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Residents: Ribble Valley council left us to fight homes bid

Lancashire Telegraph: Residents: Ribble Valley council left us to fight homes bid Residents: Ribble Valley council left us to fight homes bid

RESIDENTS have accused a council of leaving them to fight a ‘David versus Goliath’ battle to stop a 345-home estate alone.

Back Commons Action Group in Clitheroe last week prevented the scheme at Waddow View going ahead.

This was despite Ribble Valley Council declining to defend its own refusal of planning permission for the development.

Its leader Stuart Hirst responded by accusing highways authority Lancashire County Council of giving ‘flawed advice’ .

A government inspector dismissed Waddow View plan after a consortium of landowners appealed Ribble Valley’s decision to refuse it last year. The borough council withdrew from fighting the appeal, leading to the formation of the Back Commons Action Group.

Its spokeswoman Liz Parkinson said: “We were delighted planning permission for the Waddow View development has been refused on appeal.

“The group was pleased when Ribble Valley council refused permission.

“Never in a million years did we envisage the council would not defend their decision. That is exactly what they did three weeks before the appeal hearings were due.

“We decided to fight.This was a David versus Goliath situation. The borough and county councils let local residents down.”

Coun Hirst said: "The Planning Inspectorate dismissed the Waddow View appeal due to highways problems.

“This is a challenge to advice given by the Lancashire Highways Authority that such problems would be minimal.

“The fact it withdrew its objections at the last minute left our planning committee in the difficult position of being unable to include traffic congestion in its reasons.

“The refusal was on far less robust grounds and it is unsurprising subsequent legal advice suggested that defending the appeal might prove costly and unsuccessful.

“I’ve asked the chairman of planning Terry Hill to investigate how such a flawed piece of advice was given to this council by the Highways Authority.”

The applicants, including The Huntroyde Estate and Clitheroe Auction Mart Co Ltd, have six weeks to appeal to the High Court.

Lancashire County Council declined to comment.

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4:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

charmed-one says...

Both RVBC and Lancashire Highways Authority are at fault here:

RVBC should have demanded answers as to why the LHA initially chose to object on traffic grounds, but then retracted at the 11th hour. As this was the major issue for residents and Clitheroe Town Council, and indeed the main reason for the Inspector's decision to refuse the appeal, did RVBC not feel they needed to know what had changed in the interim, to warrant such an about-turn by LHA?

LHA are at fault, for as far back as 2008, they stated they could not support further development in this area until the access at Castle View was improved. It has not been improved, in fact, we have more dwellings and traffic than ever using this single access. So it beggars belief that on this occasion, they go against their own prior judgement and allow a huge development to go forward with no formal objection.
Both RVBC and Lancashire Highways Authority are at fault here: RVBC should have demanded answers as to why the LHA initially chose to object on traffic grounds, but then retracted at the 11th hour. As this was the major issue for residents and Clitheroe Town Council, and indeed the main reason for the Inspector's decision to refuse the appeal, did RVBC not feel they needed to know what had changed in the interim, to warrant such an about-turn by LHA? LHA are at fault, for as far back as 2008, they stated they could not support further development in this area until the access at Castle View was improved. It has not been improved, in fact, we have more dwellings and traffic than ever using this single access. So it beggars belief that on this occasion, they go against their own prior judgement and allow a huge development to go forward with no formal objection. charmed-one
  • Score: 14

4:43pm Tue 28 Jan 14

charmed-one says...

And why has it only just occurred to Coun Hirst to "...investigate how such a flawed piece of advice was given to this council by the Highways Authority."???

They should have been aware of these traffic issues at the very start of the planning process and begun their investigation then. After all, they represent the Ribble Valley and the wards of Clitheroe so they should know the traffic situation around each proposed development.
And why has it only just occurred to Coun Hirst to "...investigate how such a flawed piece of advice was given to this council by the Highways Authority."??? They should have been aware of these traffic issues at the very start of the planning process and begun their investigation then. After all, they represent the Ribble Valley and the wards of Clitheroe so they should know the traffic situation around each proposed development. charmed-one
  • Score: 12

7:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Malthus says...

Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice.
Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice. Malthus
  • Score: -7

8:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

charmed-one says...

Malthus wrote:
Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice.
Those in power, particularly those on the planning committee, are from the surrounding villages and will vote for almost every development in Clitheroe if it means their village is safe! So it doesn't really matter who the people of Clitheroe vote for. Clitheroe councillors will always be outvoted.
[quote][p][bold]Malthus[/bold] wrote: Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice.[/p][/quote]Those in power, particularly those on the planning committee, are from the surrounding villages and will vote for almost every development in Clitheroe if it means their village is safe! So it doesn't really matter who the people of Clitheroe vote for. Clitheroe councillors will always be outvoted. charmed-one
  • Score: 9

8:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Legal Beagle says...

The decision makers at LCC must have known the effect that withdrawing their objections would have on RVBC's position, and how advantageous it would be to the developers.

It would be interesting to know which individual(s) at the highway authority made the decision - and what persuaded them to do so ...
The decision makers at LCC must have known the effect that withdrawing their objections would have on RVBC's position, and how advantageous it would be to the developers. It would be interesting to know which individual(s) at the highway authority made the decision - and what persuaded them to do so ... Legal Beagle
  • Score: 9

11:43am Wed 29 Jan 14

Birtrumthegreat says...

LHA are useless, they cannot see a problem with houses to be built in Barrow, which currently has applications for more than 870 dwellings in the pipeline. They believe that a relief road, at the proposed Lawsonstead site, will take commuter traffic away for Whalley village centre. They haven't taken into account that the main employment areas, are located at Whitebirk in Blackburn and that most people moving to the Ribble Valley, are part of the ' white flight' generation, hence they will use Painter Wood for their daily commute. Nor have they even considered that the local education establishments are located in Whalley, Billington and Langho and that most primary school children are driven to school, by parents owning two or more vehicles. What is shocking is that they cannot guarantee that the Lawsonstead site will be built first and that the developer does not have to install the road, until the 85th house is sold and occupied. Therefore if the housing market is slow, due to the 5,000 houses being built around other areas in the Ribble Valley, it is probably cost effective for them to stop at 84 dwelling and save themselves a fortune.

Therefore if on your travels, you come across someone at the side of the road, wearing a high viz jacket and pointing at passing cars with a bemused look on their face, it's probably a senior manager at LHA, doing a traffic survey. Or to give them their correct title 'a clueless buffoon'.
LHA are useless, they cannot see a problem with houses to be built in Barrow, which currently has applications for more than 870 dwellings in the pipeline. They believe that a relief road, at the proposed Lawsonstead site, will take commuter traffic away for Whalley village centre. They haven't taken into account that the main employment areas, are located at Whitebirk in Blackburn and that most people moving to the Ribble Valley, are part of the ' white flight' generation, hence they will use Painter Wood for their daily commute. Nor have they even considered that the local education establishments are located in Whalley, Billington and Langho and that most primary school children are driven to school, by parents owning two or more vehicles. What is shocking is that they cannot guarantee that the Lawsonstead site will be built first and that the developer does not have to install the road, until the 85th house is sold and occupied. Therefore if the housing market is slow, due to the 5,000 houses being built around other areas in the Ribble Valley, it is probably cost effective for them to stop at 84 dwelling and save themselves a fortune. Therefore if on your travels, you come across someone at the side of the road, wearing a high viz jacket and pointing at passing cars with a bemused look on their face, it's probably a senior manager at LHA, doing a traffic survey. Or to give them their correct title 'a clueless buffoon'. Birtrumthegreat
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Wed 29 Jan 14

shytalk says...

Birtrumthegreat wrote:
LHA are useless, they cannot see a problem with houses to be built in Barrow, which currently has applications for more than 870 dwellings in the pipeline. They believe that a relief road, at the proposed Lawsonstead site, will take commuter traffic away for Whalley village centre. They haven't taken into account that the main employment areas, are located at Whitebirk in Blackburn and that most people moving to the Ribble Valley, are part of the ' white flight' generation, hence they will use Painter Wood for their daily commute. Nor have they even considered that the local education establishments are located in Whalley, Billington and Langho and that most primary school children are driven to school, by parents owning two or more vehicles. What is shocking is that they cannot guarantee that the Lawsonstead site will be built first and that the developer does not have to install the road, until the 85th house is sold and occupied. Therefore if the housing market is slow, due to the 5,000 houses being built around other areas in the Ribble Valley, it is probably cost effective for them to stop at 84 dwelling and save themselves a fortune.

Therefore if on your travels, you come across someone at the side of the road, wearing a high viz jacket and pointing at passing cars with a bemused look on their face, it's probably a senior manager at LHA, doing a traffic survey. Or to give them their correct title 'a clueless buffoon'.
Well put.
This is a sad situation and local people are being over ruled by Councillors who do not live in the area. Ie local democracy no longer exists when you have career politicians and a corrupt government.
[quote][p][bold]Birtrumthegreat[/bold] wrote: LHA are useless, they cannot see a problem with houses to be built in Barrow, which currently has applications for more than 870 dwellings in the pipeline. They believe that a relief road, at the proposed Lawsonstead site, will take commuter traffic away for Whalley village centre. They haven't taken into account that the main employment areas, are located at Whitebirk in Blackburn and that most people moving to the Ribble Valley, are part of the ' white flight' generation, hence they will use Painter Wood for their daily commute. Nor have they even considered that the local education establishments are located in Whalley, Billington and Langho and that most primary school children are driven to school, by parents owning two or more vehicles. What is shocking is that they cannot guarantee that the Lawsonstead site will be built first and that the developer does not have to install the road, until the 85th house is sold and occupied. Therefore if the housing market is slow, due to the 5,000 houses being built around other areas in the Ribble Valley, it is probably cost effective for them to stop at 84 dwelling and save themselves a fortune. Therefore if on your travels, you come across someone at the side of the road, wearing a high viz jacket and pointing at passing cars with a bemused look on their face, it's probably a senior manager at LHA, doing a traffic survey. Or to give them their correct title 'a clueless buffoon'.[/p][/quote]Well put. This is a sad situation and local people are being over ruled by Councillors who do not live in the area. Ie local democracy no longer exists when you have career politicians and a corrupt government. shytalk
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Wed 29 Jan 14

shytalk says...

charmed-one wrote:
Malthus wrote:
Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice.
Those in power, particularly those on the planning committee, are from the surrounding villages and will vote for almost every development in Clitheroe if it means their village is safe! So it doesn't really matter who the people of Clitheroe vote for. Clitheroe councillors will always be outvoted.
This is quite true. There is room in places such as Cow ark, Whitewell, Dunsop Bridge, Tosside, Newton, Bashall Eves, for some small scale development for no more than 20 houses in each village and i am sure that there will be those in the farming community who will sell a field for this purpose. That said if something was done about immigration there would not be the need for extra housing Just don't expect the Tories or the other Tories led by Miliband to do anything that though
[quote][p][bold]charmed-one[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malthus[/bold] wrote: Lol, there is now nothing that will be said and done that will stop the on-going and also the proposed developments that are, (and will be), taking place in and around Clitheroe. The deals have been done and the paperwork has been processed. I do have to admit that I do find it funny that the majority of the dissenters are probably natural supporters of those that are in power, and now they feel abandoned by those that they placed in positions of authority. Well I can only say to the people who envisaged a lifetime of being able to look out of their windows and on to a uninterrupted view of the Ribble Valley, "be careful of what you wish for". Your vote has probably now resulted in the value of your property plummeting and the fact that soon when you look out of your "picture" windows all you will see is the newly built house opposite with panoramic views. Also remember that in the pecking order you have now lost your place at the top and these "incomers" are going to be the ones looking down their nose's at you. In effect you have now become or soon will be the the "poor cousins". Sadly, you will disagree with this and continue to support a party who does not give a **** about you, but that ultimately is your choice.[/p][/quote]Those in power, particularly those on the planning committee, are from the surrounding villages and will vote for almost every development in Clitheroe if it means their village is safe! So it doesn't really matter who the people of Clitheroe vote for. Clitheroe councillors will always be outvoted.[/p][/quote]This is quite true. There is room in places such as Cow ark, Whitewell, Dunsop Bridge, Tosside, Newton, Bashall Eves, for some small scale development for no more than 20 houses in each village and i am sure that there will be those in the farming community who will sell a field for this purpose. That said if something was done about immigration there would not be the need for extra housing Just don't expect the Tories or the other Tories led by Miliband to do anything that though shytalk
  • Score: 2

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