UK gun ban is working, says Blackburn MP Jack Straw

Jack Straw MP

Jack Straw MP

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Local government reporter

BLACKBURN MP Jack Straw believes the total handgun ban in mainland Britain he introduced as Home Secretary following the Dunblane Massacre has permanently reduced the possibility of such mass shootings in this country.

Speaking after the Connecticut killings on Friday, he said the 1996 killing of 16 children and an adult in the Scottish town by Thomas Hamilton before he committed suicide, permanently changed British opinions on firearms’ ownership.

Mr Straw said he hoped that the massacre of 20 schoolchildren and six adults in Sandy Hook elementary school in Newton might similarly change attitudes in America leading to tougher gun controls. He added: “But I am not holding my breath.”

John Major’s Conservative government introduced a partial ban on handguns, with the exception of .22 calibre single-shot weapons, only after local MP and Scottish Secretary Michael Forsyth threatened to resign if action was not taken.

Following Labour’s 1997 General Election landslide, Mr Straw completed the ban, outlawing the remaining .22 cartridge handguns in England, Scotland and Wales, and leaving only muzzle-loading historic handguns and certain oversized sporting handguns legal.

Mr Straw said yesterday: “I am relieved that I was able to ban all handguns.

“I believe it will make a repeat of Dunblane or Connecticut in this country much less likely in the future.

“I would like to think that the Connecticut massacre will change US thinking on firearms and lead to tighter controls, as with Dunblane, but I am not holding my breath.

“The more you tighten the law, the more you reduce the risk. I think people feel much happier and safer here now and I don’t think this will ever change.

“I still remember taking my young children into a supermarket for food in America and seeing a rack of assault rifles.

“The US is very different from Britain with its love affair with guns.”

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2:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12

darwenTower says...

Hardly the time to be smug is it really?
Hardly the time to be smug is it really? darwenTower
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2:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12

bikerjohn_uk says...

Britain has some of the most restrictive firearms legislation in the world. Yet no matter what you do, you cannot legislate against career criminals and the mentally disturbed. Any legislation is only as good as the enforcement behind it.
Britain has some of the most restrictive firearms legislation in the world. Yet no matter what you do, you cannot legislate against career criminals and the mentally disturbed. Any legislation is only as good as the enforcement behind it. bikerjohn_uk
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Tue 18 Dec 12

woolywords says...

Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon? woolywords
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3:11pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Jarisleif5 says...

I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.
I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers. Jarisleif5
  • Score: 3

3:32pm Tue 18 Dec 12

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

Jarisleif5 wrote:
I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.
At least it is easier to spot the baddies and the psychos if guns are banned. If everyone is allowed to have / carry guns, then it is much much harder for the police to detect those who might want to cause harm. Britain is right on this issue, the US is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Jarisleif5[/bold] wrote: I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.[/p][/quote]At least it is easier to spot the baddies and the psychos if guns are banned. If everyone is allowed to have / carry guns, then it is much much harder for the police to detect those who might want to cause harm. Britain is right on this issue, the US is wrong. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
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3:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
I think Moat only killed one person mate. Other than himself of course.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]I think Moat only killed one person mate. Other than himself of course. George White Bread
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4:17pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

Now the condems have taken the police out of the equation whatch out for next years figures, they'll blow yer mind Jack.
Now the condems have taken the police out of the equation whatch out for next years figures, they'll blow yer mind Jack. Return of the Magnificent se7en
  • Score: -1

4:25pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Good call says...

woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".When Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".When Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it. Good call
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4:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12

midas says...

Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W
hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Wollywords - well written
.
Good Call - If the public weren't armed in the first place how does gun control totally disarm them? Have you been reading the NRA website?
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Wollywords - well written . Good Call - If the public weren't armed in the first place how does gun control totally disarm them? Have you been reading the NRA website? midas
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5:44pm Tue 18 Dec 12

DMcccc says...

What a smug comment at this tragic time. That said Mr Straw is completely wrong in his assumptions.

The actual facts are; he did remove the right for legally held hand guns, however, THERE IS MORE GUN CRIME AND ASSOCIATED DEATHS FROM GUNS NOW THAN BEFORE HIS BAN!!!!
What a smug comment at this tragic time. That said Mr Straw is completely wrong in his assumptions. The actual facts are; he did remove the right for legally held hand guns, however, THERE IS MORE GUN CRIME AND ASSOCIATED DEATHS FROM GUNS NOW THAN BEFORE HIS BAN!!!! DMcccc
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Jarisleif5 says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2
wrote:
Jarisleif5 wrote:
I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.
At least it is easier to spot the baddies and the psychos if guns are banned. If everyone is allowed to have / carry guns, then it is much much harder for the police to detect those who might want to cause harm. Britain is right on this issue, the US is wrong.
Are you sure it would be much easier to spot the 'baddies' as you put it? Have you ever held a handgun? I have, and I can tell you that they're pretty easy to hide.

You may want to take a look at certain laws here, because not everyone is licensed to carry weapons, concealed or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarisleif5[/bold] wrote: I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.[/p][/quote]At least it is easier to spot the baddies and the psychos if guns are banned. If everyone is allowed to have / carry guns, then it is much much harder for the police to detect those who might want to cause harm. Britain is right on this issue, the US is wrong.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it would be much easier to spot the 'baddies' as you put it? Have you ever held a handgun? I have, and I can tell you that they're pretty easy to hide. You may want to take a look at certain laws here, because not everyone is licensed to carry weapons, concealed or otherwise. Jarisleif5
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12

DMcccc says...

What a smug comment at this tragic time. That said Mr Straw is completely wrong in his assumptions.

The actual facts are; he did remove the right for legally held hand guns, however, THERE IS MORE GUN CRIME AND MORE ASSOCIATED DEATHS FROM GUNS NOW THAN BEFORE HIS BAN!!!!
What a smug comment at this tragic time. That said Mr Straw is completely wrong in his assumptions. The actual facts are; he did remove the right for legally held hand guns, however, THERE IS MORE GUN CRIME AND MORE ASSOCIATED DEATHS FROM GUNS NOW THAN BEFORE HIS BAN!!!! DMcccc
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Tue 18 Dec 12

phil kernot says...

HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW THE EDITOR CENCORS WHAT WE CAN COMMMENT ON , TOPICS THAT MATTER ARE BLOCKED FOR COMMENT , LIKE WERE LIVING IN RUSSIA OR KOREA , , SHAME ON YOU LET
HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW THE EDITOR CENCORS WHAT WE CAN COMMMENT ON , TOPICS THAT MATTER ARE BLOCKED FOR COMMENT , LIKE WERE LIVING IN RUSSIA OR KOREA , , SHAME ON YOU LET phil kernot
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Tue 18 Dec 12

expat lancslad says...

Firstly, the incident in the US according to reports to date only involved shots being fired from a semi-automatic rifle. Clearly Jack Straw has big hands / an eyesight issue if he thinks that's a handgun.

Referencing the UK's approach to firearms control at this time is unsympathetic, patronizing and inaccurate. Clearly if Jack's efforts had been as successful as he seems to think they were then the amount of UK firearms related crime would be down / next to nil and the police would be wandering around like Juliet sodding Bravo. Since that's not the actual case he really should remains silent - difficult to do as he's always been a know it all - and not try to seek political capital out of an issue that has bugger all to do with him.

At this time the only words out of Jack's mouth should be words of condolence.
Firstly, the incident in the US according to reports to date only involved shots being fired from a semi-automatic rifle. Clearly Jack Straw has big hands / an eyesight issue if he thinks that's a handgun. Referencing the UK's approach to firearms control at this time is unsympathetic, patronizing and inaccurate. Clearly if Jack's efforts had been as successful as he seems to think they were then the amount of UK firearms related crime would be down / next to nil and the police would be wandering around like Juliet sodding Bravo. Since that's not the actual case he really should remains silent - difficult to do as he's always been a know it all - and not try to seek political capital out of an issue that has bugger all to do with him. At this time the only words out of Jack's mouth should be words of condolence. expat lancslad
  • Score: 1

6:30pm Tue 18 Dec 12

M Foster says...

Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W
hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force. M Foster
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Agent Berg says...

expat lancslad wrote:
Firstly, the incident in the US according to reports to date only involved shots being fired from a semi-automatic rifle. Clearly Jack Straw has big hands / an eyesight issue if he thinks that's a handgun.

Referencing the UK's approach to firearms control at this time is unsympathetic, patronizing and inaccurate. Clearly if Jack's efforts had been as successful as he seems to think they were then the amount of UK firearms related crime would be down / next to nil and the police would be wandering around like Juliet sodding Bravo. Since that's not the actual case he really should remains silent - difficult to do as he's always been a know it all - and not try to seek political capital out of an issue that has bugger all to do with him.

At this time the only words out of Jack's mouth should be words of condolence.
It's not about criminals getting hold of firearms I think everyone accepts that this happens regardless, it's about making weapons harder for the people who just snap for whatever reason to harm others or themselves.

If you look at the statistics, not just in the UK but around the world where they have have strict gun control, the incidents of people getting killed by firearms is significantly less than the US.
[quote][p][bold]expat lancslad[/bold] wrote: Firstly, the incident in the US according to reports to date only involved shots being fired from a semi-automatic rifle. Clearly Jack Straw has big hands / an eyesight issue if he thinks that's a handgun. Referencing the UK's approach to firearms control at this time is unsympathetic, patronizing and inaccurate. Clearly if Jack's efforts had been as successful as he seems to think they were then the amount of UK firearms related crime would be down / next to nil and the police would be wandering around like Juliet sodding Bravo. Since that's not the actual case he really should remains silent - difficult to do as he's always been a know it all - and not try to seek political capital out of an issue that has bugger all to do with him. At this time the only words out of Jack's mouth should be words of condolence.[/p][/quote]It's not about criminals getting hold of firearms I think everyone accepts that this happens regardless, it's about making weapons harder for the people who just snap for whatever reason to harm others or themselves. If you look at the statistics, not just in the UK but around the world where they have have strict gun control, the incidents of people getting killed by firearms is significantly less than the US. Agent Berg
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6:42pm Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W

hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
Are you talking about Britain here?
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about Britain here? George White Bread
  • Score: -1

6:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W
hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Of course they were, when he was the Home and Foreign secretary he was a high profile target for terrorists both foreign and domestic so it was only common sense that his security were probably armed. May I add, highly trained skilled armed cops not just some tool who's illegally obtained a handgun and does drive bys shooting it sideways "like they do on the gangster films".

I don't really understand your point.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Of course they were, when he was the Home and Foreign secretary he was a high profile target for terrorists both foreign and domestic so it was only common sense that his security were probably armed. May I add, highly trained skilled armed cops not just some tool who's illegally obtained a handgun and does drive bys shooting it sideways "like they do on the gangster films". I don't really understand your point. George White Bread
  • Score: -1

7:04pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Jack Herer says...

Jarisleif5 wrote:
I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.
Where do these psychos get hold of a gun from then?

A psycho with serious criminal connections can get hold of a gun, but other than that forget it. Our streets are not awash with guns. Guns, especially hand guns, are fortunately hard to obtain.

I don't think the American public need guns to protect themselves from panthers incidentally. Unless they live in a zoo. In the panther enclosure.
[quote][p][bold]Jarisleif5[/bold] wrote: I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.[/p][/quote]Where do these psychos get hold of a gun from then? A psycho with serious criminal connections can get hold of a gun, but other than that forget it. Our streets are not awash with guns. Guns, especially hand guns, are fortunately hard to obtain. I don't think the American public need guns to protect themselves from panthers incidentally. Unless they live in a zoo. In the panther enclosure. Jack Herer
  • Score: -1

7:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Wishingwell says...

Whilst Agent Berg makes a fair point about easy access to weapons I think "what makes a 20 year old person want to use weapons to harm innocent people? Maybe it has more to do with the demands, expectations and idealism placed on young people by society and then when some of those who cant cope, they resort to a violent response normalised by playing certain computer games and watching violent films.
Whilst Agent Berg makes a fair point about easy access to weapons I think "what makes a 20 year old person want to use weapons to harm innocent people? Maybe it has more to do with the demands, expectations and idealism placed on young people by society and then when some of those who cant cope, they resort to a violent response normalised by playing certain computer games and watching violent films. Wishingwell
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Jack Herer says...

M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W

hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
I for one am supremely glad that you are not allowed access to firearms.

The mother of this latest loon in America was one of these conspiracy nuts. Allowing conspiracy nuts access to firarms, to "protect" themselves from some presumed New World Order threat, was the reason so many little children died there.
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]I for one am supremely glad that you are not allowed access to firearms. The mother of this latest loon in America was one of these conspiracy nuts. Allowing conspiracy nuts access to firarms, to "protect" themselves from some presumed New World Order threat, was the reason so many little children died there. Jack Herer
  • Score: -2

7:22pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Good call says...

George White Bread wrote:
M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W


hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
Are you talking about Britain here?
It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about Britain here?[/p][/quote]It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything. Good call
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W



hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
Are you talking about Britain here?
It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.
Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ?
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about Britain here?[/p][/quote]It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.[/p][/quote]Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ? George White Bread
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Good call says...

George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W




hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
Are you talking about Britain here?
It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.
Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ?
You asked if he was talking about Britain and I explained to you what the NWO is about.
[quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about Britain here?[/p][/quote]It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.[/p][/quote]Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ?[/p][/quote]You asked if he was talking about Britain and I explained to you what the NWO is about. Good call
  • Score: 1

2:46am Wed 19 Dec 12

Jarisleif5 says...

Jack Herer wrote:
Jarisleif5 wrote:
I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.
Where do these psychos get hold of a gun from then?

A psycho with serious criminal connections can get hold of a gun, but other than that forget it. Our streets are not awash with guns. Guns, especially hand guns, are fortunately hard to obtain.

I don't think the American public need guns to protect themselves from panthers incidentally. Unless they live in a zoo. In the panther enclosure.
I can absolutely assure you there are black panthers in the wild here in the United States, as well as other very dangerous wild animals such as bears and puma, which you can't exactly beat off with a stick.

Anybody can get a gun if they look long enough, and if you take a country as big as this you won't need to look far if they're banned. Drugs are illegal, they're easy to find. Guns will be just the same.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jarisleif5[/bold] wrote: I've said time and time again that a psycho will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they're banned or not. All you will succeed in doing in the United States is putting firearms in the hands of criminals, while the law-abiding citizen is left defenseless against those criminals and wild animals such as bears and panthers.[/p][/quote]Where do these psychos get hold of a gun from then? A psycho with serious criminal connections can get hold of a gun, but other than that forget it. Our streets are not awash with guns. Guns, especially hand guns, are fortunately hard to obtain. I don't think the American public need guns to protect themselves from panthers incidentally. Unless they live in a zoo. In the panther enclosure.[/p][/quote]I can absolutely assure you there are black panthers in the wild here in the United States, as well as other very dangerous wild animals such as bears and puma, which you can't exactly beat off with a stick. Anybody can get a gun if they look long enough, and if you take a country as big as this you won't need to look far if they're banned. Drugs are illegal, they're easy to find. Guns will be just the same. Jarisleif5
  • Score: 1

7:37am Wed 19 Dec 12

George White Bread says...

Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
Good call wrote:
George White Bread wrote:
M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W





hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
Are you talking about Britain here?
It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.
Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ?
You asked if he was talking about Britain and I explained to you what the NWO is about.
Are you, "Lifeinthemix" trading under a different name by anychance?
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George White Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about Britain here?[/p][/quote]It's the new WORLD order.It is the centralisation of power into a one world govt and the requesition of wealth from the poor and middle classes with it all going to the banksters.Thats why our rights are being stripped, so that we can't do anything.[/p][/quote]Either I've been drinking toilet duck or there is something very wrong with you. What is your point and what relevance does it have in relation to this topic about gun control ?[/p][/quote]You asked if he was talking about Britain and I explained to you what the NWO is about.[/p][/quote]Are you, "Lifeinthemix" trading under a different name by anychance? George White Bread
  • Score: -2

9:26pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Good call says...

Jack Herer wrote:
M Foster wrote:
Good call wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances?
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.)
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.)
Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings.
Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding.
And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere.
Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now?
Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?
The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W


hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.
Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed.

Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.
I for one am supremely glad that you are not allowed access to firearms.

The mother of this latest loon in America was one of these conspiracy nuts. Allowing conspiracy nuts access to firarms, to "protect" themselves from some presumed New World Order threat, was the reason so many little children died there.
Where is your evidence that the Connecticut shooters mum was a "conspiracy nut" as you put it.And who do you define as a "conspiracy nut"
P.S George White Bread, I'm not lifeinthemix,I actually used to mock him.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Has Jack Straw finally gone stark staring, raving mad by making such fatuous utterances? The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. (Jack used to work there.) Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Do the deaths caused by Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat not count in his vew of the World? With Bird killing 12 and wounding 11 or Moat killing 3, in a country that has a far lower population than the US. (A quick bash on a calculator will give you the reality of the risks involved in being a victim.) Gun crime is so rife in this country now, that armed officers are out on patrol every day, as opposed to how they used be, to have to go to the police station armoury to gain weapons. He knows, as well as I do, that armed officers are escorting many of the former and serving Cabinet Office members. That criminals are modifying former replicas into working weapons, with all the deadly force that brings. Weapons, including hand grenades, are being brought into this country from the Continent and being used. Thefts from railway carriages of anti-tank munitions have happened within the last few months - though why a bunch of Scousers would want with these, defies my understanding. And this is just the 'normal' criminals and doesn't cover those whom are buying chemicals to make explosives, for some crazed religeous cause in both Ireland and elsewhere. Does this, in any way, shape or form suggest to anyone, that we are safer now? Or is this a feeble attempt to depose me as the Village idiot, as he will be out of work soon?[/p][/quote]The whole purpose of gun control is not to protect the public but to totally disarm them and leave them defenceless against criminals so they will demand more powers for the "authorities".W hen Jack Straw was Foreign Secretary I bet his police guards were armed with handguns.Funny that , isn't it.[/p][/quote]Not only to defend themselves against the normal criminal but against the forces of an ever-increasingly totalitarian state. With the proponents and planners of the New World Order tightening the noose around what is left on true democracy, rather than fighting the next war against an outside aggressor, the public will probably be squaring up against its own rulers - just like here. Bit-by-bit, everyone's freedoms are being curtailed. Also, as others state, criminals end up with all the guns whilst the innocent are left defenceless by an ineffective police force.[/p][/quote]I for one am supremely glad that you are not allowed access to firearms. The mother of this latest loon in America was one of these conspiracy nuts. Allowing conspiracy nuts access to firarms, to "protect" themselves from some presumed New World Order threat, was the reason so many little children died there.[/p][/quote]Where is your evidence that the Connecticut shooters mum was a "conspiracy nut" as you put it.And who do you define as a "conspiracy nut" P.S George White Bread, I'm not lifeinthemix,I actually used to mock him. Good call
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