Horsemeat found in halal burgers at Lancashire schools

10:51am Tuesday 26th February 2013 in News Photograph of the Author By Bill Jacobs, Local government reporter

PROCESSED beef meals have been dropped from all Lancashire County Council schools after horse meat was found in halal beefburgers.

It is the second time horse DNA has been found in a beef product fed to children in schools supplied by the authority in two weeks.

Last night, as county leader Geoff Driver claimed decisive action had been taken over the ‘frankly appalling’ discovery, the Lancashire Council of Mosques called for him to resign.

They warned Muslim pupils to take packed lunches instead of eating any school dinners.

The discovery affected halal frozen beefburgers supplied to four unnamed secondary schools in the county.

It followed the announcement on February 14 that tests had found horse DNA in a pre-prepared cottage pie supplied to 47 of the authority’s primary schools .

Coun Driver said the discovery of the contamination came because the county was one of the few councils in the country able and willing to properly test its frozen beef products.

All the affected schools have been contacted and informed.

Coun Driver said: “I hope that parents and children can be reassured by the advice that this isn’t a food safety issue. However it is frankly appalling that we have found horsemeat in two products which were supposedly 100 per cent beef.

"These products came from manufacturers who not only carry all the correct certification but who also recently provided us with written assurances their products did not contain horsemeat.”

Blackburn councillor Salim Mulla, chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques and Blackburn with Darwen, said he was extremely angry at the discovery.

He said the authority should never have dropped Blackburn-based halal supplier KQF Foods in October for four new suppliers which did not meet the Council of Mosques procedures for certifying meat in accordance with Islamic Law.

Thousands of Muslim schoolchildren in 68 Lancashire County Council schools, including 45 in Burnley, Pendle, Hyndburn and Rossendale and five schools in Blackburn and Darwen, are supplied with halal products through the county’s central catering unit.

Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace.

“I think Coun Driver should resign and heads should roll among the officers in the county council.

“We cannot trust what they say. We warned about this in October when they dropped KQF and asked them to ensure their suppliers followed our code of Halal practice which ensures a clear supply chain from slaughterhouse to plate. They ignored us.

“They have let down not only Muslim schoolchildren but children of all faiths in Lancashire by supplying meals that are contaminated with horsemeat.

“I shall now be recommending all Muslim families to send their children to school with a packed lunch.”

Pendle councillor Eileen Ansar backed him saying: “I am disgusted. We warned the county council about this in October. After they found the horsemeat in cottage pies two weeks ago they should have acted.

“I think Coun Driver should consider resigning. We can’t trust a word the county council says about what is in their school meals.”

Coun Driver said: "I share the anger of Muslim parents. We all have a right to trust that the food we eat is what we believe it to be.

"However this issue goes beyond the supply of halal meat and affects the processed food industry as a whole.

"There is absolutely nothing at all to suggest that had we followed the Lancashire Council of Mosques' demands this could have been avoided.

“We were forced to change halal food suppliers last year precisely because the supplier we previously used, which was insisted upon by the LCM, failed to provide adequate assurances about the source and shelf life of its products."

Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM, said: “There is some doubt as to whether horsemeat is Halal or not but we have no doubt that any horsemeat in these burgers will not have been prepared in accordance with Islamic law. This would not have happened if the county had kept KQF as its supplier of halal meat.”

KQF of George West Street, Blackburn, had no comment to make.

  • An earlier version of this story mentioned the European Halal Development Agency. They have asked us to point out that no food products involved in the current horsemeat controversy involving Lancashire County Council are supplied by them.

Comments (34)

11:13am Tue 26 Feb 13

district01 says...

Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace.

To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven!

If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong? district01

11:26am Tue 26 Feb 13

Sham says...

Big issue and need some serious work.....
Big issue and need some serious work..... Sham

11:29am Tue 26 Feb 13

Sham says...

Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....
Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there..... Sham

11:55am Tue 26 Feb 13

moh says...

district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?
become vegetarian.
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?[/p][/quote]become vegetarian. moh

11:56am Tue 26 Feb 13

shytalk says...

Quite simple. Don't put halal meat in school dnners
Quite simple. Don't put halal meat in school dnners shytalk

12:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mys says...

What do the council expect when there buying the cheapest,cut backs to save money for there own pockets mmm,we pay enough money for school dinners that are supposed to be healthy,what else is going to come to light makes you wonder,give your kids packed lunches at least you know what there eating.
What do the council expect when there buying the cheapest,cut backs to save money for there own pockets mmm,we pay enough money for school dinners that are supposed to be healthy,what else is going to come to light makes you wonder,give your kids packed lunches at least you know what there eating. mys

12:47pm Tue 26 Feb 13

district01 says...

moh wrote:
district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?
become vegetarian.
I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!
[quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?[/p][/quote]become vegetarian.[/p][/quote]I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either? To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over! district01

12:48pm Tue 26 Feb 13

jack daniels says...

It may come as a surprise to some but eating non-halal meat will not kill or harm muslims

- I've tried - it didn't ;0)

The ONLY issue here is the mis-labelling of food; something we are all unhappy about, not just our muslim neighbours.

Keep up the good, sorry, average work county leader Geoff Driver, and don't forget that nobody voted in this 'so-called' council of mosques (or is it a pressure group??), so please feel free to ignore them in the continuation of your democratic duties.
It may come as a surprise to some but eating non-halal meat will not kill or harm muslims - I've tried - it didn't ;0) The ONLY issue here is the mis-labelling of food; something we are all unhappy about, not just our muslim neighbours. Keep up the good, sorry, average work county leader Geoff Driver, and don't forget that nobody voted in this 'so-called' council of mosques (or is it a pressure group??), so please feel free to ignore them in the continuation of your democratic duties. jack daniels

1:00pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

district01 wrote:
moh wrote:
district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?
become vegetarian.
I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!
How would you go about 'proving' any faith topic?
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?[/p][/quote]become vegetarian.[/p][/quote]I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either? To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over![/p][/quote]How would you go about 'proving' any faith topic? sen c b l

1:30pm Tue 26 Feb 13

buckoff says...

Is this a secret ploy by the council to save on free school meals. At last the council have come up with a clever idea. Just scrap the halal meat at schools save a fortune in free meals.
Is this a secret ploy by the council to save on free school meals. At last the council have come up with a clever idea. Just scrap the halal meat at schools save a fortune in free meals. buckoff

2:16pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Noiticer says...

Thirty years ago burgers didn't feature on most school dinner menus nor did most of the other processed junk as the food was prepared in the kitchens or supplied from a central kitchen. During the cutbacks of the Thatcher Government all that changed with disastrous results in terms of quality and provision and despite some improvements under the last Labour Government the downward spiral has continued. When will we learn?
Thirty years ago burgers didn't feature on most school dinner menus nor did most of the other processed junk as the food was prepared in the kitchens or supplied from a central kitchen. During the cutbacks of the Thatcher Government all that changed with disastrous results in terms of quality and provision and despite some improvements under the last Labour Government the downward spiral has continued. When will we learn? Noiticer

2:21pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mavrick says...

If it is certified halal meat then questions need to be asked of the Muslim butchers supplying the meat. Halal is a cruel way to slaughter any animal and should be outlawed in this country. As for blaming LCC for this mess I suggest cllr Mulla does his home work. LCC should drop halal meat from it's menu and not return to it. Eating non halal won't either. Perhaps it could be called cultural integration.
If it is certified halal meat then questions need to be asked of the Muslim butchers supplying the meat. Halal is a cruel way to slaughter any animal and should be outlawed in this country. As for blaming LCC for this mess I suggest cllr Mulla does his home work. LCC should drop halal meat from it's menu and not return to it. Eating non halal won't either. Perhaps it could be called cultural integration. mavrick

5:07pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mixmaster says...

let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us mixmaster

5:09pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mixmaster says...

let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us mixmaster

5:16pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Venomp says...

What more can any1 say apart from its Halal
What more can any1 say apart from its Halal Venomp

5:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mixmaster says...

Sham wrote:
Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....
telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community
[quote][p][bold]Sham[/bold] wrote: Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....[/p][/quote]telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community mixmaster

7:40pm Tue 26 Feb 13

amanda69 says...

im not racist or ewt but its just not the muslims thats afected the english kids also are affected so y not say ALL children whose parents that are bothered to send kids in with packed lunches as im a mother aswell and my kids go to a muslim based school and eat halal meat so im arguing this because they dont eat normal meat which i think we shud av a choice if english kids can eat non halal meat in schools horse dna has been found in different foods we ALL are affected i think its wrong to single out people because to me its racist to the english and muslims wud protest if we sed exact same
im not racist or ewt but its just not the muslims thats afected the english kids also are affected so y not say ALL children whose parents that are bothered to send kids in with packed lunches as im a mother aswell and my kids go to a muslim based school and eat halal meat so im arguing this because they dont eat normal meat which i think we shud av a choice if english kids can eat non halal meat in schools horse dna has been found in different foods we ALL are affected i think its wrong to single out people because to me its racist to the english and muslims wud protest if we sed exact same amanda69

7:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

mixmaster wrote:
Sham wrote:
Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....
telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community
Ignore the jeal. Comments such as this only shows signs of envy and no doubt was 'booned' by KQF!!!
[quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sham[/bold] wrote: Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....[/p][/quote]telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community[/p][/quote]Ignore the jeal. Comments such as this only shows signs of envy and no doubt was 'booned' by KQF!!! sen c b l

8:51pm Tue 26 Feb 13

georgethebrave says...

It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!
It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble! georgethebrave

8:57pm Tue 26 Feb 13

amanda69 says...

which is sooo wrong
which is sooo wrong amanda69

9:01pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

district01 wrote:
moh wrote:
district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?
become vegetarian.
I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!
Meat should be outlawed altogether regardless whether it is slaughtered according to Kosher or Halal beliefs or even stunned prior to being slaughtered.
To stun an animal, would be in comparision to using a mallet on the animal then cutting it to pieces, self believing that all is in accordance to showing love to the animal by causing it no pain. Total lunatics in perfect fashion.
The importance of draining blood from an animal by Kosher or Halal procedure, preventing the blood remaining within the animal as it would cause extreme harm when consumed and more importantly a quick loss of blood pressure and the brain instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain. Scientific research confirms this to be an accurate analysis and government officials are reluctant in banning Halal and Kosher rituals. Some would argue this to be barbaric.
So either way ban it altogether, because true animal lovers, infact vegetarians would see no difference between the 'two' parties regardless what procedure is used to see the animal on the dinner plates.
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?[/p][/quote]become vegetarian.[/p][/quote]I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either? To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over![/p][/quote]Meat should be outlawed altogether regardless whether it is slaughtered according to Kosher or Halal beliefs or even stunned prior to being slaughtered. To stun an animal, would be in comparision to using a mallet on the animal then cutting it to pieces, self believing that all is in accordance to showing love to the animal by causing it no pain. Total lunatics in perfect fashion. The importance of draining blood from an animal by Kosher or Halal procedure, preventing the blood remaining within the animal as it would cause extreme harm when consumed and more importantly a quick loss of blood pressure and the brain instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain. Scientific research confirms this to be an accurate analysis and government officials are reluctant in banning Halal and Kosher rituals. Some would argue this to be barbaric. So either way ban it altogether, because true animal lovers, infact vegetarians would see no difference between the 'two' parties regardless what procedure is used to see the animal on the dinner plates. sen c b l

9:04pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

georgethebrave wrote:
It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!
Shut up you total piece of ham flower.
[quote][p][bold]georgethebrave[/bold] wrote: It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble![/p][/quote]Shut up you total piece of ham flower. sen c b l

9:06pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sharonAccy says...

I'm curious to know which schools have halal meat, dare I assume CofE and RC schools don't !!!!
I'm curious to know which schools have halal meat, dare I assume CofE and RC schools don't !!!! sharonAccy

11:08pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mixmaster says...

As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.
As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious. mixmaster

8:18am Wed 27 Feb 13

Pearl neclesse says...

georgethebrave wrote:
It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!
Nothing that a swift swing with a lump of willow wouldn't solve.
[quote][p][bold]georgethebrave[/bold] wrote: It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble![/p][/quote]Nothing that a swift swing with a lump of willow wouldn't solve. Pearl neclesse

8:46am Wed 27 Feb 13

Lancs Lassie says...

NAY, not this again!!!!!!!!!
NAY, not this again!!!!!!!!! Lancs Lassie

9:53am Wed 27 Feb 13

georgethebrave says...

mixmaster wrote:
As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.
Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning?
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[quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.[/p][/quote]Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning? . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5Z_IA_ST mA0&feature=youtube_ gdata_player . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3T57OfoU vM8&feature=youtube_ gdata_player georgethebrave

12:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

georgethebrave wrote:
mixmaster wrote:
As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.
Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning?
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Nevermind how you personally regard Halal or Kosher slaughter, it is scientifically proven and a preferred method than stunning. If you 'animal lovers' are so concerned, abstain from meat consumption and whilst restraining yourself, also prevent yourself from nest pinching, because until then I will regard you and other of your chums as thieves for stealing eggs!!!
[quote][p][bold]georgethebrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.[/p][/quote]Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning? . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5Z_IA_ST mA0&feature=yout ube_ gdata_player . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3T57OfoU vM8&feature=yout ube_ gdata_player[/p][/quote]Nevermind how you personally regard Halal or Kosher slaughter, it is scientifically proven and a preferred method than stunning. If you 'animal lovers' are so concerned, abstain from meat consumption and whilst restraining yourself, also prevent yourself from nest pinching, because until then I will regard you and other of your chums as thieves for stealing eggs!!! sen c b l

12:22pm Wed 27 Feb 13

dean555 says...

I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!!
I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!! dean555

12:44pm Wed 27 Feb 13

jack daniels says...

georgethebrave wrote:
mixmaster wrote: As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.
Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning? . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5Z_IA_ST mA0&feature=yout
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which states that Dr Gibson and others found evidence that calves showed pain signals for up to 2 minutes when left conscious but disappeared when concussed.
[quote][p][bold]georgethebrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.[/p][/quote]Do you really think this is more humane and less painfull than stunning? . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5Z_IA_ST mA0&feature=yout ube_ gdata_player . https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3T57OfoU vM8&feature=yout ube_ gdata_player[/p][/quote]or http://www.rspca.org .uk/ImageLocator/Loc ateAsset?asset=docum ent&assetId=12327196 11043&mode=prd which states that Dr Gibson and others found evidence that calves showed pain signals for up to 2 minutes when left conscious but disappeared when concussed. jack daniels

2:11pm Wed 27 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

dean555 wrote:
I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!!
Or you could go to Israel and throw open your shirt buttons exposing your hairy chest.
How long will those thich growth remain as your chest wig, will soon become apparent!

Or you could emigrate to a more suitable surrounding!
[quote][p][bold]dean555[/bold] wrote: I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!![/p][/quote]Or you could go to Israel and throw open your shirt buttons exposing your hairy chest. How long will those thich growth remain as your chest wig, will soon become apparent! Or you could emigrate to a more suitable surrounding! sen c b l

4:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13

drunken donut says...

mixmaster wrote:
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us
Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.
[quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us[/p][/quote]Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school. drunken donut

5:56pm Wed 27 Feb 13

sen c b l says...

drunken donut wrote:
mixmaster wrote:
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us
Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.
What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]drunken donut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us[/p][/quote]Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.[/p][/quote]What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence. sen c b l

2:27pm Thu 28 Feb 13

jack daniels says...

sen c b l wrote:
drunken donut wrote:
mixmaster wrote: let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us
Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.
What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence.
well said Mr S
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drunken donut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mixmaster[/bold] wrote: let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us[/p][/quote]Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.[/p][/quote]What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence.[/p][/quote]well said Mr S jack daniels

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