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East Lancashire speeders to pay more for classroom courses

Lancashire Telegraph: East Lancashire speeders to pay more for classroom courses East Lancashire speeders to pay more for classroom courses

DRIVERS offered classroom or practical courses instead of penalty points for breaking the law will have to pay more from next month.

The cost of courses, offered in lieu of penalty points and a fine for minor offences, is to go up from £70 to £95 from March 1. It means offending motorists will completely fund the Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety’s speed enforcement activity, rather than taxpayers.

The courses offered will still be cheaper than the £100 fixed penalty fine.

There are four courses drivers can go on, depending on the offence committed.

A speed awareness course is offered to motorists driving over the speed limit within a certain threshold and is a four-hour interactive classroom-based course.

Driving 4 Change is for those committing minor offences, such as contravening a no-entry or stop sign, and is a two-and-a-quarter hour road session.

For drivers deemed to need a better attitude on the road, the What’s Driving Us course is a three-hour fifteen-minute classroom course, while RIDE is offered to motorcyclists riding in a careless or inconsiderate manner and is a seven-hour classroom session.

Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Richard Debicki, chair of the Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety executive board, said: “We carefully considered this decision to increase course costs and feel it is right to reduce costs to local tax payers and ensure local budgets are used for other local services. I must stress that only motorists who have committed an offence, either through speeding or unsafe driving of their vehicle will pay.”

Lancashire Police and Crime Commissioner Clive Grunshaw said: “The decision to increase the cost of these courses was not taken lightly, but it seems only right that those drivers who put others in danger by speeding should be the ones to fund enforcement, as oppose to local taxpayers.”

Last year, 32,718 motorists attended a driver education course in Lan- cashire as an alternative to prosecution.

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2:44pm Thu 6 Feb 14

AnthonyUK says...

Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.
Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN. AnthonyUK
  • Score: -4

2:59pm Thu 6 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

These courses don't work - simple as. A friend of mine elected to go on one when he was offered the chance, then promptly got a speeding ticket on the way home.
These courses don't work - simple as. A friend of mine elected to go on one when he was offered the chance, then promptly got a speeding ticket on the way home. rudis_dad
  • Score: -3

3:09pm Thu 6 Feb 14

shytalk says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.
I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.[/p][/quote]I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help. shytalk
  • Score: -1

3:24pm Thu 6 Feb 14

burner says...

32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!!
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IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ?
32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!! . IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ? burner
  • Score: 22

3:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

AnthonyUK says...

shytalk wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote:
Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.
I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.
And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.[/p][/quote]I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.[/p][/quote]And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

alf-abett says...

burner wrote:
32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!!
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IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ?
Well that's taken care of the Police Commissaries salary, staff pay and expenses for the next 12 month, or am I being cynical!
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: 32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!! . IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ?[/p][/quote]Well that's taken care of the Police Commissaries salary, staff pay and expenses for the next 12 month, or am I being cynical! alf-abett
  • Score: 9

4:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

shytalk says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
shytalk wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote:
Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.
I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.
And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel.
Then it's the nick or serious community service.
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.[/p][/quote]I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.[/p][/quote]And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel.[/p][/quote]Then it's the nick or serious community service. shytalk
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

Anything that attempts to re-educate errant motorists is to be applauded, and, obviously, these courses should be self funding and not an extra burden on the taxpayer. But the police have to catch these errant motorists first and my concern is that the cuts to the police budgets mean fewer traffic police on the roads.
If the cost of the courses were doubled the extra revenue could pay for more traffic officers and would be a greater detterent.
Anything that attempts to re-educate errant motorists is to be applauded, and, obviously, these courses should be self funding and not an extra burden on the taxpayer. But the police have to catch these errant motorists first and my concern is that the cuts to the police budgets mean fewer traffic police on the roads. If the cost of the courses were doubled the extra revenue could pay for more traffic officers and would be a greater detterent. HarryBosch
  • Score: -2

4:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

shytalk says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
shytalk wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote:
Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.
I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.
And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel.
Then it's the nick or serious community service.
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: Problem is;even if you hit em in the pocket some will STILL speed thru residential areas and drive like idiots on the major roads! They feel it is their right to speed and behave moronically while driving. Better to blacklist them to all insurance companies and make it harder for them get insured EVER AGAIN.[/p][/quote]I would completely agree with you AnthonyUK but the only problem is that they are likely to then drive without insurance. Perhaps an instant 3 month ban might help.[/p][/quote]And what if they still behave moronically and speed on the roads;what's the answer then? Keep slapping on the bans in the hope they learn? No how you try there will ALWAYS be speeders showoffs and dangerous drivers unless there is some sort of deterrent that more than hits the peoples' pockets and affects their chances of getting behind the wheel.[/p][/quote]Then it's the nick or serious community service. shytalk
  • Score: 1

5:06pm Thu 6 Feb 14

TONY WALES says...

The problem with going on the course is that the insurance company still find out you have been on the course.
You therefore need to tell them, you have been on a speeding course.

Later this year all insurance details and driving liecence details are to be held on a electronic database, which all the insurance companies, and the police will have access to.
So when you re-tax your car, or re-new your licence, they will know all about you, and you will not have to produce a insurance certificate.
This may catch a few people out in this area.
The problem with going on the course is that the insurance company still find out you have been on the course. You therefore need to tell them, you have been on a speeding course. Later this year all insurance details and driving liecence details are to be held on a electronic database, which all the insurance companies, and the police will have access to. So when you re-tax your car, or re-new your licence, they will know all about you, and you will not have to produce a insurance certificate. This may catch a few people out in this area. TONY WALES
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Thu 6 Feb 14

burner says...

It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.
It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask. burner
  • Score: 2

6:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

A Darener says...

You are obliged to tell your insurance company of any road traffic offences you have been found guilty of.
You are obliged to tell your insurance company of any road traffic offences you have been found guilty of. A Darener
  • Score: -1

6:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

A Darener says...

Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.
Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974. A Darener
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Jerzei Balowski says...

A Darener wrote:
Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.
If you attend a speed awareness course you don't receive a conviction. However, from a quick Google it does seem some insurers (Admiral?) are specifically asking if you have been on a speed awareness course, and upping premiums accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.[/p][/quote]If you attend a speed awareness course you don't receive a conviction. However, from a quick Google it does seem some insurers (Admiral?) are specifically asking if you have been on a speed awareness course, and upping premiums accordingly. Jerzei Balowski
  • Score: 3

6:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

A Darener says...

Jerzei Balowski wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.
If you attend a speed awareness course you don't receive a conviction. However, from a quick Google it does seem some insurers (Admiral?) are specifically asking if you have been on a speed awareness course, and upping premiums accordingly.
What you say is true...but! It is always wise to tell an insurance company of any information relevant to your policy. We all know that an insurance company will do anything to increase a premium or at worst fail to pay a claim because of undisclosed information. Alway err on the side of caution, it will pay in the long run. No pun intended.
[quote][p][bold]Jerzei Balowski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Most insurance companies will ask you about any driving convictions you have received in the past five years. It is really important that you disclose any convictions to them - in fact you have to by law, under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.[/p][/quote]If you attend a speed awareness course you don't receive a conviction. However, from a quick Google it does seem some insurers (Admiral?) are specifically asking if you have been on a speed awareness course, and upping premiums accordingly.[/p][/quote]What you say is true...but! It is always wise to tell an insurance company of any information relevant to your policy. We all know that an insurance company will do anything to increase a premium or at worst fail to pay a claim because of undisclosed information. Alway err on the side of caution, it will pay in the long run. No pun intended. A Darener
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Thu 6 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

I have just "Googled" the question re disclosure of attendance on a speed awareness course. South Yorkshire Police state 'if your insurance company/prospective insurance company ask you then you must answer as honestly and accurately as you can.
In other words they must be declared if asked.
I have just "Googled" the question re disclosure of attendance on a speed awareness course. South Yorkshire Police state 'if your insurance company/prospective insurance company ask you then you must answer as honestly and accurately as you can. In other words they must be declared if asked. HarryBosch
  • Score: 1

6:50pm Thu 6 Feb 14

burner says...

A Darener wrote:
You are obliged to tell your insurance company of any road traffic offences you have been found guilty of.
You have not been prosecuted if you attend these courses, therefore no offence is recorded. You have not been found guilty. . . . . I promise you, you are NOT obliged to tell insurance companies. The laws relating to their operations clearly state they are not even allowed to ASK. If they do, find another firm. Many follow their own regulatory body.
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and, Harry, you are right . . . you are obliged to answer honestly. BUT they have no right to ask. Like I say, don't answer. Find another company.
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Admiral are currently under investigation regarding their asking this specific question.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: You are obliged to tell your insurance company of any road traffic offences you have been found guilty of.[/p][/quote]You have not been prosecuted if you attend these courses, therefore no offence is recorded. You have not been found guilty. . . . . I promise you, you are NOT obliged to tell insurance companies. The laws relating to their operations clearly state they are not even allowed to ASK. If they do, find another firm. Many follow their own regulatory body. . and, Harry, you are right . . . you are obliged to answer honestly. BUT they have no right to ask. Like I say, don't answer. Find another company. . Admiral are currently under investigation regarding their asking this specific question. burner
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

A Darener says...

Burner....you may well be right, but I hope you never have to claim on any insurance. The company's will do anything not to have to pay out. I know from experience. Always read the small print. They can put anything they like in small print especially on declarations required.
Burner....you may well be right, but I hope you never have to claim on any insurance. The company's will do anything not to have to pay out. I know from experience. Always read the small print. They can put anything they like in small print especially on declarations required. A Darener
  • Score: 0

8:03pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ted1951 says...

burner wrote:
It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.
I renewed my insurance last month with my son as a named driver, when I told them my son did a speed awareness course last year they told me they were not interested, only if he have any points on his licence. That was with LV
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.[/p][/quote]I renewed my insurance last month with my son as a named driver, when I told them my son did a speed awareness course last year they told me they were not interested, only if he have any points on his licence. That was with LV ted1951
  • Score: 4

8:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

They aren't allowed to ask... you have to tell the truth... **** -just drive responsibly in the first place you arses.
They aren't allowed to ask... you have to tell the truth... **** -just drive responsibly in the first place you arses. happycyclist
  • Score: -3

8:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Excluded again says...

burner wrote:
32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!!
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IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ?
Well let's totally undermine their efforts. If everyone stopped speeding, then they wouldn't make any money at all.
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: 32,718 motorists times £70 each is over TWO AND A QUARTER MILLION POUNDS . . . . . . . . now try telling me it's not ALL about the money !!!!! . IF the courses worked, they could be offered at cost. BUT that is not the objective, is it ?[/p][/quote]Well let's totally undermine their efforts. If everyone stopped speeding, then they wouldn't make any money at all. Excluded again
  • Score: 2

8:00am Fri 7 Feb 14

A Darener says...

All you holier than tho motorists on here that "never" speed, I'm sorry, but you are liars! ALL motorists go over the speed limit at some time during any journey they make. It is impossible not to. Unless you have your eyes on the speedo all of the time, ( an impossible task). It can mean that you pass a camera, mobile speed trap etc. Just as your speed goes over the limit. So just remember it could happen to you. You have just been lucky. I have 43 years of driving sensibly and within the law wherever possible but unfortunately a single lapse at an inappropriate time meant I passed a camera at just over the limit. There were extenuating circumstances, but cameras don't take that into account. I couldn't take a course as I have to look after my disabled daughter and they would not allow me to take her on the course with me, no times were available to me to go on my own. So I had to take the points and tell my insurance company. That is discrimination against the disabled and their carers.
All you holier than tho motorists on here that "never" speed, I'm sorry, but you are liars! ALL motorists go over the speed limit at some time during any journey they make. It is impossible not to. Unless you have your eyes on the speedo all of the time, ( an impossible task). It can mean that you pass a camera, mobile speed trap etc. Just as your speed goes over the limit. So just remember it could happen to you. You have just been lucky. I have 43 years of driving sensibly and within the law wherever possible but unfortunately a single lapse at an inappropriate time meant I passed a camera at just over the limit. There were extenuating circumstances, but cameras don't take that into account. I couldn't take a course as I have to look after my disabled daughter and they would not allow me to take her on the course with me, no times were available to me to go on my own. So I had to take the points and tell my insurance company. That is discrimination against the disabled and their carers. A Darener
  • Score: 0

8:55am Fri 7 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

burner wrote:
It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.
Absolute cobblers - it is a legal requirement to disclose any convictions for motoring offences to your insurance, and that includes being sent on a course. Failure to do so invalidates your insurance.
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.[/p][/quote]Absolute cobblers - it is a legal requirement to disclose any convictions for motoring offences to your insurance, and that includes being sent on a course. Failure to do so invalidates your insurance. rudis_dad
  • Score: -2

9:01am Fri 7 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

A Darener wrote:
All you holier than tho motorists on here that "never" speed, I'm sorry, but you are liars! ALL motorists go over the speed limit at some time during any journey they make. It is impossible not to. Unless you have your eyes on the speedo all of the time, ( an impossible task). It can mean that you pass a camera, mobile speed trap etc. Just as your speed goes over the limit. So just remember it could happen to you. You have just been lucky. I have 43 years of driving sensibly and within the law wherever possible but unfortunately a single lapse at an inappropriate time meant I passed a camera at just over the limit. There were extenuating circumstances, but cameras don't take that into account. I couldn't take a course as I have to look after my disabled daughter and they would not allow me to take her on the course with me, no times were available to me to go on my own. So I had to take the points and tell my insurance company. That is discrimination against the disabled and their carers.
Firstly, it IS possible to drive within the law at all times. It takes an immense amount of concentration, dedication and training/experience, but it is possible. Secondly, it is possible to judge your speed accurately WITHOUT having to refer to your speedometer constantly - again, experience, skill and judgement play a large part in this - I can drive at a constant 30mph without having to stare fixedly at the speedometer. A lot of it is about "feel" and knowing how to control your vehicle using the throttle (did you know that you can actually slow down using the accelerator/throttle
?). And even if you can't do that, anyone who can't spot a bright yellow box on a pole or a van dressed up in hi-viz colours at the side of the road from a good couple of hundred yards away shouldn't be on the roads.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: All you holier than tho motorists on here that "never" speed, I'm sorry, but you are liars! ALL motorists go over the speed limit at some time during any journey they make. It is impossible not to. Unless you have your eyes on the speedo all of the time, ( an impossible task). It can mean that you pass a camera, mobile speed trap etc. Just as your speed goes over the limit. So just remember it could happen to you. You have just been lucky. I have 43 years of driving sensibly and within the law wherever possible but unfortunately a single lapse at an inappropriate time meant I passed a camera at just over the limit. There were extenuating circumstances, but cameras don't take that into account. I couldn't take a course as I have to look after my disabled daughter and they would not allow me to take her on the course with me, no times were available to me to go on my own. So I had to take the points and tell my insurance company. That is discrimination against the disabled and their carers.[/p][/quote]Firstly, it IS possible to drive within the law at all times. It takes an immense amount of concentration, dedication and training/experience, but it is possible. Secondly, it is possible to judge your speed accurately WITHOUT having to refer to your speedometer constantly - again, experience, skill and judgement play a large part in this - I can drive at a constant 30mph without having to stare fixedly at the speedometer. A lot of it is about "feel" and knowing how to control your vehicle using the throttle (did you know that you can actually slow down using the accelerator/throttle ?). And even if you can't do that, anyone who can't spot a bright yellow box on a pole or a van dressed up in hi-viz colours at the side of the road from a good couple of hundred yards away shouldn't be on the roads. rudis_dad
  • Score: 1

10:02am Fri 7 Feb 14

A Darener says...

Saint Rudis_dad, what a load of cobblers!_
Saint Rudis_dad, what a load of cobblers!_ A Darener
  • Score: 2

5:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

burner says...

rudis_dad wrote:
burner wrote:
It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.
Absolute cobblers - it is a legal requirement to disclose any convictions for motoring offences to your insurance, and that includes being sent on a course. Failure to do so invalidates your insurance.
WRONG !!!
.
Conviction - yes, you MUST disclose.

Course - DON'T ANSWER
[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: It is against the law for any insurance company to even ASK you if you have ever attended these courses. You are NOT obliged to tell them and they MUST not ask.[/p][/quote]Absolute cobblers - it is a legal requirement to disclose any convictions for motoring offences to your insurance, and that includes being sent on a course. Failure to do so invalidates your insurance.[/p][/quote]WRONG !!! . Conviction - yes, you MUST disclose. Course - DON'T ANSWER burner
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Copperhead says...

Why do the powers-that-be HATE cars so much ?
Why the constant war against us ?
They have destroyed our once-great and extensive public transport networks so that the overwhelming majority of people are totally dependent on a motor car.
And then they declare war on the car and all who use it.
To paraphrase Churchill - " never in the history of transport have so many been made to pay so much by so few ".
Why do the powers-that-be HATE cars so much ? Why the constant war against us ? They have destroyed our once-great and extensive public transport networks so that the overwhelming majority of people are totally dependent on a motor car. And then they declare war on the car and all who use it. To paraphrase Churchill - " never in the history of transport have so many been made to pay so much by so few ". Copperhead
  • Score: -1

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