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Calls for A556 speed limit to be reduced

Lancashire Telegraph: Calls for A556 speed limit to be reduced Calls for A556 speed limit to be reduced

AN INVESTIGATION has begun into whether the speed limit should be reduced on the A556 through Northwich.

Northwich Town Council has asked police and highways officers to consider cutting the 70mph speed limit following the death of motorcyclist Sean Foden after a crash on the dual carriageway on May 7.

Speaking at the latest Northwich Town Council meeting Clr Derek Bowden said the council is waiting for a reply from Cheshire Police and Cheshire West and Chester Council (CWAC).

“Unfortunately the indication is that there isn’t enough evidence of it being dangerous for the big step of reducing a major highway speed limit,” he said.

“We should wait perhaps a month to see what the official response is and if they say there’s not enough grounds for a change, then decide whether we should become more active and contact local parish councils.”

Clr Kevin Rimmer said: “When is enough enough, as in fatalities, before something is done?

“It should not be stacked up against dead bodies.”

Former mayor Clr George Mainwaring said highways officers needed to consider a number of factors before making any decisions.

“When I used to be on county highways there was a set procedure,” he said.

“Every accident is recorded and they won’t respond immediately.

“They have to take all conditions into account but where there’s accidents on a certain stretch of road it’s an ongoing process to build up the evidence.”

Northwich Town Council agreed to wait for the official response before deciding whether to start an official campaign.

  • Should the speed limit on the A556 be reduced? What do you think? Leave your comments below.

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12:39pm Mon 10 Jun 13

UsernameAlreadyInUse says...

Same old bloody response.

Cutting the speed limit won't get rid of incompetent idiots* or speed freaks. Stop penalising those who can drive sensibly and pandering to the minority.


*Yes, I'm talking about the idiots who drive towards the speed cameras at 60, see the white lines on the road, and slam on the brakes down to 50, despite the speed limit being 70 - why they aren't done for driving without due care and attention is beyond me...
Same old bloody response. Cutting the speed limit won't get rid of incompetent idiots* or speed freaks. Stop penalising those who can drive sensibly and pandering to the minority. *Yes, I'm talking about the idiots who drive towards the speed cameras at 60, see the white lines on the road, and slam on the brakes down to 50, despite the speed limit being 70 - why they aren't done for driving without due care and attention is beyond me... UsernameAlreadyInUse
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12:59pm Mon 10 Jun 13

gregory123 says...

The A556 is at the bottom of my garden and the speed the cars go past is terrifying, particularly motorbikes when there is an event at Oulton park. Bikers are renowned for speeding between the round tower at Sandiway and Davenham roundabout. There are some tricky bits of road to navigate and it's easy to lose control unless you know the road. Even if you're going at the legal limit! It's 40 mph through Sandiway and I strongly believe it should be the same until you get past Davenham roundabout. How many people have to die before something is done?
The A556 is at the bottom of my garden and the speed the cars go past is terrifying, particularly motorbikes when there is an event at Oulton park. Bikers are renowned for speeding between the round tower at Sandiway and Davenham roundabout. There are some tricky bits of road to navigate and it's easy to lose control unless you know the road. Even if you're going at the legal limit! It's 40 mph through Sandiway and I strongly believe it should be the same until you get past Davenham roundabout. How many people have to die before something is done? gregory123
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1:29pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Carlos99 says...

The speed should NOT be cut. I use the road (in particular the bend at Davenham) every day. It is perfectly safe AT 70MPH. Its ALWAYS motorcyclists that are killed on this road...and how many do we all see every day (especially when its nice weather), doing well in excess of the speed limit (some over 100mph easily). Put speed cameras all along this route, they will soon stop using it as a race track! As they do the same down the A559 through Hartford at the weekend....which is a 30mph road!! Idiots!!
The speed should NOT be cut. I use the road (in particular the bend at Davenham) every day. It is perfectly safe AT 70MPH. Its ALWAYS motorcyclists that are killed on this road...and how many do we all see every day (especially when its nice weather), doing well in excess of the speed limit (some over 100mph easily). Put speed cameras all along this route, they will soon stop using it as a race track! As they do the same down the A559 through Hartford at the weekend....which is a 30mph road!! Idiots!! Carlos99
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Calvin Yates says...

Agree with other about speed limits not being reduced, why because of a crash should they be reduced. Speed in general is not the problem it people driving stupidly and not knowing the laws, the amount of people braking to 60 at the speed camera between Davenham and Rudheath i am surprised there are not more accidents and this is because of basically reducing too much speed because they don't know the laws of the road. After a long time living in Italy i thought coming back to the UK driving would be so much more relaxing in reality there are far too many drivers theses days who really don't know where they should be on the road, that they have indicators and the highway code. This is what should be looked at not speed limits.
Agree with other about speed limits not being reduced, why because of a crash should they be reduced. Speed in general is not the problem it people driving stupidly and not knowing the laws, the amount of people braking to 60 at the speed camera between Davenham and Rudheath i am surprised there are not more accidents and this is because of basically reducing too much speed because they don't know the laws of the road. After a long time living in Italy i thought coming back to the UK driving would be so much more relaxing in reality there are far too many drivers theses days who really don't know where they should be on the road, that they have indicators and the highway code. This is what should be looked at not speed limits. Calvin Yates
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Mon 10 Jun 13

northwich_cyclist says...

Enforce the current limits, instead of adding yet another sign to the existing jungle.
Enforce the current limits, instead of adding yet another sign to the existing jungle. northwich_cyclist
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Mon 10 Jun 13

Jack Hay says...

Completely agree. There have been too many reduced speed limits in the last few years across Cheshire. Speed is easy to measure so people focus on it, but this misses the point - it's muddled thinking. Speed doesn't actually cause accidents, it's bad driving that causes accidents. We need to find ways of teaching people better driving behaviour. A lower speed limit doesn't deter the lawbreaker who causes an accident. But it does makes journeys take longer for everybody else. We need to remember that the primary purpose of roads is efficient transport.
Completely agree. There have been too many reduced speed limits in the last few years across Cheshire. Speed is easy to measure so people focus on it, but this misses the point - it's muddled thinking. Speed doesn't actually cause accidents, it's bad driving that causes accidents. We need to find ways of teaching people better driving behaviour. A lower speed limit doesn't deter the lawbreaker who causes an accident. But it does makes journeys take longer for everybody else. We need to remember that the primary purpose of roads is efficient transport. Jack Hay
  • Score: -1

9:12am Tue 11 Jun 13

basilcat says...

The condition of the road surface is extremely poor on the approach to Davenham roundabout from Hartford. It is so rough, even approaching at legal speeds one needs to take extra caution to compensate for the lack of decent road. Things like this need rectifying before starting restrict speed limits. The whole purpose of this road was a high speed by-pass to save having to traverse Northwich town centre.
The condition of the road surface is extremely poor on the approach to Davenham roundabout from Hartford. It is so rough, even approaching at legal speeds one needs to take extra caution to compensate for the lack of decent road. Things like this need rectifying before starting restrict speed limits. The whole purpose of this road was a high speed by-pass to save having to traverse Northwich town centre. basilcat
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12:50pm Tue 11 Jun 13

GOFFY says...

If we start to reduce speed limits every time there is a fatality on a road how long would it be before we are all travelling at 20 mph on dual carriageways and motorways. Speed does cause accidents this is because in the main some of those driving cars or riding motorbikes do not have the skill or capability of riding at speed or know the capability of the machine they are driving or riding.
I have ridden motorbikes since I was 16 and cars since I was 20 and in the past 40 years I have not had an accident that was my fault or fell off my motorbikes,and this is because I do not over estimate my ability to ride or drive. Reducing speed limits will not stop people being killed on our roads, stiffer tests for cars and motorbikes will do that along with much harder theory test.
If we start to reduce speed limits every time there is a fatality on a road how long would it be before we are all travelling at 20 mph on dual carriageways and motorways. Speed does cause accidents this is because in the main some of those driving cars or riding motorbikes do not have the skill or capability of riding at speed or know the capability of the machine they are driving or riding. I have ridden motorbikes since I was 16 and cars since I was 20 and in the past 40 years I have not had an accident that was my fault or fell off my motorbikes,and this is because I do not over estimate my ability to ride or drive. Reducing speed limits will not stop people being killed on our roads, stiffer tests for cars and motorbikes will do that along with much harder theory test. GOFFY
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Tue 11 Jun 13

John_Harrison says...

It could go either way to be honest.

There are some tricky junctions on that stretch of road and in all fairness, dropping the speed limit to 50mph would make the road safer.

However, if I can drive comfortably down dark, windy country lanes in the rain at 60mph you'd think it would be easy to drive safely at 70mph on a big, wide, mainly straight piece of road specifically designed for 70mph traffic.

Dropping the speed limit WILL save lives - it's a no brainer.

More to the point though... people taking care, driving sensibly, not getting too close to the car in front and thinking ahead could save thousands of lives... and it costs nothing!!

We all make mistakes and misjudge distances and speed when driving/riding - some of us are just luckier than others, and sadly some of the unlucky ones don't get to tell their side of the story.
It could go either way to be honest. There are some tricky junctions on that stretch of road and in all fairness, dropping the speed limit to 50mph would make the road safer. However, if I can drive comfortably down dark, windy country lanes in the rain at 60mph you'd think it would be easy to drive safely at 70mph on a big, wide, mainly straight piece of road specifically designed for 70mph traffic. Dropping the speed limit WILL save lives - it's a no brainer. More to the point though... people taking care, driving sensibly, not getting too close to the car in front and thinking ahead could save thousands of lives... and it costs nothing!! We all make mistakes and misjudge distances and speed when driving/riding - some of us are just luckier than others, and sadly some of the unlucky ones don't get to tell their side of the story. John_Harrison
  • Score: -1

8:51pm Tue 11 Jun 13

INEEDTOSAYTHIS says...

THINK BIKE ! the road signs say but the bike riders don't think ! decreasing the speed limit will not stop the speed freaks,and that includes foolish car drivers too !
THINK BIKE ! the road signs say but the bike riders don't think ! decreasing the speed limit will not stop the speed freaks,and that includes foolish car drivers too ! INEEDTOSAYTHIS
  • Score: 1

10:41am Wed 12 Jun 13

GrumpyBum says...

Whilst my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one due to a road traffic accident, it is a ridiculous idea to reduce the speed limit every time there is an accident. The danger spots have reduced limits/ speedcameras already.

If we keep reducing the limit when there is an accident they may as well close the road system down because you would be quicker walking.

There are drivers and bikers alike out there that have no sense, you can see them as an accident waiting to happen. The town centre has a 30mph speed limit remember, yet there is often boy racers flying up chesterway at 50+

Where there is a limit there will always be someone breaking it, all this will do is bring in a bit more revenue from speeding fines, the idiots (im not calling those in accidents idiots to be clear here) will still drive the same way and have the same outcome.
Whilst my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one due to a road traffic accident, it is a ridiculous idea to reduce the speed limit every time there is an accident. The danger spots have reduced limits/ speedcameras already. If we keep reducing the limit when there is an accident they may as well close the road system down because you would be quicker walking. There are drivers and bikers alike out there that have no sense, you can see them as an accident waiting to happen. The town centre has a 30mph speed limit remember, yet there is often boy racers flying up chesterway at 50+ Where there is a limit there will always be someone breaking it, all this will do is bring in a bit more revenue from speeding fines, the idiots (im not calling those in accidents idiots to be clear here) will still drive the same way and have the same outcome. GrumpyBum
  • Score: 1

10:55am Wed 12 Jun 13

AntiNimby says...

Dropping the speed limit won't make any difference. Most accidents are not caused by speed. Often an assumption is made that fatalities are because of speed when it may have been another driver/some other cause. For example
driving without due care and attention is often recorded as speed related. Resulting in calls for reduction in limits when the limit did not cause the accident.

If they are speed related (and statistically most aren't) they happen because the speed limit isn't being inforced so some individuals do far in excess of it, Cameras can cause as many accidents as they prevent. We need a visable police presence. How often do you see a traffic officer these days?

Moreover 70mph in a modern car is far safer than it was 25 yrs ago in cars with rubbish brakes, tyres etc. Accident rates are at an all time low, but there will always be some accidents.
Dropping the speed limit won't make any difference. Most accidents are not caused by speed. Often an assumption is made that fatalities are because of speed when it may have been another driver/some other cause. For example driving without due care and attention is often recorded as speed related. Resulting in calls for reduction in limits when the limit did not cause the accident. If they are speed related (and statistically most aren't) they happen because the speed limit isn't being inforced so some individuals do far in excess of it, Cameras can cause as many accidents as they prevent. We need a visable police presence. How often do you see a traffic officer these days? Moreover 70mph in a modern car is far safer than it was 25 yrs ago in cars with rubbish brakes, tyres etc. Accident rates are at an all time low, but there will always be some accidents. AntiNimby
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Wed 12 Jun 13

nicksey says...

The speed limit does not need to be changed.

Road conditions need to be taken into account and common sense used. If it is wet or icy, then the individual driver needs to drive more slowly than they would if it wasn''t. If visibility is an issue, either fog or after dark they need to drive differently than they would in clear daylight.

Reducing the speed limit would only penalise those who drive carefully, those that speed and/or drive without care and attention would probably ignore the reduced speed limit.

Sadly accidents do happen, but the driver needs to take responsibility for being in control of their vehicle and drive according to the conditions and other traffic around them.

The speed limit itself should not be blamed whenever an accident occurs, if conditions on a particular day don't support driving at 70, then the driver should make the decision to slow down.

Disaponting to read the crass, poorly considered comments from the increasingly publicity hungry Clr Rimmer.
The speed limit does not need to be changed. Road conditions need to be taken into account and common sense used. If it is wet or icy, then the individual driver needs to drive more slowly than they would if it wasn''t. If visibility is an issue, either fog or after dark they need to drive differently than they would in clear daylight. Reducing the speed limit would only penalise those who drive carefully, those that speed and/or drive without care and attention would probably ignore the reduced speed limit. Sadly accidents do happen, but the driver needs to take responsibility for being in control of their vehicle and drive according to the conditions and other traffic around them. The speed limit itself should not be blamed whenever an accident occurs, if conditions on a particular day don't support driving at 70, then the driver should make the decision to slow down. Disaponting to read the crass, poorly considered comments from the increasingly publicity hungry Clr Rimmer. nicksey
  • Score: 1

8:08pm Wed 12 Jun 13

ILoveCWCC says...

It's just like the traffic lights camera put up on the top of kelsall hill, will this camera stop the stupid idiots running a red and having a head on crash, or does it mean when they do the police will get a few more ££ at the same time.

how about catching all these people that drive around a 45-50mph as they are to busy on the phone.
It's just like the traffic lights camera put up on the top of kelsall hill, will this camera stop the stupid idiots running a red and having a head on crash, or does it mean when they do the police will get a few more ££ at the same time. how about catching all these people that drive around a 45-50mph as they are to busy on the phone. ILoveCWCC
  • Score: 1

9:47am Thu 13 Jun 13

YamBiker says...

I agree with ILOVECWCC - focus on the idiots who have one speed of 40-45mph whether in a 30,40,50,60 or 70 limit.
This is a good road, with a suitable speed limit.
It is the quality of Driving/Riding that needs attention
I agree with ILOVECWCC - focus on the idiots who have one speed of 40-45mph whether in a 30,40,50,60 or 70 limit. This is a good road, with a suitable speed limit. It is the quality of Driving/Riding that needs attention YamBiker
  • Score: 1

3:08pm Sat 15 Jun 13

retepmcc says...

I see the tired old arguments about speed not being the cause of accidents and while the point may be debatable at best there is no doubt how fast a car is going has the potential to make any accident a lot worse.

I regard myself as a decent driver and I'm sure a lot of people commenting feel the same way, I like to drive quickly when the conditions allow but will acknowledge that I am not perfect and can make mistakes.

Any driver will make mistakes particularly when they are getting close to the limits of their experience and ability, are not concentrating enough or are tired or even just not feeling 100%, While modern cars are much safer than cars once were even relatively recently, they also tend to be more powerful and better handling. The problem with this is it takes a lot more to reach the limits of what the car can do than it does to reach the limits of the vast majority of drivers on the roads today so speed again potentially becomes a major factor in accident outcomes.

A simple fact that cannot be denied of course is that any driver has less time to react the faster they are travelling so this would be a good argument for reduced speed limits or better training. I'm likely in a minority who believes it is far too easy to get a driving licence and drive whatever you like. We don't allow untrained drivers to drive HGVs (or whatever they are called these days) or buses or pilots to fly without extensive training so why should someone be able to pass a driving test and then buy a car that can do 0-60 in the blink of an eye, a top speed somewhere on the far side of light speed and go around corners like a fighter jet? I don't for a minute believe the car companies and their "lobbyists" would allow this but drivers should undertake much more extensive training and be "rated" depending on their ability which would then dictate the vehicles they can operate.

I know it's a bit of a ramble but I have always driven as part of my working life and while I don't do the extensive miles I once did some of the driving I see on the roads genuinely scares me. Most of it is simply due to lack of training and awareness of what will happen when it all goes wrong. Keep the speed limit but if you really want to go fast go to a track.
I see the tired old arguments about speed not being the cause of accidents and while the point may be debatable at best there is no doubt how fast a car is going has the potential to make any accident a lot worse. I regard myself as a decent driver and I'm sure a lot of people commenting feel the same way, I like to drive quickly when the conditions allow but will acknowledge that I am not perfect and can make mistakes. Any driver will make mistakes particularly when they are getting close to the limits of their experience and ability, are not concentrating enough or are tired or even just not feeling 100%, While modern cars are much safer than cars once were even relatively recently, they also tend to be more powerful and better handling. The problem with this is it takes a lot more to reach the limits of what the car can do than it does to reach the limits of the vast majority of drivers on the roads today so speed again potentially becomes a major factor in accident outcomes. A simple fact that cannot be denied of course is that any driver has less time to react the faster they are travelling so this would be a good argument for reduced speed limits or better training. I'm likely in a minority who believes it is far too easy to get a driving licence and drive whatever you like. We don't allow untrained drivers to drive HGVs (or whatever they are called these days) or buses or pilots to fly without extensive training so why should someone be able to pass a driving test and then buy a car that can do 0-60 in the blink of an eye, a top speed somewhere on the far side of light speed and go around corners like a fighter jet? I don't for a minute believe the car companies and their "lobbyists" would allow this but drivers should undertake much more extensive training and be "rated" depending on their ability which would then dictate the vehicles they can operate. I know it's a bit of a ramble but I have always driven as part of my working life and while I don't do the extensive miles I once did some of the driving I see on the roads genuinely scares me. Most of it is simply due to lack of training and awareness of what will happen when it all goes wrong. Keep the speed limit but if you really want to go fast go to a track. retepmcc
  • Score: -1

10:37am Thu 4 Jul 13

go99an says...

In my opinion, the cause of the accident was due to the deeply eroded road surface at the seam between the two eastbound lanes towards the end of the bend. As a motorcyclist myself I have had a very close call - whilst riding perfectly sensibly at about 60mph!! - when my tyres caught in this rut whilst changing lanes and almost flipped my bike over. The condition of the roads in Cheshire is appalling and instead of wasting funds changing the speed limit, we should be asking the council to improve the quality of the roads. I would also advocate spending the money wasted on pointless 'XX number of deaths' signs on real safety such as quality roads.
Speed was almost certainly not the cause, the deep rut between the lanes just before the crash site was!
In my opinion, the cause of the accident was due to the deeply eroded road surface at the seam between the two eastbound lanes towards the end of the bend. As a motorcyclist myself I have had a very close call - whilst riding perfectly sensibly at about 60mph!! - when my tyres caught in this rut whilst changing lanes and almost flipped my bike over. The condition of the roads in Cheshire is appalling and instead of wasting funds changing the speed limit, we should be asking the council to improve the quality of the roads. I would also advocate spending the money wasted on pointless 'XX number of deaths' signs on real safety such as quality roads. Speed was almost certainly not the cause, the deep rut between the lanes just before the crash site was! go99an
  • Score: 1

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