'Save our car park' plea by Waterfoot traders

Traders want the car park to be kept open

Traders want the car park to be kept open

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by

ALMOST 1,000 people have signed a petition opposing the redevelopment of a car park in Waterfoot.

Traders and residents in the town outlined their fury at a packed meeting in the Rossendale Mencap Gateway Club.

Social landlord Green Vale Homes and Rossendale Council have held preliminary talks with a view to transforming the empty Mytholme House complex in Burnley Road East into 21 houses.

But campaigners argue the demolition of a 33-space free car park on the site would have a serious impact on footfall in the town centre as it is used by hundreds of shoppers each day.

Around 80 people attended the meeting. Window cleaner Ronnie Harvey said there was ‘unanimous opposition’ to the proposals.

He said: “We’ve seen how businesses in Cloughfold have struggled because of double-yellow lines outside their shops.

“Waterfoot is probably thriving more than any other town in Rossendale. If they lose that car park, shops will close.

“There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s always full. We all want something done about the building but leave the car park and children’s playground alone.”

Mytholme House has been vacant for five years and has become a hotspot for gangs causing vandalism.

Chris Smith, from community group Waterfoot Forward, said the petition’s 900-plus signatures were gained inside a week, highlighting the strength of feeling in the town.

He said: “Every person at the meeting voted 100 per cent behind each of our resolutions.

“Removing the car park would kill the centre of Waterfoot. Who would want to come to a future ghost town anyway?

“If the land is not given away by the council we haven't got a problem. I hope the councillors who attended left with a clear mind as to the strength of feeling the people of the town have on this issue.”

Coun Jim Pilling, who attended the meeting, has been calling for Mytholme House to be demolished or repaired for almost two years. He said: “There are a lot of town centre businesses who rely on the car park next to the site.”

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11:11am Tue 13 Nov 12

useyourhead says...

doesnt look like hundreds a day are using it in the picture.
doesnt look like hundreds a day are using it in the picture. useyourhead
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1:00pm Tue 13 Nov 12

AndyD123 says...

Are they talking about getting rid of the whole car park or just the section where the red van is parked in the picture at the top of this page? I have always parked in the section nearest to tims chippy. Dont think I have ever parked in the other section
Are they talking about getting rid of the whole car park or just the section where the red van is parked in the picture at the top of this page? I have always parked in the section nearest to tims chippy. Dont think I have ever parked in the other section AndyD123
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Tue 13 Nov 12

nolando says...

If it is only the small area behind the trees and next to the old play area i dont see the problem. Really, how many parking spaces do you need for Waterfoots takeaways, they all deliver afterall
If it is only the small area behind the trees and next to the old play area i dont see the problem. Really, how many parking spaces do you need for Waterfoots takeaways, they all deliver afterall nolando
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Tue 13 Nov 12

her from here says...

The council are willing to hand over the old playing area and the car park to Greenvale, to plan for 21 dwellings they will then own this land,The car park is well used the photo shows the back area they will hand over all the land that is now owned by us the public
The council are willing to hand over the old playing area and the car park to Greenvale, to plan for 21 dwellings they will then own this land,The car park is well used the photo shows the back area they will hand over all the land that is now owned by us the public her from here
  • Score: 1

4:21pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Deltic says...

I think it's important not lose focus on this issue.
At present there are 33 places on that main car park including the section of the car park that you can see in the photo and it does get full despite the picture.

If 21 homes are built on part of the car park we will lose parking spaces obviously.
If each of those new households have a car that's another 21 cars. If the number of parking spaces left are say 12 and we need 33 plus 21 that is 54 it's not looking so bright is it
When the now grand looking Royal Hotel is finished we will probably need another 10 parking spaces at least.
When funds can be found to get the Arcade a grade twin listed building restored back to its original state it would be a massive visitor draw where will the visitors park?
It's plain to see that the future of Waterfoot is at stake not to mention village centre businesses and jobs are in jeopardy
It is a pity the council didn't do a few calculations before they embarked on this madness.
The bus turning circle is still being considered as part of the building plot.
Last time they council tried this exact same thing they spent 50 thousand pounds on consultants before being faced with a reality check.
The council has just spent a vast sum of money developing a core strategy for the area which they adopted last year. This development is even in conflict with their own finding for Waterfoot. The findings were to preserve our few open community spaces, promote tourism to promote accommodation for visitors and to bring unused buildings back into use.
Are you prepared to have have our future destroyed with a bribe of a seesaw and some swings for which RBC hold the money anyway?
It may be a good idea to visit a Waterfoot centre shop and sign the petition as we are all paying for this suicidal madness.
I think it's important not lose focus on this issue. At present there are 33 places on that main car park including the section of the car park that you can see in the photo and it does get full despite the picture. If 21 homes are built on part of the car park we will lose parking spaces obviously. If each of those new households have a car that's another 21 cars. If the number of parking spaces left are say 12 and we need 33 plus 21 that is 54 it's not looking so bright is it When the now grand looking Royal Hotel is finished we will probably need another 10 parking spaces at least. When funds can be found to get the Arcade a grade twin listed building restored back to its original state it would be a massive visitor draw where will the visitors park? It's plain to see that the future of Waterfoot is at stake not to mention village centre businesses and jobs are in jeopardy It is a pity the council didn't do a few calculations before they embarked on this madness. The bus turning circle is still being considered as part of the building plot. Last time they council tried this exact same thing they spent 50 thousand pounds on consultants before being faced with a reality check. The council has just spent a vast sum of money developing a core strategy for the area which they adopted last year. This development is even in conflict with their own finding for Waterfoot. The findings were to preserve our few open community spaces, promote tourism to promote accommodation for visitors and to bring unused buildings back into use. Are you prepared to have have our future destroyed with a bribe of a seesaw and some swings for which RBC hold the money anyway? It may be a good idea to visit a Waterfoot centre shop and sign the petition as we are all paying for this suicidal madness. Deltic
  • Score: -1

6:58pm Tue 13 Nov 12

her from here says...

Deltic wrote:
I think it's important not lose focus on this issue.
At present there are 33 places on that main car park including the section of the car park that you can see in the photo and it does get full despite the picture.

If 21 homes are built on part of the car park we will lose parking spaces obviously.
If each of those new households have a car that's another 21 cars. If the number of parking spaces left are say 12 and we need 33 plus 21 that is 54 it's not looking so bright is it
When the now grand looking Royal Hotel is finished we will probably need another 10 parking spaces at least.
When funds can be found to get the Arcade a grade twin listed building restored back to its original state it would be a massive visitor draw where will the visitors park?
It's plain to see that the future of Waterfoot is at stake not to mention village centre businesses and jobs are in jeopardy
It is a pity the council didn't do a few calculations before they embarked on this madness.
The bus turning circle is still being considered as part of the building plot.
Last time they council tried this exact same thing they spent 50 thousand pounds on consultants before being faced with a reality check.
The council has just spent a vast sum of money developing a core strategy for the area which they adopted last year. This development is even in conflict with their own finding for Waterfoot. The findings were to preserve our few open community spaces, promote tourism to promote accommodation for visitors and to bring unused buildings back into use.
Are you prepared to have have our future destroyed with a bribe of a seesaw and some swings for which RBC hold the money anyway?
It may be a good idea to visit a Waterfoot centre shop and sign the petition as we are all paying for this suicidal madness.
Well said I think that is game set and match. We own that land it is our car park and should not be given away.
[quote][p][bold]Deltic[/bold] wrote: I think it's important not lose focus on this issue. At present there are 33 places on that main car park including the section of the car park that you can see in the photo and it does get full despite the picture. If 21 homes are built on part of the car park we will lose parking spaces obviously. If each of those new households have a car that's another 21 cars. If the number of parking spaces left are say 12 and we need 33 plus 21 that is 54 it's not looking so bright is it When the now grand looking Royal Hotel is finished we will probably need another 10 parking spaces at least. When funds can be found to get the Arcade a grade twin listed building restored back to its original state it would be a massive visitor draw where will the visitors park? It's plain to see that the future of Waterfoot is at stake not to mention village centre businesses and jobs are in jeopardy It is a pity the council didn't do a few calculations before they embarked on this madness. The bus turning circle is still being considered as part of the building plot. Last time they council tried this exact same thing they spent 50 thousand pounds on consultants before being faced with a reality check. The council has just spent a vast sum of money developing a core strategy for the area which they adopted last year. This development is even in conflict with their own finding for Waterfoot. The findings were to preserve our few open community spaces, promote tourism to promote accommodation for visitors and to bring unused buildings back into use. Are you prepared to have have our future destroyed with a bribe of a seesaw and some swings for which RBC hold the money anyway? It may be a good idea to visit a Waterfoot centre shop and sign the petition as we are all paying for this suicidal madness.[/p][/quote]Well said I think that is game set and match. We own that land it is our car park and should not be given away. her from here
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Jim Pilling says...

Once again our council have blithely voted this through at cabinet without any consultation of the residents, businesses or even the ward councillor (me).

They were obviously trying to get this through under the radar.

Even the slightest scrutiny of the plan would identify the stupidity of the scheme. It would kill the town centre - not just for business but for the community.

I think the council should negotiate a land swap with Green Vale for the Mytholme House site. We have many pieces of brown field land which are much more appropriate for housing development than slap bang in a town centre. Would they consider building houses on the ex Valley Centre site in Rawtenstall? Of course not, so why Waterfoot?

Once the council own the Mytholme House site the building should be demolished and turned into a public green space. And once the childrens play area has been reinstated the town would look very attractive.

Quick, easy, and everyone wins.
Once again our council have blithely voted this through at cabinet without any consultation of the residents, businesses or even the ward councillor (me). They were obviously trying to get this through under the radar. Even the slightest scrutiny of the plan would identify the stupidity of the scheme. It would kill the town centre - not just for business but for the community. I think the council should negotiate a land swap with Green Vale for the Mytholme House site. We have many pieces of brown field land which are much more appropriate for housing development than slap bang in a town centre. Would they consider building houses on the ex Valley Centre site in Rawtenstall? Of course not, so why Waterfoot? Once the council own the Mytholme House site the building should be demolished and turned into a public green space. And once the childrens play area has been reinstated the town would look very attractive. Quick, easy, and everyone wins. Jim Pilling
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bluebouy says...

Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.
Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one. bluebouy
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Wed 14 Nov 12

her from here says...

bluebouy wrote:
Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.
Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact .
[quote][p][bold]bluebouy[/bold] wrote: Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.[/p][/quote]Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact . her from here
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bluebouy says...

her from here wrote:
bluebouy wrote:
Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.
Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact .
false
[quote][p][bold]her from here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluebouy[/bold] wrote: Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.[/p][/quote]Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact .[/p][/quote]false bluebouy
  • Score: 2

12:13am Thu 15 Nov 12

her from here says...

bluebouy wrote:
her from here wrote:
bluebouy wrote:
Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.
Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact .
false
It's in black and white there for anyone to read that makes it fact
[quote][p][bold]bluebouy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her from here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluebouy[/bold] wrote: Where are these plans? Oh, they don't exist. A lot of hot air this one.[/p][/quote]Info from the council 21 dwellings true, handing over the car park and old childrens play area TRUE including turning circle TRUE, no consultation with the public TRUE thats not hot air thats fact .[/p][/quote]false[/p][/quote]It's in black and white there for anyone to read that makes it fact her from here
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Deltic says...

If any one required information on this topic this may be a good starting point

http://www.rossendal
e.gov.uk%2Fdownload%
2Fmeetings%2Fid%2F61
74%2Fitem_c3_mytholm
e_house_waterfoot&ei
=ZDekUMLPJs-S0QWUtoH
4BQ&usg=AFQjCNGKlUTn
MO7SrcIQ7n9Q4VZIsUBX
GA

It's a long link and not easily found may for a good reason
If any one required information on this topic this may be a good starting point http://www.rossendal e.gov.uk%2Fdownload% 2Fmeetings%2Fid%2F61 74%2Fitem_c3_mytholm e_house_waterfoot&ei =ZDekUMLPJs-S0QWUtoH 4BQ&usg=AFQjCNGKlUTn MO7SrcIQ7n9Q4VZIsUBX GA It's a long link and not easily found may for a good reason Deltic
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

AndyD123 says...

Quote from here http://tinyurl.com/c
myk5hx

"The press has been littered with ill-informed speculation over the past week or so. So we’re aiming to put the record straight and ease any anxiety.

We’re proposing to replace the old Mytholme House with a brand new scheme for over 55s, contributing funding and working towards the development of play provision, a riverside walk and Multi-use Carpark / Event space within Waterfoot Town Centre."
Quote from here http://tinyurl.com/c myk5hx "The press has been littered with ill-informed speculation over the past week or so. So we’re aiming to put the record straight and ease any anxiety. We’re proposing to replace the old Mytholme House with a brand new scheme for over 55s, contributing funding and working towards the development of play provision, a riverside walk and Multi-use Carpark / Event space within Waterfoot Town Centre." AndyD123
  • Score: -2

1:14am Sat 17 Nov 12

Deltic says...

A new notice board as just been put on the car park on the side of Tims chippy
See the facts that RBC are calling misinformation from their cabinet meeting minutes.
See the reports on black and white.
See their own community impact assessment.
See their willingness to turn over public space.
See their acceptance of using the car park housing.
Social housing they say in their report.
They are going to reprovide a car park it says
The developers will provide a play ground of course they will


Miss informed cods wallop!!
Last time I looked we already had a car park and it was full
RBC still has the money allocated for the playground restoration.
Wonder how they are going to get all these homes yes 21 they say it in space where 33 vehicles park and still park 33 cars
Wonder where the 21 homes are going to park their cars.
All this isn't going in the foot print of Mytholme house.

1100 people say they don't want it.
30 shopkeepers don't want it.
Every person at the public meetings said the it shouldn't be there


Just what is the up side of this scheme ?

By the way the Whitewell is a brook if that is the riverside walk. It's about 15 ft down
Anybody requiring a riverside walk can walk down by the coal yard. It won't cost one business or one job or one parking space or one bit of already owned public space and it's a real river.

Don't take your eyes of the real story the cabinet are willing to giving away our public spaces and car parks.
Whilst doing so they are not consulting ward counsellors or any councillors for that matter as the cabinet have skipped that approach and jumped in with both feet.
They want us to talk about the riverside walk and the colour of the swings and the age of the residents.
Have they a mandate from the council to override policy of the development strategy I don't think so!
A new notice board as just been put on the car park on the side of Tims chippy See the facts that RBC are calling misinformation from their cabinet meeting minutes. See the reports on black and white. See their own community impact assessment. See their willingness to turn over public space. See their acceptance of using the car park housing. Social housing they say in their report. They are going to reprovide a car park it says The developers will provide a play ground of course they will Miss informed cods wallop!! Last time I looked we already had a car park and it was full RBC still has the money allocated for the playground restoration. Wonder how they are going to get all these homes yes 21 they say it in space where 33 vehicles park and still park 33 cars Wonder where the 21 homes are going to park their cars. All this isn't going in the foot print of Mytholme house. 1100 people say they don't want it. 30 shopkeepers don't want it. Every person at the public meetings said the it shouldn't be there Just what is the up side of this scheme ? By the way the Whitewell is a brook if that is the riverside walk. It's about 15 ft down Anybody requiring a riverside walk can walk down by the coal yard. It won't cost one business or one job or one parking space or one bit of already owned public space and it's a real river. Don't take your eyes of the real story the cabinet are willing to giving away our public spaces and car parks. Whilst doing so they are not consulting ward counsellors or any councillors for that matter as the cabinet have skipped that approach and jumped in with both feet. They want us to talk about the riverside walk and the colour of the swings and the age of the residents. Have they a mandate from the council to override policy of the development strategy I don't think so! Deltic
  • Score: 2

10:59pm Sat 17 Nov 12

RossendaleKnight says...

As someone born and bred in Waterfoot - I am appalled by this proposal! I now live in Stacksteads but am often in Waterfoot for the shops and Post Office. Taking half of the current car park away and building on it would be a disaster for the village economy!

The biggest problem Rossendale has - as a whole - is parking issues. The towns and villages were created when people rode in horse and carts, so were never built to accommodate much in the way of traffic. We need more parking in every town and village to stop them from dying any further. Many a time I've been to Waterfoot and struggled to find a parking space on the car park because it's been full. The streets are usually choc a bloc with parked cars (often illegally because of lazy people who won't walk more than two feet) which cause traffic congestion! How much worse will it be if they take half of the parking away?

At night time, the take aways have regular people stopping on double yellow lines to go and get their food. The delivery guys for the said take aways - park where ever they feel like - often in the bus terminal which then causes problems for the buses.

Besides, we don't need any more new homes in the valley! The government force the council to allow a certain amount of building in their area whether they need it or not. But street after street in the valley, there are empty houses for rent or sale. These should be filled before any new houses are built! We are in danger of over-building in the valley and losing a lot of what makes this place special!

The council keeps harping on about making the valley more of a tourist area, yet, they allow more areas to be built up - spoiling the charm of these old dwelling places. They sell off or close everything and anything that would be of interest to visitors to Rossendale. I don't see much happening to improve what we HAVE got - just constant destruction!

Building on this car park would just be another nail in the valley's coffin! Why don't they do something useful and appealing to visitors to the derelict nursing home - like a small park/garden where people can relax?
As someone born and bred in Waterfoot - I am appalled by this proposal! I now live in Stacksteads but am often in Waterfoot for the shops and Post Office. Taking half of the current car park away and building on it would be a disaster for the village economy! The biggest problem Rossendale has - as a whole - is parking issues. The towns and villages were created when people rode in horse and carts, so were never built to accommodate much in the way of traffic. We need more parking in every town and village to stop them from dying any further. Many a time I've been to Waterfoot and struggled to find a parking space on the car park because it's been full. The streets are usually choc a bloc with parked cars (often illegally because of lazy people who won't walk more than two feet) which cause traffic congestion! How much worse will it be if they take half of the parking away? At night time, the take aways have regular people stopping on double yellow lines to go and get their food. The delivery guys for the said take aways - park where ever they feel like - often in the bus terminal which then causes problems for the buses. Besides, we don't need any more new homes in the valley! The government force the council to allow a certain amount of building in their area whether they need it or not. But street after street in the valley, there are empty houses for rent or sale. These should be filled before any new houses are built! We are in danger of over-building in the valley and losing a lot of what makes this place special! The council keeps harping on about making the valley more of a tourist area, yet, they allow more areas to be built up - spoiling the charm of these old dwelling places. They sell off or close everything and anything that would be of interest to visitors to Rossendale. I don't see much happening to improve what we HAVE got - just constant destruction! Building on this car park would just be another nail in the valley's coffin! Why don't they do something useful and appealing to visitors to the derelict nursing home - like a small park/garden where people can relax? RossendaleKnight
  • Score: 3

11:04pm Sat 17 Nov 12

RossendaleKnight says...

Jim Pilling wrote:
Once again our council have blithely voted this through at cabinet without any consultation of the residents, businesses or even the ward councillor (me).

They were obviously trying to get this through under the radar.

Even the slightest scrutiny of the plan would identify the stupidity of the scheme. It would kill the town centre - not just for business but for the community.

I think the council should negotiate a land swap with Green Vale for the Mytholme House site. We have many pieces of brown field land which are much more appropriate for housing development than slap bang in a town centre. Would they consider building houses on the ex Valley Centre site in Rawtenstall? Of course not, so why Waterfoot?

Once the council own the Mytholme House site the building should be demolished and turned into a public green space. And once the childrens play area has been reinstated the town would look very attractive.

Quick, easy, and everyone wins.
Because Rossendale Borough Council doesn't give a **** about any other part of the valley than Rawtenstall! Whitworth got fed up of it and formed their own council and who can blame them? RBC would have ruined this beautiful part of the valley if left to their own devices!
[quote][p][bold]Jim Pilling[/bold] wrote: Once again our council have blithely voted this through at cabinet without any consultation of the residents, businesses or even the ward councillor (me). They were obviously trying to get this through under the radar. Even the slightest scrutiny of the plan would identify the stupidity of the scheme. It would kill the town centre - not just for business but for the community. I think the council should negotiate a land swap with Green Vale for the Mytholme House site. We have many pieces of brown field land which are much more appropriate for housing development than slap bang in a town centre. Would they consider building houses on the ex Valley Centre site in Rawtenstall? Of course not, so why Waterfoot? Once the council own the Mytholme House site the building should be demolished and turned into a public green space. And once the childrens play area has been reinstated the town would look very attractive. Quick, easy, and everyone wins.[/p][/quote]Because Rossendale Borough Council doesn't give a **** about any other part of the valley than Rawtenstall! Whitworth got fed up of it and formed their own council and who can blame them? RBC would have ruined this beautiful part of the valley if left to their own devices! RossendaleKnight
  • Score: 2

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