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Police appeal after taxi driver attacked in Bacup

Lancashire Telegraph: Police appeal after taxi driver attacked in Bacup Police appeal after taxi driver attacked in Bacup

A GROUP of men attacked a taxi driver, vandalised his vehicle, subjected him to racist abuse, and robbed him of £40.

The three offenders had flagged down the silver Vauxhall Vectra outside the bus station in Bacup Road, Bacup, and asked the driver, 34, to take them to the town centre.

A fare was agreed and the men gave a mobile phone as a deposit, telling the driver they would pay the rest on arrival.

On the way there, the men became aggressive and demanded the phone back, which he refused.

One of them pulled on the handbrake, stopping the taxi.

One passenger snatched £40 cash from the driver’s hand and all three offenders got out of the taxi.

The driver also got out, and a rear passenger began to pull the taxi light off the top of the car, while another of the men struck the driver in the face with a belt and demanded the phone back.

The driver then gave the men the phone, but was struck again with the belt buckle.

One of the offenders then smashed a rear window.

All three offenders then made off along Union Street.

The incident happened at around 4am on Tuesday, February 4. Anyone with information should call police on 101.

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6:15pm Mon 10 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

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6:20pm Mon 10 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

I have no sympathy what-so-ever with this taxi driver - he obviously didn't trust these people, because if he did, why would he have asked for the phone as a "deposit"?

Given this report, the distances involved are not a great deal, so the fare wouldn't be that expensive, possibly three or four quid at the most.

Are taxi drivers really that desperate to earn money that they will put themselves at such risks?

What the hell were these lads doing out at this time anyway - unusual behaviour!
I have no sympathy what-so-ever with this taxi driver - he obviously didn't trust these people, because if he did, why would he have asked for the phone as a "deposit"? Given this report, the distances involved are not a great deal, so the fare wouldn't be that expensive, possibly three or four quid at the most. Are taxi drivers really that desperate to earn money that they will put themselves at such risks? What the hell were these lads doing out at this time anyway - unusual behaviour! nmclean77
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8:30pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

Is there any CCTV working in the town centre? If not, why not?
Is there any CCTV working in the town centre? If not, why not? Loving lances
  • Score: 5

8:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Doug Spencer says...

Are taxi drivers allowed to take items as deposits?
The CCTV in Bacup obviously doesn't work. The camera is at the top of Union St. IF the Police base had been opened in July last year as was promised, maybe the offenders would have been seen. Currently, the only Police presence in Bacup is accompanied by sirens as they drive like loonies from Waterfoot.
The next scheduled Police appearance is to arrest the Coco Nutters for dancing in the street!!
Are taxi drivers allowed to take items as deposits? The CCTV in Bacup obviously doesn't work. The camera is at the top of Union St. IF the Police base had been opened in July last year as was promised, maybe the offenders would have been seen. Currently, the only Police presence in Bacup is accompanied by sirens as they drive like loonies from Waterfoot. The next scheduled Police appearance is to arrest the Coco Nutters for dancing in the street!! Doug Spencer
  • Score: 13

9:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

yes we are allowed to take items as deposit,

We are also advised by the police to take money up front, exactly because of idiots like this.

the distance involved between rawtenstall and bacup at that time of the morning would be £15

Are taxi drivers so desperate for money that they would put themselves at such risk?, these are risks which should not be there, we are at risk at all time from luinatics like this, which is exactly why we are exempt from wearing seatbelts, given the loss of business over the last few years, yes we are.

no sympathy? so you think that the behaviour of idiots like this is acceptable?
or would you rather there were no taxi services late at night to make sure your children (or yourself) can get transport home safe?

do you not think that taxi drivers have the right to be safe while providing that service?
yes we are allowed to take items as deposit, We are also advised by the police to take money up front, exactly because of idiots like this. the distance involved between rawtenstall and bacup at that time of the morning would be £15 Are taxi drivers so desperate for money that they would put themselves at such risk?, these are risks which should not be there, we are at risk at all time from luinatics like this, which is exactly why we are exempt from wearing seatbelts, given the loss of business over the last few years, yes we are. no sympathy? so you think that the behaviour of idiots like this is acceptable? or would you rather there were no taxi services late at night to make sure your children (or yourself) can get transport home safe? do you not think that taxi drivers have the right to be safe while providing that service? mysay.com
  • Score: 9

10:07pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Doug Spencer says...

To support mysay.com. EVERY trader or businessperson including Taxi drivers and take-away workers should be safe and able to do their job without fear.
Another story on the LT refers to Blackburn taxi drivers having a hard time so YES I guess taxi drivers are that desperate to work such unsociable hours.
mmclean77 don't know you or your circumstances regarding work but YES I do have sympathy for the driver, I am surprised how many people want to drive taxis given the low wages / profits and quite high risks involved.
To support mysay.com. EVERY trader or businessperson including Taxi drivers and take-away workers should be safe and able to do their job without fear. Another story on the LT refers to Blackburn taxi drivers having a hard time so YES I guess taxi drivers are that desperate to work such unsociable hours. mmclean77 don't know you or your circumstances regarding work but YES I do have sympathy for the driver, I am surprised how many people want to drive taxis given the low wages / profits and quite high risks involved. Doug Spencer
  • Score: 8

9:29am Tue 11 Feb 14

GAC says...

i think the confusion of the trip came with yet again poor reporting,

"The three offenders had flagged down the silver Vauxhall Vectra outside the bus station in Bacup Road, Bacup, and asked the driver, 34, to take them to the town centre."

to me that says it was a short trip in bacup. which should be on the cctv the council pays money to burnley council for (im not making that up, you can check in the yearly financials for the council.)

now the question for me is was the taxi a hackeny licensed car or just a mini cab, if the latter he broke the law picking up fairs. without them making an appointment.

something that does amaze me in the uk is why taxis arnt setup like many around the world. with remote lockable doors and multiple camera's with microphones. sure it may cost a couple of thousand but im sure it would effect insurance premiums and also stop or at least cut down on such incidents when people know they are being recorded.
i think the confusion of the trip came with yet again poor reporting, "The three offenders had flagged down the silver Vauxhall Vectra outside the bus station in Bacup Road, Bacup, and asked the driver, 34, to take them to the town centre." to me that says it was a short trip in bacup. which should be on the cctv the council pays money to burnley council for (im not making that up, you can check in the yearly financials for the council.) now the question for me is was the taxi a hackeny licensed car or just a mini cab, if the latter he broke the law picking up fairs. without them making an appointment. something that does amaze me in the uk is why taxis arnt setup like many around the world. with remote lockable doors and multiple camera's with microphones. sure it may cost a couple of thousand but im sure it would effect insurance premiums and also stop or at least cut down on such incidents when people know they are being recorded. GAC
  • Score: 4

11:14am Tue 11 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

your quite right, a serious case of bad reporting, there is no such place as "bacup road in Bacup", so it was in rawtenstall, as for CCTV, non of them are working and never have, the police fleeced the funding for it but it was not operational, and now the councils are fleecing this funding for the operation of the same "pointing in the wrong direction" cameras, which are not manned at all, they are an automated system which requires a download after the event, if anything was caught.

the taxi would have been hackney, as we don't have any operational private hire vehicles or driver here (only 5 in total and all of those on airport or NHS contracts.)

As for the last paragraph.....we are not allowed to use remote locking doors as that would be classed as false imprisonment (allegations have been upheld in the past,) the use of cameras would not affect the insurance in any way and would cost (at last quote) £2950 per vehicle) which would only be accessible by the council or the police, so the company or driver would not be able to access and view it to verify that the required evidence is recorded before making any reports. they would not be subsidised by those able to view it, and we would not be allowed to use microphones to record conversations, this would be a breach of confidence and against data protection laws.

even if we had them, when people are drunk, they don't think about it being recorded, they don't think at all as is evident by this incident.

Personally I am all for the CCTV idea, but in this day and age, we simply cant afford it, there isn't the income to justify the expense.

Maybe now you can see why I get annoyed when people say we have an easy life, or that they have no sympathy for the drivers, the abuse we get isn't just from the drunks late at night, it is from the authorities too with the amount of threats to livelihood simply because the councils are not doing their jobs right.

As for the difference between the two different types of taxi....completely agree and applaud you for knowing the difference between them, you would be amazed how many people have no idea.....including many rochdale drivers from Jo baxis, Globe and Tiger for example who are in private hire vehicles but openly picking up flag jobs without pre bookings, why do they get away with it? simply because people don't know any different, they don't know how dangerous it is and the councils do nothing about it.
your quite right, a serious case of bad reporting, there is no such place as "bacup road in Bacup", so it was in rawtenstall, as for CCTV, non of them are working and never have, the police fleeced the funding for it but it was not operational, and now the councils are fleecing this funding for the operation of the same "pointing in the wrong direction" cameras, which are not manned at all, they are an automated system which requires a download after the event, if anything was caught. the taxi would have been hackney, as we don't have any operational private hire vehicles or driver here (only 5 in total and all of those on airport or NHS contracts.) As for the last paragraph.....we are not allowed to use remote locking doors as that would be classed as false imprisonment (allegations have been upheld in the past,) the use of cameras would not affect the insurance in any way and would cost (at last quote) £2950 per vehicle) which would only be accessible by the council or the police, so the company or driver would not be able to access and view it to verify that the required evidence is recorded before making any reports. they would not be subsidised by those able to view it, and we would not be allowed to use microphones to record conversations, this would be a breach of confidence and against data protection laws. even if we had them, when people are drunk, they don't think about it being recorded, they don't think at all as is evident by this incident. Personally I am all for the CCTV idea, but in this day and age, we simply cant afford it, there isn't the income to justify the expense. Maybe now you can see why I get annoyed when people say we have an easy life, or that they have no sympathy for the drivers, the abuse we get isn't just from the drunks late at night, it is from the authorities too with the amount of threats to livelihood simply because the councils are not doing their jobs right. As for the difference between the two different types of taxi....completely agree and applaud you for knowing the difference between them, you would be amazed how many people have no idea.....including many rochdale drivers from Jo baxis, Globe and Tiger for example who are in private hire vehicles but openly picking up flag jobs without pre bookings, why do they get away with it? simply because people don't know any different, they don't know how dangerous it is and the councils do nothing about it. mysay.com
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

Some excellent comments from Mysay.com, GAC and Doug Spencer. It would be interesting to hear comments from councillors on the licensing committee who always seem to crack down unfairly on drivers.
As a frequent late night user of taxis I have to applaud them for doing a difficult job with good humour and at a decent price. This is yet another bad news story about Bacup. I wonder if Catherine Chadwick will be happy if there is more bad behaviour when she re-opens the Con Club. John Pearson tried to make a go of it but Bacup is Bacup!
Some excellent comments from Mysay.com, GAC and Doug Spencer. It would be interesting to hear comments from councillors on the licensing committee who always seem to crack down unfairly on drivers. As a frequent late night user of taxis I have to applaud them for doing a difficult job with good humour and at a decent price. This is yet another bad news story about Bacup. I wonder if Catherine Chadwick will be happy if there is more bad behaviour when she re-opens the Con Club. John Pearson tried to make a go of it but Bacup is Bacup! Loving lances
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

thanks for your comments loving lances, a little appreciation goes a long way.

It would indeed be nice to see some support for the trade from the licensing committee, we pay them enough, and jump through enough hoops to get and retain our licenses, to receive this kind of abuse and lack of support on a daily basis.

But when we see comments and appreciation of this level, it makes it all seem worth it again, so on behalf of the trade, thank you.
thanks for your comments loving lances, a little appreciation goes a long way. It would indeed be nice to see some support for the trade from the licensing committee, we pay them enough, and jump through enough hoops to get and retain our licenses, to receive this kind of abuse and lack of support on a daily basis. But when we see comments and appreciation of this level, it makes it all seem worth it again, so on behalf of the trade, thank you. mysay.com
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Tue 11 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

In fairness, the report does say that this fare was picked up in Bacup and dropped in Bacup.

In terms of the comments about safety - yes, taxi drivers should be safe, but again, they can improve their own personal safety whether this is by fitting security measures to their cabs or trying to assess their potential passengers - if you do want further safety advice, I'll be happy to provide you with some which was issued to taxi drivers by Bury council.

Anyway, seeing as certain posters are very pro-taxi driver, I'll have you know that I don't utilise taxis as I now always make alternative arrangements - one of the main reasons being cost.......£15.00 for a 3.5 mile journey? Also, the last time I did get a taxi, the speedo wasn't working, and despite charging me "up front" the driver also tried to take advantage of my drunken state by charging me at the other end, before becoming very aggressive towards me..........ah, not all angels now are we!

Then, what about the other taxi driver that I once paid the fare up front and asked to be dropped off about 300m from home. He asked me where I live, so I told him that it was just around the corner, to which he said he'd drop me off - I didn't request this, he suggested it. When I got out of the taxi, he tried to charge me another £3.00 - he was promptly, and politely told where to go, so he said he was phoning the police, so I pointed out my house..........and to this day, I'm still waiting for them to call!
In fairness, the report does say that this fare was picked up in Bacup and dropped in Bacup. In terms of the comments about safety - yes, taxi drivers should be safe, but again, they can improve their own personal safety whether this is by fitting security measures to their cabs or trying to assess their potential passengers - if you do want further safety advice, I'll be happy to provide you with some which was issued to taxi drivers by Bury council. Anyway, seeing as certain posters are very pro-taxi driver, I'll have you know that I don't utilise taxis as I now always make alternative arrangements - one of the main reasons being cost.......£15.00 for a 3.5 mile journey? Also, the last time I did get a taxi, the speedo wasn't working, and despite charging me "up front" the driver also tried to take advantage of my drunken state by charging me at the other end, before becoming very aggressive towards me..........ah, not all angels now are we! Then, what about the other taxi driver that I once paid the fare up front and asked to be dropped off about 300m from home. He asked me where I live, so I told him that it was just around the corner, to which he said he'd drop me off - I didn't request this, he suggested it. When I got out of the taxi, he tried to charge me another £3.00 - he was promptly, and politely told where to go, so he said he was phoning the police, so I pointed out my house..........and to this day, I'm still waiting for them to call! nmclean77
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5:37pm Tue 11 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

I have to note that certain Rochdale taxi companies get a mention on this thread..........i wouldn't trust any of them given their mentions in a book titled "Girl A".

In fairness, there are some good, honest, decent, civilised and courteous taxi drivers out there,nut there are some whose driving standard despite being professional drivers, falls way below that of a safe and competent driver.
I have to note that certain Rochdale taxi companies get a mention on this thread..........i wouldn't trust any of them given their mentions in a book titled "Girl A". In fairness, there are some good, honest, decent, civilised and courteous taxi drivers out there,nut there are some whose driving standard despite being professional drivers, falls way below that of a safe and competent driver. nmclean77
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Tue 11 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

I see that the LET have tried to correct this story by publishing again, but this time giving the correct pick up location. However, the title/headline suggests the attack happened in Rawtenstall, but wasn't it Bacup?

Come on, let's get it right!
I see that the LET have tried to correct this story by publishing again, but this time giving the correct pick up location. However, the title/headline suggests the attack happened in Rawtenstall, but wasn't it Bacup? Come on, let's get it right! nmclean77
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

nmclean, thanks for your comments, I am not implying that all taxi drivers are perfect, far from it, I myself have had cause to report drivers for exactly the comments you have observed which is why the recommendation is that where ever possible you stick to a regular company.

I also agree that the standard of "some" drivers leaves a lot to be desired.

for those who have suffered from this type of behaviour, whilst I can guarantee, It was not by myself, I can only apologise for their behaviour, the last thing I would do is defend it.

the biggest downside to this kind of behaviour, is that unfortunately, the whole trade tends to be tarred with the same brush which is highly unfair given the fact that most work long hours for little money and little thanks, but keep on doing it since we know how valuable the service is to those who need it most, the vulnerable, the elderly and the housebound.

we just have to put up with the rest in order to try to make a wage
nmclean, thanks for your comments, I am not implying that all taxi drivers are perfect, far from it, I myself have had cause to report drivers for exactly the comments you have observed which is why the recommendation is that where ever possible you stick to a regular company. I also agree that the standard of "some" drivers leaves a lot to be desired. for those who have suffered from this type of behaviour, whilst I can guarantee, It was not by myself, I can only apologise for their behaviour, the last thing I would do is defend it. the biggest downside to this kind of behaviour, is that unfortunately, the whole trade tends to be tarred with the same brush which is highly unfair given the fact that most work long hours for little money and little thanks, but keep on doing it since we know how valuable the service is to those who need it most, the vulnerable, the elderly and the housebound. we just have to put up with the rest in order to try to make a wage mysay.com
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Tue 11 Feb 14

nmclean77 says...

Hey my say.com, there's good and bad in every trade, and as you quite rightly say, it's the few bad eggs that get everyone else a bad name!
Hey my say.com, there's good and bad in every trade, and as you quite rightly say, it's the few bad eggs that get everyone else a bad name! nmclean77
  • Score: 1

10:18am Thu 27 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

update update update...

following this incident and report, I have now personally got CCTV in my taxi, having been given the source of a supplier from one of the commentees on this post, (thanks bud) and they have been ordered by others within the area, hopefully we can rollthis out right across the trade, but as you would guess, as soon as I ordered a few of them...the price more than doubled......lets hope we can get them in before the prices hit the roof again!!

if we can get word out there that many (or even some) taxis have CCTV installed, it may act as a deterrant.
update update update... following this incident and report, I have now personally got CCTV in my taxi, having been given the source of a supplier from one of the commentees on this post, (thanks bud) and they have been ordered by others within the area, hopefully we can rollthis out right across the trade, but as you would guess, as soon as I ordered a few of them...the price more than doubled......lets hope we can get them in before the prices hit the roof again!! if we can get word out there that many (or even some) taxis have CCTV installed, it may act as a deterrant. mysay.com
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