Gang of four assault teenager in Blackburn

A TEENAGER was left with a fractured jaw after he was attacked by four men while he walked home in Blackburn.

The victim was followed by the men who subjected him to an unprovoked assault, fracturing his jaw in two places.

Police said he needed surgery for the injury.

The incident took place at around 9pm last Saturday, June 1 when the man was walking across a field near to the Observatory pub in Haslingden Road towards Sullivan Drive in the Higher Croft area.

The offenders are believed to be Asian and in their late teens or early 20s.

DI Paul Langley said: “The victim has suffered significant injuries and is obviously shaken by the incident.

“I’d reassure people that such attacks are not common in the area and there have been no other recent reports of such assaults in Blackburn.

“An investigation is underway but I’d appeal for anybody who was in the area of Haslingden Road who may have seen the incident, in particular a man walking a white dog who was seen by the victim after the assault, to contact the police on 101 quoting log reference LC-20130604-0337.”

People with information can also contact the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 or on-line at Crimestoppers-uk.org

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9:45am Sun 9 Jun 13

mastergx says...

I note that DI Langley says that incidents like this are not common, (he doesn't say isolated or rare), because he knows that groups of Asians, ( probably Pakistani never Indian) attacking lone white males are pretty common in Blackburn and Burnley.
I note that DI Langley says that incidents like this are not common, (he doesn't say isolated or rare), because he knows that groups of Asians, ( probably Pakistani never Indian) attacking lone white males are pretty common in Blackburn and Burnley. mastergx

9:57am Sun 9 Jun 13

darwen123 says...

why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!!
why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!! darwen123

10:17am Sun 9 Jun 13

doggydog says...

all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these!
all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these! doggydog

10:27am Sun 9 Jun 13

Stone Island: says...

doggydog wrote:
all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these!
It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.
[quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these![/p][/quote]It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that. Stone Island:

11:38am Sun 9 Jun 13

Cinders72 says...

And what will be done IF the scumbags are found....a finger wag and a telling off...
And what will be done IF the scumbags are found....a finger wag and a telling off... Cinders72

11:48am Sun 9 Jun 13

Give_Kean_A_Chance says...

Headline should read Anti White Racist Attack. Weird how Asian on white attacks are never labelled as racist??? It needs to be highlighted and stamped out before some people take the law into their own hands and start to fight back
Headline should read Anti White Racist Attack. Weird how Asian on white attacks are never labelled as racist??? It needs to be highlighted and stamped out before some people take the law into their own hands and start to fight back Give_Kean_A_Chance

12:02pm Sun 9 Jun 13

martra1964 says...

That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area. martra1964

12:27pm Sun 9 Jun 13

doggydog says...

Stone Island: wrote:
doggydog wrote:
all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these!
It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.
Hmmmm, it is strange aint it?
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these![/p][/quote]It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.[/p][/quote]Hmmmm, it is strange aint it? doggydog

1:36pm Sun 9 Jun 13

adcr says...

Not sure what to make of this, as it doesn't say if the victim was white or other ethnicity. If the victim was white then it is highly likely that race played a part in this attack and this should be acknowledged. This would then point to the fact that either the police or the Lancashire Telegraph is practicing censorship. This is all hypothetical because for some reason we are not allowed to know the victim’s ethnicity.
Not sure what to make of this, as it doesn't say if the victim was white or other ethnicity. If the victim was white then it is highly likely that race played a part in this attack and this should be acknowledged. This would then point to the fact that either the police or the Lancashire Telegraph is practicing censorship. This is all hypothetical because for some reason we are not allowed to know the victim’s ethnicity. adcr

2:16pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Jarisleif5 says...

adcr wrote:
Not sure what to make of this, as it doesn't say if the victim was white or other ethnicity. If the victim was white then it is highly likely that race played a part in this attack and this should be acknowledged. This would then point to the fact that either the police or the Lancashire Telegraph is practicing censorship. This is all hypothetical because for some reason we are not allowed to know the victim’s ethnicity.
Of course the LT is practicing censorship on certain reports. You can guarantee comments will be deleted and the chance of commenting will be closed from this story on Monday morning.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: Not sure what to make of this, as it doesn't say if the victim was white or other ethnicity. If the victim was white then it is highly likely that race played a part in this attack and this should be acknowledged. This would then point to the fact that either the police or the Lancashire Telegraph is practicing censorship. This is all hypothetical because for some reason we are not allowed to know the victim’s ethnicity.[/p][/quote]Of course the LT is practicing censorship on certain reports. You can guarantee comments will be deleted and the chance of commenting will be closed from this story on Monday morning. Jarisleif5

2:19pm Sun 9 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

Nobody should be mugged or assulted on our street by Asian or white gangs.These thugs should be brought to justice and locked up for months.
These are isolated incidents as some are mugged or assulted by White or Asian gangs.I am sure the Police will catch those culprits and brought to justice and punished for this terrible crime.
My sympathy goes to this young teenager and i hope you get better and don't let these thugs scare you off our streets.
One comment about Pakistani gangs are responsible for these attacks and grooming of young white girls as the police are aware of different Asian origins in Blackburn.
Indians are more law abiding and more educated than their fellow Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.Indians commit less crime in UK than other ethnic minorities.
Nobody should be mugged or assulted on our street by Asian or white gangs.These thugs should be brought to justice and locked up for months. These are isolated incidents as some are mugged or assulted by White or Asian gangs.I am sure the Police will catch those culprits and brought to justice and punished for this terrible crime. My sympathy goes to this young teenager and i hope you get better and don't let these thugs scare you off our streets. One comment about Pakistani gangs are responsible for these attacks and grooming of young white girls as the police are aware of different Asian origins in Blackburn. Indians are more law abiding and more educated than their fellow Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.Indians commit less crime in UK than other ethnic minorities. M.DANNY

2:35pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Fromwithin says...

darwen123 wrote:
why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!!
To alleviate your ignorance I can assure you that it's not a cultural thing...well at least amongst the Indian population. Like every society the Pakistani community has a bad bunch, however it seems this bunch is greater than most other communities.
[quote][p][bold]darwen123[/bold] wrote: why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!![/p][/quote]To alleviate your ignorance I can assure you that it's not a cultural thing...well at least amongst the Indian population. Like every society the Pakistani community has a bad bunch, however it seems this bunch is greater than most other communities. Fromwithin

2:37pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Marky mark says...

4 on to 1 Big tough guys, they must be really proud of themselves.
4 on to 1 Big tough guys, they must be really proud of themselves. Marky mark

2:39pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Fromwithin says...

Stone Island: wrote:
doggydog wrote:
all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these!
It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.
I don't think so! You only have to look at all the high profile pedo's being unearthed since the infamous Jimmy Saville revelations see how tjings hang in the balance!

By the way I deplore every act of violence irrespective of race, religion or colour.
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these![/p][/quote]It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.[/p][/quote]I don't think so! You only have to look at all the high profile pedo's being unearthed since the infamous Jimmy Saville revelations see how tjings hang in the balance! By the way I deplore every act of violence irrespective of race, religion or colour. Fromwithin

2:42pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Fromwithin says...

martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
In view of that you no doubt will agree that all the recent attacks against Muslims should then also be treated as terrorist attacks as is the case if its the other way round!
[quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]In view of that you no doubt will agree that all the recent attacks against Muslims should then also be treated as terrorist attacks as is the case if its the other way round! Fromwithin

2:42pm Sun 9 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
[quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people. M.DANNY

4:03pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Morag Crump says...

Racist attack, plain and simple.
Racist attack, plain and simple. Morag Crump

4:09pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Good call says...

This is why we need concealed carry.
This is why we need concealed carry. Good call

4:20pm Sun 9 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD! sen c b l

5:29pm Sun 9 Jun 13

george gently says...

in my younger days you had a fight using your fists one on one and shook hands at the end of it ,these days it a gang up on one ,how brave we are these days , animals hunt in packs and that what these gangs are
in my younger days you had a fight using your fists one on one and shook hands at the end of it ,these days it a gang up on one ,how brave we are these days , animals hunt in packs and that what these gangs are george gently

5:54pm Sun 9 Jun 13

peely says...

Four against one sounds about just right - tough guys eh ?
Four against one sounds about just right - tough guys eh ? peely

6:19pm Sun 9 Jun 13

woolywords says...

sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n
k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji. woolywords

6:22pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Reality50 says...

It is about time the police and media were more honest about these type of cases. I will lay a weeks wages these are MUSLIM lads not Asians. The description "Asian" is vague and infers these lads may be Chinese or Sikh when we know almost certainly they are Muslim. Secondly why has the colour/ethnicity of the victim not been released? Of course we know he will be white but the journalist should have done their job and posted that in the article. Had this been the other way around there is no doubt the police and media would have said this is race related. As someone who reads plenty of news websites I can tell you that racial attacks from Muslim to white and white to Muslim are increasing.
It is about time the police and media were more honest about these type of cases. I will lay a weeks wages these are MUSLIM lads not Asians. The description "Asian" is vague and infers these lads may be Chinese or Sikh when we know almost certainly they are Muslim. Secondly why has the colour/ethnicity of the victim not been released? Of course we know he will be white but the journalist should have done their job and posted that in the article. Had this been the other way around there is no doubt the police and media would have said this is race related. As someone who reads plenty of news websites I can tell you that racial attacks from Muslim to white and white to Muslim are increasing. Reality50

7:06pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Morag Crump says...

We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!!
We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!! Morag Crump

8:29pm Sun 9 Jun 13

hasslem hasslem says...

they are not always asian - they are not always muslims

my battering/mugging history - white bloke 50yr old

1) 1978 blackburn boulevard - heading for the bus after buzzocks concert at kgh me and a lass were jumped on by an (from what i remember) all white gang of northern soul boys with long leather coats and them daft bell bottoms - took a right kicking in a bus shelter until some good samaritan (who knew the kickers) called off the dogs - my crime wearing a demin jacket

2) living in whalley range (the manchester version) in the early 80s had a knife pulled on me by a gang of black geezers and mugged on my way to the chippy - my crime living in inner city manchester

3) living in north west london - getting off the last tube around midnight was confronted by a drunken gang of all white blokes challenging me to take them on - after saying "no thanks" - got coshed in the face by a half brick by the gang leader - nearly lost an eye....still have the scars...my crime - wrong place, wrong time

4) cant remember the year but prob early 90s - coming out of manhattan heights up by tommy balls jumped on and given a right kicking by a gang of white lads as got to bottom of the steps....i was castigated for being a "p.aki lover". i had been in the nightclub with an indian mate of mine

5) st petersburg in 2006 on underground - assaulted and mugged by a gang of what looked like gypsy types (although i could not sure) as the train pulled into the russian equivqalent of picadilly circus - my crime being a vulnerable western tourist with an invisible "mug me" signpost above my head.

i dont claim to be particulary lucky or unlucky.....these things do happen.

i hate all violence and the perpetrators regardless of their race creed or colour.

ironically i have watched rovers since 1968 and been to all the silly away grounds - millwall, weztam, chelsea, old cardiff etc and never had any real trouble apart from being chased around a school playground in mosside after a rovers game at maine road.
they are not always asian - they are not always muslims my battering/mugging history - white bloke 50yr old 1) 1978 blackburn boulevard - heading for the bus after buzzocks concert at kgh me and a lass were jumped on by an (from what i remember) all white gang of northern soul boys with long leather coats and them daft bell bottoms - took a right kicking in a bus shelter until some good samaritan (who knew the kickers) called off the dogs - my crime wearing a demin jacket 2) living in whalley range (the manchester version) in the early 80s had a knife pulled on me by a gang of black geezers and mugged on my way to the chippy - my crime living in inner city manchester 3) living in north west london - getting off the last tube around midnight was confronted by a drunken gang of all white blokes challenging me to take them on - after saying "no thanks" - got coshed in the face by a half brick by the gang leader - nearly lost an eye....still have the scars...my crime - wrong place, wrong time 4) cant remember the year but prob early 90s - coming out of manhattan heights up by tommy balls jumped on and given a right kicking by a gang of white lads as got to bottom of the steps....i was castigated for being a "p.aki lover". i had been in the nightclub with an indian mate of mine 5) st petersburg in 2006 on underground - assaulted and mugged by a gang of what looked like gypsy types (although i could not sure) as the train pulled into the russian equivqalent of picadilly circus - my crime being a vulnerable western tourist with an invisible "mug me" signpost above my head. i dont claim to be particulary lucky or unlucky.....these things do happen. i hate all violence and the perpetrators regardless of their race creed or colour. ironically i have watched rovers since 1968 and been to all the silly away grounds - millwall, weztam, chelsea, old cardiff etc and never had any real trouble apart from being chased around a school playground in mosside after a rovers game at maine road. hasslem hasslem

8:30pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

Morag Crump wrote:
We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!!
But if we boycotted their businesses where else would we buy our under the counter cheap (illegally imported) ciggies and where would 13 year olds go to buy their booze?
[quote][p][bold]Morag Crump[/bold] wrote: We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!![/p][/quote]But if we boycotted their businesses where else would we buy our under the counter cheap (illegally imported) ciggies and where would 13 year olds go to buy their booze? Rimbus

8:30pm Sun 9 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n

k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it! sen c b l

8:39pm Sun 9 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

sen c b l wrote:
woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n


k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you!
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it![/p][/quote]....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you! sen c b l

8:41pm Sun 9 Jun 13

macca1982 says...

the rivers will run red..............
the rivers will run red.............. macca1982

8:48pm Sun 9 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

darwen123 wrote:
why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!!
It happened t'other year on North road when the victim hit out and killed him. The whole community came out to give respect to the family but clearly 4 ignorant cowards have already forgot.
[quote][p][bold]darwen123[/bold] wrote: why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!![/p][/quote]It happened t'other year on North road when the victim hit out and killed him. The whole community came out to give respect to the family but clearly 4 ignorant cowards have already forgot. jack daniels

8:57pm Sun 9 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

macca1982 wrote:
the rivers will run red..............
Yes in Syria!

Here you go Wooly another moron for u
[quote][p][bold]macca1982[/bold] wrote: the rivers will run red..............[/p][/quote]Yes in Syria! Here you go Wooly another moron for u sen c b l

9:12pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

sen c b l wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n



k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you!
Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it![/p][/quote]....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you![/p][/quote]Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say? Rimbus

9:54pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Stone Island: says...

Rimbus wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n




k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you!
Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?
I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days.
[quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it![/p][/quote]....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you![/p][/quote]Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?[/p][/quote]I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days. Stone Island:

10:07pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

Inbreeding or 'ganging up on Asians and beating them up'?
Inbreeding or 'ganging up on Asians and beating them up'? Rimbus

10:22pm Sun 9 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

We need to remember that scum bags commit these crimes and it has little to do with their cultural heritage. The bigger problem is that employees in the public sector (especially the police and social services) are either persuaded to down play the ethnic element or are terrified of being labelled a racist by the 'powers that be'.

I believe it's this masking of the facts which angers people more than the discrimination we see in this segregated town.
We need to remember that scum bags commit these crimes and it has little to do with their cultural heritage. The bigger problem is that employees in the public sector (especially the police and social services) are either persuaded to down play the ethnic element or are terrified of being labelled a racist by the 'powers that be'. I believe it's this masking of the facts which angers people more than the discrimination we see in this segregated town. jack daniels

10:32pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Stone Island: says...

Rimbus wrote:
Inbreeding or 'ganging up on Asians and beating them up'?
Inbreeding. They are becoming quite notorious for it.
[quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: Inbreeding or 'ganging up on Asians and beating them up'?[/p][/quote]Inbreeding. They are becoming quite notorious for it. Stone Island:

10:49pm Sun 9 Jun 13

asiancare says...

M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
well quoted.!!! but its still not gonna sink in with these thickos no matter how hard you try. thats all they have left to do in there sad jealous bigotted lives.
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]well quoted.!!! but its still not gonna sink in with these thickos no matter how hard you try. thats all they have left to do in there sad jealous bigotted lives. asiancare

10:59pm Sun 9 Jun 13

asiancare says...

Stone Island: wrote:
Rimbus wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n





k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you!
Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?
I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days.
stop writing **** as usual.COPYING AND PASTING.doesnt make sense. u only just need and excuse like the EDL. misguided evidence.
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it![/p][/quote]....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you![/p][/quote]Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?[/p][/quote]I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days.[/p][/quote]stop writing **** as usual.COPYING AND PASTING.doesnt make sense. u only just need and excuse like the EDL. misguided evidence. asiancare

11:22pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Stone Island: says...

asiancare wrote:
Stone Island: wrote:
Rimbus wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
woolywords wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians!
Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line.

ON GUARD!
I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong.

The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source.
Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India.

Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence?
Full story here..
http://tinyurl.com/n






k52trm
The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out.

Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I.
As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.
Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly.
My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times.
And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up.
It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed!
If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't.
Get use to it!
....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you!
Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?
I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days.
stop writing **** as usual.COPYING AND PASTING.doesnt make sense. u only just need and excuse like the EDL. misguided evidence.
The only thing that doesn't make sense, is your comment.
[quote][p][bold]asiancare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]See how you ended up with 3 thumbs down when you've highlited attacks on Asians! Son you've got along way to go before you'll begin to reckon up these morons who only wish good for themselves, and any Asian progress, and you're on the firing line. ON GUARD![/p][/quote]I love the way that you seek to show the meaning of a word, even though you are wrong. The thug was a follower of the Thugee cult in the India, led by Thug Behram, who was executed in 1840. All thugs derive their name from this source. Mugger, is from the animal that steal it's food from another predator by intimidation. The Mugger Crocodile is one of three species, found in India. Would you like to comment on the fact that government funding for the group, Tell Mama, is to be withdrawn after it has been shown to be wilfully fabricating evidence? Full story here.. http://tinyurl.com/n k52trm The article makes for some very disturbing reading especially in light of the legal threats it makes to those whom speak out. Of course you failed to make any mention of condemnation of these attacks but rather seek to portray yourselves as being victims then write against those whom express their concerns about this behaviour.. much as do I. As for being a moron... Well, I was the one whom spotted the error of the words and ways of using them, not that I'm trying to curry any favour here -that's an English word, used to describe a sauce, from Trinidad to Fiji.[/p][/quote]Never mind your krap. Bin it Wooly. My point refers to M Danny's posts in which Asians are on the receiving end by Saxon 'Thugees' and in present times. And more recently in the 70's when punks and other inbreds were ganging up on Asians and beating them up. It's how the indeginous wants all the attention and sympathy when this very paper reports of lone Asian being verbally abused at railway stations by group of white morons. Didn't see your post on that subject, because as always there were no comments allowed! If you expect me to shed a tear, I won't. Get use to it![/p][/quote]....and when I meant moron, I meant idiots like you![/p][/quote]Are you sure you're not confusing punks with skinheads? I've no recollection of any incidents where Asians were assaulted by punks. I do however recollect that a very significant proportion of Anti-Nazi League supporters were in fact punks. As for your assertion that 'inbreds' were also involved in such incidents is bizarre as it is widely accepted that inbreeding is most prevalent within communities whose heritage lies in South East Asia. What exactly are you trying to say?[/p][/quote]I'm led to believe It's quite popular in Burnley, these days.[/p][/quote]stop writing **** as usual.COPYING AND PASTING.doesnt make sense. u only just need and excuse like the EDL. misguided evidence.[/p][/quote]The only thing that doesn't make sense, is your comment. Stone Island:

12:45am Mon 10 Jun 13

happycyclist says...

There simply isn't enough information in the article for anyone to be making assumptions about anything. The lone white guy (IF it was a lone white guy) could easily been on the receiving end of a revenge beating where he was a participant in the assault by a gang of white scum on a lone Asian. The LT really is utter sh!te when it comes to balanced and accurate rerporting, and anyone who reads this rubbish on a regular basis should know that.
There simply isn't enough information in the article for anyone to be making assumptions about anything. The lone white guy (IF it was a lone white guy) could easily been on the receiving end of a revenge beating where he was a participant in the assault by a gang of white scum on a lone Asian. The LT really is utter sh!te when it comes to balanced and accurate rerporting, and anyone who reads this rubbish on a regular basis should know that. happycyclist

8:44am Mon 10 Jun 13

woolywords says...

Can I just point out that in the original article, on the Lancs Police website, they don't mention the ethnicity of the victim. So all the comments that point the finger at LT, in an wagging manner, are quite unwarranted.
Incidently, whilst there is a general assumption that the victim is white, in spite of it not being stated, one shouldn't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned, rabid and racist rant. There is the possibility of prices rising in revenge if they are offended, the Chinese are well noted for this, by sticking it to you, in the Prawn Crackers!
Moronic Monday everybuddy!
Can I just point out that in the original article, on the Lancs Police website, they don't mention the ethnicity of the victim. So all the comments that point the finger at LT, in an wagging manner, are quite unwarranted. Incidently, whilst there is a general assumption that the victim is white, in spite of it not being stated, one shouldn't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned, rabid and racist rant. There is the possibility of prices rising in revenge if they are offended, the Chinese are well noted for this, by sticking it to you, in the Prawn Crackers! Moronic Monday everybuddy! woolywords

8:52am Mon 10 Jun 13

drunken donut says...

Rimbus wrote:
Morag Crump wrote:
We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!!
But if we boycotted their businesses where else would we buy our under the counter cheap (illegally imported) ciggies and where would 13 year olds go to buy their booze?
Naughty! The truth is not allowed on these pages.
[quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morag Crump[/bold] wrote: We all know they are Muslim ! They ALWAYS are !! makes me sick how they are pandered to, pathetic. Boycott their businesses ... ALL of them !!!!![/p][/quote]But if we boycotted their businesses where else would we buy our under the counter cheap (illegally imported) ciggies and where would 13 year olds go to buy their booze?[/p][/quote]Naughty! The truth is not allowed on these pages. drunken donut

9:15am Mon 10 Jun 13

pdb951 says...

Why is this not headlined racist attack?
I am sick and tired of the one way reporting by this news paper. If these savages were white it would be instantly reported as a racist attack.
You can not have it both ways LT! People are getting increasingly frustrated and I predict it will boil up at some stage, if only because the truth is known but suppressed.
As for not reporting the ethnicity of the victim, why have you not done so LT?
Might have stopped so speculation.
This newspaper is severely unbalanced and should be made to come clean or close!
We want the truth not some twisted garbage made to suit the few who will not integrate.
Why is this not headlined racist attack? I am sick and tired of the one way reporting by this news paper. If these savages were white it would be instantly reported as a racist attack. You can not have it both ways LT! People are getting increasingly frustrated and I predict it will boil up at some stage, if only because the truth is known but suppressed. As for not reporting the ethnicity of the victim, why have you not done so LT? Might have stopped so speculation. This newspaper is severely unbalanced and should be made to come clean or close! We want the truth not some twisted garbage made to suit the few who will not integrate. pdb951

11:58am Mon 10 Jun 13

L1882 says...

M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
I think the question being asked is, in the cases you list, were any reported as racist, was race mentioned as factor?

The primary issue I have with reports of this nature is they seem almost invariably to describe white on non white crime as race related and non white on white crime race is rarely mentioned as an issue.

The people who carried out this attack are scum, the question we don't have an answer to is are they racist scum
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]I think the question being asked is, in the cases you list, were any reported as racist, was race mentioned as factor? The primary issue I have with reports of this nature is they seem almost invariably to describe white on non white crime as race related and non white on white crime race is rarely mentioned as an issue. The people who carried out this attack are scum, the question we don't have an answer to is are they racist scum L1882

1:55pm Mon 10 Jun 13

crankitup says...

the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give
the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give crankitup

2:08pm Mon 10 Jun 13

pdb951 says...

I agree 100% with this comment. Something HAS to be done because the problems are not going away.

Just for the record I note how quickly a guy was arrested after a threat on Twitter to Salma Yaqoob. I do not condone this threat I condemn it but I note how he is detained.

Do I take it he is a real threat or did he just say something stupid in haste?
I agree 100% with this comment. Something HAS to be done because the problems are not going away. Just for the record I note how quickly a guy was arrested after a threat on Twitter to Salma Yaqoob. I do not condone this threat I condemn it but I note how he is detained. Do I take it he is a real threat or did he just say something stupid in haste? pdb951

2:12pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

crankitup wrote:
the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give
This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968.
Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man." Powell went on:


Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.

Did we listen?
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give[/p][/quote]This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968. Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man."[5] Powell went on: Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.[5] Did we listen? Lancs - pensioner

2:17pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Casper's mum says...

Regardless of anyone involved in this and their race/religion/age/ge
nder/etc. they are cowardly scumbags who attacked a lone teenage lad. We all should all feel safe to walk alone at any time of the day and it seems Blackburn is no longer a safe place to walk alone.
Regardless of anyone involved in this and their race/religion/age/ge nder/etc. they are cowardly scumbags who attacked a lone teenage lad. We all should all feel safe to walk alone at any time of the day and it seems Blackburn is no longer a safe place to walk alone. Casper's mum

2:29pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Reality50 says...

The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo
rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead. Reality50

3:11pm Mon 10 Jun 13

woolywords says...

pdb951 wrote:
I agree 100% with this comment. Something HAS to be done because the problems are not going away.

Just for the record I note how quickly a guy was arrested after a threat on Twitter to Salma Yaqoob. I do not condone this threat I condemn it but I note how he is detained.

Do I take it he is a real threat or did he just say something stupid in haste?
I, like you, have only read the various websites and listened to news broadcasts, so what we know is fairly limited.
However, you have to realise that there has been a recent change in the law, where normally people used to be charged with uttering a threat, the same couldn't be done for the written word. This is where the law was changed to accommodate the growth in social media over the past few years.
So now, anything that you write, you are legally responsible for, both in the civil and/or criminal courts. In the past, taking someone to court for a libellous statement was only the preserve of those with a bit of brass, not now. It's almost got to the point of a no win, no fee situation. Where, for instance, I take umbrage at what someone says about me in this column, by implying that I'm a moron, I can sue both the person and more important (because he has all the cash), the proprietor of the newspaper where he is liable for what was published. Not that I would, as I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech and right express an opinion.
Legally, you can write that you think I'm a moron, you just can't say outright that I am one. And to be honest, I really enjoy the spleen that is vented here. Am of the school that knows that words can never harm me.

Currently, a test case is going through the Courts, to decide if what someone writes while drunk is to be given the same credence as though sober. As we all know, drink in, brains out and things get said that shouldn't, while under the influence.
I can only speculate that this has been perceived as being a direct threat, if an arrest has been made.
Of course, this does not mean that it will go to before a court, as a simple retraction and full apology may meet the victims requirements.
[quote][p][bold]pdb951[/bold] wrote: I agree 100% with this comment. Something HAS to be done because the problems are not going away. Just for the record I note how quickly a guy was arrested after a threat on Twitter to Salma Yaqoob. I do not condone this threat I condemn it but I note how he is detained. Do I take it he is a real threat or did he just say something stupid in haste?[/p][/quote]I, like you, have only read the various websites and listened to news broadcasts, so what we know is fairly limited. However, you have to realise that there has been a recent change in the law, where normally people used to be charged with uttering a threat, the same couldn't be done for the written word. This is where the law was changed to accommodate the growth in social media over the past few years. So now, anything that you write, you are legally responsible for, both in the civil and/or criminal courts. In the past, taking someone to court for a libellous statement was only the preserve of those with a bit of brass, not now. It's almost got to the point of a no win, no fee situation. Where, for instance, I take umbrage at what someone says about me in this column, by implying that I'm a moron, I can sue both the person and more important (because he has all the cash), the proprietor of the newspaper where he is liable for what was published. Not that I would, as I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech and right express an opinion. Legally, you can write that you think I'm a moron, you just can't say outright that I am one. And to be honest, I really enjoy the spleen that is vented here. Am of the school that knows that words can never harm me. Currently, a test case is going through the Courts, to decide if what someone writes while drunk is to be given the same credence as though sober. As we all know, drink in, brains out and things get said that shouldn't, while under the influence. I can only speculate that this has been perceived as being a direct threat, if an arrest has been made. Of course, this does not mean that it will go to before a court, as a simple retraction and full apology may meet the victims requirements. woolywords

3:28pm Mon 10 Jun 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
crankitup wrote:
the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give
This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968.
Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man." Powell went on:


Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.

Did we listen?
and powell's comments were a total disgrace - incidentally he was talking about the BLACK man - not the BROWN man. that did not feature in his thinking.

and who says the bloke who was saying it was decent - is it decent to discriminate on the basis of any colour black, brown, yellow, white, polka dot? judge everybody on themselves not some stupid racial profiling.....i see the modern day powell nick griffin was up to his usual tricks at the weekend calling mandela a murdering terrorist.

perhaps you should move over to serbia they like chucking bananas a black english footballers - you should really get a grip on yourself.

incidentally this blokes family that would be moving overseas - did he not realise they would be the same despised immigrants in another country that he was moaning about on the streets of wolverhampton.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give[/p][/quote]This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968. Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man."[5] Powell went on: Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.[5] Did we listen?[/p][/quote]and powell's comments were a total disgrace - incidentally he was talking about the BLACK man - not the BROWN man. that did not feature in his thinking. and who says the bloke who was saying it was decent - is it decent to discriminate on the basis of any colour black, brown, yellow, white, polka dot? judge everybody on themselves not some stupid racial profiling.....i see the modern day powell nick griffin was up to his usual tricks at the weekend calling mandela a murdering terrorist. perhaps you should move over to serbia they like chucking bananas a black english footballers - you should really get a grip on yourself. incidentally this blokes family that would be moving overseas - did he not realise they would be the same despised immigrants in another country that he was moaning about on the streets of wolverhampton. hasslem hasslem

3:53pm Mon 10 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo

rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
No I disagree with your post. It's only lately and I mean within 10 years that Asians have become to be recognise by their religions. Prior to that any person from the asian sub continent regardless whether they were Hindus Sikhs Muslims, they were all seen as Asians and all at the receiving end of race hate. Let me direct you to Leicester where the majority of Asians are Hindus and because you and other uninformed 'good' citizens never get to know the facts you fail to appreciate the amount of incidents of race issues.
In India the Hindus Sikhs and Muslims live in harmony and next door to each other and school children are of mixed cultures, unlike the UK where schools are of predominantly one race and ward areas where the majority are of one colour. Why else is the term used 'white flight' or even 'white fright'!

So cut the bull, you wouldn't even have the expertise to differentiate between a Sikh and a Muslim. It would be like separating an English man and a Welsh!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]No I disagree with your post. It's only lately and I mean within 10 years that Asians have become to be recognise by their religions. Prior to that any person from the asian sub continent regardless whether they were Hindus Sikhs Muslims, they were all seen as Asians and all at the receiving end of race hate. Let me direct you to Leicester where the majority of Asians are Hindus and because you and other uninformed 'good' citizens never get to know the facts you fail to appreciate the amount of incidents of race issues. In India the Hindus Sikhs and Muslims live in harmony and next door to each other and school children are of mixed cultures, unlike the UK where schools are of predominantly one race and ward areas where the majority are of one colour. Why else is the term used 'white flight' or even 'white fright'! So cut the bull, you wouldn't even have the expertise to differentiate between a Sikh and a Muslim. It would be like separating an English man and a Welsh! sen c b l

4:04pm Mon 10 Jun 13

woolywords says...

Whilst to a certain extent I agree with what Reality says as regards multiculturalism having not really worked so far. This doesn't mean that we should throw it's principles away entirely. We just have to find a way to make it work or we are heading for trouble.
Perhaps if we stopped religious education in the schools, that might go some way towards lowering the barriers. As there's nothing like kids for sorting things out amongst themselves, without parental or State interference. They are more adept at finding some happy medium and rub along together. The younger they get mixed up, the better.
As for emigration, this assumes that the place we're intending to go actually wants us there! By that I mean the neighbours, not what some politician says. There is a certain silliness in becoming a migrant, to get away from the migrants in your home country. The planet only has a finite amount of space to live in, after all. Can't wait for the news reports of sink estates of igloos, can you?
We've changed the laws in this country so much to accommodate so many differing and diverse cultures that those who wrote Magna Carta wouldn't recognise the place. Even down to the Sikh's being excused helmets!
With all this giving there obviously has to be some leeway given by the other party, so as to meet halfway. We don't mind if you trade in goods that are forbidden in your culture, just don't break the rules to make another penny or two. Nor think that, because you are taught something in a religion that excuses you from the law, as some of are aware that there are bits of the same teaching that tell you, in no uncertain terms, to respect them in the land that you find yourself in. We even tolerate, with a spoken agreement, that you can run anti-government groups that speak out against the one in the land of your forefathers, within our borders and we will even go so far as to raise your concerns with them when they visit here.
Over the centuries, these island have seen many peoples come to these shores and we've managed to find some commonality between us and I don't see why, in this day and age, we cannot find it now. After all, it won't be too long before we are all complaining about the numbers of Chinese coming here, once they open up their borders.
As for the comment regarding what Enoch Powell said, it never has nor ever will come to reality his portent of doom. The riots in both Brixton and Toxteth exposed that lie, where races rioted together in common cause against the State.
I may not like what you say but I will defend unto death your right to say it.
(Voltaire)
Whilst to a certain extent I agree with what Reality says as regards multiculturalism having not really worked so far. This doesn't mean that we should throw it's principles away entirely. We just have to find a way to make it work or we are heading for trouble. Perhaps if we stopped religious education in the schools, that might go some way towards lowering the barriers. As there's nothing like kids for sorting things out amongst themselves, without parental or State interference. They are more adept at finding some happy medium and rub along together. The younger they get mixed up, the better. As for emigration, this assumes that the place we're intending to go actually wants us there! By that I mean the neighbours, not what some politician says. There is a certain silliness in becoming a migrant, to get away from the migrants in your home country. The planet only has a finite amount of space to live in, after all. Can't wait for the news reports of sink estates of igloos, can you? We've changed the laws in this country so much to accommodate so many differing and diverse cultures that those who wrote Magna Carta wouldn't recognise the place. Even down to the Sikh's being excused helmets! With all this giving there obviously has to be some leeway given by the other party, so as to meet halfway. We don't mind if you trade in goods that are forbidden in your culture, just don't break the rules to make another penny or two. Nor think that, because you are taught something in a religion that excuses you from the law, as some of are aware that there are bits of the same teaching that tell you, in no uncertain terms, to respect them in the land that you find yourself in. We even tolerate, with a spoken agreement, that you can run anti-government groups that speak out against the one in the land of your forefathers, within our borders and we will even go so far as to raise your concerns with them when they visit here. Over the centuries, these island have seen many peoples come to these shores and we've managed to find some commonality between us and I don't see why, in this day and age, we cannot find it now. After all, it won't be too long before we are all complaining about the numbers of Chinese coming here, once they open up their borders. As for the comment regarding what Enoch Powell said, it never has nor ever will come to reality his portent of doom. The riots in both Brixton and Toxteth exposed that lie, where races rioted together in common cause against the State. I may not like what you say but I will defend unto death your right to say it. (Voltaire) woolywords

4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo

rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have! Lawlesschat

5:03pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe! Lawlesschat

5:08pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Terantino wrote:
They must have cruising for underage girls nonce but became frustrated and took it out on this young lad. Scum .
Spoken like a pro ... You Nonse!
[quote][p][bold]Terantino[/bold] wrote: They must have cruising for underage girls nonce but became frustrated and took it out on this young lad. Scum .[/p][/quote]Spoken like a pro ... You Nonse! Lawlesschat

5:12pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

darwen123 wrote:
why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!!
Why would the News ever report a one on one fight?

From my understanding when it's the reverse its the norm for a group of whites on one Asian!!

I could find you tens if not hundreds of cases confirming this !! How many can you find? Lets talk facts not assumptions!!
[quote][p][bold]darwen123[/bold] wrote: why does it always seem to be groups attacking a lone victim? they might feel big after it but as soon as they get caught people will just know them as cowards. I have never heard of a single Asian person assault anyone (except maybe women) is it a culture thing? I call it cowardice!![/p][/quote]Why would the News ever report a one on one fight? From my understanding when it's the reverse its the norm for a group of whites on one Asian!! I could find you tens if not hundreds of cases confirming this !! How many can you find? Lets talk facts not assumptions!! Lawlesschat

5:14pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Gammon Flap says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo


rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
' If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.'

Really? How many Asian people do you see that haven't even bothered to learn the English language?

An interesting fact is that Blackburn and Darwen council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims.

A mnority of the Asian communicty are constantly fiddling the system, what happens is that an Asian family will arrange for their boy/girl to marry a Pakistan-based girl/boy - this happens and then low and behold their mother, father, sisters, brothers and elderly grandparents all feel the need to relocate to the UK to receive benefits and free NHS care etc.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]' If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.' Really? How many Asian people do you see that haven't even bothered to learn the English language? An interesting fact is that Blackburn and Darwen council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims. A mnority of the Asian communicty are constantly fiddling the system, what happens is that an Asian family will arrange for their boy/girl to marry a Pakistan-based girl/boy - this happens and then low and behold their mother, father, sisters, brothers and elderly grandparents all feel the need to relocate to the UK to receive benefits and free NHS care etc. Gammon Flap

5:16pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
crankitup wrote:
the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give
This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968.
Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man." Powell went on:


Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.

Did we listen?
and powell's comments were a total disgrace - incidentally he was talking about the BLACK man - not the BROWN man. that did not feature in his thinking.

and who says the bloke who was saying it was decent - is it decent to discriminate on the basis of any colour black, brown, yellow, white, polka dot? judge everybody on themselves not some stupid racial profiling.....i see the modern day powell nick griffin was up to his usual tricks at the weekend calling mandela a murdering terrorist.

perhaps you should move over to serbia they like chucking bananas a black english footballers - you should really get a grip on yourself.

incidentally this blokes family that would be moving overseas - did he not realise they would be the same despised immigrants in another country that he was moaning about on the streets of wolverhampton.
Well well HH
Lets take your aggressive comments one by one, my post was about something an MP said 40 plus years ago, a man I neither liked nor disliked but all of a sudden I am the next Nick Griffin, says it all really, say something that folk don't like and your racist.
Is the gentleman decent you ask I don't know but you obviously have made your mind up that he was not, why if this is how he felt then that's how he felt or maybe he was Nick Griffins Uncle!
You are obviously some one who thinks he is always right and to prove it you bring in "banana chucking" and racial profiling, I am sorry if my post/quote upset you but it's just a post and it's one I am entitled to do.
I am neither racist or some one who discriminates much to your annoyance no doubt.
Have a nice day.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the police are worried...FACT, with muslim extremist cutting the heads of our soldiers and bombing buses and trains and now this.....things are getting worse and as for the inspector saying this is a one off....WRONG inspector and you know it, its been going on for years...the white lad kicked to death in queens park, the white lad with learning difficulties beaten and mugged in witton park.....something has to give[/p][/quote]This is part of the so called "River of Blood" speach made Enoch Powel MBE MP for Wolverhampton South West in 1968. Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the !!!!! man will have the whip hand over the !!!!! man."[5] Powell went on: Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.[5] Did we listen?[/p][/quote]and powell's comments were a total disgrace - incidentally he was talking about the BLACK man - not the BROWN man. that did not feature in his thinking. and who says the bloke who was saying it was decent - is it decent to discriminate on the basis of any colour black, brown, yellow, white, polka dot? judge everybody on themselves not some stupid racial profiling.....i see the modern day powell nick griffin was up to his usual tricks at the weekend calling mandela a murdering terrorist. perhaps you should move over to serbia they like chucking bananas a black english footballers - you should really get a grip on yourself. incidentally this blokes family that would be moving overseas - did he not realise they would be the same despised immigrants in another country that he was moaning about on the streets of wolverhampton.[/p][/quote]Well well HH Lets take your aggressive comments one by one, my post was about something an MP said 40 plus years ago, a man I neither liked nor disliked but all of a sudden I am the next Nick Griffin, says it all really, say something that folk don't like and your racist. Is the gentleman decent you ask I don't know but you obviously have made your mind up that he was not, why if this is how he felt then that's how he felt or maybe he was Nick Griffins Uncle! You are obviously some one who thinks he is always right and to prove it you bring in "banana chucking" and racial profiling, I am sorry if my post/quote upset you but it's just a post and it's one I am entitled to do. I am neither racist or some one who discriminates much to your annoyance no doubt. Have a nice day. Lancs - pensioner

5:23pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo

rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
For goodness sake!!! What has Islam got to do with anything about hostile young men in this country? I'm referring to the teenagers, on street corners!!

How safe would it be for a non white to walk around Mill Hill, Higher Croft and such likes!! It's the opposite side of the same coin! Can't you grasp this?
How can you say that this has anything to do with Islam?!

If young men are hanging around on street corners, smoking illicit drugs and or drinking then this is entirely everything to do with street cred, the media and a desire to be something when disenfranchised from society either because of poverish upbringing or a feeling of isolation from mainstream society!!! This exists in all ethnic communities, irrespective of religion or cultural background!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]For goodness sake!!! What has Islam got to do with anything about hostile young men in this country? I'm referring to the teenagers, on street corners!! How safe would it be for a non white to walk around Mill Hill, Higher Croft and such likes!! It's the opposite side of the same coin! Can't you grasp this? How can you say that this has anything to do with Islam?! If young men are hanging around on street corners, smoking illicit drugs and or drinking then this is entirely everything to do with street cred, the media and a desire to be something when disenfranchised from society either because of poverish upbringing or a feeling of isolation from mainstream society!!! This exists in all ethnic communities, irrespective of religion or cultural background! Lawlesschat

6:45pm Mon 10 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo


rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated. jack daniels

7:23pm Mon 10 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

Don't let the thugs rule our streets,it's not about racism. Gang of youths white,Asians or blacks beats up a innocent man or woman on street and mug them.
A young white man shot dead a young Indian University student was this racism ?
This teenager in Blackburn was beaten up by group of young Asian lads while walking on his way home ,was this racism ?
Stephen Lawrence a young bright black boy was murdered by group of young white lads in London,was this racism ?. His perpetrators walked free until 20 years later two of the perpetrators were convicted.
A young white man was murdered by group of young Asian lads in Queen's Park ,was this racism ?
A young Asian student was murdered at a train station by group of young white lads,was this racism ? . Two white policewomen were shot dead in Manchester by young whiteman, was this racism ?.
Thugs come in all colours white,black and Asian.They are violent young men just enjoy beating someone up and sometime like mugging people.
We live in a gang culture in many of our town and cities in UK.Gang today have knives and guns, our police force are dealing with dangerous gangs ,this is today's UK where gang culture is rife .
Don't let the thugs rule our streets,it's not about racism. Gang of youths white,Asians or blacks beats up a innocent man or woman on street and mug them. A young white man shot dead a young Indian University student was this racism ? This teenager in Blackburn was beaten up by group of young Asian lads while walking on his way home ,was this racism ? Stephen Lawrence a young bright black boy was murdered by group of young white lads in London,was this racism ?. His perpetrators walked free until 20 years later two of the perpetrators were convicted. A young white man was murdered by group of young Asian lads in Queen's Park ,was this racism ? A young Asian student was murdered at a train station by group of young white lads,was this racism ? . Two white policewomen were shot dead in Manchester by young whiteman, was this racism ?. Thugs come in all colours white,black and Asian.They are violent young men just enjoy beating someone up and sometime like mugging people. We live in a gang culture in many of our town and cities in UK.Gang today have knives and guns, our police force are dealing with dangerous gangs ,this is today's UK where gang culture is rife . M.DANNY

7:44pm Mon 10 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

Gammon Flap wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo



rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
' If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.'

Really? How many Asian people do you see that haven't even bothered to learn the English language?

An interesting fact is that Blackburn and Darwen council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims.

A mnority of the Asian communicty are constantly fiddling the system, what happens is that an Asian family will arrange for their boy/girl to marry a Pakistan-based girl/boy - this happens and then low and behold their mother, father, sisters, brothers and elderly grandparents all feel the need to relocate to the UK to receive benefits and free NHS care etc.
''an interesting fact is that B & D council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims''

Are you certain it wasn't for immigrants from Eastern Europe?
[quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]' If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.' Really? How many Asian people do you see that haven't even bothered to learn the English language? An interesting fact is that Blackburn and Darwen council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims. A mnority of the Asian communicty are constantly fiddling the system, what happens is that an Asian family will arrange for their boy/girl to marry a Pakistan-based girl/boy - this happens and then low and behold their mother, father, sisters, brothers and elderly grandparents all feel the need to relocate to the UK to receive benefits and free NHS care etc.[/p][/quote]''an interesting fact is that B & D council paid over £30k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims'' Are you certain it wasn't for immigrants from Eastern Europe? sen c b l

7:56pm Mon 10 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

The world's largest English speaking nation is India . With a population of over 1.2 Billion India has most English speaking people.Once ruled by the British for two centuries and since then Indians adopted English Language as the main language of India along with Hindi.
BWD council paid over £30 k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims ?
These were Asian interpretors helping all illiterates ,whites,Asians,Black
s and Eastern Europeans.
The world's largest English speaking nation is India . With a population of over 1.2 Billion India has most English speaking people.Once ruled by the British for two centuries and since then Indians adopted English Language as the main language of India along with Hindi. BWD council paid over £30 k last year for interpreters for Asian people to have help filling in their benefit claims ? These were Asian interpretors helping all illiterates ,whites,Asians,Black s and Eastern Europeans. M.DANNY

7:59pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo



rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
http://www.independe
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e-news/two-british-s
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-afghan-citizens-864
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Law Abiding Citizens .....

Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into. Saj143

8:04pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo




rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom

e-news/two-british-s

oldiers-admit-sexual

-and-racial-abuse-of

-afghan-citizens-864

3913.html

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/world/

americas/american-so

ldier-robert-bales-a

dmits-murdering-16-a

fghans-to-avoid-deat

h-penalty-8646393.ht

ml

Law Abiding Citizens .....

Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
And before you say it.....an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.[/p][/quote]And before you say it.....an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Saj143

8:05pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Reality50 says...

I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society.
I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society. Reality50

8:17pm Mon 10 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo




rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
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Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.[/p][/quote]I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer jack daniels

8:23pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo



rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life!
It's a clear state of paranoia on your part!
If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!!

Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not!

It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life! It's a clear state of paranoia on your part! If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!! Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not! It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!! Lawlesschat

8:42pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!! Lawlesschat

8:46pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

jack daniels wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo





rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom


e-news/two-british-s


oldiers-admit-sexual


-and-racial-abuse-of


-afghan-citizens-864


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Law Abiding Citizens .....

Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer
No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@.

The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist.

Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.[/p][/quote]I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer[/p][/quote]No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@. The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist. Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases. Saj143

8:50pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo






rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
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Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer
No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@.

The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist.

Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases.
See jack how much of a hornet nest you stir up when you use "edl" phrases.

I was posting the other comment and wham....each one reflecting what I was posting.
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.[/p][/quote]I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer[/p][/quote]No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@. The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist. Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases.[/p][/quote]See jack how much of a hornet nest you stir up when you use "edl" phrases. I was posting the other comment and wham....each one reflecting what I was posting. Saj143

9:30pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

Reality50 wrote:
I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society.
Shhh....Magrib Time. Time for prayers . Then again am I naive in thinking its not regarded as prayer as it does not conform to your view on how to pray or worship....commie...
..lmfao
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society.[/p][/quote]Shhh....Magrib Time. Time for prayers . Then again am I naive in thinking its not regarded as prayer as it does not conform to your view on how to pray or worship....commie... ..lmfao Saj143

9:36pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo




rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life!
It's a clear state of paranoia on your part!
If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!!

Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not!

It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!!
EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum.
Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views.
Where will it all end?
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life! It's a clear state of paranoia on your part! If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!! Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not! It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!![/p][/quote]EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum. Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views. Where will it all end? Lancs - pensioner

9:55pm Mon 10 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

Reality50 wrote:
I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society.
Go swallow your urine you stupid unwashed dirt bag. You've just confirmed you know 5hitall between the difference of a Sikh and a Muslim. Why else did one low life yank turd, like yourself killed a Sikh assuming he was a Muslim? Heh idiot tell me. Why did Laden wear a turban???
As always it has to be clever 'krs like you who think they have all the answers to all race issues when infact what you excrete out of your gob is what you hear and led to believe from media 8ull that you worship. You really need to get out and make friends and I mean Muslim friends but your arrogance is one result as to why segregation exists and for your information I ain't no left wing, further confirming how muddled up twit you really are.
The reality is Muslims will not regard their religion as prehistoric and neither do they accept it is out of date but will argue that it can't be modernised and neither can it be modernised into the 21st century.
Closer to home it is your type who 4kd off when Asians moved in and I hold tmats like you fully responsible for creating divisions and your underestimating their progress that is resulting in your 5hit type accusing and criticising anything Asians do.
So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense.

For you there's Stuart Hall and Saville that you would compliment as I see no condemnation from any reader post on this page. 'kin' low lifers
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I am well aware the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh and even a Hindu in reply to the arrogant left wing buffoon who said I don't earlier.Sikhs often wear Turbans for a start and Muslims do not. Everything a Muslim does and says is incorporated by Islam. Islam is far more a way of life to a Muslim than say Catholicism is to a Catholic for eg. Ask any Muslim what they are as to identity? go on i dare you!!! They won't say Pakistani or British or even Asian,they ALWAYS say Muslim. Nationality is secondary to them and almost irrelevant. Their religion is what matters and in my view Islam has no place in a modern civilised country. You cannot bring a culture stuck in the 7th century into a 21st century country based on equality for all.Arranged marriages,the burka,honour killing,marrying of cousins,sharia law etc etc it has no place here and to naively think that by being patient that Islamists will blend in society and fit in with everyone is laughable. Look at the history of Islam throughout time? It has never compromised and never ever will. Communists and the do gooder liberal brigade live in cuckoo land if they think Islam can assimilate with wider Western society.[/p][/quote]Go swallow your urine you stupid unwashed dirt bag. You've just confirmed you know 5hitall between the difference of a Sikh and a Muslim. Why else did one low life yank turd, like yourself killed a Sikh assuming he was a Muslim? Heh idiot tell me. Why did Laden wear a turban??? As always it has to be clever 'krs like you who think they have all the answers to all race issues when infact what you excrete out of your gob is what you hear and led to believe from media 8ull that you worship. You really need to get out and make friends and I mean Muslim friends but your arrogance is one result as to why segregation exists and for your information I ain't no left wing, further confirming how muddled up twit you really are. The reality is Muslims will not regard their religion as prehistoric and neither do they accept it is out of date but will argue that it can't be modernised and neither can it be modernised into the 21st century. Closer to home it is your type who 4kd off when Asians moved in and I hold tmats like you fully responsible for creating divisions and your underestimating their progress that is resulting in your 5hit type accusing and criticising anything Asians do. So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense. For you there's Stuart Hall and Saville that you would compliment as I see no condemnation from any reader post on this page. 'kin' low lifers sen c b l

10:04pm Mon 10 Jun 13

woolywords says...

@lawlesschat
Oh enough of you, you are not fooling anyone with your posturing and bravado, as if you are some border guard in Wagah, Pakistan. Your very name espouses your position in any discussion, you won't abide by the rules, will you?
If as you suggest, Muslims are not out to change my life, why can't I get ham in a ham and pineapple pizza in this town?
Why do certain people within your cult want Sharia courts in a country that has one of the best legal systems in the World, used as a model in more countries than where Sharia is established. And seek the setting up of a Caliphate, when everytime one has been established, it's led to war, tyranny and eventual collapse from in-fighting?
Why don't you bleat out that other garbage that is normally bandied about, that Islam is peaceful, so that I can ask, where?
Why would anyone that is going to a meeting, wish to be encumbered with armour or weapons, to talk? It really doesn't sound as though this is going to be a meeting of minds, does it?
Just so that you know that I'm not like the many, I am rather unique, I have read, under instructions from a person within a mosque, both Quran and all 9 volumes of Hadith ul Buqhari. This gives me a rather unique insight into the mindset that you are displaying.
Firstly, Islam is a cult by virtue of the fact that is places the worship of a man above that of a deity and many a scholar around the World will define it that way except in Islam, of course.
You will tell me that you respect the prophets of the old testament but are unable to point to anywhere in your stack of theological books a simple repetition of the laws of Moses that is verbatim to that which is written 15 times in the old, and 7 times in the new testament in a simple list for all to understand. Similarly, where those same laws state, thou shall not bear false witness, the opposite is found in Quran, namely, Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth). So anything that you say has to be weighted against these two things. Whilst one is for when you are under duress and in fear of your life, the same cannot be said of the second part. So that lying everyday is quite acceptable in Islam.
Where Quran forbids the consumption of alcohol, the Hadith goes further, and makes the production, dealing and sale of it, Haram. Don't see anyone protesting outside a brothers shop, nor people refusing to work in the supermarket because it does the forbidden things, do you?
Am sure you have seen the articles on where Angela Merkel told Germans to obey the law and not Sharia, why would anyone need to be repeating, what is written in Quran, to people who spent years reading and studying it, have they forgotten Surah al-Baqarah:100 that tells you to keep your oath?
Why is it that you find it impossible to allow your womenfolk to go to a polling booth and cast their own vote? Is it because you consider that they only have half a brain, as stated in Sahih Buqhari 1:6:301 or that you know better than them?
It is truly odd, while on the subject of women, that you will protest the day long about rights of anyone, apart from the woman that bears and rears your children, cleans your home, cooks your meals and does your bidding without demur, yet don't allow them in the many mosques that you have built around this town. If I were to plan a gentleman only club, the cries of protest, would be heard into the very heart of the hills from my own folk. Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?
To be honest, if I were you, I'd follow that old adage, people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
@lawlesschat Oh enough of you, you are not fooling anyone with your posturing and bravado, as if you are some border guard in Wagah, Pakistan. Your very name espouses your position in any discussion, you won't abide by the rules, will you? If as you suggest, Muslims are not out to change my life, why can't I get ham in a ham and pineapple pizza in this town? Why do certain people within your cult want Sharia courts in a country that has one of the best legal systems in the World, used as a model in more countries than where Sharia is established. And seek the setting up of a Caliphate, when everytime one has been established, it's led to war, tyranny and eventual collapse from in-fighting? Why don't you bleat out that other garbage that is normally bandied about, that Islam is peaceful, so that I can ask, where? Why would anyone that is going to a meeting, wish to be encumbered with armour or weapons, to talk? It really doesn't sound as though this is going to be a meeting of minds, does it? Just so that you know that I'm not like the many, I am rather unique, I have read, under instructions from a person within a mosque, both Quran and all 9 volumes of Hadith ul Buqhari. This gives me a rather unique insight into the mindset that you are displaying. Firstly, Islam is a cult by virtue of the fact that is places the worship of a man above that of a deity and many a scholar around the World will define it that way except in Islam, of course. You will tell me that you respect the prophets of the old testament but are unable to point to anywhere in your stack of theological books a simple repetition of the laws of Moses that is verbatim to that which is written 15 times in the old, and 7 times in the new testament in a simple list for all to understand. Similarly, where those same laws state, thou shall not bear false witness, the opposite is found in Quran, namely, Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth). So anything that you say has to be weighted against these two things. Whilst one is for when you are under duress and in fear of your life, the same cannot be said of the second part. So that lying everyday is quite acceptable in Islam. Where Quran forbids the consumption of alcohol, the Hadith goes further, and makes the production, dealing and sale of it, Haram. Don't see anyone protesting outside a brothers shop, nor people refusing to work in the supermarket because it does the forbidden things, do you? Am sure you have seen the articles on where Angela Merkel told Germans to obey the law and not Sharia, why would anyone need to be repeating, what is written in Quran, to people who spent years reading and studying it, have they forgotten Surah al-Baqarah:100 that tells you to keep your oath? Why is it that you find it impossible to allow your womenfolk to go to a polling booth and cast their own vote? Is it because you consider that they only have half a brain, as stated in Sahih Buqhari 1:6:301 or that you know better than them? It is truly odd, while on the subject of women, that you will protest the day long about rights of anyone, apart from the woman that bears and rears your children, cleans your home, cooks your meals and does your bidding without demur, yet don't allow them in the many mosques that you have built around this town. If I were to plan a gentleman only club, the cries of protest, would be heard into the very heart of the hills from my own folk. Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they? To be honest, if I were you, I'd follow that old adage, people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. woolywords

10:21pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense".

A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.
Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense". A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim. Rimbus

10:56pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo





rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life!
It's a clear state of paranoia on your part!
If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!!

Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not!

It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!!
EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum.
Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views.
Where will it all end?
Lancs,
One must apply context to each point you refer to!

Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash!

The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous!

The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary.

Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of.

Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases!
Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting!
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life! It's a clear state of paranoia on your part! If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!! Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not! It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!![/p][/quote]EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum. Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views. Where will it all end?[/p][/quote]Lancs, One must apply context to each point you refer to! Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash! The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous! The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary. Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of. Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases! Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting! Lawlesschat

11:03pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Rimbus wrote:
Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense".

A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.
Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about?

Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake!
It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India!
India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables'

You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back!
[quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense". A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.[/p][/quote]Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about? Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake! It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India! India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables' You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back! Lawlesschat

11:04pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

sen c b l said
"Maybe you would help me on this one. It was definately in the 70's and not the 50's or the 60's. They were pinky white in skin colour and some had funny hair do sticking out of their scalp and they use to come in large groups shouting and screaming pelting shop fronts with bricks and stones".

Sounds like the perp was Ken Dodd and his Diddymen! Tatifilarious, LOL!
sen c b l said "Maybe you would help me on this one. It was definately in the 70's and not the 50's or the 60's. They were pinky white in skin colour and some had funny hair do sticking out of their scalp and they use to come in large groups shouting and screaming pelting shop fronts with bricks and stones". Sounds like the perp was Ken Dodd and his Diddymen! Tatifilarious, LOL! Rimbus

11:10pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Reality50 says...

There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan
,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som
alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!.
There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan ,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!. Reality50

11:10pm Mon 10 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo






rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
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Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.
I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer
No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@.

The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist.

Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases.
At the moment I'm waiting for your comment about lawlesschat calling the society you live in primitive yet it's failed to materialise! Is this because you yourself have underlying xenophobic tendencies? So much so that you refuse to be evenhanded and criticise a Muslim brother?

As for the primitive medieval traditions. It's the 21st century (unless you use the Islamic calendar) yet North west Pakistan isbeing oppressed by ever restrictive Islamic and traditional governance and you seem to have the gall to say I'm being racist! You'll be telling me next that arranged marriage between pakistan/India/UK doesn't exist
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/two-british-s oldiers-admit-sexual -and-racial-abuse-of -afghan-citizens-864 3913.html http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ americas/american-so ldier-robert-bales-a dmits-murdering-16-a fghans-to-avoid-deat h-penalty-8646393.ht ml Law Abiding Citizens ..... Playground mentality of mines bigger than yours this debate has degenerated into.[/p][/quote]I agree. I was responding to someone the same as you responded to me. I can easily retort with 1000 Iraqis where killed last month in Iraq through sectarian fighting but the one thing I'vealways said is it's bad people that do bad things. My actual point was about the other numpty complaining about the society he lives in which I'm sure you'll agree is a bit dim. Even the Turks are starting to protest against the restrictive Islamic lifestyle choice and wish to retain their secular freedoms - some of which include football, bars and beer[/p][/quote]No....you use the phrase primitive medieval traditions. You ave used the same phrase in numerous phrases....would you like me to remind you how primitive the Christians were before ....who gives a @@@@. The tone of what you pet even though I like to give you the benefit of the doubt is tinged with the language , sentiment of an out and out racist. Yes argue a point ....but please careful with the emotive phrases.[/p][/quote]At the moment I'm waiting for your comment about lawlesschat calling the society you live in primitive yet it's failed to materialise! Is this because you yourself have underlying xenophobic tendencies? So much so that you refuse to be evenhanded and criticise a Muslim brother? As for the primitive medieval traditions. It's the 21st century (unless you use the Islamic calendar) yet North west Pakistan isbeing oppressed by ever restrictive Islamic and traditional governance and you seem to have the gall to say I'm being racist! You'll be telling me next that arranged marriage between pakistan/India/UK doesn't exist jack daniels

11:15pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

woolywords wrote:
@lawlesschat
Oh enough of you, you are not fooling anyone with your posturing and bravado, as if you are some border guard in Wagah, Pakistan. Your very name espouses your position in any discussion, you won't abide by the rules, will you?
If as you suggest, Muslims are not out to change my life, why can't I get ham in a ham and pineapple pizza in this town?
Why do certain people within your cult want Sharia courts in a country that has one of the best legal systems in the World, used as a model in more countries than where Sharia is established. And seek the setting up of a Caliphate, when everytime one has been established, it's led to war, tyranny and eventual collapse from in-fighting?
Why don't you bleat out that other garbage that is normally bandied about, that Islam is peaceful, so that I can ask, where?
Why would anyone that is going to a meeting, wish to be encumbered with armour or weapons, to talk? It really doesn't sound as though this is going to be a meeting of minds, does it?
Just so that you know that I'm not like the many, I am rather unique, I have read, under instructions from a person within a mosque, both Quran and all 9 volumes of Hadith ul Buqhari. This gives me a rather unique insight into the mindset that you are displaying.
Firstly, Islam is a cult by virtue of the fact that is places the worship of a man above that of a deity and many a scholar around the World will define it that way except in Islam, of course.
You will tell me that you respect the prophets of the old testament but are unable to point to anywhere in your stack of theological books a simple repetition of the laws of Moses that is verbatim to that which is written 15 times in the old, and 7 times in the new testament in a simple list for all to understand. Similarly, where those same laws state, thou shall not bear false witness, the opposite is found in Quran, namely, Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth). So anything that you say has to be weighted against these two things. Whilst one is for when you are under duress and in fear of your life, the same cannot be said of the second part. So that lying everyday is quite acceptable in Islam.
Where Quran forbids the consumption of alcohol, the Hadith goes further, and makes the production, dealing and sale of it, Haram. Don't see anyone protesting outside a brothers shop, nor people refusing to work in the supermarket because it does the forbidden things, do you?
Am sure you have seen the articles on where Angela Merkel told Germans to obey the law and not Sharia, why would anyone need to be repeating, what is written in Quran, to people who spent years reading and studying it, have they forgotten Surah al-Baqarah:100 that tells you to keep your oath?
Why is it that you find it impossible to allow your womenfolk to go to a polling booth and cast their own vote? Is it because you consider that they only have half a brain, as stated in Sahih Buqhari 1:6:301 or that you know better than them?
It is truly odd, while on the subject of women, that you will protest the day long about rights of anyone, apart from the woman that bears and rears your children, cleans your home, cooks your meals and does your bidding without demur, yet don't allow them in the many mosques that you have built around this town. If I were to plan a gentleman only club, the cries of protest, would be heard into the very heart of the hills from my own folk. Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?
To be honest, if I were you, I'd follow that old adage, people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
Sshhh!!

You've a gripe about pizza toppings? Ill help you;

Why can't you get a Ham and pineapple pizza in Blackburn? Dominoes, Pizza Hut and I'm sure there's many many more! You don't have to buy from Darwen Street!

I've read the remainder of your previous garbage (being the politest means of describing it) and conclude! No you have read the Koran, no you haven't read the hadiths and no you are not unique!

What you have done is taken quote's from anti Islamic website, probably one somehow affiliated with Christian evangelist linkage and copied them to base an arguement, all of which may I add simply, is full of inaccuracies and lies!



So may I add, that you are not fooling anyone with YOUR posturing and bravado!!

I am the wrong person to try and convince through fancy words and third hand quotation upon quotations!
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: @lawlesschat Oh enough of you, you are not fooling anyone with your posturing and bravado, as if you are some border guard in Wagah, Pakistan. Your very name espouses your position in any discussion, you won't abide by the rules, will you? If as you suggest, Muslims are not out to change my life, why can't I get ham in a ham and pineapple pizza in this town? Why do certain people within your cult want Sharia courts in a country that has one of the best legal systems in the World, used as a model in more countries than where Sharia is established. And seek the setting up of a Caliphate, when everytime one has been established, it's led to war, tyranny and eventual collapse from in-fighting? Why don't you bleat out that other garbage that is normally bandied about, that Islam is peaceful, so that I can ask, where? Why would anyone that is going to a meeting, wish to be encumbered with armour or weapons, to talk? It really doesn't sound as though this is going to be a meeting of minds, does it? Just so that you know that I'm not like the many, I am rather unique, I have read, under instructions from a person within a mosque, both Quran and all 9 volumes of Hadith ul Buqhari. This gives me a rather unique insight into the mindset that you are displaying. Firstly, Islam is a cult by virtue of the fact that is places the worship of a man above that of a deity and many a scholar around the World will define it that way except in Islam, of course. You will tell me that you respect the prophets of the old testament but are unable to point to anywhere in your stack of theological books a simple repetition of the laws of Moses that is verbatim to that which is written 15 times in the old, and 7 times in the new testament in a simple list for all to understand. Similarly, where those same laws state, thou shall not bear false witness, the opposite is found in Quran, namely, Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth). So anything that you say has to be weighted against these two things. Whilst one is for when you are under duress and in fear of your life, the same cannot be said of the second part. So that lying everyday is quite acceptable in Islam. Where Quran forbids the consumption of alcohol, the Hadith goes further, and makes the production, dealing and sale of it, Haram. Don't see anyone protesting outside a brothers shop, nor people refusing to work in the supermarket because it does the forbidden things, do you? Am sure you have seen the articles on where Angela Merkel told Germans to obey the law and not Sharia, why would anyone need to be repeating, what is written in Quran, to people who spent years reading and studying it, have they forgotten Surah al-Baqarah:100 that tells you to keep your oath? Why is it that you find it impossible to allow your womenfolk to go to a polling booth and cast their own vote? Is it because you consider that they only have half a brain, as stated in Sahih Buqhari 1:6:301 or that you know better than them? It is truly odd, while on the subject of women, that you will protest the day long about rights of anyone, apart from the woman that bears and rears your children, cleans your home, cooks your meals and does your bidding without demur, yet don't allow them in the many mosques that you have built around this town. If I were to plan a gentleman only club, the cries of protest, would be heard into the very heart of the hills from my own folk. Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they? To be honest, if I were you, I'd follow that old adage, people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.[/p][/quote]Sshhh!! You've a gripe about pizza toppings? Ill help you; Why can't you get a Ham and pineapple pizza in Blackburn? Dominoes, Pizza Hut and I'm sure there's many many more! You don't have to buy from Darwen Street! I've read the remainder of your previous garbage (being the politest means of describing it) and conclude! No you have read the Koran, no you haven't read the hadiths and no you are not unique! What you have done is taken quote's from anti Islamic website, probably one somehow affiliated with Christian evangelist linkage and copied them to base an arguement, all of which may I add simply, is full of inaccuracies and lies! So may I add, that you are not fooling anyone with YOUR posturing and bravado!! I am the wrong person to try and convince through fancy words and third hand quotation upon quotations! Lawlesschat

11:24pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Must ask ...
Quote

"Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?"

What is it you mean exactly? Do you know me personally and have I said anything supposing women's rights?

See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim!
I maybe I maybe not, but for you too make the assumption based on my posts is somewhat a poor testament of your own character!
And, erm .. Are you suggesting that Muslim women in this country are suppressed?
One thing I do know as fact is that Islam shows no room for subdugation of anyone! So you Sir, are out of touch with your googling of anti Islamic readings!!

As you were now ....
Must ask ... Quote "Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?" What is it you mean exactly? Do you know me personally and have I said anything supposing women's rights? See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim! I maybe I maybe not, but for you too make the assumption based on my posts is somewhat a poor testament of your own character! And, erm .. Are you suggesting that Muslim women in this country are suppressed? One thing I do know as fact is that Islam shows no room for subdugation of anyone! So you Sir, are out of touch with your googling of anti Islamic readings!! As you were now .... Lawlesschat

11:25pm Mon 10 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it. jack daniels

11:28pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Rimbus wrote:
Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense".

A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.
Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about?

Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake!
It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India!
India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables'

You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back!
I'm back!

Yes, and such appalling practices were only put a stop to when the British established their influence in India, the believers in such practices were effectively civilised by their Rulers. There are many examples of similarly shocking an inhuman treatment that were and still are advocated by hard-line supporters of shariah law, i.e. amputations for theft, stoning to death of adultresses (not adulterers), hanging of homosexuals, I could go on. And as you raised the issue, in certain communities there has been much coverage of the selective aborting of foetuses based purely on the sex of the unborn child, much akin to a business decision based on the potential financial value to the parents of the unborn child.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense". A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.[/p][/quote]Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about? Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake! It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India! India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables' You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back![/p][/quote]I'm back! Yes, and such appalling practices were only put a stop to when the British established their influence in India, the believers in such practices were effectively civilised by their Rulers. There are many examples of similarly shocking an inhuman treatment that were and still are advocated by hard-line supporters of shariah law, i.e. amputations for theft, stoning to death of adultresses (not adulterers), hanging of homosexuals, I could go on. And as you raised the issue, in certain communities there has been much coverage of the selective aborting of foetuses based purely on the sex of the unborn child, much akin to a business decision based on the potential financial value to the parents of the unborn child. Rimbus

11:46pm Mon 10 Jun 13

hasslem hasslem says...

my favourite ghandi quote

interviewer "what do you think about western civilization"

ghandi "it would be a good idea"
my favourite ghandi quote interviewer "what do you think about western civilization" ghandi "it would be a good idea" hasslem hasslem

11:51pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my favourite ghandi quote

interviewer "what do you think about western civilization"

ghandi "it would be a good idea"
My favourite Bernard Manning quote .............
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: my favourite ghandi quote interviewer "what do you think about western civilization" ghandi "it would be a good idea"[/p][/quote]My favourite Bernard Manning quote ............. Rimbus

11:56pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Rimbus says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Must ask ...
Quote

"Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?"

What is it you mean exactly? Do you know me personally and have I said anything supposing women's rights?

See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim!
I maybe I maybe not, but for you too make the assumption based on my posts is somewhat a poor testament of your own character!
And, erm .. Are you suggesting that Muslim women in this country are suppressed?
One thing I do know as fact is that Islam shows no room for subdugation of anyone! So you Sir, are out of touch with your googling of anti Islamic readings!!

As you were now ....
"See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim! "

I made the assumption that you are a moron!
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Must ask ... Quote "Emancipation and Suffrage don't seem to figure high on your agenda of things to change, if they appear at all, do they?" What is it you mean exactly? Do you know me personally and have I said anything supposing women's rights? See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim! I maybe I maybe not, but for you too make the assumption based on my posts is somewhat a poor testament of your own character! And, erm .. Are you suggesting that Muslim women in this country are suppressed? One thing I do know as fact is that Islam shows no room for subdugation of anyone! So you Sir, are out of touch with your googling of anti Islamic readings!! As you were now ....[/p][/quote]"See, you've made an assumption that I am Muslim! " I made the assumption that you are a moron! Rimbus

12:51am Tue 11 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure.

You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips Saj143

12:57am Tue 11 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure.

You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst.
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst. Saj143

5:40am Tue 11 Jun 13

doggydog says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo!
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe![/p][/quote]Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo! doggydog

6:48am Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Saj143 wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure.

You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst.
Curious to why you need to respond to a comment I posted to lawless when you've yet to respond to your own failings. You seem to find it easier to create a persona for me (see above) which makes you think you are -

A, A humorous writer (which you ain't)

B, conducting a mature debate.


I suggest you stick to the facts of the matter - unless of course you don't like what you are finding
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst.[/p][/quote]Curious to why you need to respond to a comment I posted to lawless when you've yet to respond to your own failings. You seem to find it easier to create a persona for me (see above) which makes you think you are - A, A humorous writer (which you ain't) B, conducting a mature debate. I suggest you stick to the facts of the matter - unless of course you don't like what you are finding jack daniels

7:02am Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my favourite ghandi quote

interviewer "what do you think about western civilization"

ghandi "it would be a good idea"
Saying he was fighting against British colonial rule, we can safely say the chap is somewhat biased!

Of course we also need to remember that this may have been before we had free health care at the point of access (the NHS), free housing, an integrated welfare system, a children's act, employment health and safety act, equality laws (that means NOT jailing peoplefor being homosexual) but to name but a few. Compared to any Islamic country its a cultural oasis!
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: my favourite ghandi quote interviewer "what do you think about western civilization" ghandi "it would be a good idea"[/p][/quote]Saying he was fighting against British colonial rule, we can safely say the chap is somewhat biased! Of course we also need to remember that this may have been before we had free health care at the point of access (the NHS), free housing, an integrated welfare system, a children's act, employment health and safety act, equality laws (that means NOT jailing peoplefor being homosexual) but to name but a few. Compared to any Islamic country its a cultural oasis! jack daniels

7:14am Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

doggydog wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo!
Indeed he does!


Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average.

It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even....
[quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe![/p][/quote]Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo![/p][/quote]Indeed he does! Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average. It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even.... jack daniels

7:34am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
At what point did I criticise this country??

Why do you do that, when you are not able to rationalise yourself you and others like you try and twist even the clearest of quotes to somehow make out as though you some basis for your arguement!

I am content with this country, I do not live in fear and I have no gripe with the diversity that our lives are enriched with!
You on the otherhand are extremely bitter, may I appropriately suggest that you try living in India, see how much you like it there!!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]At what point did I criticise this country?? Why do you do that, when you are not able to rationalise yourself you and others like you try and twist even the clearest of quotes to somehow make out as though you some basis for your arguement! I am content with this country, I do not live in fear and I have no gripe with the diversity that our lives are enriched with! You on the otherhand are extremely bitter, may I appropriately suggest that you try living in India, see how much you like it there!! Lawlesschat

7:41am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much.


Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure.

You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips
Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst.
Curious to why you need to respond to a comment I posted to lawless when you've yet to respond to your own failings. You seem to find it easier to create a persona for me (see above) which makes you think you are -

A, A humorous writer (which you ain't)

B, conducting a mature debate.


I suggest you stick to the facts of the matter - unless of course you don't like what you are finding
Jack you are a fool.

I don't mind Saj143 responding on my behalf.

As long as he makes you look like the Moran that you are .. Why should I complain, neither should you, you silly person!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this lories country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Jews you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In act I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white poet fence word with your homely pub etc etc......never wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips[/p][/quote]Jack I have absolute no qualms about living in this glorious country with all its diversity , a health system i can count on a police force to protect my inviduality and freedoms. God Bless England....on the other hand the Views you express and from what we know about you is that you are a native englander under siege . Sorry to say old chap gone are the days of bowing to white masters ... In fact I am more British than you. Or do I not qualify as i am Muslim and brown and not white ...maybe throw in blonde hair blue eyes for good measure. You need to move out of your area bud.....I don't think the minority of idiots that reside in your area are going anywhere...hope you find your white picket fence world with your homely pub etc etc......never , wake up and smell the curry....or is that fish and chips....or liverwurst.[/p][/quote]Curious to why you need to respond to a comment I posted to lawless when you've yet to respond to your own failings. You seem to find it easier to create a persona for me (see above) which makes you think you are - A, A humorous writer (which you ain't) B, conducting a mature debate. I suggest you stick to the facts of the matter - unless of course you don't like what you are finding[/p][/quote]Jack you are a fool. I don't mind Saj143 responding on my behalf. As long as he makes you look like the Moran that you are .. Why should I complain, neither should you, you silly person! Lawlesschat

7:43am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

doggydog wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo!
As where you are the brains of this thread with that comment?

May i suggest you go back to licking your balls dog!! Ha. If the name fits ....
[quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe![/p][/quote]Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo![/p][/quote]As where you are the brains of this thread with that comment? May i suggest you go back to licking your balls dog!! Ha. If the name fits .... Lawlesschat

7:49am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
doggydog wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo!
Indeed he does!


Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average.

It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even....
At this point I would like you to show me where you're references re the above statistics have come from!

I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also!

Chop, chop now!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe![/p][/quote]Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo![/p][/quote]Indeed he does! Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average. It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even....[/p][/quote]At this point I would like you to show me where you're references re the above statistics have come from! I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also! Chop, chop now! Lawlesschat

10:05am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo






rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life!
It's a clear state of paranoia on your part!
If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!!

Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not!

It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!!
EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum.
Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views.
Where will it all end?
Lancs,
One must apply context to each point you refer to!

Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash!

The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous!

The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary.

Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of.

Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases!
Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting!
Good points Lawless,
IMO the Muslim community does not help itself, if I saw pictures on TV showing Muslim leaders speaking out day after day (not just when someone is killed) I would
perhaps take different view, communication is the key to all problems, make use of the LT on a weekly basis inform us about there faith then we may except all Muslims are not bad, the trouble is every time I read about there faith it's usually got something bad about it.
My hidden fear from an OAPs point of view is I feel throughout the world this faith is trying to take over, why I think this I don't honestly know, perhaps it's because I only read the bad press!
I honestly wish we could all live as one but I fear this is a long way of at the moment. Here's hoping.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life! It's a clear state of paranoia on your part! If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!! Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not! It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!![/p][/quote]EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum. Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views. Where will it all end?[/p][/quote]Lancs, One must apply context to each point you refer to! Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash! The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous! The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary. Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of. Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases! Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting![/p][/quote]Good points Lawless, IMO the Muslim community does not help itself, if I saw pictures on TV showing Muslim leaders speaking out day after day (not just when someone is killed) I would perhaps take different view, communication is the key to all problems, make use of the LT on a weekly basis inform us about there faith then we may except all Muslims are not bad, the trouble is every time I read about there faith it's usually got something bad about it. My hidden fear from an OAPs point of view is I feel throughout the world this faith is trying to take over, why I think this I don't honestly know, perhaps it's because I only read the bad press! I honestly wish we could all live as one but I fear this is a long way of at the moment. Here's hoping. Lancs - pensioner

10:05am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Rimbus wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Rimbus wrote:
Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense".

A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.
Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about?

Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake!
It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India!
India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables'

You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back!
I'm back!

Yes, and such appalling practices were only put a stop to when the British established their influence in India, the believers in such practices were effectively civilised by their Rulers. There are many examples of similarly shocking an inhuman treatment that were and still are advocated by hard-line supporters of shariah law, i.e. amputations for theft, stoning to death of adultresses (not adulterers), hanging of homosexuals, I could go on. And as you raised the issue, in certain communities there has been much coverage of the selective aborting of foetuses based purely on the sex of the unborn child, much akin to a business decision based on the potential financial value to the parents of the unborn child.
Rimbus,

It would appear that you are a Hindu!

No ... You wrong and you know it too!!

British rule of India failed to stop the disgusting act of the killing of female babies at birth, it was writhe during British rule and post it also, a documentary aired in 2011 concentrated on the issue showed that this still behaviour is very much alive in some Hindu communities ... Now when you compare the word 'some' with the population of India ... 'Some' would essentially equal a lot!!

I have nothing against Hindu's, I know many who are great people! But 'stones' and 'glass houses' should be given note of!
[quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rimbus[/bold] wrote: Q. "So clever 'tmat' tell me one difference that you would easily spot between a Hindu and an Indian Muslim??? and for crying out loud don't come out with the red forehead mark nonsense". A. The Hindu would be polite, respectful of other's beliefs (and of women), hard working and well educated. The muslim would be visible from a long distance away because of the large chip on his shoulder. Also the Hindu would be much better at cricket than the muslim.[/p][/quote]Rimbus! You clearly have no idea! What are you rambling on about? Hindu's ... Women's rights?? Tell me another one! Hindu men hold women with extreme little regard, for goodness sake! It was only in the past century that they desisted in burning of women alive at the deaths of their husbands as they were seen as property, female infanticide still exists to this day in India! India is the only country which has a caste system where a collective and major part of the population are deemed dirty ... The untouchables' You make me laugh, go and do your homework and once you have .... Don't bother coming back![/p][/quote]I'm back! Yes, and such appalling practices were only put a stop to when the British established their influence in India, the believers in such practices were effectively civilised by their Rulers. There are many examples of similarly shocking an inhuman treatment that were and still are advocated by hard-line supporters of shariah law, i.e. amputations for theft, stoning to death of adultresses (not adulterers), hanging of homosexuals, I could go on. And as you raised the issue, in certain communities there has been much coverage of the selective aborting of foetuses based purely on the sex of the unborn child, much akin to a business decision based on the potential financial value to the parents of the unborn child.[/p][/quote]Rimbus, It would appear that you are a Hindu! No ... You wrong and you know it too!! British rule of India failed to stop the disgusting act of the killing of female babies at birth, it was writhe during British rule and post it also, a documentary aired in 2011 concentrated on the issue showed that this still behaviour is very much alive in some Hindu communities ... Now when you compare the word 'some' with the population of India ... 'Some' would essentially equal a lot!! I have nothing against Hindu's, I know many who are great people! But 'stones' and 'glass houses' should be given note of! Lawlesschat

10:27am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo







rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.
As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that!

Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism.

Moving on re Islam and integration!

When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell.
As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship!

The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range!

If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious.

When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?

Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have!
Pure drivel!

The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home.

If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.
See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life!
It's a clear state of paranoia on your part!
If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!!

Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not!

It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!!
EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum.
Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views.
Where will it all end?
Lancs,
One must apply context to each point you refer to!

Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash!

The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous!

The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary.

Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of.

Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases!
Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting!
Good points Lawless,
IMO the Muslim community does not help itself, if I saw pictures on TV showing Muslim leaders speaking out day after day (not just when someone is killed) I would
perhaps take different view, communication is the key to all problems, make use of the LT on a weekly basis inform us about there faith then we may except all Muslims are not bad, the trouble is every time I read about there faith it's usually got something bad about it.
My hidden fear from an OAPs point of view is I feel throughout the world this faith is trying to take over, why I think this I don't honestly know, perhaps it's because I only read the bad press!
I honestly wish we could all live as one but I fear this is a long way of at the moment. Here's hoping.
Lancs,

I can assure you that you have nothing to worry for.

Please understand that the vast majority of Muslims in this country do not conform in any way to the likes of Anjum Chaudhary or his like! He is a man hell bent on causing divide, he isn't a spokesperson for Muslims and he is not representing anyone but himself and the small number, probably around 500 at most people who follow his thought process!

My understanding re Sharia Law, Muslims are not asking for Sharia law to take over the British judicial system!
The Sharia courts they use are for the purpose of resolving civil and family issues! If it works and works well, let it be! It does not effect anyone else, you can see this can't you?


There is nothing contrary in the British legal system which could be seen to go against a Muslims beliefs or against Muslims in general.
The British legal system is brilliant, the police protect us and we are widely protected by the law! Why would anyone want to change something which is proving positive!

You are being fed misinformation by the likes of Jack Daniels, who clearly spends too much time browsing far right websites to try and collate lies and then uses such information to pollute the minds of the population causing fear and ill feeling.

Unfortunately I have no control over the reporting traditions of the media, but understand this that the press sell stories based on their 'shock' striking headlines!
The issue of Islam sells because of the stigma now attached to it, people have been made to feel anxiety at the word Islam and Muslims! This is owing to bad practices on the part of the press combined with the hate mongering filth spreaders such as Tommy Robinson!

Lancs, I can assure you if you went to any Mosque and asked to speak to someone re any concerns you had you would be met with open arms and be given the reassurance you so require.

I wish you all the best in your quest for peace of mind! I'm sure you will find it.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The problem is much wider than this incident. Sadly multiculturalism has failed especially in terms of integrating Muslims into Western society. There has been some success in terms of Sikh,Hindu and Caribbean integration into Britain and Europe but with Muslims and particularly Islam it is simply never ever going to work. If anything these young Muslim men are even more militant than their elders. Can anyone truthfully say is it safe for a lone white person to walk safely and securely at night through the mainly Muslim areas of the town at night? We all know the answer but Blackburn is not unique and the same can be said in Nelson,Oldham,Bradfo rd and other places. Politicians and other authorities must start facing reality. If kids haven't blended in together by say age 10 or 11 in the school playgrounds then trying to assimilate them in later life is futile. Separate Islamic schools only adds to the problem yet Labour and Tory councillors are happy to promote separate faith schools. The future is bleak and the only way ahead in my view is a future indefinite blanket ban on immigration from Islamic countries and a ban on allowing any future separate faith schools including Islamic ones.. Extreme? maybe but sadly extreme measures are the only way ahead.[/p][/quote]As for this incident the police officer makes its clear that such incidents are not common! He's not hiding behind any sort of mask when he says that! Secondly lets take into account where this incident took place and the likelyhood that this wasn't as simple as its being reported! Walking towards Higher Croft? .... Excuse my sceptism. Moving on re Islam and integration! When the "Asian" community arrived in this country they were by all accounts met with skin head racist punks! The likes of the NF and Enoch Powell. As a result through self preservation and in a feeling of security they began living in poverish areas, amongst their own kind! They where driven to live like this and as time went on they became self sustained by opening their own shops and places of worship! The indigenious populous began moving out of streets and areas if Asians moved in, thus now you have areas such as Whalley Range! If Multiculturism has failed in this country it's not because of the Muslims, or Islam! It's purely based on the lack of willingness to understand others, on the part of the white indigenious. When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend? Wake up, get a grip and make most if what you have![/p][/quote]Pure drivel! The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. If the UK.... No.... If the whole of western Europe, north, central and southern America, Australia, new Zealand, AND a good percent of eastern Europe enjoy the community spirit of a public house/bar, a good pint, and a bit of footy - then you've just confirmed that you and people who think like you, are in the wrong place. You need to think about relocating to somewhere your narrow backward views are more appreciated.[/p][/quote]See Jack Daniels ... This is where the issue lies .... Muslims aren't calling on you changing "your" lifestyle, they aren't out to shut the pubs nor are they wanting to change any aspect of how you choose to live your life! On all accounts I don't think the majority don't really give a fly f**k how you live your life! It's a clear state of paranoia on your part! If you're referring to Anjum Chaudhary and his group Al Muhajiroon" I can assure you that every Muslim that I've spoken with categorise him as much a hate spreading Numpty as say the likes of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson or whatever his name his!! Just a more personal question to you, I see you use texts and words regarding Islam which have been publically said by the EDL leader in a BBC programme and his website! Have you ever considered reading the Koran for yourself ? Seen as you refer to it and the religion of Islam as Barbaric I'm guessing you have not! It pays to come equipped when debating, you have come with no armour nor any weapons to defend yourself on this subject so how about go away, do some reading and when you've acquired the relivent knowledge then come back and we'll have an adult discussion!!![/p][/quote]EDL are the scum of the UK spreading hatred with words and violence correct but let's see both sides of the coin, I have not read the Koran but I do see how Muslims react to these scum. Today five young men where convicted of having shotguns and a nail bomb going to blow up a meeting of the EDL where police, women and children would have been all getting an average of 18 years in jail, I see another couple of asian young men attempting to behead a young British soldier who was just serving his country proud, I have seen buses blown up full of women and children in London, is it any wonder some people have Racist views. Where will it all end?[/p][/quote]Lancs, One must apply context to each point you refer to! Regarding the EDL ... I completely concur, complete and utter trash! The demented men responsible for the death of Lee Rigby .. I hope these men never see a single day of freedom again! They do not represent the Muslim majority of this country! End of. They too are the scum of the earth and they are the opposite side of of the same coin in comparison to the EDL! They too stir hatred, divide and fear to the populous! The question posed in many a discussion is why are Muslims, as a collective group not out to denounce in the way of protest against the likes the killers of Lee Rigby and Anjum Chaudhary. Firstly, they (the muslim population) do not feel that they share anything in common with them! Why should the Muslim population apologise or appear to take responsibility for something that they have had no involvement in not would think of. Secondly, they accept them for what they are, scum and scum should be left to fester and be given no attention whatsoever. They will go away when they tire of their stupid campaigns! That is, if the media of this country cease to entertain such nut cases! Sad reality is though that such stories sell well, so the media in turn thrive of their reckless reporting![/p][/quote]Good points Lawless, IMO the Muslim community does not help itself, if I saw pictures on TV showing Muslim leaders speaking out day after day (not just when someone is killed) I would perhaps take different view, communication is the key to all problems, make use of the LT on a weekly basis inform us about there faith then we may except all Muslims are not bad, the trouble is every time I read about there faith it's usually got something bad about it. My hidden fear from an OAPs point of view is I feel throughout the world this faith is trying to take over, why I think this I don't honestly know, perhaps it's because I only read the bad press! I honestly wish we could all live as one but I fear this is a long way of at the moment. Here's hoping.[/p][/quote]Lancs, I can assure you that you have nothing to worry for. Please understand that the vast majority of Muslims in this country do not conform in any way to the likes of Anjum Chaudhary or his like! He is a man hell bent on causing divide, he isn't a spokesperson for Muslims and he is not representing anyone but himself and the small number, probably around 500 at most people who follow his thought process! My understanding re Sharia Law, Muslims are not asking for Sharia law to take over the British judicial system! The Sharia courts they use are for the purpose of resolving civil and family issues! If it works and works well, let it be! It does not effect anyone else, you can see this can't you? There is nothing contrary in the British legal system which could be seen to go against a Muslims beliefs or against Muslims in general. The British legal system is brilliant, the police protect us and we are widely protected by the law! Why would anyone want to change something which is proving positive! You are being fed misinformation by the likes of Jack Daniels, who clearly spends too much time browsing far right websites to try and collate lies and then uses such information to pollute the minds of the population causing fear and ill feeling. Unfortunately I have no control over the reporting traditions of the media, but understand this that the press sell stories based on their 'shock' striking headlines! The issue of Islam sells because of the stigma now attached to it, people have been made to feel anxiety at the word Islam and Muslims! This is owing to bad practices on the part of the press combined with the hate mongering filth spreaders such as Tommy Robinson! Lancs, I can assure you if you went to any Mosque and asked to speak to someone re any concerns you had you would be met with open arms and be given the reassurance you so require. I wish you all the best in your quest for peace of mind! I'm sure you will find it. Lawlesschat

10:38am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Reality50 wrote:
There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan

,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som

alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!.
What the hell was that???

Did you apply any common sense to what you've just written?

Good job you're not a politician eh!

In conclusion you've just said that you are a hearty follower of the EDL and want to put restrictions on an entire class of people's because of their religion? Are you barking mad?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan ,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!.[/p][/quote]What the hell was that??? Did you apply any common sense to what you've just written? Good job you're not a politician eh! In conclusion you've just said that you are a hearty follower of the EDL and want to put restrictions on an entire class of people's because of their religion? Are you barking mad? Lawlesschat

11:09am Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.
At what point did I criticise this country?? Why do you do that, when you are not able to rationalise yourself you and others like you try and twist even the clearest of quotes to somehow make out as though you some basis for your arguement! I am content with this country, I do not live in fear and I have no gripe with the diversity that our lives are enriched with! You on the otherhand are extremely bitter, may I appropriately suggest that you try living in India, see how much you like it there!!
Monday 4.54pm, second to last paragraph.
You clearly have issues with western culture yet you remain. The term parasite springs to mind..

Will you be sending your apology anytime soon?
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]I see you continued to criticise this country yet failed to justify why you live here if it offends you so much. Maybe it's the fact that we have freedoms in the UK that far exceed ANY Islamic country. Clearly you know where you are better off! It's with your secular white residents, so may be you should start respecting the country you live in rather than mocking it.[/p][/quote]At what point did I criticise this country?? Why do you do that, when you are not able to rationalise yourself you and others like you try and twist even the clearest of quotes to somehow make out as though you some basis for your arguement! I am content with this country, I do not live in fear and I have no gripe with the diversity that our lives are enriched with! You on the otherhand are extremely bitter, may I appropriately suggest that you try living in India, see how much you like it there!![/p][/quote]Monday 4.54pm, second to last paragraph. You clearly have issues with western culture yet you remain. The term parasite springs to mind.. Will you be sending your apology anytime soon? jack daniels

11:16am Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

You need to give your head a long wobble session!!

Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that?

I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics?

Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position!

No its okay, no apology required thanks!
It wouldn't be sincere any way!
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way! Lawlesschat

12:58pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri
me/onefifth-of-males
-at-youth-jails-is-m
uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br
iefing-papers/sn0433
4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology...... jack daniels

2:15pm Tue 11 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

jack daniels wrote:
doggydog wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!!
The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!

Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe!
Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo!
Indeed he does!


Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average.

It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even....
Jack I'm not having a go at you but your comments re, asian majority has a greater chance of poverty and dissability and lack of good education is a load of nonsense and you know it. I just wonder where you obtained this info and would be very grateful if you would point me in the right direction, for your informant!?
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Further to the above! When you speak to the Asian community ... They genuinely aren't bothered re what the "other side" are doing!! The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!! Peodophelia and sex crimes ... Whichever way you paint it, for a true reflective insight please make a 'freedom of information' request with the local constabulary asking for a break down of the ethnic backgrounds of those responsible!! You'll learn it's contrary to what you've been made to believe![/p][/quote]Jezzz, man, you dont half talk some poo![/p][/quote]Indeed he does! Every area in Blackburn with a high Asian community is way above average for poverty, disability and poor education. I also seem to recall that one in five people in the youth justice system is either Asian or Muslim and that the population of our prisons have a far higher representation of the Asian community than average. It seems that all this time spent in the madressa has been wasted on many young men. You could almost think that they've not listened because they where forced to go - against their will even....[/p][/quote]Jack I'm not having a go at you but your comments re, asian majority has a greater chance of poverty and dissability and lack of good education is a load of nonsense and you know it. I just wonder where you obtained this info and would be very grateful if you would point me in the right direction, for your informant!? sen c b l

2:24pm Tue 11 Jun 13

sen c b l says...

Reality50 wrote:
There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan

,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som

alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!.
Well in that case there's no difference between you and the Raliban who persecute and prevent other people of other race race from worshiping and practicing religion of their choice. Isn't that why the Brits are out their trying to put back in democracy and how one would choose to worship?
It's normal for human nature to act like this as they regard themselves more superior to other race and cultures, and that includes you and your comments has proved it, you're a dirty evil piece of 5hit.
All citizens have a choice how they wish to live their life's , as long as it does not encroach on other people's privacy,.
By the way low life turd, the Taliban also wear turbans!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: There are only two realistic directions to go in the medium and long term with regard to Islam in Britain and the West generally. The first option is the one i would choose which is an indefinite ban on all future Islamic immigration. I don't mean deporting anyone-except terrorists of course-but basically close the doors,accept the Muslims that are here already and put a ban on all further immigration indefinitely from a blacklist of countries which would include Pakistan,Afghanistan ,Iran,Iraq,Yemen,Som alia,Syria and Egypt. I would ban all future mosque building but accept and allow all 1600 mosques that currently operate in the UK. The second option is what i suspect will happen once the politicians bring their heads out of the sand and although I wouldn't choose it,i could accept it. The second option being a ban and closure of all faith/religious schools in the mainstream education sector. Forcing all colours creeds and genders together at an early age and assimilating the children so they understand each other. If kids want to learn religion they can do so at weekends. By age 11 you will not make a racist child an anti racist one. By then its too late and there are lots of racist Muslim and white children.Separate faith schools only encourage separation and insularity. The politicians support faith schools and are encouraging separation. Instead of blaming the EDL you should be blaming Labour and Tory councillors every time they give a go ahead to an Islamic school or a Jewish school or Catholic school etc. The EDL are highlighting a major issue-Islam-and even if they are a bit "In yer face",at least they are doing something. Doing nothing is not an option!.[/p][/quote]Well in that case there's no difference between you and the Raliban who persecute and prevent other people of other race race from worshiping and practicing religion of their choice. Isn't that why the Brits are out their trying to put back in democracy and how one would choose to worship? It's normal for human nature to act like this as they regard themselves more superior to other race and cultures, and that includes you and your comments has proved it, you're a dirty evil piece of 5hit. All citizens have a choice how they wish to live their life's , as long as it does not encroach on other people's privacy,. By the way low life turd, the Taliban also wear turbans! sen c b l

3:47pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri

me/onefifth-of-males

-at-youth-jails-is-m

uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br

iefing-papers/sn0433

4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!' Lawlesschat

3:49pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri


me/onefifth-of-males


-at-youth-jails-is-m


uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br


iefing-papers/sn0433


4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up! Lawlesschat

4:17pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri

me/onefifth-of-males

-at-youth-jails-is-m

uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br

iefing-papers/sn0433

4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
http://m.guardian.co
.uk/law/2011/nov/25/
ethnic-variations-ja
il-sentences-study

In a nutshell;


Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession.

Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting.

If you want to refer to statistics well here you go!
So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!?

What will you come back with now?
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]http://m.guardian.co .uk/law/2011/nov/25/ ethnic-variations-ja il-sentences-study In a nutshell; Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting. If you want to refer to statistics well here you go! So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!? What will you come back with now? Lawlesschat

6:18pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Jack my mate!

What no comeback?

I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side!

I'd leave it at that now mate!
Jack my mate! What no comeback? I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side! I'd leave it at that now mate! Lawlesschat

8:33pm Tue 11 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

If Islam is barbaric religion so is Chritianity.Modern 20th century wars in Europe started by christians killing millions of Europeans and Jews.Remember world war one and world war two.
No Muslim countries have started wars on European or American countries.
It's ok for European countries and US to wage war against a Muslim country,even without UN Mandate.War against Iraq and Afganistan was illegal wars.Countless number of civilian population killed in this illegal wars men,women and children .US led bombing has killed thousands of civilian population in Iraq,Afganistan and Pakistan.The use of Drones is killing thousands of civilian population in these countries.
The above LT story of a young teenager beaten up by an Asian gang,these incidents are isolated cases around the country .There are Asian and blacks beaten up by white gangs.The press get so much attention if a victim was white.If the the victim was black or Asian then that many turns a blind eye and very little press coverage.
Thugs should not rule our streets be it White gangs,Asian Gangs or Black Gangs.These gangs are minority groups who terrorise our towns and cities in UK .They have guns and knives and the Police are now trying to tackle this gang culture in our towns and cities.
Please keep religion out of this comment and try to send your sympathies to this young teenager who was beaten up by gang of thugs who happens to be Asians.The vast majority of Asians are law abiding people and wants to eradicate gang culture in this town.Asians have been victims themselves by such gang attacks.
Please don't mention Islam in such attack against this teenager,Islam does not teach hatered,war,killings of innocent people regardles of colour or religion.The two Black men mudered a young soldier in London as Muslim Leaders in UK has strongly comdemed this barbaric killing of a British soldier in London.It had nothing to with Islam and this is terrorism.Islam does not allow this kind of aggression.Islam is a religion of Peace.
If Islam is barbaric religion so is Chritianity.Modern 20th century wars in Europe started by christians killing millions of Europeans and Jews.Remember world war one and world war two. No Muslim countries have started wars on European or American countries. It's ok for European countries and US to wage war against a Muslim country,even without UN Mandate.War against Iraq and Afganistan was illegal wars.Countless number of civilian population killed in this illegal wars men,women and children .US led bombing has killed thousands of civilian population in Iraq,Afganistan and Pakistan.The use of Drones is killing thousands of civilian population in these countries. The above LT story of a young teenager beaten up by an Asian gang,these incidents are isolated cases around the country .There are Asian and blacks beaten up by white gangs.The press get so much attention if a victim was white.If the the victim was black or Asian then that many turns a blind eye and very little press coverage. Thugs should not rule our streets be it White gangs,Asian Gangs or Black Gangs.These gangs are minority groups who terrorise our towns and cities in UK .They have guns and knives and the Police are now trying to tackle this gang culture in our towns and cities. Please keep religion out of this comment and try to send your sympathies to this young teenager who was beaten up by gang of thugs who happens to be Asians.The vast majority of Asians are law abiding people and wants to eradicate gang culture in this town.Asians have been victims themselves by such gang attacks. Please don't mention Islam in such attack against this teenager,Islam does not teach hatered,war,killings of innocent people regardles of colour or religion.The two Black men mudered a young soldier in London as Muslim Leaders in UK has strongly comdemed this barbaric killing of a British soldier in London.It had nothing to with Islam and this is terrorism.Islam does not allow this kind of aggression.Islam is a religion of Peace. M.DANNY

8:40pm Tue 11 Jun 13

crankitup says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia
lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion... crankitup

9:21pm Tue 11 Jun 13

M Foster says...

Typo correction - Pack is what I intended of course. Would not want to upset the local (one-sided) constabulary.
Typo correction - Pack is what I intended of course. Would not want to upset the local (one-sided) constabulary. M Foster

10:20pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

crankitup wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia

lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...
Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!!

You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear!

Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...[/p][/quote]Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!! You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear! Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere. Lawlesschat

10:24pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

M Foster wrote:
Almost certain the victim was White. As with many other PakAttacks, it is the usual gang picking on one White individual. Cowards!
As where white on Asian attacks are different how? Do give me examples?

You are so blinkered to the truth!!

I see the town cider drunkards have sobered enough to manage to type, might be crap what they type but at Least they make the effort, bless!!
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: Almost certain the victim was White. As with many other PakAttacks, it is the usual gang picking on one White individual. Cowards![/p][/quote]As where white on Asian attacks are different how? Do give me examples? You are so blinkered to the truth!! I see the town cider drunkards have sobered enough to manage to type, might be crap what they type but at Least they make the effort, bless!! Lawlesschat

10:42pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Jack my mate!

What no comeback?

I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side!

I'd leave it at that now mate!
The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called

‘a life’

You should get one – you might even like it.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Jack my mate! What no comeback? I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side! I'd leave it at that now mate![/p][/quote]The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called ‘a life’ You should get one – you might even like it. jack daniels

10:53pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri


me/onefifth-of-males


-at-youth-jails-is-m


uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br


iefing-papers/sn0433


4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
http://m.guardian.co

.uk/law/2011/nov/25/

ethnic-variations-ja

il-sentences-study

In a nutshell;


Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession.

Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting.

If you want to refer to statistics well here you go!
So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!?

What will you come back with now?
Simples.

At 7:49am Tue 11 Jun 13, you stated that “I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also!”

All I simply did was provide the statistics for that claim.

All you’ve done is give the reasons for the above average ratios.
It’s clear that you’ve got yourself a little too excited thinking you’ve actually won something when all you’ve proved is that our justice system, as well as the Police, take a pretty heavy hand towards ungrateful immigrants committing crimes in this country.

Sorry to disappoint you
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]http://m.guardian.co .uk/law/2011/nov/25/ ethnic-variations-ja il-sentences-study In a nutshell; Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting. If you want to refer to statistics well here you go! So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!? What will you come back with now?[/p][/quote]Simples. At 7:49am Tue 11 Jun 13, you stated that “I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also!” All I simply did was provide the statistics for that claim. All you’ve done is give the reasons for the above average ratios. It’s clear that you’ve got yourself a little too excited thinking you’ve actually won something when all you’ve proved is that our justice system, as well as the Police, take a pretty heavy hand towards ungrateful immigrants committing crimes in this country. Sorry to disappoint you jack daniels

11:06pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri



me/onefifth-of-males



-at-youth-jails-is-m



uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br



iefing-papers/sn0433



4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP. jack daniels

11:18pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri



me/onefifth-of-males



-at-youth-jails-is-m



uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br



iefing-papers/sn0433



4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
http://m.guardian.co


.uk/law/2011/nov/25/


ethnic-variations-ja


il-sentences-study

In a nutshell;


Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records.

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession.

Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting.

If you want to refer to statistics well here you go!
So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!?

What will you come back with now?
Simples.

At 7:49am Tue 11 Jun 13, you stated that “I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also!”

All I simply did was provide the statistics for that claim.

All you’ve done is give the reasons for the above average ratios.
It’s clear that you’ve got yourself a little too excited thinking you’ve actually won something when all you’ve proved is that our justice system, as well as the Police, take a pretty heavy hand towards ungrateful immigrants committing crimes in this country.

Sorry to disappoint you
You miss the point ya Whup'ding!!

You provided a statistic hoping that would have been the end of matter assuming that I may just agree and settle at that, that would assume I was intellectually week, unfortunately for you and those like you, I proved a point, discrediting your claims that Muslims or Blacks and Asians contribute more to crime in comparison to their white counterparts!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]http://m.guardian.co .uk/law/2011/nov/25/ ethnic-variations-ja il-sentences-study In a nutshell; Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Offenders from ethnic minorities are more likely than their white counterparts to be sentenced to prison for certain categories of crimes, according to an analysis of more than one million court records. The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences, 38% more likely to be imprisoned for public disorder or possession of a weapon and 27% more likely for drugs possession. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts and 19% more likely to go to jail for shoplifting. If you want to refer to statistics well here you go! So, this would explain why the disproportionate numbers in prisons!? What will you come back with now?[/p][/quote]Simples. At 7:49am Tue 11 Jun 13, you stated that “I'm genuinely interested to know as I would like to read them also!” All I simply did was provide the statistics for that claim. All you’ve done is give the reasons for the above average ratios. It’s clear that you’ve got yourself a little too excited thinking you’ve actually won something when all you’ve proved is that our justice system, as well as the Police, take a pretty heavy hand towards ungrateful immigrants committing crimes in this country. Sorry to disappoint you[/p][/quote]You miss the point ya Whup'ding!! You provided a statistic hoping that would have been the end of matter assuming that I may just agree and settle at that, that would assume I was intellectually week, unfortunately for you and those like you, I proved a point, discrediting your claims that Muslims or Blacks and Asians contribute more to crime in comparison to their white counterparts! Lawlesschat

11:28pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri




me/onefifth-of-males




-at-youth-jails-is-m




uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br




iefing-papers/sn0433




4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
By stating that the drinking culture in this country is dangerous and primitive barely suggests that I am racist? If so, how exactly?

It's a fact, that alcohol is the most common cause for domestic violence, fighting, random assaults , rape and most other personal impacting crime!

It's a further fact that most domestic violence and domestic female murders take place after a footy match when the perpetrators are drunk and their home team loose!

Yes, I didn't clarify this earlier but I assumed, being the intellectual you think you are you wouldn't have needed such clarity, clearly I was wrong!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.[/p][/quote]By stating that the drinking culture in this country is dangerous and primitive barely suggests that I am racist? If so, how exactly? It's a fact, that alcohol is the most common cause for domestic violence, fighting, random assaults , rape and most other personal impacting crime! It's a further fact that most domestic violence and domestic female murders take place after a footy match when the perpetrators are drunk and their home team loose! Yes, I didn't clarify this earlier but I assumed, being the intellectual you think you are you wouldn't have needed such clarity, clearly I was wrong! Lawlesschat

11:31pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
crankitup wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia



lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...
Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!!

You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear!

Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.
so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls?

You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture.

come on - chop chop!
I will leave this matter with the police!

Tut tut.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...[/p][/quote]Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!! You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear! Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.[/p][/quote]so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls? You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture. come on - chop chop![/p][/quote]I will leave this matter with the police! Tut tut. Lawlesschat

11:35pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Jack my mate!

What no comeback?

I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side!

I'd leave it at that now mate!
The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called

‘a life’

You should get one – you might even like it.
But no job I guess! Typically predictable!

Thanks for the social advice, I'd imagine mine is far fuller than yours!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Jack my mate! What no comeback? I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side! I'd leave it at that now mate![/p][/quote]The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called ‘a life’ You should get one – you might even like it.[/p][/quote]But no job I guess! Typically predictable! Thanks for the social advice, I'd imagine mine is far fuller than yours! Lawlesschat

11:43pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri


me/onefifth-of-males


-at-youth-jails-is-m


uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br


iefing-papers/sn0433


4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr
oomed children when in the bedroom)

It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up?

I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah?

You said -
“There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?”

Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand.

Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior.

You said -
“But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share”

I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”.

No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished.

I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time.

Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this -

“The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!”

Have you got statistcs to prove this….
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr oomed children when in the bedroom) It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up? I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah? You said - “There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?” Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand. Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior. You said - “But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share” I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”. No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished. I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time. Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this - “The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!” Have you got statistcs to prove this…. jack daniels

11:45pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Jack my mate!

What no comeback?

I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side!

I'd leave it at that now mate!
The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called

‘a life’

You should get one – you might even like it.
But no job I guess! Typically predictable!

Thanks for the social advice, I'd imagine mine is far fuller than yours!
you where the crying on here..

"oh Jack"

"oh Jack"

"where are you Jack"

to think! I've actually gave you purpose. No.. it's ok. You don't need to thank me.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Jack my mate! What no comeback? I can imagine the smoke as you vigorously scroll through google search to try and find an alternative answer to justify yourself and your impartial thought process... One thing going for you though, the courts appear to be on your side! I'd leave it at that now mate![/p][/quote]The reason you’ve had to wait is because I have this thing called ‘a life’ You should get one – you might even like it.[/p][/quote]But no job I guess! Typically predictable! Thanks for the social advice, I'd imagine mine is far fuller than yours![/p][/quote]you where the crying on here.. "oh Jack" "oh Jack" "where are you Jack" to think! I've actually gave you purpose. No.. it's ok. You don't need to thank me. jack daniels

11:47pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe





nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri





me/onefifth-of-males





-at-youth-jails-is-m





uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br





iefing-papers/sn0433





4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
By stating that the drinking culture in this country is dangerous and primitive barely suggests that I am racist? If so, how exactly?

It's a fact, that alcohol is the most common cause for domestic violence, fighting, random assaults , rape and most other personal impacting crime!

It's a further fact that most domestic violence and domestic female murders take place after a footy match when the perpetrators are drunk and their home team loose!

Yes, I didn't clarify this earlier but I assumed, being the intellectual you think you are you wouldn't have needed such clarity, clearly I was wrong!
who said racist?

We are talking about the word 'primitive'.

you wiggle like a worm....
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.[/p][/quote]By stating that the drinking culture in this country is dangerous and primitive barely suggests that I am racist? If so, how exactly? It's a fact, that alcohol is the most common cause for domestic violence, fighting, random assaults , rape and most other personal impacting crime! It's a further fact that most domestic violence and domestic female murders take place after a footy match when the perpetrators are drunk and their home team loose! Yes, I didn't clarify this earlier but I assumed, being the intellectual you think you are you wouldn't have needed such clarity, clearly I was wrong![/p][/quote]who said racist? We are talking about the word 'primitive'. you wiggle like a worm.... jack daniels

11:48pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri



me/onefifth-of-males



-at-youth-jails-is-m



uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br



iefing-papers/sn0433



4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr

oomed children when in the bedroom)

It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up?

I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah?

You said -
“There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?”

Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand.

Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior.

You said -
“But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share”

I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”.

No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished.

I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time.

Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this -

“The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!”

Have you got statistcs to prove this….
Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame.
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr oomed children when in the bedroom) It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up? I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah? You said - “There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?” Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand. Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior. You said - “But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share” I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”. No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished. I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time. Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this - “The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!” Have you got statistcs to prove this….[/p][/quote]Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame. Saj143

11:49pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
crankitup wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia




lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...
Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!!

You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear!

Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.
so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls?

You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture.

come on - chop chop!
I will leave this matter with the police!

Tut tut.
still not able to support your fellow man with condemning the rapists huh?

tut tut
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...[/p][/quote]Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!! You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear! Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.[/p][/quote]so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls? You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture. come on - chop chop![/p][/quote]I will leave this matter with the police! Tut tut.[/p][/quote]still not able to support your fellow man with condemning the rapists huh? tut tut jack daniels

11:51pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri




me/onefifth-of-males




-at-youth-jails-is-m




uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br




iefing-papers/sn0433




4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr


oomed children when in the bedroom)

It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up?

I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah?

You said -
“There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?”

Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand.

Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior.

You said -
“But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share”

I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”.

No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished.

I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time.

Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this -

“The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!”

Have you got statistcs to prove this….
Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame.
so you are happy for lawless to insult people but to start crying when I do?

Double standards or a are you being a little racist?
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr oomed children when in the bedroom) It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up? I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah? You said - “There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?” Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand. Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior. You said - “But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share” I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”. No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished. I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time. Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this - “The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!” Have you got statistcs to prove this….[/p][/quote]Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame.[/p][/quote]so you are happy for lawless to insult people but to start crying when I do? Double standards or a are you being a little racist? jack daniels

11:53pm Tue 11 Jun 13

jack daniels says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri




me/onefifth-of-males




-at-youth-jails-is-m




uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br




iefing-papers/sn0433




4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
oh dear... is this a matter for the police too?

Tut tut
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.[/p][/quote]oh dear... is this a matter for the police too? Tut tut jack daniels

11:58pm Tue 11 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri




me/onefifth-of-males




-at-youth-jails-is-m




uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br




iefing-papers/sn0433




4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
Racist against whom exactly?

A battle of wits against the likes of you and your racist undertones ... Although your last was barely an undertone more a blatant racist outburst, would barely equate to racism!

You haven't a blatant clue of my heritage, nationality or religious background! Could it be that I am anti-racist and feel the need to correct on your ill informed posts??

You need to keep check on your blood pressure and that temper!! Now now then! You'll land yourself in trouble, but I'm guessing you've been through the rough end of judicial system before today, I can tell that you're that way inclined!

Lets see how the police and one hopes the courts deal with you!
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.[/p][/quote]Racist against whom exactly? A battle of wits against the likes of you and your racist undertones ... Although your last was barely an undertone more a blatant racist outburst, would barely equate to racism! You haven't a blatant clue of my heritage, nationality or religious background! Could it be that I am anti-racist and feel the need to correct on your ill informed posts?? You need to keep check on your blood pressure and that temper!! Now now then! You'll land yourself in trouble, but I'm guessing you've been through the rough end of judicial system before today, I can tell that you're that way inclined! Lets see how the police and one hopes the courts deal with you! Lawlesschat

12:00am Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe





nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri





me/onefifth-of-males





-at-youth-jails-is-m





uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br





iefing-papers/sn0433





4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
When did I say whites were primitive??

Another lie! You really need to stop making things up!
On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted -
“When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance??
Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?”


“..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend”

So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.
oh dear... is this a matter for the police too?

Tut tut
? What exactly do you refer to?
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]When did I say whites were primitive?? Another lie! You really need to stop making things up![/p][/quote]On 4:54pm Mon 10 Jun 13 you posted - “When Muslims are being told to confirm with the British culture ... What is that exactly? Pubs, beer and football by any chance?? Why would anyone want to adopt such a primitive and dangerous cultural trend?” “..... a primitive and dangerous cultural trend” So you seem adept at spinning a yarn little man but you don’t have the b@lls to admit you're just a racist as the EDL or the BNP.[/p][/quote]oh dear... is this a matter for the police too? Tut tut[/p][/quote]? What exactly do you refer to? Lawlesschat

12:05am Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Jack, if you say you are sorry and promise me that you will desist in spreading your hate and lies I will call it a day and not progress with any complaint against you!

I'm very forgiving but I need to make sure you are truly repentant for your actions!

So, publicly tell everyone that you are a liar, and nothing you wrote was the truth!

I'm offering you a branch in order that you alter your bitter, twisted and sad lifestyle!

Go on, be the bigger man!
Jack, if you say you are sorry and promise me that you will desist in spreading your hate and lies I will call it a day and not progress with any complaint against you! I'm very forgiving but I need to make sure you are truly repentant for your actions! So, publicly tell everyone that you are a liar, and nothing you wrote was the truth! I'm offering you a branch in order that you alter your bitter, twisted and sad lifestyle! Go on, be the bigger man! Lawlesschat

12:12am Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri



me/onefifth-of-males



-at-youth-jails-is-m



uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br



iefing-papers/sn0433



4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr

oomed children when in the bedroom)

It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up?

I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah?

You said -
“There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?”

Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand.

Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior.

You said -
“But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share”

I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”.

No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished.

I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time.

Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this -

“The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!”

Have you got statistcs to prove this….
Who needs statistics when you're living proof!!

Oh my days, why don't you stop!
You are digging such a big hole! How bloody tall are you??
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr oomed children when in the bedroom) It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up? I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah? You said - “There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?” Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand. Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior. You said - “But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share” I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”. No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished. I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time. Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this - “The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!” Have you got statistcs to prove this….[/p][/quote]Who needs statistics when you're living proof!! Oh my days, why don't you stop! You are digging such a big hole! How bloody tall are you?? Lawlesschat

12:15am Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Saj143 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way!
tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!!

One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show.

The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons.
Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim.
http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri




me/onefifth-of-males




-at-youth-jails-is-m




uslim-8392928.html


In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population

Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%.
www.parliament.uk/br




iefing-papers/sn0433




4.pdf

The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information.

What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive?

All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now?

still waiting for that apology......
Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!!

So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion!

There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?
Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!'

So what has this to do with being Muslim?

Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim!

If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ?

And this is what the prison chief has to say;

"The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear.

The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%.

Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith."

I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'
Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr


oomed children when in the bedroom)

It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up?

I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah?

You said -
“There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?”

Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand.

Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior.

You said -
“But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share”

I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”.

No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished.

I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time.

Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this -

“The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions!
Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!”

Have you got statistcs to prove this….
Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame.
High five .... Saj143 !!!

HaHa!!
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: You need to give your head a long wobble session!! Again , where did I criticise the country? Where have I shown anything at all that would imply that? I made a respective comment re crime and the major factor of it ... Being alcohol, verifiable by those involved in front line policing and paramedics? Again, give that empty ball on your shoulders a wobble maybe your brain will settle in its correct position! No its okay, no apology required thanks! It wouldn't be sincere any way![/p][/quote]tissues at the ready boys, cuz you've got some weeping to do!! One in five young men in youth jails is Muslim, an increase of nearly 25 per cent on last year, figures released today show. The proportion of youth offenders in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose three percentage points to 42 per cent in 2010-11, according to the report by the chief inspector of prisons. Around 17 per cent of the population of England and Wales is non-white, while it is estimated that about 5 per cent of people in the UK are Muslim. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/onefifth-of-males -at-youth-jails-is-m uslim-8392928.html In 2011 the population of Asians/Asian British in England and Wales was 5.5% yet it accounted for 7.4% of the prison population Muslims also accounted for 12.5% of the prison population - compared to Buddhists at 2.1%, or Sikh at 0.8%, or Hindu at 0.5%. www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/sn0433 4.pdf The rest of it you can look up yourself using the statistics freely available on line – assuming you are able to extrapolate the information. What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive? All this crime yet muslims don't drink!! So what is the excuse you'll come up with now? still waiting for that apology......[/p][/quote]Woh Woh Woh!!! Steady your horses you judgemental half-Witt!! So what does this have to do with Islam? What does it have to do with religion! There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims? Equally there are a number of Asian youths who commit crime, anyone who does is barely a practicing Muslim!' So what has this to do with being Muslim? Why do they turn to crime? Well here's a few reasons why! Street cred, stupidty, life choice, poverty, isolation, lack of opportunity! There's a whole host of reasons why! But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share ? And this is what the prison chief has to say; "The director of the Prison Reform Trust, Juliet Lyon, said it was "a big increase" but the reasons were unclear. The proportion of youths in custody from black and minority ethnic communities also rose from 39% to 42%. Ms Lyon said: "It could simply be there are more young Muslim men at the moment in the general population than there were a couple of years ago, but equally - and I think it's important that the Prison Service investigates this - it could be that more young people are going to prison and then either converting to the Muslim faith whilst they're in prison or they're reverting to the Muslim faith." I still owe you no apology! It is yourself who should out of courtesy be apologising to me for accusing me of something that I did not do!'[/p][/quote]Ahh, and now ‘the big one’ (something you asians don’t often hear from your wives/girlfriends/gr oomed children when in the bedroom) It has everything to do with islam. How can such a small minority that states they are muslim, attend mosques and medressas, recite the koran and all of its preaching's of peace and kindness, have so many people banged up? I admit – there's a few british muslims in for terrorist offences (you know – for planning to attack unarmed men, women, children, elderly ect) but you do have to ask what the point is, if all these muslims have failed to listen to the word of Allah? You said - “There are a number of Asian youths of Muslim backgrounds who drink alcohol, they are barely practicing Muslims?” Are we saying that Jack Daniels or vodka and coke has more influence than God or is it just a convenient excuse to blame alcohol for a failed religion and a failed community? Are 21st century consumer items a bigger pull than God? These same people that say they are muslim when they fill in the custody forms. Nobody forces their hand. Anyway… Who are you to say who is a muslim? You seem so full of your own self importance that you have the gall as to say who is a muslim and who isn’t. Is it convenient to say this because Islam is as flawed as everything else? Surely only Allah himself can say who is and who isn't a muslim and certainly not some over excited LT keyboard warrior. You said - “But I can guarantee that it's not because they are Muslim! If you say that it is, and somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching then please do share” I never said it was “somehow it's inherent in their upbringing and religious teaching”. I actually said “What we have to ask is why is the muslim percentage so high and why is the prison population above average if it’s ‘us whites’ who are primitive”. No…. No… wait on the apology, I’ve not finished. I may also have asked why so many muslims turn to crime (and I can only assume you must have been to mosque, medressa or owned a koran to be a muslim) which I think (in my opinion) is a genuine question, as it make you think that they’ve all been wasting their time. Oh, and lets not forget what started all of this - “The racist anger has been, is and will be for years to come evident on the part of the white indigenious populous who just can't accept that the Asian's have moved on, have learned to become self sustained by being educated, trained in professions! Whalley Range is probably one of the most safest places to be in at any time of the day or night when considering inner town subburbs!!” Have you got statistcs to prove this….[/p][/quote]Jack....disgusting. And from a person who claims to be a father. Shame.[/p][/quote]High five .... Saj143 !!! HaHa!! Lawlesschat

12:21am Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

And Jack! You've got to say sorry to me for trying to hurt my feelings!

And to Saj143! For calling him a racist because he tutted at you!

Go on ..., do it.
And Jack! You've got to say sorry to me for trying to hurt my feelings! And to Saj143! For calling him a racist because he tutted at you! Go on ..., do it. Lawlesschat

1:26pm Wed 12 Jun 13

the_truth_is_out_there_! says...

Can all the racists on this post please hand their heads in shame?

http://www.lancashir
etelegraph.co.uk/new
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Can all the racists on this post please hand their heads in shame? http://www.lancashir etelegraph.co.uk/new s/blackburn/10479056 .Man_fined_after_fal sely_claiming_he_was _attacked_by_gang_of _four_in_Blackburn/ the_truth_is_out_there_!

1:35pm Wed 12 Jun 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Now that is truly hilarious - all those badwaggon jumpers that said this and that etc ----- and now, the kid admits he just made it up!!!

so much for a racist attack
Now that is truly hilarious - all those badwaggon jumpers that said this and that etc ----- and now, the kid admits he just made it up!!! so much for a racist attack hasslem hasslem

1:40pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Excluded again says...

It is now reported that the attack was made up. I think some apologies are due.
It is now reported that the attack was made up. I think some apologies are due. Excluded again

2:17pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Faithless says...

Hilarious that there was no attack but why did the young man feel the need to make something like this up?

Something is not right and instead of everyone trying to incite hatred we should be uniting to support youths like these.
Hilarious that there was no attack but why did the young man feel the need to make something like this up? Something is not right and instead of everyone trying to incite hatred we should be uniting to support youths like these. Faithless

2:49pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Faithless wrote:
Hilarious that there was no attack but why did the young man feel the need to make something like this up?

Something is not right and instead of everyone trying to incite hatred we should be uniting to support youths like these.
It's also been revealed that his father is a far right activists going by the name of Jack Daniels!!! Explains all !!

Yea, i asde that up and no It's not true, but bloody credible no?

Jack Daniels ... On your knees you wrotten sod!
[quote][p][bold]Faithless[/bold] wrote: Hilarious that there was no attack but why did the young man feel the need to make something like this up? Something is not right and instead of everyone trying to incite hatred we should be uniting to support youths like these.[/p][/quote]It's also been revealed that his father is a far right activists going by the name of Jack Daniels!!! Explains all !! Yea, i asde that up and no It's not true, but bloody credible no? Jack Daniels ... On your knees you wrotten sod! Lawlesschat

3:08pm Wed 12 Jun 13

mastergx says...

How was he allowed to "make up" having his jaw broke in 2 places? Didnt the Police check with the Hospital?
How was he allowed to "make up" having his jaw broke in 2 places? Didnt the Police check with the Hospital? mastergx

4:32pm Wed 12 Jun 13

crankitup says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
crankitup wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
Quite; jack Daniels said,
"The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. "

What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly?


If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop!
The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic!
If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here??

It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!!
quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia




lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...
Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!!

You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear!

Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.
so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls?

You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture.

come on - chop chop!
I will leave this matter with the police!

Tut tut.
yeh lets leave it to the police....who may i add have known about this scummy, pedophilia behavior for years but yet did nothing...don't get me wrong....i don't blame the bobby on the street...the order to ignore has come from way above....well lets face it we can't be seen to be rocking the apple cart.....FYI...i work and have worked since i left school and i'm 46 years old....may i add that i worked for a company that was 99.999% muslim, infact i was the only white lad there, and i had some good friends, also my asian boss invited me to his wedding, to which i went and had a good time...but the line was crossed when i asked a colleague why it was that muslim lads had sex with white girls....to which he responded that they wanted to save their women for marriage so they used white girls to preserve their women as virgins
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Quite; jack Daniels said, "The Asian community continues to retain their traditional primitive medieval traditions, and like you, questions the culture of the country you call home. " What primitive tradition are you talking about exactly? If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol! Ask any cop! The majority of cases draining the A&E departments and time spent by Paramedics ... Again are owing to Alcohol, ask any paramedic! If people object to alcohol and choose not to be around people consuming it then sobeit! That's as much right to a choice as it is for those who do choose to drink? What's the problem here?? It's not for anyone to stop another persons 'choice's' in life, especially not in this country! It is a free democratic land, live and let live! Often used not often endorsed unfortunately, usually by those who demand it for themselves in most cases!![/p][/quote]quote "If you look at crime, the biggest attribute to it is alcohol!"....especia lly when plied to young vulnerable girls by gangs of child rapist....the fact is and it becoming more and more apparent that multiculturalism is not working...when families from south Asia started coming over here to settle and hope for a better life...they wore traditional Asian dress...they didnt wear vails or face coverings....the muslim culture in this country is going backward....and it wont stop until we become an islamic state....that is my opinion...[/p][/quote]Fortunately your opinion means very little in the wider context! So yeah, brilliant thanks for that one!! You run out of your fortnightly job seekers allowance and taken a break from sipping ya cheap Cider? Oh dear! Something tells me you aren't clever enough to begin a debate with ... Jack Daniels, you should be extremely privileged as there was a compliment in there for you somewhere.[/p][/quote]so what are your thought on all these dirty pakistani scum bag pig f*ckers that rape young vulnerable girls? You seem happy enough to mouth off at crankitup about everything else yet like seem very reluctant so far to actually turn your smug chops towards your own feckless culture. come on - chop chop![/p][/quote]I will leave this matter with the police! Tut tut.[/p][/quote]yeh lets leave it to the police....who may i add have known about this scummy, pedophilia behavior for years but yet did nothing...don't get me wrong....i don't blame the bobby on the street...the order to ignore has come from way above....well lets face it we can't be seen to be rocking the apple cart.....FYI...i work and have worked since i left school and i'm 46 years old....may i add that i worked for a company that was 99.999% muslim, infact i was the only white lad there, and i had some good friends, also my asian boss invited me to his wedding, to which i went and had a good time...but the line was crossed when i asked a colleague why it was that muslim lads had sex with white girls....to which he responded that they wanted to save their women for marriage so they used white girls to preserve their women as virgins crankitup

4:41pm Wed 12 Jun 13

crankitup says...

people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS
people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS crankitup

6:38pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

crankitup wrote:
people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS
LMFAO......Greece a Muslim country...innit bruv.

Jack hope you enjoyed the football last night and the few "extra" drinks you had. Pinnacle of culture !

Sad to see this story end in such a manner. Not sad that it was a group of Asians , Whites , Muslims , Christians or even Greeks as the above, taking the beating or carrying out the beating , sad to see how much hate is blinding so many people that a spark such as the story in question ignites such hatred and bigoted views from both camps. God help us....
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS[/p][/quote]LMFAO......Greece a Muslim country...innit bruv. Jack hope you enjoyed the football last night and the few "extra" drinks you had. Pinnacle of culture ! Sad to see this story end in such a manner. Not sad that it was a group of Asians , Whites , Muslims , Christians or even Greeks as the above, taking the beating or carrying out the beating , sad to see how much hate is blinding so many people that a spark such as the story in question ignites such hatred and bigoted views from both camps. God help us.... Saj143

7:20pm Wed 12 Jun 13

M.DANNY says...

Breaking news the young teenager fabricated this story that he was beaten up by gang of four Asian lads.He falsely claimed he was beaten up by this gang of four Asian lads.
United Nation says there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and US has waged an illegal war against Iraq without UN Mandate.
US sends Drones to Afganistan and Pakistan killing civilians men ,women and children.
US has killed thousands of civilians in Iraq,Afganistan and Pakistan in war against terror in these Islamic Country.
Can US stand up against Russia,China and India with huge stockpile of weapons of mass destruction ? The answer is Russia,China and India are big and powerful superpowers and would blow up this world with their nuclear arsenals.
World war one and World war two in 20th century Europe ,Nazi Germany and all the barbaric Christians killing millions of Christians and JEWS.
Breaking news the young teenager fabricated this story that he was beaten up by gang of four Asian lads.He falsely claimed he was beaten up by this gang of four Asian lads. United Nation says there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and US has waged an illegal war against Iraq without UN Mandate. US sends Drones to Afganistan and Pakistan killing civilians men ,women and children. US has killed thousands of civilians in Iraq,Afganistan and Pakistan in war against terror in these Islamic Country. Can US stand up against Russia,China and India with huge stockpile of weapons of mass destruction ? The answer is Russia,China and India are big and powerful superpowers and would blow up this world with their nuclear arsenals. World war one and World war two in 20th century Europe ,Nazi Germany and all the barbaric Christians killing millions of Christians and JEWS. M.DANNY

8:20pm Wed 12 Jun 13

iceman123 says...

AN 18-YEAR-OLD man has been fined £80 for wasting police time after claiming he was attacked
AN 18-YEAR-OLD man has been fined £80 for wasting police time after claiming he was attacked iceman123

8:21pm Wed 12 Jun 13

iceman123 says...

what a fool
what a fool iceman123

9:03pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

crankitup wrote:
people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS
It might have paid for you to have stayed in education and in particular studied Geography! You clueless numb nut, since when was Greece a Muslim country?

It's an orthodox Christian country??

You discredit yourself so gracefully, I knew I was right ... You're not worth a debate, thus I won't have one with you.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: people are saying "racist EDL"..racist "BNP".....lets just have a look at what is happening in Greece....which may i add is a predominately Muslim country.....the government is trying to discredit the opinions of the people....they are doing this by saying the people are wrong and are all violent criminals....well thats what been happening in this great country of ours.....anyone who speaks out against Muslims are classed as RACIST....regardless of whether what they are speaking the truth....lets think of how many votes they have.....just take a look at all the wars and unrest there is in the world and you'll find Muslim countries/people involved...the fact is they cant get along with anyone....not even themselves FFS[/p][/quote]It might have paid for you to have stayed in education and in particular studied Geography! You clueless numb nut, since when was Greece a Muslim country? It's an orthodox Christian country?? You discredit yourself so gracefully, I knew I was right ... You're not worth a debate, thus I won't have one with you. Lawlesschat

9:22pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Ronnietate says...

We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians?
We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians? Ronnietate

9:29pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Saj143 says...

Ronnietate wrote:
We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians?
Paranoid...
[quote][p][bold]Ronnietate[/bold] wrote: We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians?[/p][/quote]Paranoid... Saj143

10:47pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Ronnietate wrote:
We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians?
OH Yeah! because the police routinely do stuff like that don't they?

Exactly What planet are you on exactly?

As Saj143 said .... Paranoid!!
[quote][p][bold]Ronnietate[/bold] wrote: We are now told that the story was made up and never happened. What motive would he have for making up this story? Could it be that the police have charged him with wasting their time, because the truth is that they don't want to investigate a gang of four asians?[/p][/quote]OH Yeah! because the police routinely do stuff like that don't they? Exactly What planet are you on exactly? As Saj143 said .... Paranoid!! Lawlesschat

11:09pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Darwen Trotter says...

@lawlesschat and side kick.

Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person.
Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end.
Tut Tut !
@lawlesschat and side kick. Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person. Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end. Tut Tut ! Darwen Trotter

12:54am Thu 13 Jun 13

255.255.255.0 says...

all you edl and bnp lovers, racist fools, what a bunch of morons, hiding in your little corner now THE TRUTHS come out? LMFAO!!! Come on, what have you to say now since your argument was based on a white man being attacked by asians? Muslamic Ray Guns!!! LMFAO...Idiots...
all you edl and bnp lovers, racist fools, what a bunch of morons, hiding in your little corner now THE TRUTHS come out? LMFAO!!! Come on, what have you to say now since your argument was based on a white man being attacked by asians? Muslamic Ray Guns!!! LMFAO...Idiots... 255.255.255.0

1:42am Thu 13 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Darwen Trotter wrote:
@lawlesschat and side kick.

Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person.
Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end.
Tut Tut !
We all have a childish nature and admitedly mine is my weakness! I can assure you that I am not at all pompous or a rich kid! If I've projected that in any way, then I'm terribly sorry.

However, what I will not apologise for is talking to certain people (sharing offensive comments) on this forum in a way that I believe they understand!

In any case, I wholly take on board your critism's and bigger positives for that matter and I am grateful for your input, genuinely.
[quote][p][bold]Darwen Trotter[/bold] wrote: @lawlesschat and side kick. Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person. Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end. Tut Tut ![/p][/quote]We all have a childish nature and admitedly mine is my weakness! I can assure you that I am not at all pompous or a rich kid! If I've projected that in any way, then I'm terribly sorry. However, what I will not apologise for is talking to certain people (sharing offensive comments) on this forum in a way that I believe they understand! In any case, I wholly take on board your critism's and bigger positives for that matter and I am grateful for your input, genuinely. Lawlesschat

1:48am Thu 13 Jun 13

Lawlesschat says...

Darwen Trotter wrote:
@lawlesschat and side kick.

Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person.
Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end.
Tut Tut !
One thing that isn't clear my fellow Darrener is would be the 'side kick'?

Ha! I didn't realise that I had one.

On that pleasant note, enough said here by me.

To everyone on here, peace to you all and peace to this isle! May we build bridges through healthy dialogue and getting to know one another!
[quote][p][bold]Darwen Trotter[/bold] wrote: @lawlesschat and side kick. Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person. Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end. Tut Tut ![/p][/quote]One thing that isn't clear my fellow Darrener is would be the 'side kick'? Ha! I didn't realise that I had one. On that pleasant note, enough said here by me. To everyone on here, peace to you all and peace to this isle! May we build bridges through healthy dialogue and getting to know one another! Lawlesschat

9:53am Thu 13 Jun 13

Darwen Trotter says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Darwen Trotter wrote:
@lawlesschat and side kick.

Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person.
Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end.
Tut Tut !
One thing that isn't clear my fellow Darrener is would be the 'side kick'?

Ha! I didn't realise that I had one.

On that pleasant note, enough said here by me.

To everyone on here, peace to you all and peace to this isle! May we build bridges through healthy dialogue and getting to know one another!
The side kick I was referring to was Saj 143, he seemed to join in halve way through.

Alas, I also have a childish side that surfaces all to often and after reading your reply I do understand the reasons for some of your comments.

I think the reason I commented was the quality of subject matter diminished rapidly and left me wanting more to be honest.

Peace and goodwill to all men (and women).
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darwen Trotter[/bold] wrote: @lawlesschat and side kick. Whilst at work (and working really hard) I read all the comments on this story, you started off being humble, informative, understanding and came across as a well educated, tolerant and mindful kind of person. Then after answering questions and debating comments which I thought you handled very well, you proceeded to down grade your tolerance to that of a spoilt little rich child, who thinks he is holier than thou. I admit some of the comments you had to deal with, where delivered with a close minded attitude and left wanting in content. But you should read back some of your comments, they are full of insults and delivered with a pompous, arrogant tone, that to be truthful with you, you only get from children. I do admire your stance, but you lost the plot towards the end. Tut Tut ![/p][/quote]One thing that isn't clear my fellow Darrener is would be the 'side kick'? Ha! I didn't realise that I had one. On that pleasant note, enough said here by me. To everyone on here, peace to you all and peace to this isle! May we build bridges through healthy dialogue and getting to know one another![/p][/quote]The side kick I was referring to was Saj 143, he seemed to join in halve way through. Alas, I also have a childish side that surfaces all to often and after reading your reply I do understand the reasons for some of your comments. I think the reason I commented was the quality of subject matter diminished rapidly and left me wanting more to be honest. Peace and goodwill to all men (and women). Darwen Trotter

2:17pm Thu 13 Jun 13

kellabee says...

Stone Island: wrote:
doggydog wrote:
all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these!
It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.
strange that the guy fabricated it all. you read todays paper?
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydog[/bold] wrote: all to often this thing occurs but the word racism never appears does it?Will they be caught? Doubt it. Scumbags and real hard children these![/p][/quote]It would only be deemed a racist attack, if it was a gang of whites that attacked a lone Asian. Racism only seems to work one way; strange that.[/p][/quote]strange that the guy fabricated it all. you read todays paper? kellabee

2:18pm Thu 13 Jun 13

kellabee says...

asiancare wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
martra1964 wrote:
That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.
My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening.
A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man.
A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping.
A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug.
This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home.
Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.
well quoted.!!! but its still not gonna sink in with these thickos no matter how hard you try. thats all they have left to do in there sad jealous bigotted lives.
I am also guessing they will ignore todays paper which states the guy fabricated it and has been fined for wasting police time as no such attack took place
[quote][p][bold]asiancare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martra1964[/bold] wrote: That's funny ,my friends son was beaten up by an Asian gang 6 months ago in the same area.[/p][/quote]My dad was beaten up by white gang took his wallet and suffered a facial injury in the town centre walking toward the bus station at 7pm in the evening. A middle age Asian man who owns a travel business was attacked and mugged in broad day light by a young male white man. A young Asian student was stabbed to death on a train platform on his way to Manchester for shopping. A young Indian University Student was shot dead in Manchester by white male thug. This young white teenager was beaten up by Asian gangs on his way home. Thugs come in every colour White,Asian and Blacks , the meaning of thugs is Violent person.It's not about racism , these thugs just enjoy beating people up and sometime mug people.[/p][/quote]well quoted.!!! but its still not gonna sink in with these thickos no matter how hard you try. thats all they have left to do in there sad jealous bigotted lives.[/p][/quote]I am also guessing they will ignore todays paper which states the guy fabricated it and has been fined for wasting police time as no such attack took place kellabee

2:21pm Thu 13 Jun 13

kellabee says...

pdb951 wrote:
Why is this not headlined racist attack?
I am sick and tired of the one way reporting by this news paper. If these savages were white it would be instantly reported as a racist attack.
You can not have it both ways LT! People are getting increasingly frustrated and I predict it will boil up at some stage, if only because the truth is known but suppressed.
As for not reporting the ethnicity of the victim, why have you not done so LT?
Might have stopped so speculation.
This newspaper is severely unbalanced and should be made to come clean or close!
We want the truth not some twisted garbage made to suit the few who will not integrate.
errm because he made it all up, check todays paper
[quote][p][bold]pdb951[/bold] wrote: Why is this not headlined racist attack? I am sick and tired of the one way reporting by this news paper. If these savages were white it would be instantly reported as a racist attack. You can not have it both ways LT! People are getting increasingly frustrated and I predict it will boil up at some stage, if only because the truth is known but suppressed. As for not reporting the ethnicity of the victim, why have you not done so LT? Might have stopped so speculation. This newspaper is severely unbalanced and should be made to come clean or close! We want the truth not some twisted garbage made to suit the few who will not integrate.[/p][/quote]errm because he made it all up, check todays paper kellabee

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