so don't have a go at the cops on the street. Lastly, blue bar probably gets a bad press because it's the last place open and therefore any street trouble will be blamed on them. Having said that, the main entrance from the street is too far away from the building entrance and vision is obscured by that shed thing. It means the door staff have no idea what happens down there and people wander out on to the street with glass bottles and start fights. If the club moved their door staff to the street entrance I bet the number of incidents outside their club would drop to virtually zero and the Police couldn't complain about them. Just a thought Mr Musso but I'd move 2 door staff to here and see what improvement that makes. Common_Sense1
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Pointer123 says...

Good point Common Sense...............
.....but I know for a fact they've tried to move the entrance & got knocked back by the police ! The door at the front of the old falcon pub would be far better for everyone. Also, you can't take bottles outside so thats not an issue, but if the back was just a beer garden/smoking area it would make a lot of sense as it would be all closed in.
Good point Common Sense............... .....but I know for a fact they've tried to move the entrance & got knocked back by the police ! The door at the front of the old falcon pub would be far better for everyone. Also, you can't take bottles outside so thats not an issue, but if the back was just a beer garden/smoking area it would make a lot of sense as it would be all closed in. Pointer123
  • Score: 6

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