Council tax shock for 27,000 of East Lancashire's poorest residents (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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Council tax shock for 27,000 of East Lancashire's poorest residents
10:30am Thursday 7th February 2013 in News
By Bill Jacobs, Local government reporter
UP to 27,000 of the poorest residents in East Lancashire will have to pay a council tax bill for the first time from April.
A change in Government rules means people who have previously qualified for a full discount will now have to find more than £4.5 million between them.
In the coming months they will be sent bills of between £69 and £200.
One leading councillor has warned that many people, both in and out of work, are going to find it ‘very hard to find this money which they just don’t have’.
And some experts have predicted four out of ten will be unable or unwilling to pay, saying it will have as big an effect as the poll tax.
At the same time around 90 per cent of the 270,000 householders in the area will see their bills for borough, Lancashire county, police and fire services rise by a tiny amount, as most local authorities seek to freeze council tax.
Pendle Tory MP Andrew Stephenson also said it was right that everyone paid something towards council services The change is because responsibility for paying council tax benefit has been transferred from the Department of Work and Pensions to borough councils who have been ordered to cut the total bill for discounted council tax.
Pensioners and some groups of vulnerable adults have been protected from any increase, but working age claimants will be forced to pay.
Pendle, Blackburn-with-Darwen and Hyndburn councils are to charge those of working age not in the vulnerable groups 20 per cent of their bills for the first time.
Burnley, Ribble Valley and Rossendale are to use a combination of reserves and extra government grant to limit the new bill to 8.5 per cent of the total Band A charge.
Chorley will charge seven per cent.
All seven district councils hope to freeze their council tax charges as does Lancashire county. The charge for police of £150 is set to rise by two per cent. The Fire Authority has yet to indicate its intentions.
- Pendle borough has opted for 20 per cent of their Band A council tax of at least £1,041.50 - more than £208. This will raise £720,000.
- Burnley will impose a new 8.5 per cent charge on 5,000 residents now getting the full Band A council tax of £1,052.67 paid. They will have to pay £89.42, raising £450,000.
- Rossendale will ask 2,550 claimants to find £89.25, 8.5 per cent of the Band A charge of £1,050.18 raising £225,000 income.
- Blackburn with Darwen will charge £197 a year; Hyndburn £206.80; Ribble Valley £83.95 and Chorley £69.
There will be small exceptional hardship payments for the very poorest.
Mohammed Iqbal, Labour group leader on Pendle Council, said: “This is going to hit a lot of people very hard.
“While we are hoping to freeze council tax for most residents in our borough, 4,483 are going to see a massive increase from nothing to more than £200.
“These are some of the poorest people in Pendle who have been protected and will have to pay council tax for the first time.”
Pendle Tory MP Andrew Stephenson said: “Whilst some people will find this new charge difficult to pay, it is entirely right that all people should pay something towards the services they receive from their local authorities. Pendle and other councils are putting in place exceptional hardships schemes to help the poorest people with these bills.”
Burnley Liberal Democrat MP Gordon Birtwistle said: “This is going to be hard for some people. When the Liberal Democrats were in charge of the borough we put money aside so no-one on full council tax benefit would have to pay. When Labour took over they spent the money on other things.”
Burnley borough resources chief councillor Mark Townsend said: “We are trying to do what we can to minimise any hardship but at the same time ensuring a fair and affordable council tax for everyone.”
Blackburn with Darwen Borough resources chief Coun Andy Kay said: “This change in council tax benefit will have as big an effect on the borough’s poorest residents as the poll tax. It may be very difficult to collect the money.”
Comments(86)
ganja man
says...
11:22am Thu 7 Feb 13
As for " I am out my depth" Pendle TORY MP, time to smell the coffee i think,
4,483 people here in Pendle who will go from having to pay £0 previously
to now having to pay £208
These are the POOREST people within Pendle!
As for hardship schemes they only help a very small amount of people with the limited funds they will have available.
Will The MP please give an approximation on this forum as to how many of the 4,483 people will be helped by the Hardship scheme?
Surely he has a duty to the electorate to give figures to substantiate his claims within this paper??
4,483 people affected and at least 10,000 votes against the TORY MP, and TORY MEP
Seems a trip to your local JobcentrePlus might be the order of the day come the next election so you too can experience their what people put up with on a daily basis
Shame on you both!
4,483 people here in Pendle who will go from having to pay £0 previously
to now having to pay £208
These are the POOREST people within Pendle!
As for hardship schemes they only help a very small amount of people with the limited funds they will have available.
Will The MP please give an approximation on this forum as to how many of the 4,483 people will be helped by the Hardship scheme?
Surely he has a duty to the electorate to give figures to substantiate his claims within this paper??
4,483 people affected and at least 10,000 votes against the TORY MP, and TORY MEP
Seems a trip to your local JobcentrePlus might be the order of the day come the next election so you too can experience their what people put up with on a daily basis
Shame on you both!
midas
says...
11:36am Thu 7 Feb 13
Oh dear thats 10 cigarettes a week they will have to contribute towards their upkeep! Perhaps having a stake in society may mean that some actually start to realise that everything isn't for free.
shytalk
says...
11:37am Thu 7 Feb 13
The prisons are going o be full of people with no money to pay council tax with.
Better let some child rapists and murderers out on parole to make room for them
Better let some child rapists and murderers out on parole to make room for them
hasslem hasslem
says...
11:45am Thu 7 Feb 13
midas wrote:shame on you midas - not your normal well balanced comments
Oh dear thats 10 cigarettes a week they will have to contribute towards their upkeep! Perhaps having a stake in society may mean that some actually start to realise that everything isn't for free.
BlackburnEyes
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11:48am Thu 7 Feb 13
shytalk wrote:they wont go to prison they will have their iphones,ipads,ipods and other fancy goods repossesed......lets hope that Blackburn council takes note and does the same
The prisons are going o be full of people with no money to pay council tax with. Better let some child rapists and murderers out on parole to make room for them
TONY WALES
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12:26pm Thu 7 Feb 13
ganja man wrote:By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott?
This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war.
It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of
-Ignorance
-Squalor
-Want
It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally.
This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories!
Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle.
As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find!
Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax?
All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.
Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each.
At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country.
All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP.
Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
barlickmafia
says...
12:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
barlickmafia
says...
12:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Hendog
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1:01pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Fair enough, plenty of people have gone through worse. £200 a year? Nothing really, probably a lot less than their iPhone contract. Presumabley most of these people live in council owned homes, granted rent is a separate issue but i'm sure we must foot the bill somehow.
Regardless of what spin they put on it i can't help but be happy with any reasonable attempt to make the people who escape most normal taxation have to pay.
The facts are that when Council Tax has risen the poorest havent fought my corner to contest the rises because it isnt their problem. I think i'll take the same standpoint and pay what i've always paid happy in the knowledge that a tiny bit more is going in too.
Regardless of what spin they put on it i can't help but be happy with any reasonable attempt to make the people who escape most normal taxation have to pay.
The facts are that when Council Tax has risen the poorest havent fought my corner to contest the rises because it isnt their problem. I think i'll take the same standpoint and pay what i've always paid happy in the knowledge that a tiny bit more is going in too.
norah bhatty
says...
1:07pm Thu 7 Feb 13
What a state this Country is in.
I don't know the criteria for being exempt from council tax, but I do know, that if, during your working life you try and save to make up the state pension, you are a fool as I have realised. I know people who have never worked, have no real savings, but never seem to be short of anything all thanks to income support, pension credit etc.
I would never begrudge people who really are on the breadline maybe through no fault of their own, but a feel a lot of people know how to milk the system to get benefits instead of going out to work.
I have never had the luxury of being a claimant, and no, we are not millionaires either. If we can't afford something, we don't get it and this has been our policy for years.
I had to go out to work, rain, hail or snow, and I sometimes wonder what it would have been like if I had stayed at home, watched others struggling to get to work in the knowledge that my 'wage' would be deposited into my bank account whilst I sat on my arse..
The best things for me, is that because I have never claimed any benefit, Cameron & Co cannot take any income from me , so I won't be losing any sleep wondering how I could replace the cut in benefits without actually doing a stroke of work.
I don't know the criteria for being exempt from council tax, but I do know, that if, during your working life you try and save to make up the state pension, you are a fool as I have realised. I know people who have never worked, have no real savings, but never seem to be short of anything all thanks to income support, pension credit etc.
I would never begrudge people who really are on the breadline maybe through no fault of their own, but a feel a lot of people know how to milk the system to get benefits instead of going out to work.
I have never had the luxury of being a claimant, and no, we are not millionaires either. If we can't afford something, we don't get it and this has been our policy for years.
I had to go out to work, rain, hail or snow, and I sometimes wonder what it would have been like if I had stayed at home, watched others struggling to get to work in the knowledge that my 'wage' would be deposited into my bank account whilst I sat on my arse..
The best things for me, is that because I have never claimed any benefit, Cameron & Co cannot take any income from me , so I won't be losing any sleep wondering how I could replace the cut in benefits without actually doing a stroke of work.
mavrick
says...
1:07pm Thu 7 Feb 13
barlickmafia wrote:I think you should do a fact finding mission and ignore the media hype that everyone on benefits is a scrounger, You have not shown one ounce of compassion for those who are worse off than you through no fault of their own. You ask why you pay over £1000 in council tax just to have your bins emptied. I suppose you don't flush the loo or let bath water out into the drains. I doubt if you use the library or other council services. These people as you put it who pay nothing use the most services, I wonder why that is? You need to realise that in this country we have a welfare system including the NHS that we all contribute to. I accept there people who are playing the system and should be reported and shamed. but you can not tar everyone with the same brush. If you don't like the system in this country feel free to leave.
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
prince of darkness
says...
1:21pm Thu 7 Feb 13
One other rise thats will hit us is the higher rise in Water charges. These are due to rise well over the cost of inflation. Nor are these charges uniform over the country. Just see who owns these water suppliers you will be supprised. So be warned about whats due.
BlackburnEyes
says...
1:36pm Thu 7 Feb 13
TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?
ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
doctor1970
says...
1:39pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Council tax was never a good idea in the first place. I get my bin emptied every 2 weeks, the drains never get unblocked that's all the services i get off the council. Let the government pay our council tax bills, its their fault this country has gone downhill.
doctor1970
says...
1:39pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Council tax was never a good idea in the first place. I get my bin emptied every 2 weeks, the drains never get unblocked that's all the services i get off the council. Let the government pay our council tax bills, its their fault this country has gone downhill.
Shirley Bassey
says...
1:54pm Thu 7 Feb 13
mavrick wrote:Well said Mavrick. Not everyone who claims council tax benefit is a scrounger, some are working for a living on minimum wage or on reduced hours because there aren't enough full-time jobs available or their family circumstances don't allow them to work full-time eg single parents.
barlickmafia wrote: I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more. I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system. Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied. These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most. I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life. As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!I think you should do a fact finding mission and ignore the media hype that everyone on benefits is a scrounger, You have not shown one ounce of compassion for those who are worse off than you through no fault of their own. You ask why you pay over £1000 in council tax just to have your bins emptied. I suppose you don't flush the loo or let bath water out into the drains. I doubt if you use the library or other council services. These people as you put it who pay nothing use the most services, I wonder why that is? You need to realise that in this country we have a welfare system including the NHS that we all contribute to. I accept there people who are playing the system and should be reported and shamed. but you can not tar everyone with the same brush. If you don't like the system in this country feel free to leave.
The councils are being forced to pass on this government cut and at the same time expected to deliver the same services - more than just bin emptying. I assume barlickmafia doesn't walk in any parks, or go to pubs/restaurants/tak
eaways all of which are regulated by the councils, educated himself, doesn't drive on roads or use footpaths, and will disappear into a puff of smoke rather than need a graveyard. People seem to forget that everyone accesses council services every day without probably realising it.
barlickmafia
says...
1:54pm Thu 7 Feb 13
mavrick wrote:Your right I have no sympathy for anyone on benefits, other than those who really are in dire need of them ie the people with learning difficulties the truly disabled.
barlickmafia wrote:I think you should do a fact finding mission and ignore the media hype that everyone on benefits is a scrounger, You have not shown one ounce of compassion for those who are worse off than you through no fault of their own. You ask why you pay over £1000 in council tax just to have your bins emptied. I suppose you don't flush the loo or let bath water out into the drains. I doubt if you use the library or other council services. These people as you put it who pay nothing use the most services, I wonder why that is? You need to realise that in this country we have a welfare system including the NHS that we all contribute to. I accept there people who are playing the system and should be reported and shamed. but you can not tar everyone with the same brush. If you don't like the system in this country feel free to leave.
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Job seekers allowance should be related to what you have put in the system and paid for a set time. If you have worked 25 years and get made redundant you should be entiled to claim for a longer period than an 18 year old that has not lifted a finger.
We all make choices in our lives, who we marry, whether we have children, how much we try in our education etc. If you are on benefits through one of these lifestyle choices then it is a choice of your own!!!
barlickmafia
says...
1:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13
barlickmafia wrote:Oh and dont give me that rubbish about somebodys upbringing. i was brought up in a house my Single mother paid for when she went out to work. It didnt have carpets, heating and we stuggled for food somedays. my mum went to work and only received extra cash from my dad in maintainence.
mavrick wrote:Your right I have no sympathy for anyone on benefits, other than those who really are in dire need of them ie the people with learning difficulties the truly disabled.
barlickmafia wrote:I think you should do a fact finding mission and ignore the media hype that everyone on benefits is a scrounger, You have not shown one ounce of compassion for those who are worse off than you through no fault of their own. You ask why you pay over £1000 in council tax just to have your bins emptied. I suppose you don't flush the loo or let bath water out into the drains. I doubt if you use the library or other council services. These people as you put it who pay nothing use the most services, I wonder why that is? You need to realise that in this country we have a welfare system including the NHS that we all contribute to. I accept there people who are playing the system and should be reported and shamed. but you can not tar everyone with the same brush. If you don't like the system in this country feel free to leave.
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Job seekers allowance should be related to what you have put in the system and paid for a set time. If you have worked 25 years and get made redundant you should be entiled to claim for a longer period than an 18 year old that has not lifted a finger.
We all make choices in our lives, who we marry, whether we have children, how much we try in our education etc. If you are on benefits through one of these lifestyle choices then it is a choice of your own!!!
This drove me to make sure that i didnt end up living my life like that. this is the problem, many people on benefits live the life of riley and this gives their kids the impression that they can sit around and do nothing and still get most of the things they need!!!
norah bhatty
says...
2:14pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Hey Barlicmafia - you have raised an excellent point of view. Yep, let us back to the 'good old days' where benefit claims were hardly heard of. I can remember people who appeared to have had nothing, but still managed to live. My Mum and Dad worked hard all of their lives, and neither my brother nor myself went short of anything.
Christmas - not like it is today when people compete with each other to see who can buy the best games console on the market. Christmas WAS ABOUT Christmas in those days, and what we got on Christmas day was appreciated.
Kids of today want more and more and more, and to keep up with the Jones' parents can force themselves into dept just to keep up appearances. Companies will lend money no problem, it is the paying back that becomes the problem.
Junk mail brings offers galore, and it is all about profit. This was never the case a few years ago.
I am glad I was raised in a family that never went above their means, but still provided all that was needed for a content and happy family life.
People scoff at the 'good old days' but people managed a hell of a lot better than they do now - fact.
Christmas - not like it is today when people compete with each other to see who can buy the best games console on the market. Christmas WAS ABOUT Christmas in those days, and what we got on Christmas day was appreciated.
Kids of today want more and more and more, and to keep up with the Jones' parents can force themselves into dept just to keep up appearances. Companies will lend money no problem, it is the paying back that becomes the problem.
Junk mail brings offers galore, and it is all about profit. This was never the case a few years ago.
I am glad I was raised in a family that never went above their means, but still provided all that was needed for a content and happy family life.
People scoff at the 'good old days' but people managed a hell of a lot better than they do now - fact.
jack daniels
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2:28pm Thu 7 Feb 13
@doctor1970
@Barlick
What you pay for is somebody else picking up the pieces of this failed society.
You can both sleep soundly in your beds knowing that the old, vulnerable and disabled are being cared for. You can rest easy knowing that people in the council are dealing with the children that have been groomed and raped by the detritus of humanity.. just so you don’t have to.
Worry not my friends about the roads being gritted the next time it snows, there’ll be people just like you who have made sure you can get to work safely, and on time.
Don’t confuse yourselves with what you pay for and what the council does for the place you live.
One day you or your family may need these services and you’ll get all the help that allows you to continue to live your life.
That’s unless they privatise the whole lot, resulting in a shoddy service that allows somebody to make a profit from our misery.
@Barlick
What you pay for is somebody else picking up the pieces of this failed society.
You can both sleep soundly in your beds knowing that the old, vulnerable and disabled are being cared for. You can rest easy knowing that people in the council are dealing with the children that have been groomed and raped by the detritus of humanity.. just so you don’t have to.
Worry not my friends about the roads being gritted the next time it snows, there’ll be people just like you who have made sure you can get to work safely, and on time.
Don’t confuse yourselves with what you pay for and what the council does for the place you live.
One day you or your family may need these services and you’ll get all the help that allows you to continue to live your life.
That’s unless they privatise the whole lot, resulting in a shoddy service that allows somebody to make a profit from our misery.
meeshoo
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2:42pm Thu 7 Feb 13
You carn't get blood out a stone, they still won't pay. -- Anything of value will go over to grandma's till the bailiffs have gone and the storm is over. They may even be cheered as they give the V sign, as the police car takes them away for their four weeks in jail.
meeshoo
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2:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13
You cannot get blood out of a stone. They still will not pay council tax. Anything of value will go to grannies, while the bailiffs have been and gone. -- l think that the locals will cheer, as the police car takes them away (giving the V sigh) -- for there four weeks in jail. (what a hero)
chris283
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3:02pm Thu 7 Feb 13
i have read the comments on here what a load of tosh some people talk there may be a few who do misuse the system but a majority of people do want to work and when you get these clowns saying people on the dole do not contribute to the system we all do when we bye food etc so do not talk absolute crap there is no jobs out there when are you idiots going to get it through your skulls i will be voting for ukip this time around that i can tell you lets give some one else a chance am sure they can not be worse then the other partys
turd moor
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3:05pm Thu 7 Feb 13
whilst most of the people are genuine cases and are poor just think of the ones who ''would struggle to make ends meat'' but can go to the pub,some as early of 9am
its about time
its about time
chris283
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3:08pm Thu 7 Feb 13
P.S the courts will not be able to cope with the people who can not pay and with all the cuts the bailiffs will be rubbing there hands with glee i am sure mrs rossndales will be buying a nice new big house
past it
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3:12pm Thu 7 Feb 13
E bye gum, what's wrong with paying, its what workers have always had to do, cut down or stop the smokes, cancel sky, cut down on the booze, then you can afford to pay you're way
oldblue
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3:19pm Thu 7 Feb 13
ganja man wrote:Pseudo-socialist claptrap. I am a pensioner on a fixed income, I have worked all my life, never claimed a penny from the state, raised my children to be responsible WORKING adults. I pay £148.00 PER MONTH in council tax and I am supposed to be concerned that some people will have to start making some small contribution to local services. Certainly the most disadvantaged should be protected but there are an awful lot of others who just play the system
This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war.
It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of
-Ignorance
-Squalor
-Want
It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally.
This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories!
Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle.
As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find!
Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax?
All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.
barlickmafia
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3:25pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:You are getting the wrong end of the stick , want to pay Council Tax, I would be happy to pay a bit more if it went to the right services and people who need it. The fact is it doesnt. The Council are funding the dregs of society with this money while the people in real need struggle.
@doctor1970
@Barlick
What you pay for is somebody else picking up the pieces of this failed society.
You can both sleep soundly in your beds knowing that the old, vulnerable and disabled are being cared for. You can rest easy knowing that people in the council are dealing with the children that have been groomed and raped by the detritus of humanity.. just so you don’t have to.
Worry not my friends about the roads being gritted the next time it snows, there’ll be people just like you who have made sure you can get to work safely, and on time.
Don’t confuse yourselves with what you pay for and what the council does for the place you live.
One day you or your family may need these services and you’ll get all the help that allows you to continue to live your life.
That’s unless they privatise the whole lot, resulting in a shoddy service that allows somebody to make a profit from our misery.
All I am saying is that being in close to poverty as a child made me want to go out and make a better life for myself.
I remember vividly when I was younger many of my friends had the lastest Nintendo or Sega, all the branded clothes etc. My Mum sat me down and explained why I couldnt have these things. We simply couldnt afford it.
Christmas came and I was so happy when my Mum had saved up all year to get me the cheapest bike possible. I treasured that bike. i knew my Mum had worked hard to pay for it.
I was taught a valuable lesson, you only get what you want if you work hard for it. so thats what I did, i did the best that I could in school and then went and got a Job.
That was the choice I made and thats why I am not on benefits.
Major Tom
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3:26pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Oh for gods sake! My heart bleeds for the poor beggars. They should be out there doing work for the community. If they fail to pay then tag them until they do pay. They can put a chip in dogs, why not the non-payers? They can then see if they're going into the pub or off licence and make them pay. Control their income through a cashless scheme and they can make sure they cannot buy booze, fags, and other luxuries. It's time this government got tough. The coalition is gaining my vote, but slowly.
britguy
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3:38pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Looks like booze,cigs,plasma TV and iPhone sales will plummet and I dread to think how many tattoo parlours will close.
jack daniels
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3:43pm Thu 7 Feb 13
barlickmafia wrote:My comment is based on your statement -
jack daniels wrote: @doctor1970 @Barlick What you pay for is somebody else picking up the pieces of this failed society. You can both sleep soundly in your beds knowing that the old, vulnerable and disabled are being cared for. You can rest easy knowing that people in the council are dealing with the children that have been groomed and raped by the detritus of humanity.. just so you don’t have to. Worry not my friends about the roads being gritted the next time it snows, there’ll be people just like you who have made sure you can get to work safely, and on time. Don’t confuse yourselves with what you pay for and what the council does for the place you live. One day you or your family may need these services and you’ll get all the help that allows you to continue to live your life. That’s unless they privatise the whole lot, resulting in a shoddy service that allows somebody to make a profit from our misery.You are getting the wrong end of the stick , want to pay Council Tax, I would be happy to pay a bit more if it went to the right services and people who need it. The fact is it doesnt. The Council are funding the dregs of society with this money while the people in real need struggle. All I am saying is that being in close to poverty as a child made me want to go out and make a better life for myself. I remember vividly when I was younger many of my friends had the lastest Nintendo or Sega, all the branded clothes etc. My Mum sat me down and explained why I couldnt have these things. We simply couldnt afford it. Christmas came and I was so happy when my Mum had saved up all year to get me the cheapest bike possible. I treasured that bike. i knew my Mum had worked hard to pay for it. I was taught a valuable lesson, you only get what you want if you work hard for it. so thats what I did, i did the best that I could in school and then went and got a Job. That was the choice I made and thats why I am not on benefits.
"Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied."
Besides that, I agree with you. You spend what you earn and you work hard for what you want.
barlickmafia
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3:50pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:"Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied."
barlickmafia wrote:My comment is based on your statement -
jack daniels wrote: @doctor1970 @Barlick What you pay for is somebody else picking up the pieces of this failed society. You can both sleep soundly in your beds knowing that the old, vulnerable and disabled are being cared for. You can rest easy knowing that people in the council are dealing with the children that have been groomed and raped by the detritus of humanity.. just so you don’t have to. Worry not my friends about the roads being gritted the next time it snows, there’ll be people just like you who have made sure you can get to work safely, and on time. Don’t confuse yourselves with what you pay for and what the council does for the place you live. One day you or your family may need these services and you’ll get all the help that allows you to continue to live your life. That’s unless they privatise the whole lot, resulting in a shoddy service that allows somebody to make a profit from our misery.You are getting the wrong end of the stick , want to pay Council Tax, I would be happy to pay a bit more if it went to the right services and people who need it. The fact is it doesnt. The Council are funding the dregs of society with this money while the people in real need struggle. All I am saying is that being in close to poverty as a child made me want to go out and make a better life for myself. I remember vividly when I was younger many of my friends had the lastest Nintendo or Sega, all the branded clothes etc. My Mum sat me down and explained why I couldnt have these things. We simply couldnt afford it. Christmas came and I was so happy when my Mum had saved up all year to get me the cheapest bike possible. I treasured that bike. i knew my Mum had worked hard to pay for it. I was taught a valuable lesson, you only get what you want if you work hard for it. so thats what I did, i did the best that I could in school and then went and got a Job. That was the choice I made and thats why I am not on benefits.
"Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied."
Besides that, I agree with you. You spend what you earn and you work hard for what you want.
I admit that this comment was a bit daft. i know i get more than just my bins emptied but what i was trying to say is people pay less, sometimes pay nothing and get more from the council.
Major Tom
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3:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Coincidence or what! I've just overheard some guy (a scrounger by the sound of it) come up with a pathetic excuse why he won't pay any council tax. He said he is funding terrorism if he pays it. He then started ranting on about funding wars around the world and the oppression in the country by the police. Some people need locking up.
norah bhatty
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4:03pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Council tax is an expensive household bill which has to be paid. Homes are put into bands and people have to pay the amount charged per band. My council tax charge is well over £1000.00 per year, and we have to pay it, so why should people feel concerned when people who never pay a penny are now faced with paying a fraction of what most homeowners pay year in and year out.
Bet that if I missed one payment, I would get a red letter guaranteed, but some people although liable, get away with it by moon lighting etc.
The council should not be allowed to write off the debts of people who move around all the time just to avoid paying. As hard as it might be, all defaulters should be caught and made to pay. The likes of me and you have to pay, or should I do a runner and let someone else pay my share?.
Bet that if I missed one payment, I would get a red letter guaranteed, but some people although liable, get away with it by moon lighting etc.
The council should not be allowed to write off the debts of people who move around all the time just to avoid paying. As hard as it might be, all defaulters should be caught and made to pay. The likes of me and you have to pay, or should I do a runner and let someone else pay my share?.
ganja man
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4:09pm Thu 7 Feb 13
There are a great deal of people on here posting about a topic on which they have very little knowledge and what little they do have based on the daily mail/right wing press and the propoganda the right wing Tories are feeding them for the last 3 years!
Poverty levels have INCREASED in this country over last 3 years. FACT!
The number of people using foodbanks has INCREASED over last 3 years. FACT!
The BURNLEY, BLACKBURN and PENDLE foodbanks do NOT receive enough food from donations to give to even a small percentage of those in need! FACT!
If you want up to date and accurate information onl local poverty go into your
-- local Salvation Army Base
- homeless hostel
-speak to your local church priest/ vicar
- speak to citizens advice bureau
-gingerbread
- charities helping children in poverty
and a big list of others with accurate and TRUE information of the scale of the problem.
You will find they have no knowledge of the people they help having the latest iphone 5 or a 50inch plasma tv.
If you want those type of stories then keep on reading the comic that is the Daily Mail.
The real culprits of the disaster the country is in are the banking elite!
How many of them have been prosecuted?
As for "old blue" youngsters of today, 18 -24 year olds are going to be in a worser financial state than a 70 year old pensioner is today, relatively when they reach pension age.
that will not bother you having claimed your final salary pension scheme of the taxpayer which will eventually cripple the public finances and the living standards of the youngsters in 35 years time. FACT!
Poverty levels have INCREASED in this country over last 3 years. FACT!
The number of people using foodbanks has INCREASED over last 3 years. FACT!
The BURNLEY, BLACKBURN and PENDLE foodbanks do NOT receive enough food from donations to give to even a small percentage of those in need! FACT!
If you want up to date and accurate information onl local poverty go into your
-- local Salvation Army Base
- homeless hostel
-speak to your local church priest/ vicar
- speak to citizens advice bureau
-gingerbread
- charities helping children in poverty
and a big list of others with accurate and TRUE information of the scale of the problem.
You will find they have no knowledge of the people they help having the latest iphone 5 or a 50inch plasma tv.
If you want those type of stories then keep on reading the comic that is the Daily Mail.
The real culprits of the disaster the country is in are the banking elite!
How many of them have been prosecuted?
As for "old blue" youngsters of today, 18 -24 year olds are going to be in a worser financial state than a 70 year old pensioner is today, relatively when they reach pension age.
that will not bother you having claimed your final salary pension scheme of the taxpayer which will eventually cripple the public finances and the living standards of the youngsters in 35 years time. FACT!
norah bhatty
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4:18pm Thu 7 Feb 13
There are a lot of charities appealing for donations all the time, but people can't give and give and give. There has to be a limit.
Personally, I donate on a monthly basis to 3 charities, and when out and about if I see the Salvation Army I will always give. I do my bit at Christmas, by donating new toys for children who might not have anything, and I do food parcels for the Salvation Army to give out. I have always filled 2 shoe boxes every Christmas for children overseas, but Christmas 2012 was the final time.
If Cameron can donate so much overseas, then the shoe boxes which I make will from now on go to the deserving of this country. At least I can see where my donations/gifts are going, can Cameron prove to us where all our money is going overseas?
Personally, I donate on a monthly basis to 3 charities, and when out and about if I see the Salvation Army I will always give. I do my bit at Christmas, by donating new toys for children who might not have anything, and I do food parcels for the Salvation Army to give out. I have always filled 2 shoe boxes every Christmas for children overseas, but Christmas 2012 was the final time.
If Cameron can donate so much overseas, then the shoe boxes which I make will from now on go to the deserving of this country. At least I can see where my donations/gifts are going, can Cameron prove to us where all our money is going overseas?
Fan@clared
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4:26pm Thu 7 Feb 13
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.
TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?
ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Rappide
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4:36pm Thu 7 Feb 13
I am appalled at the fact that 2 extra financial burdens are being forced onto people who are living on the minimum that is supposed to be meant for survival. Not only do they have a donation to the council tax to contend with but many also have the 'bedroom tax'. There are few one bedroomed dwellings in this area and they will now be occupied in the blink of an eye. Meanwhile debts will accrue and bailiffs will be laughing their socks off. Homelessness has risen and rough sleeping has risen by 6% ( latest government figures on the homeless)
Bedroom-Tax Will Hammer Single/Grand/Foster Parents, Disabled, Forces, Bereaved and anyone else who might have slipped through the net.
Bedroom-Tax Will Hammer Single/Grand/Foster Parents, Disabled, Forces, Bereaved and anyone else who might have slipped through the net.
norah bhatty
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4:56pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Rappide - I applaud your comments, but again I ask the question 'Why are the people of this country continuing to put with Cameron & Co?' Why are the groups with power allowing it to go on and on and on?
He smacks of arrogance, and when will he ever know what poverty is?
He doesn't give a damm
He smacks of arrogance, and when will he ever know what poverty is?
He doesn't give a damm
Jacko953
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4:57pm Thu 7 Feb 13
i really don't know whats wrong will people over here how much do the councils and government have to do before people will make a stand people all ready going to food banks how the hell or they meant to pay this it really is time to stand together and oust out thes clever council bosses
Jacko953
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5:01pm Thu 7 Feb 13
midas wrote:im glad there or not many people think as you its just nasty
Oh dear thats 10 cigarettes a week they will have to contribute towards their upkeep! Perhaps having a stake in society may mean that some actually start to realise that everything isn't for free.
jack daniels
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5:02pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
retired one
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5:31pm Thu 7 Feb 13
barlickmafia wrote:Well said. It is the working people that are penalised, as they have to pay out of their earned money and not out of money that is just given to them.
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Those complaining will not cut down on their cigarettes, booze and luxuries that they seem to be able to afford more that the working person.
norah bhatty
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5:43pm Thu 7 Feb 13
What happens when the people who now have to pay council tax either cannot or will not pay? I would like to bet, that if I even missed one payment, a red demand would come through my door. Is the same principle going to be applied to the people who must now pay, even though it will only be a minimal amount?
Fan@clared
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5:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:Yes communist but following the socilaist manifesto. Not a great deal of difference. You are right about TB though. The words are politically androgynous (as I have read just today) - any party will do to further the dual ambitions of making a stack full of money and being famous. Loved the celebrity cult. Second guest at No 10 Cliff Richard. Big mate of Gaddafi as well.
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
Fan@clared
says...
6:03pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:By the way Jack. USSR - United Soviet SOCIALIST Republics
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
karltop
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6:53pm Thu 7 Feb 13
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
stationeryman
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7:10pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Stationery Man
Have the councillors offered to take a pay cut to help reduce the burden on the tax payers who are struggling to make ends meet at the moment, as this would show that they do think something about the voters of Blackburn.
Have the councillors offered to take a pay cut to help reduce the burden on the tax payers who are struggling to make ends meet at the moment, as this would show that they do think something about the voters of Blackburn.
tombhoy
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7:25pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Local councils are getting less funding from central government.
Cuts in council services are being lambasted by almost everyone as going too far.
Council Tax benefits scheme now being run by local authorities, not DWP.
What are the choices???.....
everyone who can pay should pay more to keep some people paying nothing?
EVERYONE takes a hit and we all pay something? Those in work and earning enough will still pay at least 5 times more council tax than the very poorest members of our community, as the most they are being told they must pay is 20%. The other 80% will still be claimed in benefits, paid for by those in work and paying the full whack
Keep the status quo - council services are slashed even more as they have less money to spend on the services we all want.
We may not all be responsible for the current financial mess, but we sure as hell are all suffering to help try to sort it out.
No-one likes the current situation, but the country needs to pay off it's debts.
It is easy to say the the government should be doing more - but they can only spend the money that they take off us.......
Cuts in council services are being lambasted by almost everyone as going too far.
Council Tax benefits scheme now being run by local authorities, not DWP.
What are the choices???.....
everyone who can pay should pay more to keep some people paying nothing?
EVERYONE takes a hit and we all pay something? Those in work and earning enough will still pay at least 5 times more council tax than the very poorest members of our community, as the most they are being told they must pay is 20%. The other 80% will still be claimed in benefits, paid for by those in work and paying the full whack
Keep the status quo - council services are slashed even more as they have less money to spend on the services we all want.
We may not all be responsible for the current financial mess, but we sure as hell are all suffering to help try to sort it out.
No-one likes the current situation, but the country needs to pay off it's debts.
It is easy to say the the government should be doing more - but they can only spend the money that they take off us.......
gareth 1980
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7:30pm Thu 7 Feb 13
i think when we have to pay council tax for the ones on bennifits its gona leave people short of cash possiblully the goverment arnt even considering the ones for pensioners disabled if we have to pay it so should the goverment there making our lives a missery they not thinking its gona want to make people not pay people will get sent to jail for not paying in the end the people in our country are gona just think why should we pay it we aint gaining nothing out of it goverment get free cars free tax big fat wages off the money we pay out to these and us poor people have nothing well i think we should get labour back in and get everything put bk to the way it was years ago back to reality we got promised a lot and what we get nothing just a heep of bills from the goverment well i hope to god the goverement whos in now get thrown out and never get let bk in .because they have made lives a missery no respect for none of us they just want to cause war this goverment and they will suceed in the end then the war will begin then it will end up ten time worse buildings will demolished houses will demolished buissness then there doing it all for the wroung reason my advise is every body votes labour get every thing bk hope yous agree out there .
norah bhatty
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7:49pm Thu 7 Feb 13
There is a lot of truth in the comments of 'gareth 1980' above.
I have long since decided that this government is not really for the working class, or for the people who are classed as poor and vunerable, but I do have some sympathy for the council who have had to take decisions which they would not have if funding had not been cut.
There a lot of people who are worse off these days, due to ever increasing prices and worse off because wages/pensions do not cover the basic increases.
I still think that the number of councilors in the borough of BWDBC could be reduced, and surely this would make some savings. I have heard that these councilors have taken accepted a little less money, but will it have any real effect?
A lot of people are struggling, and how much longer can this go on?
As far as Cameron is concerned, as long as he is seen to be sending vasts sums of money to other countries, we the people of his own country should shut up and say nothing. We must respect 'he that must be obeyed.'
I have long since decided that this government is not really for the working class, or for the people who are classed as poor and vunerable, but I do have some sympathy for the council who have had to take decisions which they would not have if funding had not been cut.
There a lot of people who are worse off these days, due to ever increasing prices and worse off because wages/pensions do not cover the basic increases.
I still think that the number of councilors in the borough of BWDBC could be reduced, and surely this would make some savings. I have heard that these councilors have taken accepted a little less money, but will it have any real effect?
A lot of people are struggling, and how much longer can this go on?
As far as Cameron is concerned, as long as he is seen to be sending vasts sums of money to other countries, we the people of his own country should shut up and say nothing. We must respect 'he that must be obeyed.'
raggedtrouseredphilanthropist
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7:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13
So the poor are to be punished yet again! Labour Councillors are acting as the Executioners of the ConDem government. Blackburn Council Leader Kate Hollern, with crocodile tears, declares "This is not what I came into Labour politics to do ..", which begs the question what then did you come for? These political opportunist and careerists are closing down old peoples homes, shutting libraries and pulling the plugs out of swimming pools, but still find enough money to pay themselves annual allowances and fat expenses! We have to resist these cuts and we can begin by simply challenging the Councillors. Can I suggest that the next time you see a Councillor in the shops, street or any where - tell them exactly what you think. Ask them how much in total expenses have they claimed since they have become Councillors. Ask them loud enough so any passers by can also hear. Demand that the attacks on the poor and vulnerable and the slashing of services be stopped. No Cuts - Full Stop!
rohansnan
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7:56pm Thu 7 Feb 13
barlickmafia wrote:barlickmafia....I have also worked all my life from the age of 15yrs and so has my husband. We are now aged 55 and 62yrs repectively. I am disabled and my hubby had to finish work to be my carer. We have both paid into the system. DO NOT tar everybody with the same brush. I hope in the future nothing happens to you or your wife healthwise as there is nothing worse than living hand to mouth. Karma can be a bad **** when she wants to be..
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Stone Island:
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7:56pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Council tax? What's that?
norah bhatty
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8:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Raggedtrouserdphilan
thropist -
Talking about meeting councilors in the street or in shops - have you read today's paper page 12?
The mayor of BWDBC is off to Pakistan and taking with him 3 other councilors (all labour) one of which is the executive member for regeneration.
What a good time to go off to enjoy yourselves when this council is struggling with all the reduced funding. I take it we will not need the mayor for a few days, which begs the question do we need him at all? The job of executive member for regeneration is important, so important that the present holder of this position is up, up and away to enjoy the delights of Pakistan.
When taking mini holiday breaks, do these councilors accept that whilst not of council business they should not expect to be paid for their time away? No I didn't think so.
thropist -
Talking about meeting councilors in the street or in shops - have you read today's paper page 12?
The mayor of BWDBC is off to Pakistan and taking with him 3 other councilors (all labour) one of which is the executive member for regeneration.
What a good time to go off to enjoy yourselves when this council is struggling with all the reduced funding. I take it we will not need the mayor for a few days, which begs the question do we need him at all? The job of executive member for regeneration is important, so important that the present holder of this position is up, up and away to enjoy the delights of Pakistan.
When taking mini holiday breaks, do these councilors accept that whilst not of council business they should not expect to be paid for their time away? No I didn't think so.
Strogbow
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8:12pm Thu 7 Feb 13
I cant pay cos theres no JOBS !.
Funny how thousands of Poles and Lithuainians managed to find jobs. Seems some not all arent looking hard enough.
Funny how thousands of Poles and Lithuainians managed to find jobs. Seems some not all arent looking hard enough.
jack daniels
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8:18pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Fan@clared wrote:Ruled by the COMMUNIST party of the soviet union.
jack daniels wrote:By the way Jack. USSR - United Soviet SOCIALIST Republics
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
raggedtrouseredphilanthropist
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8:19pm Thu 7 Feb 13
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
karltop
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8:26pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Again, who are these "poor" people who are being "punished"? Show me these people, if they exist. The people being punished are the taxpayers who have to fund this nonsense. These "poor" people are being asked to pay around 15% of what normal working people pay. Even then, it's with taxpayers money!
jack daniels
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8:31pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Fan@clared wrote:Sorry but you need to look up socialism and communism. The USSR, China and Cuba follow a Lenin/Marxist political system which is nothing like socialism you have referred to.
jack daniels wrote:Yes communist but following the socilaist manifesto. Not a great deal of difference. You are right about TB though. The words are politically androgynous (as I have read just today) - any party will do to further the dual ambitions of making a stack full of money and being famous. Loved the celebrity cult. Second guest at No 10 Cliff Richard. Big mate of Gaddafi as well.
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
karltop
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8:31pm Thu 7 Feb 13
raggedtrouseredphilaShow me these fictional people. I want names and addresses. I'm going to visit them and make a documentary. Come on. Let's have some proof..
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
retired one
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8:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13
raggedtrouseredphilaYou didn't mention the thousands of pounds a year in rent that they also receive. I wish I had £43 a week after paying ALL my bills out of the pension that I worked for ALL of my working life.
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
Could it be any worse
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9:47pm Thu 7 Feb 13
About time too! They'll have to cancel sky!
Fan@clared
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10:08pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:OK you have made your point but I don't agrreevand although TB was not labour as we would know and respect from way back he and his lot were socialists. They tried to delete our (British history) tried without mandate to change the demography here by opening the flood gates (maybe why so many people here can't get jobs now and wages are so low) - Stalin did the same with the USSR satellites. And another thing what was Hiltlers party called? - National Socialists.- Nazis to you and me.
Fan@clared wrote:Ruled by the COMMUNIST party of the soviet union.
jack daniels wrote:By the way Jack. USSR - United Soviet SOCIALIST Republics
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
Fan@clared
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10:17pm Thu 7 Feb 13
jack daniels wrote:No No Jack. China followed Maoism - some kind of communism. Really good it was. Delete history move people all over the place. Intellectuals become labourers crooks become politicians (well we know all about that don't we). Remember they burned all the books. That is why Chinag Kai Shek took all the treasures to Taiwan. They would have wrecked them all. Question Do you think living in a commune is communism? Have agood night Jack.
Fan@clared wrote:Sorry but you need to look up socialism and communism. The USSR, China and Cuba follow a Lenin/Marxist political system which is nothing like socialism you have referred to.
jack daniels wrote:Yes communist but following the socilaist manifesto. Not a great deal of difference. You are right about TB though. The words are politically androgynous (as I have read just today) - any party will do to further the dual ambitions of making a stack full of money and being famous. Loved the celebrity cult. Second guest at No 10 Cliff Richard. Big mate of Gaddafi as well.
Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist?
BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
Isn't China Communist rather than socialist?
The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested.
Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist.
And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.
Good call
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11:13pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Do you lot foaming at the mouth about benefit scroungers not realise that this will affect the low paid and disabled, not just the unemployed.What we need to do is a mass withdrawl of our council tax payments and also our tv licence fee payments.
ATeam
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11:26pm Thu 7 Feb 13
Oh, but its ok for this government to allow child benefit to be dished out to kids not even living in the uk and the parents can claim working tax credit??? Astonishing, yet they can tax the deprived to a level of poverty worse than the countries they are about to let into the uk!!! Jesus...wake the f up Cameron...family man my backside
dean555
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1:55am Fri 8 Feb 13
raggedtrouseredphilaWhat a shame! How about this, I work 60+ hrs a week with 1 day off! I don't choose to do it, I do it to provide for my family! When all my bills come out I wish I had £40 a week spare.......as a matter of fact I wish I had £40a month to spare! Now will these be the same people who have to pay for repairs on their house? Or pay for a mortgage? Or recieve no help from the government at all? I know people who earn more than me by sitting are their fat arses doing sweet fa, so making them put into the pot that their taking out of seems fair to me.......now if they are genuinely struggling then that's a different story, but lets be honest, most of the comments on here are aimed at the lazy so and so's up you know where!!!!!!
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
S4AWX100
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7:26am Fri 8 Feb 13
dean555 wrote:100% correct,make them pay!
raggedtrouseredphilaWhat a shame! How about this, I work 60+ hrs a week with 1 day off! I don't choose to do it, I do it to provide for my family! When all my bills come out I wish I had £40 a week spare.......as a matter of fact I wish I had £40a month to spare! Now will these be the same people who have to pay for repairs on their house? Or pay for a mortgage? Or recieve no help from the government at all? I know people who earn more than me by sitting are their fat arses doing sweet fa, so making them put into the pot that their taking out of seems fair to me.......now if they are genuinely struggling then that's a different story, but lets be honest, most of the comments on here are aimed at the lazy so and so's up you know where!!!!!!
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
S4AWX100
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7:26am Fri 8 Feb 13
dean555 wrote:100% correct,make them pay!
raggedtrouseredphilaWhat a shame! How about this, I work 60+ hrs a week with 1 day off! I don't choose to do it, I do it to provide for my family! When all my bills come out I wish I had £40 a week spare.......as a matter of fact I wish I had £40a month to spare! Now will these be the same people who have to pay for repairs on their house? Or pay for a mortgage? Or recieve no help from the government at all? I know people who earn more than me by sitting are their fat arses doing sweet fa, so making them put into the pot that their taking out of seems fair to me.......now if they are genuinely struggling then that's a different story, but lets be honest, most of the comments on here are aimed at the lazy so and so's up you know where!!!!!!
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote:If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of.
I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates.
If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..
So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
jack daniels
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8:51am Fri 8 Feb 13
Fan@clared wrote:China followed Maoism - some kind of communism.
jack daniels wrote:No No Jack. China followed Maoism - some kind of communism. Really good it was. Delete history move people all over the place. Intellectuals become labourers crooks become politicians (well we know all about that don't we). Remember they burned all the books. That is why Chinag Kai Shek took all the treasures to Taiwan. They would have wrecked them all. Question Do you think living in a commune is communism? Have agood night Jack.Fan@clared wrote:Sorry but you need to look up socialism and communism. The USSR, China and Cuba follow a Lenin/Marxist political system which is nothing like socialism you have referred to.jack daniels wrote:Yes communist but following the socilaist manifesto. Not a great deal of difference. You are right about TB though. The words are politically androgynous (as I have read just today) - any party will do to further the dual ambitions of making a stack full of money and being famous. Loved the celebrity cult. Second guest at No 10 Cliff Richard. Big mate of Gaddafi as well.Fan@clared wrote:err.. wasn't Russia communist rather then socialist? Isn't China Communist rather than socialist? The former communist states where only communist because the USSR parked a few thousand T34 tanks in their capital cities every time the people protested. Why do poeple think Tony Blair was a socialist? The term new labour mean anything? Tony Blair helped the sale of our industry and is responsible for the PPI fiasco. Socialist? No, capitalist. And who was one of his first guests to number 10 when he got into office? - the old crone herself - 'lady' thatcher.BlackburnEyes wrote:Yes Blair has made millions on the back of equality. Very principled man isn't he. But people who advocate a socialist state should visit Russia or Belarus or should have visited China before they relaxed the economy. Belive me they would not like it. Why do you think the people from the former communist states come here? If people want to live in a state like that they re frree to leave. Cuba would accept them.TONY WALES wrote:you show me a socialist and i'll show you a liar! how many poor socialists are out there?ganja man wrote: This is an attack on the POOREST within our society. This will cause( along with cuts due in 2013) levels of deprivation, poverty and squalor within the 21st century which will hark back to the levels, (relatively adjusted) to those seen before the 2nd world war. It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of -Ignorance -Squalor -Want It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally. This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories! Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle. As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find! Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax? All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.By socialist do you mean people like Tony Blair and his mates, i.e Prescott? Tony is doing quite well with his 7 properties (most in London) each worth well over a million £'s each. At the end of the day no person becomes an MP to look after the working poorer classes of this country. All they want the job for, is to make as much money as they can, whilst being an MP, and create a nice position sitting as an advisor, or on the board of a company, they have helped as an MP. Any MP who tells you otherwise is treating you like a fool.
so thats communinism, not socialism then...
Thanks for proving my point.
barlickmafia
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9:40am Fri 8 Feb 13
rohansnan wrote:If you have read any of my other comments I have stated that i do not begrudge anyone who is in genuine need of benefits. I really do sympathise with their situation. However, probably 80-90 % of people on benefits could afford this Council tax rise if they cut their cloth accordingly.
barlickmafia wrote:barlickmafia....I have also worked all my life from the age of 15yrs and so has my husband. We are now aged 55 and 62yrs repectively. I am disabled and my hubby had to finish work to be my carer. We have both paid into the system. DO NOT tar everybody with the same brush. I hope in the future nothing happens to you or your wife healthwise as there is nothing worse than living hand to mouth. Karma can be a bad **** when she wants to be..
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
When my water, gas, electricity, home insurance, car insurance, council tax, car tax bills all go up and my wage stagnates i have to deal with it.
I have to either use less or spend less on other things.
people on benefits are just going to have to bite the bullet and do the same.
Like somebody said to me earlier if i dont like the system i could always leave the country. In fact I like this new idea of everyone on benefits paying council tax. If they dont like it they can go live elsewhere see what they get in benefits in that country.
As for the karma c**p you are giving me, I pay my own health insurance and save a lot of money in both mine and my girlfriends pension scheme as I know that when i come to retire in 2050 I will have to fend for myself because the pot will be empty.
barlickmafia
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9:40am Fri 8 Feb 13
rohansnan wrote:If you have read any of my other comments I have stated that i do not begrudge anyone who is in genuine need of benefits. I really do sympathise with their situation. However, probably 80-90 % of people on benefits could afford this Council tax rise if they cut their cloth accordingly.
barlickmafia wrote:barlickmafia....I have also worked all my life from the age of 15yrs and so has my husband. We are now aged 55 and 62yrs repectively. I am disabled and my hubby had to finish work to be my carer. We have both paid into the system. DO NOT tar everybody with the same brush. I hope in the future nothing happens to you or your wife healthwise as there is nothing worse than living hand to mouth. Karma can be a bad **** when she wants to be..
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
When my water, gas, electricity, home insurance, car insurance, council tax, car tax bills all go up and my wage stagnates i have to deal with it.
I have to either use less or spend less on other things.
people on benefits are just going to have to bite the bullet and do the same.
Like somebody said to me earlier if i dont like the system i could always leave the country. In fact I like this new idea of everyone on benefits paying council tax. If they dont like it they can go live elsewhere see what they get in benefits in that country.
As for the karma c**p you are giving me, I pay my own health insurance and save a lot of money in both mine and my girlfriends pension scheme as I know that when i come to retire in 2050 I will have to fend for myself because the pot will be empty.
midas
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9:44am Fri 8 Feb 13
Jacko953 wrote:You haven't read most of the replies then have you! People are sick and tired of seeing their money squandered on people who don't feel any responsibility for their own lives, people who get free houses, free services and a nice cheque every couple of weeks without any intention of changing their lifestyle - why should they?
midas wrote: Oh dear thats 10 cigarettes a week they will have to contribute towards their upkeep! Perhaps having a stake in society may mean that some actually start to realise that everything isn't for free.im glad there or not many people think as you its just nasty
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Bedroom tax - if you want a spare room, pay for it. Why should other people be subsidising someones spare room when there are people needing family homes? Its selfish but if you aren't paying for it, who cares?
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When people start paying for services they start to understand things aren't free.
midas
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9:46am Fri 8 Feb 13
raggedtrouseredphilaStop paying Councillors expenses. If they can't afford to be a Councillor then they shouldn't stand for office. Only rich people who can afford the time off and pay their own way should be allowed to represent us!!! Politics for the rich!! (is that what you meant?)
nthropist wrote:
So the poor are to be punished yet again! Labour Councillors are acting as the Executioners of the ConDem government. Blackburn Council Leader Kate Hollern, with crocodile tears, declares "This is not what I came into Labour politics to do ..", which begs the question what then did you come for? These political opportunist and careerists are closing down old peoples homes, shutting libraries and pulling the plugs out of swimming pools, but still find enough money to pay themselves annual allowances and fat expenses! We have to resist these cuts and we can begin by simply challenging the Councillors. Can I suggest that the next time you see a Councillor in the shops, street or any where - tell them exactly what you think. Ask them how much in total expenses have they claimed since they have become Councillors. Ask them loud enough so any passers by can also hear. Demand that the attacks on the poor and vulnerable and the slashing of services be stopped. No Cuts - Full Stop!
midas
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9:54am Fri 8 Feb 13
raggedtrouseredphilaand the ones that aren't just on £71 per week? add in the DLA, the child benefit, the housing paid for etc etc. walk don't take the bus, go to the job centre and use their facilities, get someone to share your flat and expenses, buy food in bulk, learn to cook so you don't live on take away and ready meals, heat one room not the whole house, buy a jumper and turn the heating down, stop smoking!
nthropist wrote:
karltop wrote: I want the names and addresses of these "poor" people who are in "poverty". I want to see how these people live, because frankly, I don't believe this myth that the left perpetuates. If the lefty, do-gooding, bleeding hearts on here feel so sorry for these people, then put your hands in your pockets and pay for them, because I don't want to. Any takers? didn't think so..If you could remove your head from your backside for just a minute perhaps you wouldn't be talking so much sh*te. Also, if it is not too difficult for you to understand can I give you a simple mathematical example? An unemployed single person receives £71 per WEEK. From this princely sum has to be paid £5 (Water Rates) £7 (Electric) £12 (Gas) and now £4 (Council Tax) which together totals £28. That leaves him/her with £43 from which then has to be paid something for CLOTHES, LAUNDRY, BUS FARES (Job searching), LETTERS/STAMPS (Job searching), TELEPHONE CALLS (Job searching), and then there is always that little LUXURY of life - FOOD! Did you notice what was missing - Beer, Fags, Scratch Cards, Widescreen TVs, Holidays abroad etc., etc., - missing because, frankly, these are the mythical things that the poor are deprived of. So karltop, perhaps this will give you some insight into how the poor live. If it doesn't and you still remain selfishly indifferent to the suffering of others - then please crawl back up to where I first found you!
Rovers till I die
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11:58am Fri 8 Feb 13
It will help pay for the mayors trip tp Pakistan with his Council buddy's at
Council tax payers expense , To promote Blackburn ? A Holiday to see family and friends , no other council would have the audacity to do it , What a joke
Outrageous and shows how the town has declined to a new low ,
Council tax payers expense , To promote Blackburn ? A Holiday to see family and friends , no other council would have the audacity to do it , What a joke
Outrageous and shows how the town has declined to a new low ,
biddie63
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12:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13
retired one wrote:Like you I worked as did my good lady and had three children, we both payed an heavy price for the benefit of a state pension and health in our old age paying into the system for over 50 years .We now feel demonized by the constant accusation that we live on state benefits. Two knee replacements , plates and screws fitted in my back due to injuries built up over my working live I feel justified in pointing out that if our M P thinks everyone should pay of the debt or help to should realize that some of us already have done.And no I don't smoke or drink it take me all my time to pay my bills .So anyone who dosn't think an increase of £200 isnt much in reality its £4 a week less on food ,heating etc .
barlickmafia wrote:Well said. It is the working people that are penalised, as they have to pay out of their earned money and not out of money that is just given to them.
I agree with this decision and think that it isnt tough enough. I would make them pay more.
I am 28, me and my girlfriend have worked since the age of 18, we have no children as we decided to buy our house first. We dont smoke, have the odd drink and everything we own we have paid for out of our earnings, not one penny off the system.
Why exactly do I pay over £1000 pond a year in Council Tax? The only thing i get worth while from it is my bin emptied.
These people who pay nothing are the ones who use the most services provided by the Council tax, they should be the ones paying the most.
I feel I have gone about my life in the right way but me and my irlfriend often wonder would it have been better to have had a couple of kids when she was 16? We would have been set up for life.
As for the pensioners, they have been shafted by the system, anyone who contributed enough durinfg their working life should be exempt from council tax no matter how well off you are!!
Those complaining will not cut down on their cigarettes, booze and luxuries that they seem to be able to afford more that the working person.
norah bhatty
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12:47pm Fri 8 Feb 13
Rovers till I die -
My sentiments exactly. Takes on the role of Mayor of Blackburn with Darwen and then goes off to Pakistan as and when it suits. Who will be doing the mayor's duties whilst away - oh yes the deputy. Another one going is the executive member for regeneration.
What I would like to know, but nobody wants to tell me, is does their money reduce for not doing the work whilst they are away? I doubt it, they might not go if they were to suffer financially.
We all see the claims of ward councilors printed once a year in the Telegraph, but perhaps more of us should insist, that instead of one figure for their total expenditure being published, perhaps we should insist on a complete breakdown of every item listed io the expenditure list of each and every councilor. Don't think this idea will materialize, unless a lot of people joined together.
We the public see things happeneing and do nothing. Moaning and groaning won't get us anywhere - positive action is what is needed from all council tax payers.
My sentiments exactly. Takes on the role of Mayor of Blackburn with Darwen and then goes off to Pakistan as and when it suits. Who will be doing the mayor's duties whilst away - oh yes the deputy. Another one going is the executive member for regeneration.
What I would like to know, but nobody wants to tell me, is does their money reduce for not doing the work whilst they are away? I doubt it, they might not go if they were to suffer financially.
We all see the claims of ward councilors printed once a year in the Telegraph, but perhaps more of us should insist, that instead of one figure for their total expenditure being published, perhaps we should insist on a complete breakdown of every item listed io the expenditure list of each and every councilor. Don't think this idea will materialize, unless a lot of people joined together.
We the public see things happeneing and do nothing. Moaning and groaning won't get us anywhere - positive action is what is needed from all council tax payers.
crazymaisy
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1:25pm Fri 8 Feb 13
I'm sure Council's haven't taken this decision lightly - they simply can't afford to fund the CT Benefit directly, which was previously funded at 100% by DWP, as grants from govt are being reduced at incredible rates. Remember that for most councils (not BwDBC) only a very small amount of what you pay in CT actually goes to the council - its County, Police, Fire etc that benefits too.
Yes, I agree that other than the protected groups of Pensioners and Disabled, then some contribution should be made. There are some truly destitute people out there who will hopefully get the help they need, but take a look at a LOT of the people that frequent the likes of Wetherspoons from mid morning, and young people with fags hanging out of their mouths, pushing 1 or 2 in a pushchair, all of who seem to have the best branded gear and eating McDonald's - these people need educating on how to spend money wisely and cook properly. It really cheesed me off when my ex neighbour sat on her arse all day whilst kids at school, with a pile of fag ends at the doorstep, managed to run a car and have take away meals delivered every day, whilst I worked full time and struggled to exist - where's the fairness in that?
Yes, I agree that other than the protected groups of Pensioners and Disabled, then some contribution should be made. There are some truly destitute people out there who will hopefully get the help they need, but take a look at a LOT of the people that frequent the likes of Wetherspoons from mid morning, and young people with fags hanging out of their mouths, pushing 1 or 2 in a pushchair, all of who seem to have the best branded gear and eating McDonald's - these people need educating on how to spend money wisely and cook properly. It really cheesed me off when my ex neighbour sat on her arse all day whilst kids at school, with a pile of fag ends at the doorstep, managed to run a car and have take away meals delivered every day, whilst I worked full time and struggled to exist - where's the fairness in that?
doggydog
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5:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13
Tough, aint it?Wish all i had to pay was 200quid a year.Wot with income tax, national insurance, water bills, council tax,electric, gas, food and to top it all, i have to work for a low wages and un sociable hours.Dont care if ya like it or not, pay your way,just like the reast of us have too. Bet ya, someone who now has to pay,has a dig at this. Welcome to "this is our life"
will12
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5:30pm Fri 8 Feb 13
And while "we" are all squabbling amongst ourselves, those in their Ivory Towers are looking down on us and laughing !!!
These people that are squeezing us, have never seen a hard days work, yet the muppets that Vote for these idiots, just keep them in power term after term !!!
LibLabCon is just ONE Party, and the sooner the muppets wake up and Vote these blood suckers out, then you will have seen the light, until that day happens, bury your head in the sand because this is how its going to be !!!
I Predict a Riot !!!!
These people that are squeezing us, have never seen a hard days work, yet the muppets that Vote for these idiots, just keep them in power term after term !!!
LibLabCon is just ONE Party, and the sooner the muppets wake up and Vote these blood suckers out, then you will have seen the light, until that day happens, bury your head in the sand because this is how its going to be !!!
I Predict a Riot !!!!
nonjob
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2:47pm Sat 9 Feb 13
Poor people!
Council chiefs are on £150,000 a year, or more. Plus flash company cars and expenses of £40k.
LCC are currently indulging themselves, spending tax payers' money on 'LGBT History Month.'
I personally know people on the council pay-roll who only even go into 'work' two or three days out of every month.
This all needs paying for, so, PAY YOUR COUNCIL TAX!
Council chiefs are on £150,000 a year, or more. Plus flash company cars and expenses of £40k.
LCC are currently indulging themselves, spending tax payers' money on 'LGBT History Month.'
I personally know people on the council pay-roll who only even go into 'work' two or three days out of every month.
This all needs paying for, so, PAY YOUR COUNCIL TAX!
norah bhatty
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3:10pm Sat 9 Feb 13
People can pick up a nice little earner from their expenses claim, and probably feel safe in the knowledge that no real in depth checks will ever be made. It is high time, that each and every expense claim is listed, not just an annual total.
I don't doubt for one minute, that Cameron & Co have no idea how the rest of us live, and don't doubt for one minute that they couldn't care less.
How many more things can he think of to cut I wonder? Some people are genuinely living on the breadline, and struggling to know where they can turn next. It must be horrible to live like this, and especially in 2013.
There will always be the scroungers who spend a lifetime living off the contributions of others, but why is this practice allowed to continue? There will always be some who couldn't care less when a 'red' demand arrives.These type are used to living off their wits and will get through regardless.
It is the genuine poor and needy who will always get my support, and there are a lot out there who fit into this category. Working a full week for the minimum rate and seeing bills rising day in and day out.
I think we all dread the utility bills dropping behind the door, but we have to pay, no other choice.
Until people really study which political party is for the working class, things will not change. The Big Society - We Are All In It Together - get real Cameron.
I don't doubt for one minute, that Cameron & Co have no idea how the rest of us live, and don't doubt for one minute that they couldn't care less.
How many more things can he think of to cut I wonder? Some people are genuinely living on the breadline, and struggling to know where they can turn next. It must be horrible to live like this, and especially in 2013.
There will always be the scroungers who spend a lifetime living off the contributions of others, but why is this practice allowed to continue? There will always be some who couldn't care less when a 'red' demand arrives.These type are used to living off their wits and will get through regardless.
It is the genuine poor and needy who will always get my support, and there are a lot out there who fit into this category. Working a full week for the minimum rate and seeing bills rising day in and day out.
I think we all dread the utility bills dropping behind the door, but we have to pay, no other choice.
Until people really study which political party is for the working class, things will not change. The Big Society - We Are All In It Together - get real Cameron.
future seer
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1:45pm Tue 12 Feb 13
council tax
broadband line tax
warm food tax
bedroom tax
breathing tax sorry not yet see my point cuts and more cuts eveyday something is getting taxed or cut the taxpayer do you think the money
is going back to you no do you think you will pay less in tax no we should not be fighting each other but supporting people in real need
the bedroom tax is scaring people in real need think outside the box see the real picture we are not cattle or sheep
broadband line tax
warm food tax
bedroom tax
breathing tax sorry not yet see my point cuts and more cuts eveyday something is getting taxed or cut the taxpayer do you think the money
is going back to you no do you think you will pay less in tax no we should not be fighting each other but supporting people in real need
the bedroom tax is scaring people in real need think outside the box see the real picture we are not cattle or sheep
ganja man says...
11:05am Thu 7 Feb 13
It was Beverigde and his repoer during the war which laid the founding principles of the modern welfare state to aid the POOREST within society from the ills of
-Ignorance
-Squalor
-Want
It is apparent that the TORIES want to scapegoat the POOR and attack them to satisfy the middle classes whom they are desperate to hang onto as their politacal vote bank declines natioanally.
This is on a par with BNP who attacked the minorities to please their vote bank and we all know what has happened to NIck and his party nationally. This was all predicted on here! Same will happen to the Tories!
Shame on the people who voted the Schoolboy Tory MP Andy" iam out of my depth" Stephenson here in Pendle.
As for the Tory MEP, well a better political opportunist, you will find struggle to find!
Do these two really support these attacks on the poor with he council tax?
All we need now is a cedible alternative of a decent political party with a TRUE Socialist agenda to defend the weakest and the working classes within this country.