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Thousands of bins go unemptied in Blackburn with Darwen council strike
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| CLOSED FOR BUSINESS: A council worker shuts the gates at the direct services department depot in Davyfield Road, Blackburn |
AROUND 15,000 homes will not have their bins emptied this week as council workers go on strike.
Hundreds of Blackburn with Darwen Council staff have walked out for tomorrow and Thursday in the ongoing row over wages.
The strike will mean around a fifth of homes who have their household rubbish collected on a Wednesday and Thursday will not have their bins emptied.
And temperatures are expected to hit their highest so far this year, 22 degrees celsius, prompting health and hygiene fears.
Thousands of the affected homes are on fortnightly collections, meaning householders will be left with three-weeks of rubbish until their collections resume next week.
The controversial job evaluation process, a bid to end inequalities between men and women's pay, has seen 1,266 of the council's 5,800 staff facing wage cuts.
About 300 members of the Transport and General Workers section of Unite, who include refuse collectors, gardeners, street cleaners and school caretakers are to take part in the action.
Workers will protest outside Blackburn town hall and at the direct services department depot in Davyfield Road.
The authority said the only services hit by the strike will be rubbish collections, and recycling services, which are carried out by a private contractor, will continue as normal.
T&G spokesperson Roz Shepherd said: "I think this will cause a lot of disruption to services, but that is the point we are trying to make.
"I don't want to see staff losing money. They are on protection for 12 months but beyond that they stand to lose out. There will be a substantial amount of losers.I also want to see the 90-day dismissal notices recinded for those who did not sign up to the new pay line. "
The strike may also be resumed next week if workers feel a resoltuion has been reached.
Graham Burgess, chief executive said: "We have plans in place to keep any impact on services to a minimum and have scheduled further meetings with Unite to try and resolve this issue. We are pleased that the GMB have decided to try and resolve any differences through dialogue and hope that Unite will decide to do the same."
The council said that bin collections will be affected in locations throughout the borough.
The council said collection routes are not limited to distinct areas of the borough but take in large areas across Blackburn and Darwen.
Over 24,000 houses out of 60,000 in the borough are still on fortnightly waste collections.
Proposed strike action by GMB members was postponed on Friday after last ditch talks with Blackburn with Darwen Council chief executive Graham Burgess.
GMB organiser Graham Coxon agreed to the council's request to suspend the action while the council demonstrated its plans to alleviate the loss suffered by workers.
Members have been sent letters explaining that the strike has been postponed until June 16.
Last month the Lancashire Telegraph revealed the hundreds of staff who already earned less than £15,000 a year were facing cuts, and more than half of the 1,266 'losers' would have their salaries cut by more than 10 per cent.
A letter sent to council staff has warned them they will be sacked if they do not agree to the new terms and conditions within 90 days.
The government has told all councils to make changes to ensure roles traditionally held by women, such as carers, are paid on the same level as jobs like street cleaners and gardeners.
The changes follow a review of 5,500 council jobs, and bosses say 24 per cent of salaries will go down, 46 per cent increase, and the remaining 30 per cent stay the same.
9:39pm Tuesday 6th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: TAX PAYER, LOWER DARWEN on 9:45pm Tue 6 May 08
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....
Posted by: TAX PAYER, LOWER DARWEN on 9:48pm Tue 6 May 08
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....
Posted by: Peanut, Bubble on 9:49pm Tue 6 May 08
That's IT ... I have had enough I am going on holiday for 3 months , yes 3 months to NAPLES ITALY !
**** Hope I am one of the four/fifths ?
That's IT ... I have had enough I am going on holiday for 3 months , yes 3 months to NAPLES ITALY !
**** Hope I am one of the four/fifths ?
Posted by: Paul, Blackburn on 10:34pm Tue 6 May 08
Its about time the David fought back against Goliath. I don't blame the strikers, no employer should be able to rip up a contract when it suits them, thats why we have contracts. We'd all have a lot more money if we stoped paying for all the loungers on benefits, get them to empty my bin.
Its about time the David fought back against Goliath. I don't blame the strikers, no employer should be able to rip up a contract when it suits them, thats why we have contracts. We'd all have a lot more money if we stoped paying for all the loungers on benefits, get them to empty my bin.
Posted by: che, cuba on 10:44pm Tue 6 May 08
strikes are sometimes neccesary, if not for this option it would be a employers heaven and they would exploit us all
strikes are sometimes neccesary, if not for this option it would be a employers heaven and they would exploit us all
Posted by: Shaz on 6:27am Wed 7 May 08
The council doesn't seem to be doing much for Bolton except adding fines and increasing taxes and making our lifes harder!!! I dont see any benefit from the council.....Cliff Morris .....I voted for you and I want to see action!!![bold] This Rubbish will add to the increasing rubbish of todays Youth who are terrorising Bolton and crime is increasing..... with alcohol being the fuel to such behaviour.[/bold]
The council doesn't seem to be doing much for Bolton except adding fines and increasing taxes and making our lifes harder!!! I dont see any benefit from the council.....Cliff Morris .....I voted for you and I want to see action!!!
This Rubbish will add to the increasing rubbish of todays Youth who are terrorising Bolton and crime is increasing..... with alcohol being the fuel to such behaviour. Posted by: FRANK..Jr.. on 6:36am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Shaz[/bold] wrote:
The council doesn\'t seem to be doing much for Bolton except adding fines and increasing taxes and making our lifes harder!!! I dont see any benefit from the council.....Cliff Morris .....I voted for you and I want to see action!!![bold] This Rubbish will add to the increasing rubbish of todays Youth who are terrorising Bolton and crime is increasing..... with alcohol being the fuel to such behaviour.[/bold] [/quote] your in the wrong town here matey
Shaz wrote:
The council doesn\'t seem to be doing much for Bolton except adding fines and increasing taxes and making our lifes harder!!! I dont see any benefit from the council.....Cliff Morris .....I voted for you and I want to see action!!! This Rubbish will add to the increasing rubbish of todays Youth who are terrorising Bolton and crime is increasing..... with alcohol being the fuel to such behaviour.
your in the wrong town here matey
Posted by: stooball66, backburn on 7:16am Wed 7 May 08
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself.
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself.
Posted by: H Nelson, Blackburn on 10:52am Wed 7 May 08
Typical, the nicest weather we have had all year and now our bin men go out on strike. These unions should hang their heads in shame. Whilst the rest of us have to work they are all sunning themselves. Roll on the return of the Tories that's what I say, the unions need taking down a peg or two again like Maggie did and I for one can't wait to see it happen.
Typical, the nicest weather we have had all year and now our bin men go out on strike. These unions should hang their heads in shame. Whilst the rest of us have to work they are all sunning themselves. Roll on the return of the Tories that's what I say, the unions need taking down a peg or two again like Maggie did and I for one can't wait to see it happen.
Posted by: B & D, burnley on 10:53am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]TAX PAYER[/bold] wrote:
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....[/quote] you can tell you dont work for council.get in touch with your MP.
TAX PAYER wrote:
WELL I CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE PAYING MY COUNCIL TAX AND I WILL RING THE COUNCIL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.... this is outrageous....
you can tell you dont work for council.get in touch with your MP.
Posted by: B & D, Burnley on 10:58am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]H Nelson[/bold] wrote:
Typical, the nicest weather we have had all year and now our bin men go out on strike. These unions should hang their heads in shame. Whilst the rest of us have to work they are all sunning themselves. Roll on the return of the Tories that's what I say, the unions need taking down a peg or two again like Maggie did and I for one can't wait to see it happen.[/quote] YEP BIN MEN ONLY WORK WEN IT SUNNY.May be if you worked for the council You would know why they are going on strike........
H Nelson wrote:
Typical, the nicest weather we have had all year and now our bin men go out on strike. These unions should hang their heads in shame. Whilst the rest of us have to work they are all sunning themselves. Roll on the return of the Tories that's what I say, the unions need taking down a peg or two again like Maggie did and I for one can't wait to see it happen.
YEP BIN MEN ONLY WORK WEN IT SUNNY.May be if you worked for the council You would know why they are going on strike........
Posted by: B & D, Burnley on 11:02am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]stooball66[/bold] wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself. [/quote] spot on.I agree
stooball66 wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself.
spot on.I agree
Posted by: Ian the Beancounter, Darwen on 11:07am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]stooball66[/bold] wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself. [/quote] For once, I agree with you, Pat!!
stooball66 wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself.
For once, I agree with you, Pat!!
Posted by: cate on 11:42am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]stooball66[/bold] wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself. [/quote] i agree too. and to TAXPAYER, like ya wasnt warned this was gonna happen??????? they have the right to a fare wage same as u
stooball66 wrote:
GUD ON YER STAY OUT ON STRIKE TILL YOU WIN NEVER HAVE I HEARD OF A EMPLOYER REDUCING WAGES (except when the employees agree to these measures so as to safegaurd there jobs)no to hell with the bins being emptied you stick it out till you get justice tell this idiot in charge to go fook himself.
i agree too. and to TAXPAYER, like ya wasnt warned this was gonna happen??????? they have the right to a fare wage same as u
Posted by: Lee, scruffy blackburn on 1:19pm Wed 7 May 08
Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.
Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.
Posted by: Michael Howard, Darwen on 1:43pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Lee[/bold] wrote:
Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.[/quote] Too right Lee. I have heard they don't go out until they have all had a game of darts and pool at the depot as well as a brew and bacon butty. Now we have the warm weather they are out sunning themselves. I say let's privatise the bin collections like other areas do, then the unions won't be able to strike and we will at last get some value for our council tax.
Lee wrote:
Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.
Too right Lee. I have heard they don't go out until they have all had a game of darts and pool at the depot as well as a brew and bacon butty. Now we have the warm weather they are out sunning themselves. I say let's privatise the bin collections like other areas do, then the unions won't be able to strike and we will at last get some value for our council tax.
Posted by: deano, Darwen on 3:38pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Michael Howard[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lee[/bold] wrote: Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.[/quote] Too right Lee. I have heard they don\'t go out until they have all had a game of darts and pool at the depot as well as a brew and bacon butty. Now we have the warm weather they are out sunning themselves. I say let\'s privatise the bin collections like other areas do, then the unions won\'t be able to strike and we will at last get some value for our council tax.[/quote] Why is this all about the binmen. The binmen work task and finish working through breaks and also their dinner to get finish at an earlier time. What is sad is that the only visible manifestation of todays strike is the binmen. This indicates that a lot of the other council departments who are also striking have no or little impact on the lives of ordinary individuals. In fact it is these departments who through cronyism have over inflated their colleauges wages to the point that when they were appraised it was found that they had been paid too much for too long. The reult of which was that for some individuals the wages were readjusted in order to bring them into line with a fair days work for a fair days pay. Don't forget that these paper shufflers also sit in non-hazardous, offices, behind closed doors, doing very little, whilst expecting to retire early on a good pension paid for by taxpayers. If these people where to work like me in the private sector they would count there blessings and be grateful that they got away with it for so long.
Michael Howard wrote:
Lee wrote: Empty my bins you greedy bin men mabe if you did a full days work your wages would not be reduced. i drive down the m65 every day and all the wagons are out at 7.30am and back in by 2.00pm = 6.5 hours worked.
Too right Lee. I have heard they don\'t go out until they have all had a game of darts and pool at the depot as well as a brew and bacon butty. Now we have the warm weather they are out sunning themselves. I say let\'s privatise the bin collections like other areas do, then the unions won\'t be able to strike and we will at last get some value for our council tax.
Why is this all about the binmen. The binmen work task and finish working through breaks and also their dinner to get finish at an earlier time. What is sad is that the only visible manifestation of todays strike is the binmen. This indicates that a lot of the other council departments who are also striking have no or little impact on the lives of ordinary individuals. In fact it is these departments who through cronyism have over inflated their colleauges wages to the point that when they were appraised it was found that they had been paid too much for too long. The reult of which was that for some individuals the wages were readjusted in order to bring them into line with a fair days work for a fair days pay. Don't forget that these paper shufflers also sit in non-hazardous, offices, behind closed doors, doing very little, whilst expecting to retire early on a good pension paid for by taxpayers. If these people where to work like me in the private sector they would count there blessings and be grateful that they got away with it for so long.
Posted by: Brian Todd, Blackburn on 3:52pm Wed 7 May 08
The coalition repeatedly confirmed the losses by their staff despite the Labour opposition trying to get a reasonable settlement and these people have been re elected to continue to illtreat their, and our, staff?
I urge you all to watch what your council "leaders" are doing adn then think if they are the best people to run Blackburnwith Darwen, in particular teh For Darwen group seem to be bent on ignoring Blackburn's needs as long as they are all right!
The coalition repeatedly confirmed the losses by their staff despite the Labour opposition trying to get a reasonable settlement and these people have been re elected to continue to illtreat their, and our, staff?
I urge you all to watch what your council "leaders" are doing adn then think if they are the best people to run Blackburnwith Darwen, in particular teh For Darwen group seem to be bent on ignoring Blackburn's needs as long as they are all right!
Posted by: mrs s, darwen on 5:03pm Wed 7 May 08
The bin strike is mis-timed. They should have done it last Wednesday and Thursday when the elections were taking place. It might just have had an effect.
The bin strike is mis-timed. They should have done it last Wednesday and Thursday when the elections were taking place. It might just have had an effect.
Posted by: roland rat, a bin near you on 5:27pm Wed 7 May 08
can anyone tell us exactly how much the bin men currently earn and how much of a cut is involved? i drove down the street today and they were out "collecting". all the bins are on wheels, they only have to wheel them to the wagon and press a button....not exactly rocket science?? in my day, the bin man would have to pick the bin on his shoulder and heave out the crap, with some of it going all over him. not these days, we have to sort all the rubbish out and you cant overfill the bin. all i see nowadays is some 19yr old with a fag in his hand having an easy ride. before you come down my throat, no one is forcing them to do the job....maybe we should bring 1 year contracts out and if you don't like your job or your pay....get another job!!! i'm sick of all the whining people in this country. you forget what it was like for us old uns!!!
can anyone tell us exactly how much the bin men currently earn and how much of a cut is involved? i drove down the street today and they were out "collecting". all the bins are on wheels, they only have to wheel them to the wagon and press a button....not exactly rocket science?? in my day, the bin man would have to pick the bin on his shoulder and heave out the crap, with some of it going all over him. not these days, we have to sort all the rubbish out and you cant overfill the bin. all i see nowadays is some 19yr old with a fag in his hand having an easy ride. before you come down my throat, no one is forcing them to do the job....maybe we should bring 1 year contracts out and if you don't like your job or your pay....get another job!!! i'm sick of all the whining people in this country. you forget what it was like for us old uns!!!
Posted by: kara miller, blackburn on 5:33pm Wed 7 May 08
i think not emptying he bins this week is appaling because they rufuse to collect your bin if you have more house hold rubbish in your bin than you should and the people who have not had there bin collected this week will have extra house hold waste for the next few weeks. I
think something Needs to be done about this!
i think not emptying he bins this week is appaling because they rufuse to collect your bin if you have more house hold rubbish in your bin than you should and the people who have not had there bin collected this week will have extra house hold waste for the next few weeks. I
think something Needs to be done about this!
Posted by: anon, blackburn on 5:34pm Wed 7 May 08
ever since labour has been in power there has been strikes after stickes, when will they ever listen to the people, if it wasnt for the people there wouldn't be a uk for the labour to run. GREED labour
ever since labour has been in power there has been strikes after stickes, when will they ever listen to the people, if it wasnt for the people there wouldn't be a uk for the labour to run. GREED labour
Posted by: Barry, Mill Hill on 5:38pm Wed 7 May 08
LETS ALL DUMP OUR RUBBISH OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL OFFICES IF THERE ARE NO COLLECTIONS THAT WE PAY FOR
LETS ALL DUMP OUR RUBBISH OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL OFFICES IF THERE ARE NO COLLECTIONS THAT WE PAY FOR
Posted by: a disgruntled Blackburn resident, Blackburn on 5:50pm Wed 7 May 08
This is madness, at least the recycling got emptied as it was done by an outside contractor, prehaps all the rubbish should go to outside firms... where is the guy with his own bin truck that was in the LET the other week, now is your chance mate. As for doing it last week when it was election time, what difference would that have made, the councillors don't feel we deserve a visit. Phil Riley (lab) even had the cheek to say in his leaflet that people feel that councillors only turn up at election time, well where was he? all we got was his leaflet, no personal visit!!! Role on a general election get Labour out.... they don't care about any workers just the layabouts that can't be bothered getting a job and happily claim their many benefits....
This is madness, at least the recycling got emptied as it was done by an outside contractor, prehaps all the rubbish should go to outside firms... where is the guy with his own bin truck that was in the LET the other week, now is your chance mate. As for doing it last week when it was election time, what difference would that have made, the councillors don't feel we deserve a visit. Phil Riley (lab) even had the cheek to say in his leaflet that people feel that councillors only turn up at election time, well where was he? all we got was his leaflet, no personal visit!!! Role on a general election get Labour out.... they don't care about any workers just the layabouts that can't be bothered getting a job and happily claim their many benefits....
Posted by: Blossom, Blackburn on 6:22pm Wed 7 May 08
Why is it right that the binmen take out their issues with the public? Their management have assesed the role they do and have found that they have been paid too much for too long. Think yourself lucky you haven't been asked to pay your overpayments back! Good point made above about finishing your day by 2.30pm, it gives you time to find extra work to make up for the arrears you moan about. You have it a lot easier nowadays. you cant even be bothered to walk down the drive to collect a bin that has wheels on it!!
Why is it right that the binmen take out their issues with the public? Their management have assesed the role they do and have found that they have been paid too much for too long. Think yourself lucky you haven't been asked to pay your overpayments back! Good point made above about finishing your day by 2.30pm, it gives you time to find extra work to make up for the arrears you moan about. You have it a lot easier nowadays. you cant even be bothered to walk down the drive to collect a bin that has wheels on it!!
Posted by: get a grip, roadside on 6:22pm Wed 7 May 08
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me.
http://wiki.answers.
com/Q/What_does_a_bi
n_man_earn
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me.
http://wiki.answers.
com/Q/What_does_a_bi
n_man_earn
Posted by: Paul, Blackburn on 6:36pm Wed 7 May 08
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don't get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being affected but increased.
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don't get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being affected but increased.
Posted by: Jay, In your face on 6:44pm Wed 7 May 08
As s service provider, ie everyone pays an amount of council tax, depending upon which band/area you reside, if that service is removed and collections are not done when agreed to by the contractor, in this case BWDC, should we be due a refund for non collection of our refuse, but we are still forced to pay even though that service is temporarily removed?
Won't hold my breath but hopefully you get my point?
As to mistiming ... you got that right. Weather is finally turning for the better, in the tail end between Spring and Summer proper. What will that bring I wonder to unemptied bins, bags? Do we need to draw a picture for the council or can they work it out for themselves?
Quick to pounce on anyone for non-payment of Labour's coffers *cough, ahem* I mean what is commonly known as 'Council Tax' and threats of court action, imprisonment for falling behind with your payments?
So, what action the average tax payer take when those servives are removed yet, as we all know, we will not get a rebate for the loss? Therefore, the tax payer is paying for something that is not being provided?
I wonder where trading standards would figure in that?
I said elsewhere last night on a related report that I agree with all this in principle ... But there is another principle to consider as I hopefully explained above.
Why should people pay council tax, even expect to pay it, when no refuse collection is being provided as per our council tax leaflets and so on?
Surely, the council has a contractual obligation to provide them, not inflict the side effects of what uncollected bins will have on neighbourhoods, health and the local ecology or, where no such service is immediately available, provide an alternative? After all, we are ALL still paying regardless.
So, what will happen? 3 weeks with unemptied bins. What's the betting that the 'snappers' will be out just waiting to catch someone's bin cos it's four inches above the alleged legal requirements as happened in Cumbria recently? No, they won't take a strike as an excuse, because young, old, elderly, disabled, ill you will STILL have been expected not to fill your bins to overflowing and have made alternative arrangements to take any excess rubbish to the tip. Again, at whose expense? Can we bill the council?
Now, naturally, it will be us, the council tax payer's fault for not having the foresight during the strike and to 'limit' the amount we throw into our bins?
Won't hold my breath.
I will be watching with interest whether any council worker jumps on this perfect opportunity to impune some poor family/person for overflowing their bins during this period. Despite it being the council's responsibility to remove them. As paid for.
As s service provider, ie everyone pays an amount of council tax, depending upon which band/area you reside, if that service is removed and collections are not done when agreed to by the contractor, in this case BWDC, should we be due a refund for non collection of our refuse, but we are still forced to pay even though that service is temporarily removed?
Won't hold my breath but hopefully you get my point?
As to mistiming ... you got that right. Weather is finally turning for the better, in the tail end between Spring and Summer proper. What will that bring I wonder to unemptied bins, bags? Do we need to draw a picture for the council or can they work it out for themselves?
Quick to pounce on anyone for non-payment of Labour's coffers *cough, ahem* I mean what is commonly known as 'Council Tax' and threats of court action, imprisonment for falling behind with your payments?
So, what action the average tax payer take when those servives are removed yet, as we all know, we will not get a rebate for the loss? Therefore, the tax payer is paying for something that is not being provided?
I wonder where trading standards would figure in that?
I said elsewhere last night on a related report that I agree with all this in principle ... But there is another principle to consider as I hopefully explained above.
Why should people pay council tax, even expect to pay it, when no refuse collection is being provided as per our council tax leaflets and so on?
Surely, the council has a contractual obligation to provide them, not inflict the side effects of what uncollected bins will have on neighbourhoods, health and the local ecology or, where no such service is immediately available, provide an alternative? After all, we are ALL still paying regardless.
So, what will happen? 3 weeks with unemptied bins. What's the betting that the 'snappers' will be out just waiting to catch someone's bin cos it's four inches above the alleged legal requirements as happened in Cumbria recently? No, they won't take a strike as an excuse, because young, old, elderly, disabled, ill you will STILL have been expected not to fill your bins to overflowing and have made alternative arrangements to take any excess rubbish to the tip. Again, at whose expense? Can we bill the council?
Now, naturally, it will be us, the council tax payer's fault for not having the foresight during the strike and to 'limit' the amount we throw into our bins?
Won't hold my breath.
I will be watching with interest whether any council worker jumps on this perfect opportunity to impune some poor family/person for overflowing their bins during this period. Despite it being the council's responsibility to remove them. As paid for.
Posted by: asif khan audley, Blackburn on 6:54pm Wed 7 May 08
my bin is due to be emptied tomorrow but I dont know whether it will be as it the above article it doeant state what areas are affected.
I do in some sense agree with the workers for striking,how many of us would like a pay cut never mind a rise.The fat cats should cut they wages and pass it on to the lower paid workers.like the above mentioned the weather is finally getting nice and its got going to help with over flowing bins.
my bin is due to be emptied tomorrow but I dont know whether it will be as it the above article it doeant state what areas are affected.
I do in some sense agree with the workers for striking,how many of us would like a pay cut never mind a rise.The fat cats should cut they wages and pass it on to the lower paid workers.like the above mentioned the weather is finally getting nice and its got going to help with over flowing bins.
Posted by: debs, b/burn on 7:36pm Wed 7 May 08
we should all get a rebate.on our council tax, due to how long the strike lasts..
we should all get a rebate.on our council tax, due to how long the strike lasts..
Posted by: COUNCIL REBEL on 9:00pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]get a grip[/bold] wrote:
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn[/quote] [bold]What planet are you on![/bold] That is incorrect BWDBC don't even pay half of that.
Then all BWD pay is pro rota. Which means there is 37 hours in a working week.You get payed for the hours you work divided by the 37. Then you times this figure and by the way not by 52 as you have to then divide your working weeks by 52. Then times it.May I remind you it is not just bin men on strike but all those in that UNION who have been affected by this stupid pay and reward!Maybe the people who actually earn less should have been the winners in the first place ! GOOD LUCK WITH IT. But we know from the meetings we have had that no discussion exists, appeals are slightly won in the fact they move your increment level only but you are still left demorlised and undervalved in whatever capacity you work for with BWDBC.They havent listened if all the workforced who wer p****d off with thid did walk out. Then that would be something! SOLIDARITY
get a grip wrote:
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn
What planet are you on! That is incorrect BWDBC don't even pay half of that.
Then all BWD pay is pro rota. Which means there is 37 hours in a working week.You get payed for the hours you work divided by the 37. Then you times this figure and by the way not by 52 as you have to then divide your working weeks by 52. Then times it.May I remind you it is not just bin men on strike but all those in that UNION who have been affected by this stupid pay and reward!Maybe the people who actually earn less should have been the winners in the first place ! GOOD LUCK WITH IT. But we know from the meetings we have had that no discussion exists, appeals are slightly won in the fact they move your increment level only but you are still left demorlised and undervalved in whatever capacity you work for with BWDBC.They havent listened if all the workforced who wer p****d off with thid did walk out. Then that would be something! SOLIDARITY
Posted by: soap opera, coronation st on 9:43pm Wed 7 May 08
could anyone live to work for a pay cut.try making the council members a non paid job again and see hoe many of them would still do it.most of these ppl make more from the taxpayers money then they could having a real job.there is one council member who is his wifes sole carer and he still as time to be a council member and a letter in the lt every day
could anyone live to work for a pay cut.try making the council members a non paid job again and see hoe many of them would still do it.most of these ppl make more from the taxpayers money then they could having a real job.there is one council member who is his wifes sole carer and he still as time to be a council member and a letter in the lt every day
Posted by: Fact on 9:47pm Wed 7 May 08
[bold][quote]like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me.
http://wiki.answers.
com/Q/What_does_a_bi
n_man_earn[/quote] [bold]bold
I AM AFRAID WIKI .ANSWERS IS WAY OFF THE MARK.These workers are striking because they have had wage cuts, and to add insult to injury have been issued with 90 days notice if they do not accept what the ruling junta dicate.
Let me give you some examples of these cuts.
Ground Maintenance from £14141, down to £ 12291. Refuse Collectors from £ 16459 down to £ 15153. Street Cleansing down from £ 15625 to £ 13338. Nursery Nurses down from £ 14493 to £ 12694. How does these salaries compare with the top people earning £ 140k, then asking for a 10% bonus for doing their job properly.Perhaps Councillors Lee, Rigby, Melia or Foster would like to deny these cuts.
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me.
http://wiki.answers.
com/Q/What_does_a_bi
n_man_earn
bold
I AM AFRAID WIKI .ANSWERS IS WAY OFF THE MARK.These workers are striking because they have had wage cuts, and to add insult to injury have been issued with 90 days notice if they do not accept what the ruling junta dicate.
Let me give you some examples of these cuts.
Ground Maintenance from £14141, down to £ 12291. Refuse Collectors from £ 16459 down to £ 15153. Street Cleansing down from £ 15625 to £ 13338. Nursery Nurses down from £ 14493 to £ 12694. How does these salaries compare with the top people earning £ 140k, then asking for a 10% bonus for doing their job properly.Perhaps Councillors Lee, Rigby, Melia or Foster would like to deny these cuts.
Posted by: get a grip, checkin yr bin on 9:48pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]COUNCIL REBEL[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]get a grip[/bold] wrote: like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn[/quote] [bold]What planet are you on![/bold] That is incorrect BWDBC don't even pay half of that. Then all BWD pay is pro rota. Which means there is 37 hours in a working week.You get payed for the hours you work divided by the 37. Then you times this figure and by the way not by 52 as you have to then divide your working weeks by 52. Then times it.May I remind you it is not just bin men on strike but all those in that UNION who have been affected by this stupid pay and reward!Maybe the people who actually earn less should have been the winners in the first place ! GOOD LUCK WITH IT. But we know from the meetings we have had that no discussion exists, appeals are slightly won in the fact they move your increment level only but you are still left demorlised and undervalved in whatever capacity you work for with BWDBC.They havent listened if all the workforced who wer p****d off with thid did walk out. Then that would be something! SOLIDARITY[/quote] oh gosh you mean you get paid for the actual hours you work?? what more do you want. the way you have explained it is completely fair. of course you should be paid pro rota, if you dont do 37 hrs. you want paying for hours you dont work?? and no you shouldnt get paid over 52 weeks cos you dont collect my feckin rubbish 52 weeks of the year. if you are demoralised or feel undervalued i suggest you look at the jobs pages this week and find another job. nobody is forcing you to do your job. i am sure your contract has a clause which says you may terminate your employment. there are plenty of people who are waiting to take your place. i bet theres loads of people who wouldnt mind pushing a bin from pavement to road and back. and finally, you still haven't revealed the pay that the bin men get. at least i provided a link to show where i got my figures from. so over to you, put up or shut up. and sort my refund out if you aint collecting my crap, remember, im paying your wages!!
COUNCIL REBEL wrote:
get a grip wrote: like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn
What planet are you on! That is incorrect BWDBC don't even pay half of that. Then all BWD pay is pro rota. Which means there is 37 hours in a working week.You get payed for the hours you work divided by the 37. Then you times this figure and by the way not by 52 as you have to then divide your working weeks by 52. Then times it.May I remind you it is not just bin men on strike but all those in that UNION who have been affected by this stupid pay and reward!Maybe the people who actually earn less should have been the winners in the first place ! GOOD LUCK WITH IT. But we know from the meetings we have had that no discussion exists, appeals are slightly won in the fact they move your increment level only but you are still left demorlised and undervalved in whatever capacity you work for with BWDBC.They havent listened if all the workforced who wer p****d off with thid did walk out. Then that would be something! SOLIDARITY
oh gosh you mean you get paid for the actual hours you work?? what more do you want. the way you have explained it is completely fair. of course you should be paid pro rota, if you dont do 37 hrs. you want paying for hours you dont work?? and no you shouldnt get paid over 52 weeks cos you dont collect my feckin rubbish 52 weeks of the year. if you are demoralised or feel undervalued i suggest you look at the jobs pages this week and find another job. nobody is forcing you to do your job. i am sure your contract has a clause which says you may terminate your employment. there are plenty of people who are waiting to take your place. i bet theres loads of people who wouldnt mind pushing a bin from pavement to road and back. and finally, you still haven't revealed the pay that the bin men get. at least i provided a link to show where i got my figures from. so over to you, put up or shut up. and sort my refund out if you aint collecting my crap, remember, im paying your wages!!
Posted by: TRACEY, DARWEN on 9:50pm Wed 7 May 08
MY OUR BINS ARE GOING OUT TONIGHT READY FOR COLLECTION IN MORNIN AND THEY'LL STAY THERE TILL THEY'RE EMPTIED ONLY WE'LL ADD TO IT EACH DAY then the streets will need cleaning also JUST MAKING MORE WORK
MY OUR BINS ARE GOING OUT TONIGHT READY FOR COLLECTION IN MORNIN AND THEY'LL STAY THERE TILL THEY'RE EMPTIED ONLY WE'LL ADD TO IT EACH DAY then the streets will need cleaning also JUST MAKING MORE WORK
Posted by: Fact on 9:52pm Wed 7 May 08
I suggest " Get a Grip" goes onto the Council website and looks at the jobs.The he will see the salaries paid to those at the lower end.
Perhaps with all the c### he is spouting he would need a bin wagon for himself
I suggest " Get a Grip" goes onto the Council website and looks at the jobs.The he will see the salaries paid to those at the lower end.
Perhaps with all the c### he is spouting he would need a bin wagon for himself
Posted by: soap opera, coronation st on 9:53pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]TRACEY[/bold] wrote:
MY OUR BINS ARE GOING OUT TONIGHT READY FOR COLLECTION IN MORNIN AND THEY'LL STAY THERE TILL THEY'RE EMPTIED ONLY WE'LL ADD TO IT EACH DAY then the streets will need cleaning also JUST MAKING MORE WORK [/quote] wait for the fine to come through the door for your bin being out on the wrong day
TRACEY wrote:
MY OUR BINS ARE GOING OUT TONIGHT READY FOR COLLECTION IN MORNIN AND THEY'LL STAY THERE TILL THEY'RE EMPTIED ONLY WE'LL ADD TO IT EACH DAY then the streets will need cleaning also JUST MAKING MORE WORK
wait for the fine to come through the door for your bin being out on the wrong day
Posted by: bettlebug, bins on 9:54pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Fact[/bold] wrote:
[bold][quote]like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn[/quote] [bold]bold I AM AFRAID WIKI .ANSWERS IS WAY OFF THE MARK.These workers are striking because they have had wage cuts, and to add insult to injury have been issued with 90 days notice if they do not accept what the ruling junta dicate. Let me give you some examples of these cuts. Ground Maintenance from £14141, down to £ 12291. Refuse Collectors from £ 16459 down to £ 15153. Street Cleansing down from £ 15625 to £ 13338. Nursery Nurses down from £ 14493 to £ 12694. How does these salaries compare with the top people earning £ 140k, then asking for a 10% bonus for doing their job properly.Perhaps Councillors Lee, Rigby, Melia or Foster would like to deny these cuts.[/quote] Over 15k for moving wheelie bins?? I must say I agree with the council I'm afraid. it does seem a tad high. 90 days notice is also a bit excessive, tell them to sort themselves out with a months notice. We should stop bowing to demands made by these strikers holding us to ransom.
Fact wrote:
like the poster above said, it would be good to know what they earn. a quick google search states they earn between 30k and 50k a year. too much for wheeling a bin from pavement to the road and back, if u ask me. http://wiki.answers. com/Q/What_does_a_bi n_man_earn
bold I AM AFRAID WIKI .ANSWERS IS WAY OFF THE MARK.These workers are striking because they have had wage cuts, and to add insult to injury have been issued with 90 days notice if they do not accept what the ruling junta dicate. Let me give you some examples of these cuts. Ground Maintenance from £14141, down to £ 12291. Refuse Collectors from £ 16459 down to £ 15153. Street Cleansing down from £ 15625 to £ 13338. Nursery Nurses down from £ 14493 to £ 12694. How does these salaries compare with the top people earning £ 140k, then asking for a 10% bonus for doing their job properly.Perhaps Councillors Lee, Rigby, Melia or Foster would like to deny these cuts.
Over 15k for moving wheelie bins?? I must say I agree with the council I'm afraid. it does seem a tad high. 90 days notice is also a bit excessive, tell them to sort themselves out with a months notice. We should stop bowing to demands made by these strikers holding us to ransom.
Posted by: get a grip, your bin on 9:58pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Fact[/bold] wrote:
I suggest " Get a Grip" goes onto the Council website and looks at the jobs.The he will see the salaries paid to those at the lower end. Perhaps with all the c### he is spouting he would need a bin wagon for himself[/quote] very mature comment. if you want to debate at least have an argument. as i have already stated, no one is forced to do the job. if you dont like it, find another job. you are taking a job that someone else may want. they wont moan. like it or lump it as they say. government and local council workers have had it too easy for too long.
Fact wrote:
I suggest " Get a Grip" goes onto the Council website and looks at the jobs.The he will see the salaries paid to those at the lower end. Perhaps with all the c### he is spouting he would need a bin wagon for himself
very mature comment. if you want to debate at least have an argument. as i have already stated, no one is forced to do the job. if you dont like it, find another job. you are taking a job that someone else may want. they wont moan. like it or lump it as they say. government and local council workers have had it too easy for too long.
Posted by: mick cassidy, blackburn on 11:14pm Wed 7 May 08
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don't get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being[/bold] affected but increased[bold]bold[/bold]
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don't get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being affected but increasedbold
Posted by: Jayne on 11:23pm Wed 7 May 08
Looks like the Wombles have got their work cut out in the next few weeks.
BRING BACK THE WOMBLES, REMEMBER YOUR A WOMBLE, REMEMBER YOUR A WOMBLE!!!!
Looks like the Wombles have got their work cut out in the next few weeks.
BRING BACK THE WOMBLES, REMEMBER YOUR A WOMBLE, REMEMBER YOUR A WOMBLE!!!!
Posted by: john, blackburn on 11:31pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don\\\'t get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being affected but increased.[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] this councillor earns 5k a year-would you put in 30/40 unsociable hours a week for that pittance?[bold]bold[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold]
Paul wrote:
Its about time we started supporting these workers, If this was happening to post workers or your works you would definately crave support. from what I can gather its about a company tearing up thier workers contract. what kind of society are we to allow this to happen to anybody? they are people just like you and me whos trying to get by in life maybe bring up a family and do the best in life, have a heart. If your bins don't get emptied, ring your councillor to try to resolve the matter thats why we pay them lots of money, and thats not being affected but increased.
this councillor earns 5k a year-would you put in 30/40 unsociable hours a week for that pittance?
Posted by: Mick Pearson, Blackburn on 11:38pm Wed 7 May 08
I doubt we will see any difference, our bins get missed most weeks anyway, then it takes days on end to get them emptied. The BWDBC are crap, God knows how they got all the excellence awards that they claim to have.
I doubt we will see any difference, our bins get missed most weeks anyway, then it takes days on end to get them emptied. The BWDBC are crap, God knows how they got all the excellence awards that they claim to have.
Posted by: potfat, Darwen on 4:06pm Thu 8 May 08
Feeling undervalued and demoralised, well you would be really feeling that way if you, like a large proportion of the workers in BwD were working on minimum wage, why not swap jobs with them, then there are a number of healthy active pensioners on around £6,000pa try that for a few years, council workers are not forced to do the jobs they do, if you dont like it look in the IT jobs section.
Feeling undervalued and demoralised, well you would be really feeling that way if you, like a large proportion of the workers in BwD were working on minimum wage, why not swap jobs with them, then there are a number of healthy active pensioners on around £6,000pa try that for a few years, council workers are not forced to do the jobs they do, if you dont like it look in the IT jobs section.
Posted by: IAN on 5:58pm Thu 8 May 08
WHAT DO YOU ALL NO,DO YOU LIKE RATS JUMPING OVER YOU HEAD,DO YOU LIKE NEEDLES STICKING IN YOU,DO YOU LIKE BAD SMELLS,DO YOU LIKE DISEASES.OK YOU CAN DO MY JOB CAUSE AM LEAVING THE COUNCIL AND GOING INTO A FACTORY,HOPE TO SEE YOU DOING THESE PLEASANT JOBS IN ALL WEATHERS.NO YOU WOULDNT,SUPPORT THE COUNCIL WORKERS AND LETS GET ON WITH ARE OWN JOBS
WHAT DO YOU ALL NO,DO YOU LIKE RATS JUMPING OVER YOU HEAD,DO YOU LIKE NEEDLES STICKING IN YOU,DO YOU LIKE BAD SMELLS,DO YOU LIKE DISEASES.OK YOU CAN DO MY JOB CAUSE AM LEAVING THE COUNCIL AND GOING INTO A FACTORY,HOPE TO SEE YOU DOING THESE PLEASANT JOBS IN ALL WEATHERS.NO YOU WOULDNT,SUPPORT THE COUNCIL WORKERS AND LETS GET ON WITH ARE OWN JOBS
Posted by: FRANK..JR.. on 7:13pm Thu 8 May 08
LETS ALL DUMP OUR RUBBISH OUTSIDE ROVERS FOOTBALL GROUND
LETS ALL DUMP OUR RUBBISH OUTSIDE ROVERS FOOTBALL GROUND
Posted by: get a grip, bin lorry on 8:36pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]IAN[/bold] wrote:
WHAT DO YOU ALL NO,DO YOU LIKE RATS JUMPING OVER YOU HEAD,DO YOU LIKE NEEDLES STICKING IN YOU,DO YOU LIKE BAD SMELLS,DO YOU LIKE DISEASES.OK YOU CAN DO MY JOB CAUSE AM LEAVING THE COUNCIL AND GOING INTO A FACTORY,HOPE TO SEE YOU DOING THESE PLEASANT JOBS IN ALL WEATHERS.NO YOU WOULDNT,SUPPORT THE COUNCIL WORKERS AND LETS GET ON WITH ARE OWN JOBS[/quote] Well good luck in the factory job application mate, although I would suggest you spell better on your application form. Just for the record, before you feck off to pastures new, can you explain at what point exactly did you get forced into becoming a binman? Did you not realise at the time of applying that you would be working in all weathers or be subjected to bad smells? If you don't like it, which you obviously don't, then go and do something else. I'm sure the factory boss will pay you the money you deserve for the hard work that you intend to do.
IAN wrote:
WHAT DO YOU ALL NO,DO YOU LIKE RATS JUMPING OVER YOU HEAD,DO YOU LIKE NEEDLES STICKING IN YOU,DO YOU LIKE BAD SMELLS,DO YOU LIKE DISEASES.OK YOU CAN DO MY JOB CAUSE AM LEAVING THE COUNCIL AND GOING INTO A FACTORY,HOPE TO SEE YOU DOING THESE PLEASANT JOBS IN ALL WEATHERS.NO YOU WOULDNT,SUPPORT THE COUNCIL WORKERS AND LETS GET ON WITH ARE OWN JOBS
Well good luck in the factory job application mate, although I would suggest you spell better on your application form. Just for the record, before you feck off to pastures new, can you explain at what point exactly did you get forced into becoming a binman? Did you not realise at the time of applying that you would be working in all weathers or be subjected to bad smells? If you don't like it, which you obviously don't, then go and do something else. I'm sure the factory boss will pay you the money you deserve for the hard work that you intend to do.
Posted by: Sweaty, the beach on 3:11pm Fri 9 May 08
Lol they all wanted suntans.
Lol they all wanted suntans.
Posted by: Sweaty, the beach on 3:12pm Fri 9 May 08
Lol they all wanted suntans.
Lol they all wanted suntans.
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