£25m vision outlined for East Lancashire landmark

Lancashire Telegraph: The new marina The new marina

A NEW marina, hotel and climbing centre form the centrepiece of a £25million vision for an East Lancashire landmark.

Brierfield Mill, now known as North Light, would also offer a rooftop plaza giving unrivalled views of Pendle Hill, according to supporters of ambitious proposals for the grade II listed former industrial heartland.

Coun Joe Cooney, leader of Pendle Council, told the Lancashire Telegraph that ultimately the regeneration of the old Smith and Nephew site will cost around £25million.

But an investment of just £5million - possibly from the likes of the Heritage Lottery Fund or Regional Growth Fund - would kickstart the major overhaul.

Coun Cooney said: “The plans will help people to see how Brierfield Mill has huge potential to become a vibrant new working, living and cultural quarter of regional significance.”

And he is hopeful of success after Pendle MP Andrew Stephenson made out the case for the mill with both Sara Hilton, head of the north west arm of the lottery fund, and Housing and Local Growth Minister Mark Prisk.

The proposals echo Burnley Council’s hopes for the former Weavers’ Triangle - and the housing and retail elements reflect, respectively, Lob Lane Mill and Hollin Bank Mill, which were once part of the same complex.

Once the blueprints are publicised, and also go online, the authority is hopeful potential partners and funders will be attracted.

The venue was acquired by Pendle Council using a £1.5million Homes and Communities Agency grant last year and a new arm of their development arrangement with Barnfield Construction, PEARL (Brierfield Mill) Ltd, was formed.

London-based David Morley Architects has been selected to produce the masterplan for the North Light venture. The name was chosen to reflect the structural feature of many northern weaving mills.

Much of the main mill will be devoted to a business centre, under the scheme, with an activity and climbing centre pencilled in for the former gasworks next door.

The canalside extension would be split between apartments, a restaurant and shops at one end, and a hotel at the other.

But the most striking feature is a new 50-berth canal basin, next to the hotel and served by a new pub.

Land between Glen Way and the canal has been sectioned off as a ‘performance space’ or an outdoor ‘climbing zone’.

Architect Chris Roberts, who drew up the masterplan, said: “The name North Light is a stroke of genius. I instantly thought it was a great name. It can run through the whole design process.”

Tim Webber, Barnfield’s managing director, said the masterplan had been designed to be sympathetic with the mill’s heritage.

He said: “But it also includes striking contemporary features which will make this a thriving new destination for the whole region.”

The first mill building was constructed by Henry Tunstill in 1834 and at its height the site was home to 80,000 spindles and 3,800 looms. BSN Medical, the latterday successor to Smith and Nephew, ceased production there in 2007.

The old mill was earmarked for an international Muslim girls’ college until a Birmingham charity was told the plans were not within its remit.

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6:28am Tue 3 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Is this a joke?
Is this a joke? You're not mugging me off that easily

7:29am Tue 3 Dec 13

Nelsoner says...

lets hope non of the monies at Burnely FC get used by Barnfiled to finance this white elephant.We have lost a hugh chunk of our Prem money paying off "directors loans" at Wonga interest rates previously.
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Vintage Claret
lets hope non of the monies at Burnely FC get used by Barnfiled to finance this white elephant.We have lost a hugh chunk of our Prem money paying off "directors loans" at Wonga interest rates previously. " Vintage Claret Nelsoner

8:06am Tue 3 Dec 13

ron1946 says...

it's better than another green onion going up but the council have not yet realised that you can't polish the turds that are nelson and brierfield
it's better than another green onion going up but the council have not yet realised that you can't polish the turds that are nelson and brierfield ron1946

9:57am Tue 3 Dec 13

Pan-cake says...

Wish it well,but you can't help thinking Zeri, the plan for a Venice replica on a hillside (think about it) at Huncoat..

And we are still waiting for the racecourse at Simonstone.

Nothing wrong with Blue Sky thinking - just don't get your hopes up.
Wish it well,but you can't help thinking Zeri, the plan for a Venice replica on a hillside (think about it) at Huncoat.. And we are still waiting for the racecourse at Simonstone. Nothing wrong with Blue Sky thinking - just don't get your hopes up. Pan-cake

10:36am Tue 3 Dec 13

Dingle Dangle says...

A NEW marina, hotel and climbing centre form the centrepiece of a £25million vision for an East Lancashire landmark.

Brierfield Mill, now known as North Light, would also offer a rooftop plaza giving unrivalled views of Pendle Hill, according to supporters of ambitious proposals for the grade II listed former industrial heartland.

I can't stop laughing!!!!!!
A NEW marina, hotel and climbing centre form the centrepiece of a £25million vision for an East Lancashire landmark. Brierfield Mill, now known as North Light, would also offer a rooftop plaza giving unrivalled views of Pendle Hill, according to supporters of ambitious proposals for the grade II listed former industrial heartland. I can't stop laughing!!!!!! Dingle Dangle

10:43am Tue 3 Dec 13

Izanears says...

I welcome anything that will help the area to get back to its once proud status but this pie in the sky pipe dream isn't it. Just a little further down the canal at the Barden Mill there already is an is an excellent marina with bar and catering facilities. There is just not enough traffic to make another marina viable. And as to the hotel, well come on, who in their right mind wants to stay in Brierfield. The architect said calling the project NORTH LIGHT was stroke of genius. Well he would wouldn't he?
I welcome anything that will help the area to get back to its once proud status but this pie in the sky pipe dream isn't it. Just a little further down the canal at the Barden Mill there already is an is an excellent marina with bar and catering facilities. There is just not enough traffic to make another marina viable. And as to the hotel, well come on, who in their right mind wants to stay in Brierfield. The architect said calling the project NORTH LIGHT was stroke of genius. Well he would wouldn't he? Izanears

10:45am Tue 3 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

ron1946 wrote:
it's better than another green onion going up but the council have not yet realised that you can't polish the turds that are nelson and brierfield
No you can't, but you can bet they'll try and roll them in glitter.
[quote][p][bold]ron1946[/bold] wrote: it's better than another green onion going up but the council have not yet realised that you can't polish the turds that are nelson and brierfield[/p][/quote]No you can't, but you can bet they'll try and roll them in glitter. You're not mugging me off that easily

10:57am Tue 3 Dec 13

Cllr James Keith Starkie says...

It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500.

Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.
It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500. Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play. Cllr James Keith Starkie

12:44pm Tue 3 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

Other people's money!

Birmingham Vs Brierfield - Second biggest city in the UK, centre of the country next to the motorway network near the airport and international rail links. Or a small place near Nelson. Nuff said.

Salt Mills is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, they have tried to preserve the site as it was, it also happens to contain a David Hockney Gallery. He IS one of the worlds most famous painters.

Here's an idea. instead of ploughing a pointless white elephant of a bypass through the beautiful countryside, get Rolls Royce to re-locate there. Kill two birds with one stone. You could have an Aerospace centre, by encouraging a lot of the small engineering companies to come together in a single hub. You could even have an international standard aerospace museum linked to it. Failing that how about a Tesco's or any other out of town retailer? The Council seem to like those.

Vested interests all over this as there always is with these projects. Who exactly going to live in these houses/flats etc? People with money buy houses in Fence, Roughlee, Higham etc. Just like yourself Councillor Starkie, will you be selling up and moving up there? Apparently it'll have a lovely view.

The only winners from this will be a private company that extracts taxpayers money to develop. If it's such a good prospect why didn't a developer buy it on their own? Because they know no one will buy the flats and retail units at the end. So, they go into partnership and get the Council to stump up the cash to buy it and they will end up being the developer who charges to do the construction work and that is where they will make their money. They'll then walk off into the sunset with the cash and Pendle will end up with another empty white elephant all paid for by yours truly.
Other people's money! Birmingham Vs Brierfield - Second biggest city in the UK, centre of the country next to the motorway network near the airport and international rail links. Or a small place near Nelson. Nuff said. Salt Mills is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, they have tried to preserve the site as it was, it also happens to contain a David Hockney Gallery. He IS one of the worlds most famous painters. Here's an idea. instead of ploughing a pointless white elephant of a bypass through the beautiful countryside, get Rolls Royce to re-locate there. Kill two birds with one stone. You could have an Aerospace centre, by encouraging a lot of the small engineering companies to come together in a single hub. You could even have an international standard aerospace museum linked to it. Failing that how about a Tesco's or any other out of town retailer? The Council seem to like those. Vested interests all over this as there always is with these projects. Who exactly going to live in these houses/flats etc? People with money buy houses in Fence, Roughlee, Higham etc. Just like yourself Councillor Starkie, will you be selling up and moving up there? Apparently it'll have a lovely view. The only winners from this will be a private company that extracts taxpayers money to develop. If it's such a good prospect why didn't a developer buy it on their own? Because they know no one will buy the flats and retail units at the end. So, they go into partnership and get the Council to stump up the cash to buy it and they will end up being the developer who charges to do the construction work and that is where they will make their money. They'll then walk off into the sunset with the cash and Pendle will end up with another empty white elephant all paid for by yours truly. It's a spade!

3:19pm Tue 3 Dec 13

leyton says...

yeah and the councillors are up for it because of all the expenses and brown envelopes that will be flying around £30 mill split a few ways is good exes .The bit that makes me laugh is the pub lol all of the pubs in that area have closed because of the stanis so who will go in it .Moron councillors jeez.
yeah and the councillors are up for it because of all the expenses and brown envelopes that will be flying around £30 mill split a few ways is good exes .The bit that makes me laugh is the pub lol all of the pubs in that area have closed because of the stanis so who will go in it .Moron councillors jeez. leyton

3:20pm Tue 3 Dec 13

RobH2O says...

There is an unmentioned reason for why that area needs to be redeveloped and which citizens will be bought off by such a thing happening.......
There is an unmentioned reason for why that area needs to be redeveloped and which citizens will be bought off by such a thing happening....... RobH2O

4:41pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Izanears says...

Cllr James Keith Starkie wrote:
It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500.

Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.
Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments.
1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed.
2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will.
3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe!
I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr James Keith Starkie[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500. Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.[/p][/quote]Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments. 1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed. 2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will. 3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe! I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant. Izanears

4:52pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Cllr James Keith Starkie says...

Izanears wrote:
Cllr James Keith Starkie wrote:
It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500.

Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.
Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments.
1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed.
2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will.
3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe!
I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant.
I can't or won't disagree with much of what you've said; a lot of which is opinion (both sides). What I will disagree with is that it will be Pendle taxpayers being saddled. There isn't enough money in the pot now to continue running the services. This 'North Light' scheme will have to be funded by private money.
[quote][p][bold]Izanears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr James Keith Starkie[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500. Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.[/p][/quote]Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments. 1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed. 2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will. 3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe! I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant.[/p][/quote]I can't or won't disagree with much of what you've said; a lot of which is opinion (both sides). What I will disagree with is that it will be Pendle taxpayers being saddled. There isn't enough money in the pot now to continue running the services. This 'North Light' scheme will have to be funded by private money. Cllr James Keith Starkie

4:56pm Tue 3 Dec 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Cllr James Keith Starkie wrote:
It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500.

Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.
Colonel - and how do you know there is enough canal traffic?

As somebody else has said Salts Mill if the focal point of the whole area built by Titus and as such is a major area of both industrial and cultural heritage (much like Port Sunlight, Bourneville and the Rowntree Village at New Earswick).

Piece Hall has the advantage that its town centre location enables it to piggy back on the footfall from Halifax TC and also draw visitors in with its own share of retail and quasi-retail.

Fort Dunlop is a landmark location alongside the M6 and was always going to be developed - Urban Splash did a great job of making it look fab - but have you ever been to it? I have and it is a bit of a white elephant - The Travelodge is a disaster.

If you are using these examples why don't you mention Albert Dock and New Lanark too (also a WH site).

James, a more realistic comparison would be Weaver's Triangle and even this has the benefit of being close to Burnley TC. Perhaps the Midland Hotel in Morecambe is a more apposite comparison and even that is small potatoes compared to what the outline plans are for Brierfield - A hotel on that bit of road - where is your motorway access and egress.

I do agree it is a fine building and it would be shame to lose it - but it is hidden away by comparison to the locations you list. My worry would be that it ends up like Botany Bay on M61

Nowt wrong with a bit of ambition though.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr James Keith Starkie[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500. Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.[/p][/quote]Colonel - and how do you know there is enough canal traffic? As somebody else has said Salts Mill if the focal point of the whole area built by Titus and as such is a major area of both industrial and cultural heritage (much like Port Sunlight, Bourneville and the Rowntree Village at New Earswick). Piece Hall has the advantage that its town centre location enables it to piggy back on the footfall from Halifax TC and also draw visitors in with its own share of retail and quasi-retail. Fort Dunlop is a landmark location alongside the M6 and was always going to be developed - Urban Splash did a great job of making it look fab - but have you ever been to it? I have and it is a bit of a white elephant - The Travelodge is a disaster. If you are using these examples why don't you mention Albert Dock and New Lanark too (also a WH site). James, a more realistic comparison would be Weaver's Triangle and even this has the benefit of being close to Burnley TC. Perhaps the Midland Hotel in Morecambe is a more apposite comparison and even that is small potatoes compared to what the outline plans are for Brierfield - A hotel on that bit of road - where is your motorway access and egress. I do agree it is a fine building and it would be shame to lose it - but it is hidden away by comparison to the locations you list. My worry would be that it ends up like Botany Bay on M61 Nowt wrong with a bit of ambition though. hasslem hasslem

9:49pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rumblesteveskin says...

Gareth and Tim know this is nonsense.
The new college at the Weavers Triangle cost almost £26m, even though they only report it at £13m.

This will need a few more pennies, they are just trying to win people over for when the truth comes out.

Just propaganda and pipe dreams
Gareth and Tim know this is nonsense. The new college at the Weavers Triangle cost almost £26m, even though they only report it at £13m. This will need a few more pennies, they are just trying to win people over for when the truth comes out. Just propaganda and pipe dreams rumblesteveskin

10:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

Cllr James Keith Starkie wrote:
Izanears wrote:
Cllr James Keith Starkie wrote:
It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500.

Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.
Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments.
1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed.
2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will.
3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe!
I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant.
I can't or won't disagree with much of what you've said; a lot of which is opinion (both sides). What I will disagree with is that it will be Pendle taxpayers being saddled. There isn't enough money in the pot now to continue running the services. This 'North Light' scheme will have to be funded by private money.
Cllr Starkie, where ultimately does the Homes and Communities Agency grant come from or Regional Growth Fund?

Councils can pretend all they want, but, all this money comes from taxation, it might not be Council tax but it is from tax paid by residents of Pendle.

When the building is not full of tenants who will be paying for the security, staff, heating and lighting (which will be a fortune)? Pendle BC

Which company will be awarded the construction contract? Barnfield

If you want to retain the "heritage" attract visitors and create work why not consider an Industrial Revolution experience? Check out The Beamish Museum, The Black Country living museum, Ironbridge Gorge Museum, Summerlee Industrial Museum or even Puy du Fou in France (medieval life/theme park).

If you want to think big look at those, then do it better! Think on a worldwide scale, THE Industrial Revolution Museum. Tell the story of Richard Arkwright, John Kay, James Hargreaves, Samuel Crompton, Robert "Parsley" Peel, Sir Robert Peel, John Longbotham, Robert Whitworth, John Mercer, Watt, Boulton, Stephenson, Davy etc Many of these are Lancastrians to boot.

You could even incorporate the hotel you so desperately require.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr James Keith Starkie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Izanears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr James Keith Starkie[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that nameless keyboard warriors come on here slagging off the good intentions of what people are trying to achieve. The vision and sheer guts of getting this project moving is commendable and the legacy of all this will be here in the years to come; 10, 20, 50 & 500. Iza: I'm disappointed in you, you are normally constructive. How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? Have you thought who may be interested in opening another marina? Pendle has a need for a large hotel and the conversion of this building is just one part of what can be achieved. Compare it to that big old building off the M6 at Birmingham, the ex-tyre factory that is now a hotel. Look at Salts Mill, Look at Piece Hall. For goodness sake, please get behind our bid to make Pendle a better place to Work - Live - Play.[/p][/quote]Iza here Councillor Starkie replying to your comments. 1. I know the Leeds and Liverpool canal very well having lived, played and worked alongside it for half a century, and stand by my comments about the volume of traffic not being sufficient to sustain two marinas so close together. Also, if we are to believe the Global Warming zealots, we are in for a period of long, hot summers which mean droughts. We recently had a long hot summer and due to water shortages, the canal was closed. 2. You say that Pendle needs a big hotel. For years there has been a sign on the A6068 in Barroword saying that a hotel was to built. There is still no evidence of it and unless the economy sees a massive and prolonged improvement we never will. 3. You said I should compare Brierfield Mills, with the former Dunlop building alongside the M6 and Salts Mill, and Piece Hall. Surely Councillor you must realise that Birmingham, Saltaire and Halifax are light years away from Brierfield. It is a matter of location, location, location. Even someone wearing the thickest rose coloured glasses must see that Brierfield can never be put in the same category. If my memory serves me right years ago did not some now departed TV celeb once say that Pendle was on a par to Los Angeles? He lived in leafy Cheshire I believe! I want Pendle to get back to its former glory, what I don;t want is for Pendle taxpayers to be saddled with a white elephant.[/p][/quote]I can't or won't disagree with much of what you've said; a lot of which is opinion (both sides). What I will disagree with is that it will be Pendle taxpayers being saddled. There isn't enough money in the pot now to continue running the services. This 'North Light' scheme will have to be funded by private money.[/p][/quote]Cllr Starkie, where ultimately does the Homes and Communities Agency grant come from or Regional Growth Fund? Councils can pretend all they want, but, all this money comes from taxation, it might not be Council tax but it is from tax paid by residents of Pendle. When the building is not full of tenants who will be paying for the security, staff, heating and lighting (which will be a fortune)? Pendle BC Which company will be awarded the construction contract? Barnfield If you want to retain the "heritage" attract visitors and create work why not consider an Industrial Revolution experience? Check out The Beamish Museum, The Black Country living museum, Ironbridge Gorge Museum, Summerlee Industrial Museum or even Puy du Fou in France (medieval life/theme park). If you want to think big look at those, then do it better! Think on a worldwide scale, THE Industrial Revolution Museum. Tell the story of Richard Arkwright, John Kay, James Hargreaves, Samuel Crompton, Robert "Parsley" Peel, Sir Robert Peel, John Longbotham, Robert Whitworth, John Mercer, Watt, Boulton, Stephenson, Davy etc Many of these are Lancastrians to boot. You could even incorporate the hotel you so desperately require. It's a spade!

10:38pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Mike Blomeley says...

I really get fed up with the stream of negative comments from people who know nothing, but have an opinion (usually negative) on everything. No vision, no desire to see anything improved and a jaundiced view of anyone who does.
Brierfield Mills is an iconic listed building so it isn't going to be demolished. A use has to be found for it and in today's world it isn't going to be for manufacturing on the scale it was designed for.
A mixed use plan is the only logical way forward and this needs to be public / private sector in partnership because neither one can do something like this on their own.
Sure there is the potential for things to go wrong, but why let that be a reason not to do anything?
Sensible comments might suggest a different mix or some new ideas. The purpose of a Masterplan like this is to create a framework to generate interest and more suggestions, hence the open day last Saturday.
Interestingly, the residents of Brierfield are very supportive, unlike tose who don't live in the area, but feel they have the right to pour scorn on the proposals.
To you, I suggest you butt out because you have nothing useful to contribute
I really get fed up with the stream of negative comments from people who know nothing, but have an opinion (usually negative) on everything. No vision, no desire to see anything improved and a jaundiced view of anyone who does. Brierfield Mills is an iconic listed building so it isn't going to be demolished. A use has to be found for it and in today's world it isn't going to be for manufacturing on the scale it was designed for. A mixed use plan is the only logical way forward and this needs to be public / private sector in partnership because neither one can do something like this on their own. Sure there is the potential for things to go wrong, but why let that be a reason not to do anything? Sensible comments might suggest a different mix or some new ideas. The purpose of a Masterplan like this is to create a framework to generate interest and more suggestions, hence the open day last Saturday. Interestingly, the residents of Brierfield are very supportive, unlike tose who don't live in the area, but feel they have the right to pour scorn on the proposals. To you, I suggest you butt out because you have nothing useful to contribute Mike Blomeley

11:30pm Tue 3 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

Dear Ex Councillor Blomeley.

Admirable that you should support your fellow Conservative Cllr Starkie.

I live in Pendle so I won't butt out, it'll be my Council Tax paying for it.

I refer to my previous point - other peoples money!!

The Nazi's were defeated in 1945 so I believe the democratic freedoms that were fought for are still in existence. We all have a right to an opinion.

Reality is not negativity!

Taking a punt with a few million pounds means that you should be pretty sure of what you are going to get - "Sure there is the potential for things to go wrong, but why let that be a reason not to do anything" - is not a plan is it? Sorry OPM!!

Just because you disagree with something somebody else says does not mean you are right and they are wrong.

"Vision and desire" is not doing the same old thing that has failed time and time again.

I'm quite sure the residents of Brierfield are keen, they'll probably get a few more quid thrown at them by the council to brighten the area up. They'll probably get some more sandblasting and a few new shiny railings outside their houses.

So rather than commit my taxes, try and come up with something that is realistic and affordable.
Dear Ex Councillor Blomeley. Admirable that you should support your fellow Conservative Cllr Starkie. I live in Pendle so I won't butt out, it'll be my Council Tax paying for it. I refer to my previous point - other peoples money!! The Nazi's were defeated in 1945 so I believe the democratic freedoms that were fought for are still in existence. We all have a right to an opinion. Reality is not negativity! Taking a punt with a few million pounds means that you should be pretty sure of what you are going to get - "Sure there is the potential for things to go wrong, but why let that be a reason not to do anything" - is not a plan is it? Sorry OPM!! Just because you disagree with something somebody else says does not mean you are right and they are wrong. "Vision and desire" is not doing the same old thing that has failed time and time again. I'm quite sure the residents of Brierfield are keen, they'll probably get a few more quid thrown at them by the council to brighten the area up. They'll probably get some more sandblasting and a few new shiny railings outside their houses. So rather than commit my taxes, try and come up with something that is realistic and affordable. It's a spade!

12:45pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mike Blomeley says...

Dear Itsaspade
I recognise anyone's right to comment in a democracy. What I object to is the negative, destructive & sometimes outrageous accusations of financial irregularity, without making any sensible alternative proposals.
Can I also nail the allegation that this is costing council tax payers in Pendle. If you think about it, occupancy of the mill brings in business rates which now goes to local councils.
Of course there will be some central government funding involved & yes this comes from taxes, but why not get money into Pendle instead of elsewhere?
Dear Itsaspade I recognise anyone's right to comment in a democracy. What I object to is the negative, destructive & sometimes outrageous accusations of financial irregularity, without making any sensible alternative proposals. Can I also nail the allegation that this is costing council tax payers in Pendle. If you think about it, occupancy of the mill brings in business rates which now goes to local councils. Of course there will be some central government funding involved & yes this comes from taxes, but why not get money into Pendle instead of elsewhere? Mike Blomeley

1:23pm Wed 4 Dec 13

leyton says...

How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic?
just read the canal books .Where it gets to nelson all of the books state don't stop for the next 15 miles until you leave Blackburn behind nothing to see and mo whereto go only streets full of depression .
Amazing how the tories like to stop people talking thats why their bills going through parliament to stop free speech.
I'm surprised this mill didn't go up in smoke like the mills in the weavers black hole did when people were denied planning permission .
The amount of brown envelopes flying around with this kind of money would be huge .They have dried up now in the weavers black hole.
How do you KNOW that there isn't enough canal traffic? just read the canal books .Where it gets to nelson all of the books state don't stop for the next 15 miles until you leave Blackburn behind nothing to see and mo whereto go only streets full of depression . Amazing how the tories like to stop people talking thats why their bills going through parliament to stop free speech. I'm surprised this mill didn't go up in smoke like the mills in the weavers black hole did when people were denied planning permission . The amount of brown envelopes flying around with this kind of money would be huge .They have dried up now in the weavers black hole. leyton

1:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Cllr James Keith Starkie says...

There's a simple answer to the canal debate. Is the marina at Reedley full or not?

Free speech is not a problem for those who put their name behind it.

Cheap cheap shots about brown envelopes don't wash my friend. Show me some evidence and then I'll publish it for you.
There's a simple answer to the canal debate. Is the marina at Reedley full or not? Free speech is not a problem for those who put their name behind it. Cheap cheap shots about brown envelopes don't wash my friend. Show me some evidence and then I'll publish it for you. Cllr James Keith Starkie

5:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

You can only collect Business Rates from a business if there is one there to collect it from. Are you also saying that there will be no incentives offered to businesses to move in like, for example, no business rates payable!! I believe that when Debenhams were going to pull out of Blackburn the council there gave them £4 million to stay. A bit like the deal to keep Slientnight in Barnoldswick. That money comes from somewhere!

- "Of course there will be some central government funding involved & yes this comes from taxes, but why not get money into Pendle instead of elsewhere?" - Ah! the redistribution of wealth, does that not go against the principles of the Tory party? It almost sounds like Socialism.

Who appointed the LONDON based architects and who is paying for the masterplan to be developed? Was nobody more local available?

Indulge me for a moment and answer if the building is largely unlet and flats remain unsold who will be paying for the ongoing running costs? A massive building will require vast amounts of heating and lighting and security.

To attract outside investors and/or bank backing who will underwrite the project?

Do you feel that the large muslim population in the immediate area will find benefit in a pub? Has any brewery or pub company been approached to run such a venture, would they consider it viable? I don't know if you've noticed but there are hundreds of pubs closing every week, why will this be different?

Was Barnoldswick Marina also not recently extended?

How will this outshine and attract businesses over and above The Weavers Triangle project, 4 miles down the road in Burnley?

To make it even vaguelyattractive to outsiders you are going to have to spend a lot of money brightening up the whole area and any approach to it. Who will be paying for that?

I don't wish to reveal my identity as I am easily identifiable. There's a lot of nutters out there.
You can only collect Business Rates from a business if there is one there to collect it from. Are you also saying that there will be no incentives offered to businesses to move in like, for example, no business rates payable!! I believe that when Debenhams were going to pull out of Blackburn the council there gave them £4 million to stay. A bit like the deal to keep Slientnight in Barnoldswick. That money comes from somewhere! - "Of course there will be some central government funding involved & yes this comes from taxes, but why not get money into Pendle instead of elsewhere?" - Ah! the redistribution of wealth, does that not go against the principles of the Tory party? It almost sounds like Socialism. Who appointed the LONDON based architects and who is paying for the masterplan to be developed? Was nobody more local available? Indulge me for a moment and answer if the building is largely unlet and flats remain unsold who will be paying for the ongoing running costs? A massive building will require vast amounts of heating and lighting and security. To attract outside investors and/or bank backing who will underwrite the project? Do you feel that the large muslim population in the immediate area will find benefit in a pub? Has any brewery or pub company been approached to run such a venture, would they consider it viable? I don't know if you've noticed but there are hundreds of pubs closing every week, why will this be different? Was Barnoldswick Marina also not recently extended? How will this outshine and attract businesses over and above The Weavers Triangle project, 4 miles down the road in Burnley? To make it even vaguelyattractive to outsiders you are going to have to spend a lot of money brightening up the whole area and any approach to it. Who will be paying for that? I don't wish to reveal my identity as I am easily identifiable. There's a lot of nutters out there. It's a spade!

7:33pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mike Blomeley says...

Well Its A Spade, I don't think whatever I say you will see any logic in this plan.
I have no intention of going through a point by point rebuttal with you, particularly as you are hiding behind a nom-de-plume, for whatever reason.
No plan is ever going to please all the people all of the time, but I think enough will appreciate the potential offered. You won't
Well Its A Spade, I don't think whatever I say you will see any logic in this plan. I have no intention of going through a point by point rebuttal with you, particularly as you are hiding behind a nom-de-plume, for whatever reason. No plan is ever going to please all the people all of the time, but I think enough will appreciate the potential offered. You won't Mike Blomeley

9:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

It's a spade! says...

Logic cannot be found where none exists!

Either that or perhaps I'm one of those mental incompetents that your friend Boris Johnson was talking about.

I suppose if the bullying doesn't work then sulking might!

Do you want your toys back for the pram before you go?
Logic cannot be found where none exists! Either that or perhaps I'm one of those mental incompetents that your friend Boris Johnson was talking about. I suppose if the bullying doesn't work then sulking might! Do you want your toys back for the pram before you go? It's a spade!

9:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mike Blomeley says...

That's pathetic Its a spade, but no surprise. Till we meet again.
That's pathetic Its a spade, but no surprise. Till we meet again. Mike Blomeley

7:05am Thu 5 Dec 13

FREDF2009 says...

Putting all this debate to one side with regard to the proposal one clear thing is evident, once again Barnfield Construction will be benefiting again and in particular Tim Webber. Barnfield have also got the contract for Weavers Triangle so they have around a £60 million contract if this goes ahead also. Someone is doing rather well whilst we keep getting told that this is the time for austerity!
Putting all this debate to one side with regard to the proposal one clear thing is evident, once again Barnfield Construction will be benefiting again and in particular Tim Webber. Barnfield have also got the contract for Weavers Triangle so they have around a £60 million contract if this goes ahead also. Someone is doing rather well whilst we keep getting told that this is the time for austerity! FREDF2009

10:00am Thu 5 Dec 13

Cllr James Keith Starkie says...

Fred: I have said it before many times, Barnfield and PBC are in a partnership called PEARL. It's all legimate, it's all above board and it's all been audited.

It is a time of austerity, in that HMG is cutting the monies it gives to local authorities, but is now starting to release monies back into the system for major projects, particularly in transport, but that's a different subject.

By coincidence, I've just received this press release;-

"Brierfield Mill will be on BBC’s Inside Out programme on Thurs 5 December at 7.30pm. Producer Peter Trollope says: “Brierfield Mill is the star of the show"
The programme features Charles Smith and Darren Ratcliffe from English Heritage who comment that other councils could learn a lot from the work Pendle Council is doing with its pioneering joint venture company, PEARL.

Look out for Julie Palmer from our Regeneration Team on this programme!
The programme has also been chosen to feature on the BBC1 HD channel at the same time, so it can be seen all over the UK."

There's nothing that anyone can do to affect the independence of the BBC reporting, so I wait, just like I hope you will wait, to see what it has to say. Then we can debate this a little more........
Fred: I have said it before many times, Barnfield and PBC are in a partnership called PEARL. It's all legimate, it's all above board and it's all been audited. It is a time of austerity, in that HMG is cutting the monies it gives to local authorities, but is now starting to release monies back into the system for major projects, particularly in transport, but that's a different subject. By coincidence, I've just received this press release;- "Brierfield Mill will be on BBC’s Inside Out programme on Thurs 5 December at 7.30pm. Producer Peter Trollope says: “Brierfield Mill is the star of the show" The programme features Charles Smith and Darren Ratcliffe from English Heritage who comment that other councils could learn a lot from the work Pendle Council is doing with its pioneering joint venture company, PEARL. Look out for Julie Palmer from our Regeneration Team on this programme! The programme has also been chosen to feature on the BBC1 HD channel at the same time, so it can be seen all over the UK." There's nothing that anyone can do to affect the independence of the BBC reporting, so I wait, just like I hope you will wait, to see what it has to say. Then we can debate this a little more........ Cllr James Keith Starkie

4:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

rumblesteveskin says...

someone doth protest too much, methinks.
someone doth protest too much, methinks. rumblesteveskin

5:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Cllr James Keith Starkie says...

Hey Rumble - that's a good one.
And, to think that someone earlier in the thread was complaining about peoples' rights to comment and you attempt to suggest that continuing this makes you guilty. I shall go on until someone tells me who has received a brown envelope.

I'm fed up of being tarred with that brush.
Hey Rumble - that's a good one. And, to think that someone earlier in the thread was complaining about peoples' rights to comment and you attempt to suggest that continuing this makes you guilty. I shall go on until someone tells me who has received a brown envelope. I'm fed up of being tarred with that brush. Cllr James Keith Starkie

5:55pm Thu 5 Dec 13

FREDF2009 says...

Mr Starkie

Please as you seem adamant to keep mentioning "the brown envelope" could you provide the following information. As Barnfield Construction is in partnership with PBC through PEARL & PEARL 2, it can therefore be placed under the same scrutiny as a Public Body. With regard to the Contractual Agreement between the two parties ie PBC & Barnfield through the joint ventures it is doing in the Borough please provide the following information:

1) A website link where the people of Pendle can view for themselves this documentation so that they can make a better judgement whether this agreement is for the benefit of the people of Pendle and its taxpayers or for a selective few who seem to be doing quite well themselves in these current difficult times.

2) What is the workforce make up of Barnfield ie from which areas do the employees reside in, a percentage would be fine.

I would further add that as Michael Clarke, the Australian Cricket Team Captain, predicted the team for England for the second Ashes Test, I predict that when the current PBC Chief Executive Officer retires he will become a Board Member at Barnfield or will have involvement with them in some paid capacity. That is a prediction for the future!
Mr Starkie Please as you seem adamant to keep mentioning "the brown envelope" could you provide the following information. As Barnfield Construction is in partnership with PBC through PEARL & PEARL 2, it can therefore be placed under the same scrutiny as a Public Body. With regard to the Contractual Agreement between the two parties ie PBC & Barnfield through the joint ventures it is doing in the Borough please provide the following information: 1) A website link where the people of Pendle can view for themselves this documentation so that they can make a better judgement whether this agreement is for the benefit of the people of Pendle and its taxpayers or for a selective few who seem to be doing quite well themselves in these current difficult times. 2) What is the workforce make up of Barnfield ie from which areas do the employees reside in, a percentage would be fine. I would further add that as Michael Clarke, the Australian Cricket Team Captain, predicted the team for England for the second Ashes Test, I predict that when the current PBC Chief Executive Officer retires he will become a Board Member at Barnfield or will have involvement with them in some paid capacity. That is a prediction for the future! FREDF2009

7:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

leyton says...

There's nothing that anyone can do to affect the independence of the BBC reporting, ....... i cant type for laughing lol priceless As for the Brown envelopes It's well known around East Lancs for councillors for the last 10 years etc denial eh like the AA.
There's nothing that anyone can do to affect the independence of the BBC reporting, ....... i cant type for laughing lol priceless As for the Brown envelopes It's well known around East Lancs for councillors for the last 10 years etc denial eh like the AA. leyton

5:04pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Mike Blomeley says...

The brown envelopes just runs & runs doesn't it? Like Cllr Starkie says, where is the proof? If you have evidence of malpractice then present it to the Police.
As someone who was a Councillor for four years, including two as Council Leader, I can state that the accountability of Pearl is full and verified by external auditors. Bungs are an urban myth which seems to suit some folk's agendas.
In response to FredF2009, you elect Councillors (assuming you live in Pendle and can be bothered to vote), to take responsibility. A number of Councillors from all three parties are on the various Pearl Boards and have access to all the financial data, which is how public accountability is satisfied. Pendle Council's financial commitment to Pearl is covered in the Council's publically available accounts. Don't forget, Barnfield's participation is as a limited company and their financial contribution (which is far greater than the Councils) is not subject to the same scrutiny as it isn't public money.
Yes, Pendle and Burnley Councils, amongst others, and Barnfield have close relationships, but if major projects are to be delivered, Public & Private sectors have to work together. Why is that seen as a sin? Communities gain new facilities without funding more than a token cost and Barnfiled make a profit. Get real.
I shall standby for the inevitable tirade from those who can see nothing but corruption, even though they cannot produce a shred of evidence to support it. Just like the conspiracy theorists who believe the Americans never landed on the moon, or that the earth is really flat.
The brown envelopes just runs & runs doesn't it? Like Cllr Starkie says, where is the proof? If you have evidence of malpractice then present it to the Police. As someone who was a Councillor for four years, including two as Council Leader, I can state that the accountability of Pearl is full and verified by external auditors. Bungs are an urban myth which seems to suit some folk's agendas. In response to FredF2009, you elect Councillors (assuming you live in Pendle and can be bothered to vote), to take responsibility. A number of Councillors from all three parties are on the various Pearl Boards and have access to all the financial data, which is how public accountability is satisfied. Pendle Council's financial commitment to Pearl is covered in the Council's publically available accounts. Don't forget, Barnfield's participation is as a limited company and their financial contribution (which is far greater than the Councils) is not subject to the same scrutiny as it isn't public money. Yes, Pendle and Burnley Councils, amongst others, and Barnfield have close relationships, but if major projects are to be delivered, Public & Private sectors have to work together. Why is that seen as a sin? Communities gain new facilities without funding more than a token cost and Barnfiled make a profit. Get real. I shall standby for the inevitable tirade from those who can see nothing but corruption, even though they cannot produce a shred of evidence to support it. Just like the conspiracy theorists who believe the Americans never landed on the moon, or that the earth is really flat. Mike Blomeley

3:30pm Sat 7 Dec 13

FREDF2009 says...

Please provide the information never mind coming up with ridiculous comments.

1) The link where the agreement between PBC & Barnfield can be found.
2) The percentage makeup of residence for the employees that work for Barnfleild.

Further I would add the White Elephant that is called the Ace Centre, apparently the Office Space that is available for rent is nothing home to write about ie 2/3 empty! There is a shortfall also in the costs associated to the operational costs for the building in that it is reliant upon the Taxpayer to prop it up for the last year or so, probably will be a similar scenario to Brierfield Mills!

There is also a famous saying "pixxing in same pot" that's what all the ruling Councils have done for the last 15 years and people have been very well looked after! No smoke without fire Mr Blomeley!
Please provide the information never mind coming up with ridiculous comments. 1) The link where the agreement between PBC & Barnfield can be found. 2) The percentage makeup of residence for the employees that work for Barnfleild. Further I would add the White Elephant that is called the Ace Centre, apparently the Office Space that is available for rent is nothing home to write about ie 2/3 empty! There is a shortfall also in the costs associated to the operational costs for the building in that it is reliant upon the Taxpayer to prop it up for the last year or so, probably will be a similar scenario to Brierfield Mills! There is also a famous saying "pixxing in same pot" that's what all the ruling Councils have done for the last 15 years and people have been very well looked after! No smoke without fire Mr Blomeley! FREDF2009

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