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Unlike Fred, I do not wish to make this a matter to do with race, for it is not. so, let me be as clear as I can be. The sexual urge is the most basic human instinct, and when religion (and/or culture) represses it, it manifests itself in an ugly, wicked and perverted way. This applies to both the Church and to the Muslim community. Hence the reason for widespread incidents of child pornography and paedophilia within the Church. In this case, we have groups of repressed asian guys, forbidden from expressing and experiencing themselves sexually, from a very early age, trying to find an outlet for their repression in a very vile and evil way. They "use" white girls, in this case under age young girls, who are "easy" prey for them, to manipulate for their own gratification. Shame on them. They would not do this with girls from within their "own community" because it could not happen in public and would not be tolerated. This story is extremely disturbing and sickening. Asian youth, along with young people from ALL faiths, must be taught about sexual matters in an open way and allowed to feel their feelings as normal, natural feelings.

firstly i must say i'm delighted panorama have decided to expose this, after it has been constantly swept under the rug, despite a telegraph campaign thing last year (or year before). Not a race thing? This is. Yes you get 'white' paedophiles and black 'paedophiles' etc. but for some reason these men are not charged with the same crime. It is an asian problem, stemming from many cultural reasons which people are afraid to criticise, in fear of being labelled 'racist.' The main problem has been identified as arranged marriages, especially with foreign spouses, hence unhappy marriages and then these sexually unhappy men looking elsewhere. Asian omen/girls are taken or won't even consider extra-marital/pre-ma rital sex (usually) and the same can be said for a relationship in general regarding a relationship for 'white' girls/women with these (asian) men. Eas prey? children, ususally deprived ec. who are wooed into relationships and then stuck in them due to their addictions, not out of choice. Breaking the addicion is difficult and so must be fuelled; money, hence prostitution, organised or personal. So easily are lives ruined. It would be impossible for me o be a supporter of the BNP. I'm asian nand muslim. But, the only people who have really spoken up about this are the BNP, but with all the stigma attached to them their voice is not all tha loud. Activities of such men are sick and heinous. Muslims? they ignore it, due to a common lack of respect shown for women and especially 'white' women. Many non-asians ignore this for the same reason, branding these girls 'chavs,' 'slags' etc. Do they deserve this? Their lives being ruined? This behaviour is immoral, andalthough i write as a disgusted britons, Muslims should be disgusted above all, and should be at the fore of tackling this. But they are not. Some muslim cleric or whatever said in the news once that the BNP use this as propaganda, WHY NOT? Muslims don't seem to see the problem. There is a problem. What is the solution? Fisrtly there MUST be tougher sentences-charge them not only with grooming, but drug supply and paedophilia; thats a lengthy sentence. But even the CPS won't do this as it would appear 'racist.' Not prosecuting them and reporting this is racist, to both white and asian people, as it victimises the white and keeps the asian affiliated withthis filth. God forbid I 'find' one of these men.

sorry about a few typos, the spell checker wasn't on. i just want to reiterate my disgust at this, and pray my disgust is shared by all people, especially asian and muslim. i'd love to 'reeducate' these men. heck i'm not even legally a man yet. contact me if you want to discuss combating this problem on: [bold]uatu.the.watcher89@g mail.com[/bold]

I am pleased that they are going to show a programme like this. It is happeneing in nelson as well not just blackburn, i know of a few girls that this has happened to. It is always the pakistanis that are doing this, but also thes young girls are from the ages of 14 and over,where do their mums think they are and have they no time for which they have to be in at night. These asians dont need to be re educated they get to my knowledge the same education as white boys and men and yet they dont do this to women. They need locking up thats what they need. The racism card is not wearing abit thin amongs us white people ITS ABOUT TIME WE STOPPED PUSSYFOOTING AROUND THEM AND MAKE A STANCE FOR OUR OWN RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY.[bold]bold[/bold] .

What a moron Merlin is. He says it is not a matter of race then explains exactly why it is a matter of race! Laughable were it not so serious. You can bet 100% that this documentary will try to implicate some white men in this case in order to satisfy the PC brigade. Also must say that most, if not all of these girls would be sexually active anyway, so they're not innocents in all this. It takes a certain kind of girl that would perform acts in this way!

i find it very sad that these people have to commit these perverted crimes on young girls. the only reason why this is,[quote]quote[/quote] because most of these poor girls have been let down by their own families and the judicial system.Unfortunately we live in a society were there are sick individuals around every corner but this does not mean we should tar everyone with the same brush and it is extremely worrying when we have individuals like Ray and Robert who seem to be stereotyping one and all be it for colour reasons or religion.I myself am Indian but 50% of my friends happen to be Pakistani's and they too are as disgusted as am i.

The men are nothing more than pimps who take advantage,The young girls need help

[quote][bold]Merlin, The Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Unlike Fred, I do not wish to make this a matter to do with race, for it is not. so, let me be as clear as I can be. The sexual urge is the most basic human instinct, and when religion (and/or culture) represses it, it manifests itself in an ugly, wicked and perverted way. This applies to both the Church and to the Muslim community. Hence the reason for widespread incidents of child pornography and paedophilia within the Church. In this case, we have groups of repressed asian guys, forbidden from expressing and experiencing themselves sexually, from a very early age, trying to find an outlet for their repression in a very vile and evil way. They "use" white girls, in this case under age young girls, who are "easy" prey for them, to manipulate for their own gratification. Shame on them. They would not do this with girls from within their "own community" because it could not happen in public and would not be tolerated. This story is extremely disturbing and sickening. Asian youth, along with young people from ALL faiths, must be taught about sexual matters in an open way and allowed to feel their feelings as normal, natural feelings.[/quote] Very well said, and you are Wright what you have wrote apart from the fact that grooming is predominately done by Asian men on young vulnerable white kids so it is a race issue. I am also concerned about the lack of Asian input about this problem which says to me this is a bigger issue than we think.

[quote][bold]iank[/bold] wrote: What a moron Merlin is. He says it is not a matter of race then explains exactly why it is a matter of race! Laughable were it not so serious. You can bet 100% that this documentary will try to implicate some white men in this case in order to satisfy the PC brigade. Also must say that most, if not all of these girls would be sexually active anyway, so they\'re not innocents in all this. It takes a certain kind of girl that would perform acts in this way![/quote] Ian, you clearly have not comprehended my main point, which was in response to Fred's original post (which was overtly racist and therefore removed by the LT). This particular story centres around asian guys, but my point was about repressive culture & religion leading to perversion and abhorrent acts. The fact that similar acts, although not identical, have taken place in the Church, by members of the clergy or priesthood, as well as within the dysfunctional muslim community, means it is not a racist issue in the wider sense.

Might I just inform people, that anyone Muslim who 'breaks' the rules is no longer a Muslim. And the 'Muslims' who take part, carry out and are involved in the sick acts are no longer Muslims. This country needs to get some serious laws into place. If this happened in Saudi - the people responsible would be be-headed, In pakistan - they would be thrown off a building, In Afghanistan - they would be shot, and in Iran - they would be hanged in public. But in this country they are put in prison, in a isolated wing with loads of other pervs. And all they do is share their dreams and their achievements. Serious crimes need serious punishment, it is a deterent, so anyone who thinks of doing a crime, will know what he will face when he gets caught!

why is it if you say anything against the asian community or the muslim faith you are made out to be a right wing member of the bnp or nf.are you not allowed free speech if you do not agree with there comments

I must say i am appalled by the Arrogance and Racism from some of my Fellow Britons. The Racists seem to forget the "White Raced" people responsible for sex trafficking. But im sure these Right Wing idiots will find some way to kid themselves thinking their Right. Oh the Double Standards . tut tut Fact: Racism = a [italic]Lack[/italic] of Intellience

There is no doubt that what has been happening has a strong racist element - that is racism against White people, and White people are supposed to accept this. Any concern White people express about racism against them is met with accusations that they themselves are being racist. Therefore poor White girls are abused and raped and White males and females are attacked and murdered by those from other Races that hate White people. The racial element is ignored by police and mainstream politicians and this produces a climate where it is easy for the sort of thing that is happening to White girls to continue. People are frightened to try to stop it and the Media to report it - hence a previously made programme on this subject was never aired. More girls have been abused in the meantime. Policians prefer to focus on their expenses being kept secret - only the legal action tkan by the government against the BNP brought this to the attention of people - hence the Panorama programme. It's not surprising increasing numbers of people are voting for the BNP as no other party acknowledges the situation.

Well said Clive. I agree with your summary of the situation. Those who ignore the high racial/cultural factor in this are either naive or delusional by letting their "anti racism" blindness rule their thought processes. Yes, there are white sex criminals, but anyone who knows about this specific problem will know that we are talking about an entirely different situation and an entirely different scale to priests or sad old men lurking around parks or on the internet. In Lancashire, Yorkshire, Birmingham, and elsewhere with significant ethnic populations, this specific strain of exploitation is primarily due to Asian groups of Muslim descent. Thats just the way it is, and its NOT "racist" to strongly point out this fact. To "observer" above, your "fact" is not a fact, its your OPINION. Your *opinion* is that "racists" are lacking in intelligence, wheras a *fact* would be to say that its predominantly Asian Muslim heritage youth perpretrating this crime. I would agree that the type of people who come with idiotic comments that "Asians smell" are racists of the ignorant and bigoted kind - however, you seem to show much ignorance yourself when you tar anyone who has strong poinions about racial matters as being essentially "thick". Enoch Powell was condemned as a "Racist" by people like yourself - but he was not - he did not hate anyone, did not feel superior to any other race. He was a highly intelligent man who was a patriot, a nationalist and a speaker for the white indigenous population. If he had been listened to back in the 60's, this problem we are talking about today would never have arisen in the first place. People who shout "racism" with no deep grasp of the topic of race or racism other than idiotic notions its about "ignorance" and "funny names" arguably got us into this situation in the first place - and they still continue with their ignorance of racial situations at the detrement to the overall wellbeing of the indigenous population of this land. I just wonder what spin the BBC can put on the program to take the heat out of the fire. I believe that if the Muslim man had not have spoken out and been with the programme, it would not have been shown, especially close to election time. So the BBC must be upto some sort of contortion to try and diffuse the situation and hoodwink the public that its being dealt with so that the so called "far right" dont gain votes from the issue. I think that if it wasnt for the BNP and similar parties like EFP starting to make large gains around the country, this programme would not have been made at all. Im expecting quite a lot of programs before May that will tell us "its all under control"....whether it be immigrants going home by the thousand, this problem being sorted, and other miraculous revelations and cures on the horizon that will never ever appear, so that the right "result" can be achieved in the elections and ensure the three headed donkey of Labour, Liberals and Conservatives can continue just like before. Look out for new task forces, new enquiries, promising of more funding, some more 'tough talk' about a whole swathe of things to fool the public yet again.

GREAT BRITAIN , Is`nt so great anymore. 5hit scared of the racist card and over run.Sad times when your not allowed to voice your oppinion in your own country..

It was reported today on BBC's Northwest news that in the midlands, the people who carry out this sort of behaviour are mainly Afro-Carribean gangs. In the south of England, the gangs are made up of white people. The problem is that the gangs involved in these sort of illegal activities in Lancashire are Asian. It is a nationwide problem. Across all races.

I have never heard that the indigenous population have had anything to do with this. I would love to see some proof. By White I think they may mean Albanian gangs who happen to be Muslim too - I simply don't believe that real English, German, Swedish, French, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Belgian, Polish, Hungarian, Czech, Swiss people etc. are responsible - call me a racist for this statement if you like. I prefer to tell the truth even if it meands I have to live with this label. A lot of young White girls suffer far greater abuse.

I don't care whether those responsible are asian, white, black or yellow, Muslim,hindu,jew or christian, all i expect is the police to treat this problem seriously and stamp it out.I do believe though that there is a reluctance by the police to effectively police the asian community!

I think in general this problem is perpetrated by asians than other ethnic groups. I think this is the reason why such a serious crime has allowed to go so out of cntrol. What is effectively child rape, as these girls are often under the legalage of consent is treated with less gravity than car theft etc. To be frank I think this is because the police are so massively biased towards other ethnic groups that they police these communities less diligently than they should.

At the end of the day, Blackburn is a complete dump with an ever growing moronic element. I am 25 and cannot wait to leave this town and probably this country. How things have changed. One noticeable difference is that within 50 years it is no longer the whites driving the BMWs and Mercs - it is the Asians, Blacks, Turks, Albanians and so on. What does that say about the whites? We are the ones deteriorating into the gutter.

[quote][bold]andy hall[/bold] wrote: I don't care whether those responsible are asian, white, black or yellow, Muslim,hindu,jew or christian, all i expect is the police to treat this problem seriously and stamp it out.I do believe though that there is a reluctance by the police to effectively police the asian community![/quote] Identifying who is involved is a vital step in dealing with the issue - especially if it is racial which this clearly is - despite attempts by some to pretend otherwise. If the racial aspect is ignored the problem will not be resolved. Al that will happen is that 'political correctness' wins and the losers are the White childen being pimped by Asian men.

Whilst I found the whole situation appalling. I am disgusted that the parents/carers of these young girls are not taking more care and control of where their children are and what they are doing. I was particularly disgusted at the clip where the police came upon a couple of youg girls and cars of young men loitering. I take exception to the comments made by the clearly accented Asian occupants of the car and their attitude and was outraged that the police officer made very little comment. I was also disgusted that these police officers did not request the name of the occupants or ask them what they were doing loitering and, more importantly why did they not take down the registration numbers of the vehicles? As for the prison sentences metered out to the two men mentioned in the programme - it's just a joke.

i feel it is unfair to make a claim that it is a asian problem. many other men are guilty of this charge however the fact is it is happening by asian men in blackburn and so you cannot help people branding one population. i found the programme quite disturbing last night. when the police went to talk to that young girl up at the cinema, i thought to myself i have also waited there befor but for a legitimate reason that is waiting for someone to pick me up once i got off the train. it made me wonder if there was men waiting in cars trying to decide if i was a pick up? it is such a horrible horrible thing that is going on. these people of mentally ill if they think this is ethical!!!! those men should of been locked away alot longer than 6 years. 6 years is nothing in comparison to the damage they have done to these poor girls.

Posters here pointing out that pimping is an international problem and affects all races are being obfuscatory. The problem here in Lancs is overwhelmingly one involving Asian men pimping White girls There is a racial issue here and of course elsewheere their may not be Race issue, indeed Eskimos may be pimping Congolese, may have in the past or may do so in the future, but is not relevant. Asians may say it is is racist to say this but it is also true. White girls deserve respect and protection and Asian pimps are Asian pimps. The indigenous population also has rights and should not be accused of racism every time it daoes, dsays or thinks anything. Look at the evidence in this case ASIAN MEN PIMPING DEFENCELESS WHITE GIRLS - it is not the other way around.

Woops - my previous comments are directed at Luke - not Peter. Sorry Peter!

I ALSO WATCHED THE PROGRAMME LAST NIGHT AND FOUND IT QUITE DISTURBING BUT I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND WHY DO THE MOTHERS OF THESE CHILDREN LET THEIR DAUGHTERS OUT AT SUCH LATE TIMES AT NIGHT. ALSO THE ASIAN MEN DO NOT PREY ON ASIAN GIRLS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL BE KILLED FOR IT IF THEIR ELDERS FIND OUT BUT IT SEEMS TO BE OK WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY TO DO THIS TO WHITE GIRLS. THERES ONLY ONE ANSWER FOR THIS WHEN THEY ARE CAUGHT CHOP THEIR GOOLIES OFF.[bold]bold[/bold]

Don't see many of Sameer Vohra's friends (100's by the looks of things) commenting on this.

The problem we have is that many of our young girls have been brainwashed into believing that foreign men are all cuddly and loveable, "the big brown puppy dog eye syndrome". My 15 yr old cannot be told anything remotely negative, even for her own good, its as if she has a mental block to seeing anything bad in them. However you try to warn her just to be carefull and not too trusting, you are met with almost accusatory comments of racism. And as for the suggestion that its white males, hey we are too busy being worked to death to find the time or the energy for anything like this. Please remember back to the days before mass immigration, yes the country had its own share of nutters and weirdos, but nothing like the scale we have today. This lies directly at the door of the multicult experiment, and thosde evil corrupt officials who have foistered it on a reasonably civilised country. It is a pan European problem, apparently some of the Nordic countries have such problems that their white girls cant walk alone at night. Its time to take part in the growing movement against the LibLab=Con, which still encourage mass immigration from culturally non compatible areas of the world, and back the BNP who warned of this problem years ago (and who the controlled media tried to silence through the courts)

PLEASE READ ALL! I'm sorry about this, I dont even know if anybody will bother lookin at this now but it is worth mentioning here that being a muslim and speakn absolute truth, I must say that Islam does not restrict muslims, it may be the culture they come from so please dnt look down on our faith because as soon as a boy is mature and can make a living or find a way of providing for his woman and cjildren to be, then he can marry and in order to refrain from boredom he can hav upto four wives. Read some Islamic mags or take an insite of Islam, but dnt speak without knowledge. Thanks alot

On returning from my holidays I guess bit late to comment but would like to point out that this is an international issue not just an Asian or a Blackburn issue. I am being equal here…there are problems in every corner of the country. Black, White, Asian or any other. I work in the education sector; I see problems from all areas. This is a BBC programme and media has a way of balancing this one way to do bit of propaganda and they are good at it. However, I remember from my research years back with the white gangs running the red light zones in Blackburn, Preston etc with under age girls. but this does not reach the news. Just 2 people carry out these acts and it’s caught the media’s attention. We need to tackle this issue from a neutral point. Ok as per the programme there are different race of people carrying out acts depending on the population of that group within that geographical location. The government are too soft and need to get extremely tough on sentences. I am working on educating parents and kids about paedophiles and protecting themselves from grooming on the net. The government are very slow, its taken me 6 months to get access to training so that I can be experienced to train others, resources are still low, very low…why lack the time and the resources for important jobs like this a least priority. There is a problem in every community. We Asians are extremely concerned too with under age Asian girls being groomed, yes there is a huge number, they are sexually exploited by Asians and even drifted on by the new immigrants. Sorry not to offend any good people from there but it is the case. This does not get in the news but it’s all there. So you are not alone. Yes Asians are a minority but we do need to do more on our behalf. Everyday the masses are educated in mosques and schools about this but the culprits who carry out these acts don’t see themselves as Asians or Muslims, they’re criminals and criminals don’t visit mosques and schools, they are Muslims by name and culture. Just a point here as I’ve read on this report of ‘Muslim Paedophiles’, come on, Qaiser Naveed an alcoholic, drug junkie for years, best friends are all white and no hallmark or a practicing Muslim, was nicknamed Nav and was embarrassed to be called an Asian, we don’t say a White Christian committed such a crime but when an Asian commits these atrocious crimes he is labelled as a Muslim. They need punishing and examples made so no more of these issues take place. Another anger I have is to those Muslims who are reading this… my anger is when a school teacher names her teddy Mohammed we get angry, where is your anger when a paedophile or a pervert named Mohamed (Ajmal Mohammed and many Mohammed’s) commits sexual crimes we don’t go round in anger and show these people how disgusted we are and show them what they have done to tarnish our beautiful deen and bring shame to our Prophets name? Next time a Muslim is named as a carrying out these treacherous acts, I want to see you in masses rallying for tough punishment for these culprits. See you outside Bangor! [bold]Its disgusting![/bold]

the men who pay to commit sexual acts on these children,are just as guilty!and should have there balls cut off.but the reality is that this problen will continue unabated for centurys to come,it,s allways been with us even before the first asian or afro carrabian stepped foot on these shores,the only serious way to tackle this problem is to make the punishment so severe for the pimp and the punter I.E mandentory 25 yr sentence (with no parole) this would be such a detterent it would without doubt reduce the risk to children to a point were such cases would be as rare as rocking horse S**t there is no point treating these people with kid gloves.

This type of thing to them seems just fine.....because they are doing it to there own anyway....sleeping and marrying cousins....as young as 11....its sick and its about time a new task force with the appropriate powers is created to tackle this immoral and disgusting behaviour....call themselves people of god...Jesus Christ help US!

[quote][bold]Jjjj[/bold] wrote: This type of thing to them seems just fine.....because they are doing it to there own anyway....sleeping and marrying cousins....as young as 11....its sick and its about time a new task force with the appropriate powers is created to tackle this immoral and disgusting behaviour....call themselves people of god...Jesus Christ help US![/quote] U've been watching too much TV Brother! U seen 11 yr olds getting married?!!! I see more 11 yr olds getting raped and abused (family abuse) by the White people. And ppl of God dont do these acts, they not...This guy in particular was known by many in Blackburn and he was a druggy, alcoholic and all his mates were White, I dont think he even knew what Islam was, So how is he a man of God?...u would'nt say IRA were ppl of God yet the Catholic Irish terrorised UK shorelands!!! Ignorance is not an excuse, learn about the real Muslims and then talk and not what u assume or see rubbish on TV. BTW Peace Be Upon Him (Jesus)

Its pretty simple what is wrong is wrong, just stop blaming each other and do something about it for goodness sake. talking here aint saved 1 of those girls has it.atleast use these posts to create a plan of action and group to help remove this problem geez, u guys are just like politicians action is what we need, enough talking!!!!!!!!

[quote][bold]Ray[/bold] wrote: firstly i must say i\'m delighted panorama have decided to expose this, after it has been constantly swept under the rug, despite a telegraph campaign thing last year (or year before). Not a race thing? This is. Yes you get \'white\' paedophiles and black \'paedophiles\' etc. but for some reason these men are not charged with the same crime. It is an asian problem, stemming from many cultural reasons which people are afraid to criticise, in fear of being labelled \'racist.\' The main problem has been identified as arranged marriages, especially with foreign spouses, hence unhappy marriages and then these sexually unhappy men looking elsewhere. Asian omen/girls are taken or won\'t even consider extra-marital/pre-ma rital sex (usually) and the same can be said for a relationship in general regarding a relationship for \'white\' girls/women with these (asian) men. Eas prey? children, ususally deprived ec. who are wooed into relationships and then stuck in them due to their addictions, not out of choice. Breaking the addicion is difficult and so must be fuelled; money, hence prostitution, organised or personal. So easily are lives ruined. It would be impossible for me o be a supporter of the BNP. I\'m asian nand muslim. But, the only people who have really spoken up about this are the BNP, but with all the stigma attached to them their voice is not all tha loud. Activities of such men are sick and heinous. Muslims? they ignore it, due to a common lack of respect shown for women and especially \'white\' women. Many non-asians ignore this for the same reason, branding these girls \'chavs,\' \'slags\' etc. Do they deserve this? Their lives being ruined? This behaviour is immoral, andalthough i write as a disgusted britons, Muslims should be disgusted above all, and should be at the fore of tackling this. But they are not. Some muslim cleric or whatever said in the news once that the BNP use this as propaganda, WHY NOT? Muslims don\'t seem to see the problem. There is a problem. What is the solution? Fisrtly there MUST be tougher sentences-charge them not only with grooming, but drug supply and paedophilia; thats a lengthy sentence. But even the CPS won\'t do this as it would appear \'racist.\' Not prosecuting them and reporting this is racist, to both white and asian people, as it victimises the white and keeps the asian affiliated withthis filth. God forbid I \'find\' one of these men. [/quote] it is alright for muslims to groom young white girls.But,why don't they groom there own young teenagers of there same faith.These people don't have no respect for there religion and humanity.If they done this kind of things in majority muslim countries they would stoned or lashed to death.The judge only gave them 5 and half years.When them two people out of prison they will start over again.Why not have them emigrated back to pakistan never allowed back into the U.K..The law in this country is totally beyond recongnition.[quote]

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