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I have been following Jose's story and am surprised the op has not been done yet. There was a surgeon who was prepared to help, is he still around? I wish him all the best and hope to meet him one day.

The entire Jehovah's Witnesses no blood doctrine is senseless and deadly. [bold]The Bible says nothing about blood transfusions[/bold] . They didn't exist when the Old Testament and Acts were written. The Bible passages in question (kosher law) have to do with diet. Neither the Jews nor other groups oppose blood transfusions because they don't try to put a spin on something that isn't there. If the Watchtower had not issued this prohibition, no Jehovah's Witness would oppose them on Biblical grounds. Danny Haszard

The Jehovah's Witness troll that stalks Danny Haszard is pitiful. This is what the Watchtower followers are really like. Is this why the 'man with no face' waited so long because of cult intimidation of taking a blood transfusion?

Hi everyone this is about the man with no face Mr Danny H is on every comment board I have ever seen that has Jehovah's Witnesses somewhere. People are most likely, like myself tired of seeing his name and don't care to see all of his anti witness opinions... I am here to read the NEWS not Deal with personal conflicts.. I understand the man with no face. It's funny how people blame God when bad things happen. They accuse him of taking loved ones when they die, saying it was meant to be. Yet, if they truely believed what they said that god takes people when he wants why do they go for medical proceedures to try to extend thier lives? Not all surgeries need blood... Has anyone been reading about stored blood losing it's life saving effects after being stored a certaion length of time and the dangers that it can pose? The man with no face is still a human. It would be nice to leave his personal belief out of it. You will never understand faith like his untill you have the faith in Jehovah that he has. He awaits Bible promises that will allow him to live in a restored paradise with a perfect body like Adam and Eve could of had. Blood is spoken of in the Bible as the gift of life and God asks that if it is pour out that it stays on the ground as he has the right to use this gift the way he wants to.. In saying that not eveyone believes in Him and that is fine. We all can make choices. Lets focus on getting along and keeping up the encouragment to ones like in the article above. May the man with no Face and others fine peace in their faith and may we all learn to love.

PS the Bible says nothing about taking illegal drugs by intervenus, Does that make it oK? Not likely... The Bible is full of Principles we have free will and make choices according to our faith. We are not told YES or NO we make a PERSONAL choice and are happy with that. We all follow rules everyday we wake up. It might be stopping at a stop sign or getting to work on time.

[quote][bold]Jake[/bold] wrote: Hi everyone this is about the man with no face Mr Danny H is on every comment board I have ever seen that has Jehovah's Witnesses somewhere. People are most likely, like myself tired of seeing his name and don't care to see all of his anti witness opinions... I am here to read the NEWS not Deal with personal conflicts.. I understand the man with no face. It's funny how people blame God when bad things happen. They accuse him of taking loved ones when they die, saying it was meant to be. Yet, if they truely believed what they said that god takes people when he wants why do they go for medical proceedures to try to extend thier lives? Not all surgeries need blood... Has anyone been reading about stored blood losing it's life saving effects after being stored a certaion length of time and the dangers that it can pose? The man with no face is still a human. It would be nice to leave his personal belief out of it. You will never understand faith like his untill you have the faith in Jehovah that he has. He awaits Bible promises that will allow him to live in a restored paradise with a perfect body like Adam and Eve could of had. Blood is spoken of in the Bible as the gift of life and God asks that if it is pour out that it stays on the ground as he has the right to use this gift the way he wants to.. In saying that not eveyone believes in Him and that is fine. We all can make choices. Lets focus on getting along and keeping up the encouragment to ones like in the article above. May the man with no Face and others fine peace in their faith and may we all learn to love.[/quote] [italic][bold]He awaits Bible promises that will allow him to live in a restored paradise with a perfect body like Adam and Eve could of had.[/bold][/italic] HUH?? So,as a devout Jehovah's Witnesses he should live with his affliction now because of no blood transfusion? Is this what God really wants?

Since there has been open heart surgeries [bold]without[/bold] blood I see no reason why a person cannot have [bold]any[/bold] surgery without blood.

This is such a sad story and the saddest thing about it is that this so does not have to happen. Poster Danny Haszard got it right when he said that the JW prohibition against blood transfusion is not Biblical. It is another case of the Watchtower taking a clear Bible passage out of context and adding their own regulations to it. Perhaps they have never read what God says will happen to anyone who adds or subtracts from His inspired word? Deaths due to the transfusion ban are going to be the least of the WTs worries when they find that God is going to hold them accountable for their teachings.

A blood transfusion is not a necessary part of any operation. I know many people who have had cancer or some other disease and have taken a blood transfusion and have died. My finance was one of them. So taking a blood transfusion is no guarantee to live. We are all human and we die. That is a fact of life. People die everyday who take blood transfusions. I would be willing to bet that if there was some statistic on people who have taken blood transfusions and have died you would probably be shocked. There are thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who go to surgery everyday without blood transfusions and live. So to say that a blood transfusion is a necessary part of any operation is an exaggeration. A blood transfusion is no guarantee that you will live. In fact it can complicate matters and cause your death. http://findarticles. com/p/articles/mi_qn 4156/is_20061224/ai_ n17077094 http://www.scienceda ily.com/releases/200 8/01/080103134411.ht m http://www.scienceda ily.com/releases/200 7/12/071201082321.ht m

Read this http://findarticles. com/p/articles/mi_qn 4156/is_20061224/ai_ n17077094 http://www.scienceda ily.com/releases/200 8/01/080103134411.ht m http://www.scienceda ily.com/releases/200 7/12/071201082321.ht m

When I add up all of the facts; 1- That blood "transfusions" are not the same as eating blood. 2- That the scriptures themselves are always referring to the "eating or drinking" of ANIMAL blood that is forbidden (not transfusions). 3- That Saul's men were not killed after eating blood. 4- How the strictest of Jews today allow blood transfusions. 5- That no other religion on earth forbids blood transfusions based on what the bible actually says. 6- That Jesus clearly demonstrated how life (even that of an animal) was more important than a narrow, strict interpretation of the law, with the "animal that fell into a pit on the Sabbath" illustration he used, and the "Woman with a flow of blood" real-life example. 7- How the one donating blood is a LIVE donor and offering this blood to another person that is also alive and in need. 8- That the Society was wrong before about forbidding vaccinations and organ transplants and then reversed these decisions. Many loyal Witnesses nonetheless died from such stands. 9- And, the WT Society has now changed its position once again, instead of saying no to all blood, to now say "fractions" of blood are acceptable, even though the particular fractions approved and disapproved seem to have no particular rhyme or reason and we are still not allowed to donate blood nor store their own. Though they can use cow's blood. It seems fairly easy for me then, to come to the conclusion that the JWS ARE WRONG ON BLOOD!!! AND THOSE DYING FOR THIS BAD POLICY ARE DYING WITHOUT REASON!!!

Wondering Why People Call The Jehovah’s Witnesse Religion A Cult? Cults Are High Control Groups. So One Has To Ask,”Is The Jehovah Witness Religion A High Control Group?” Here Is some of The Evidence On It. It Gets Ignored All The Time. But Here It Goes Again. Once The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society™ Made A Mandate That Their Members Could Not Receive Vaccinations. If A Member Said I Do Not Agree And Received Vaccinations OR Gave Their Young Children Vaccinations They Would Be Disfellowshipped And Lose Their Entire Family. Once Disfellowshipped Not Even Your Family Can So Much As Take A Meal With You If You Go Against The Watchtower™. SOOOOOOooo, Jehovah’s Witnesses Didn’t Take Vaccinations And Some Died. Even CHILDREN Died. Then One Day The Watchtower Society Says They Have New Light™ And So Now Jehovah’s’ People May In Good Conscience Take Vaccinations. So, Then, The People AND Children Who Died Not Taking Vaccinations….Who Did They Die For? Did They Die For Jehovah? Or For The Watchtower Bible And Tract Corporation™? Did The Bible Say Not To Take Vaccinations? Or Was It Just A Dogmatic Mandate made by MEN? Although There Were Other Health Mandates I Will Skip Them And Go To Another Biggie. Organ Transplants. At One Time The Watchtower Society™ Said No Organ Transplants For Their Members. To Receive Life Saving Organ Transplants Was Considered Cannibalism By The Slave Class™. If A Jehovah’s Witness Received An Organ Transplant Or Allowed Their CHILD To Receive A Life Saving Organ Transplant They Were Disfellowshipped. Shunned. Losing All Family,Friends,And A Voice In The Congregation. If A Jehovah’s Witness Questioned The Dogmatic Doctrine Of No Organ Transplants They Were Accused Of “Running Ahead Of Jehovah’s Organization”. Apostasy! Then New Light™ Comes From The Slave Class. Jehovah’s People Can Now Receive Organ Transplants. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses Died Including CHILDREN. Did The GOD Say Not To Receive Life Saving Organ Transplants? Or Was It Just A Dogmatic Mandate from 12 or so fallible men sitting up in a NewYork office? Now I Will Go To Another Biggie, BLOOD. Not Whole Blood Just Fractions. Jehovah’s Witnesses Latest Medical Mandate Is No Blood. Science Develops New Treatment For Hemophiliacs Using Blood Fractions. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses Hemophiliacs And Parents Of Children Who Are Hemophiliacs Whose Doctors Have Told Them About This New Treatment Call Bethel. The Watchtower Society™ Says No Blood Fractions. Even Just A Part Of The Blood Is Still Blood. It Must Be Poured Out Onto The Ground. Many Die. Many CHILDREN Die. One Day The Slave Class™ Says They Have New Light™. Jehovah’s Witnesses May Now Receive Blood Fractions. Did GOD Say Not To Receive Life Saving Blood Fractions? To Not Allow Your Children To Receive Life Saving Blood Fractions? Did These Men, Women, And CHILDREN, Die For Jehovah? Or Did They Die For The Watchtower men sitting in Brooklyn? What Would Have Happened In Any Of These Medical Mandated Cases Had The Individual Jehovah’s Witness Said,” I Am Sorry But, I Must Save My Life That IS A Gift From God. I Believe The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society™ Is Wrong On This Point.” The Consequence For Disobedience To The Watchtower Even For Nobel Causes Is Disfellowshipment. The Loss Of Your World As You Know It. The Loss Of Your Family, Friends, And Support At The Kingdom Hall AND You Feel Are Made To Feel The Loss Of Your GOD. You Feel And Are Made To Feel As If You Are Worse Then Dead. Now Even Parents Allowed Their Children To Die (Be Killed) By Dogmatic Medical Mandate from men sitting in a Brooklyn office. So Is This A High Control Group? You Answer This For Yourself. Use YOUR God Given Conscience. It Is Yours. It Is A Gift. Nothing God Gives Is Broken No Matter What You Have Been Taught. You Do Not Need Any Man To Tell You What To Do On Any Righteous Matter. God Is Taking Care Of You.Listen To The Still Small Voice Of Our Heavenly Father’s Holy Spirit. I Did Not Touch The Subject Of Whole Blood This Time,Because You Must Also Answer This For Yourself. But Look At The Record Of The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society™. They Have Been Deadly Wrong Too Many Times. Do You Wish To Take The Blue Pill Or The Red?

i have just broused through some of the comments concerning "the man with no face" and what i see is lots of people condening this mans strong faith not just in his God Jehovah but also the organization which You Call a menacing cult do you remmember the cult of the solar temple or david corresh these are cults that are menacing people need to read the bible and see what it says then they would understand why this very brave man has strong faith and conviction. "MAY YOU CONTINUE TO BE STRONG AND MAY JEHOVAH CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU" PS 37:9-11,28,29

Regarding John Anson's comment on the [bold]"Man with no face"[/bold] , Anson is incorrect that blood transfusions are a necessary part of all surgeries. Most cutting-edge medical centers offer bloodless surgeries, and many use ONLY bloodless surgeries ... including the medical center where I worked prior to retiring. There are many superior substitutes for blood, since the primary need is for volume expanders, far more than for red-cells.

[quote][bold]Arthur Carden[/bold] wrote: Regarding John Anson's comment on the [bold]"Man with no face"[/bold] , Anson is incorrect that blood transfusions are a necessary part of all surgeries. Most cutting-edge medical centers offer bloodless surgeries, and many use ONLY bloodless surgeries ... including the medical center where I worked prior to retiring. There are many superior substitutes for blood, since the primary need is for volume expanders, far more than for red-cells.[/quote] [italic]"There are many superior substitutes for blood, since the primary need is for volume expanders, far more than for red-cells."[/italic] There is NO subsitute for blood. This is [bold]Jehovah's Witness propaganda[/bold] a body can go a long way on IV plasma volume expanders aka water,sugar and salt. Once your hemocrit count gets too low you are a gonna. Once again,please tell the truth blood transfusions are dangerous and are risky and DO kill people. Just like all medical procedures like organ transplants save lives and sometimes cause death by complications. It may very well be that this 'man with no face' can and hopefully will have corrective surgery without a blood transfusion.

My niece's Jehovah's Witness husband died from lack of blood transfusion. He left behind his newborn son, who to this day has not recovered from the loss of his father. Jesus gave his blood for us, blood was proven lifesaving. Mind control is a terrible thing.

What a tragedy that this poor fellow is expected to live under the restrictions of an ancient Hebrew dietary law that Jesus did away with long ago on the Cross.

Please read the following about Blood Transfusions: What Is the Bible’s View? Accept or Refuse Blood Transfusions? LIKELY you have read newspaper headlines such as: “Jehovah’s Witness Near Death, Refused Blood: Lives to Tell” and “Refusal to Accept Blood Worries Doctors in Kobe [Japan].” Reading such headlines, some persons have wondered, ‘Why would anyone refuse blood if his life is at stake?’ Yes, why do these Christians refuse blood? It is not primarily because of a fear of medical complications, but because of their firm religious convictions. Of course, informed persons realize that blood transfusions can be dangerous. As a lecturer on blood transfusion techniques, at a college in Scotland, wrote: “The risks of transfusion are many. Chance bacterial contamination, transmission of disease, blood group incompatibility and the risks of blood group immunisation, are especially important. Blood is not a magic substance and the advantages to the patient . . . should be carefully balanced against the risks.” Because of such dangers many doctors now try to avoid transfusing blood. But even if such dangers did not exist, Jehovah’s witnesses would refuse blood transfusions. They take this position because of realizing that this is not merely a medical issue to be decided by doctors or the local courts. It is a matter of Bible law involving Christians who specialize in Bible law, who recognize that they are under Bible law and who are determined to uphold Bible law. It is no passing whim, but is a vital moral issue as to God’s law against a human’s taking in blood in order to sustain his life. Note the evidence for this. Bible Statements on Blood While blood is often mentioned in the Bible, certain passages are particularly pertinent to the question of blood transfusions: As recorded in Genesis 9:3-6, Jehovah God presented to Noah and his family two regulations about regard for life. First, God said: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. . . . Only flesh with its soul [life]—its blood—you must not eat.” And, while man might kill an animal for food, about human life Jehovah decreed: “Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image he made man.” High regard for life—represented by blood—was also reflected in the law that God later gave the ancient Israelites: “Whenever your soul craves it you may slaughter [animals for food] . . . Only the blood you must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water. Simply be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the soul [or, life].”—Deut. 12:15, 16, 23; Lev. 17:10-14. After the death of Jesus the Christian congregation was formed. Were Christians under all the restrictions of the Mosaic law? No, but God was still opposed to the misuse of blood, which represented life. The Christian governing body ruled: “Abstain from things [sacrificed to] idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.”—Acts 15:19, 20, 28, 29; 21:25. Animals? Transfusions? It is true that some persons feel that these texts do not rule out blood transfusions. They believe that these verses present just dietary rules about animal blood, which seem to have little to do with transfusing human blood into the veins so as to save human life. And, furthermore, some persons say that these restrictions applied to Jews and Jewish Christians but are not binding on Christians now. Do you agree? It is true that Israelites receiving the Mosaic laws about blood would have had in mind the blood of animals killed for food or sacrifice. (Deut. 12:15, 16; Lev. 17:11) But how would they have treated human blood? For example, since the Creator designated blood as representing life, a Jew was prohibited from sustaining his life with animal blood. Even if his life were in jeopardy, it would have been a sin for him to consume animal blood. (1 Sam. 14:31-34) Now, do you think he would have concluded that animal blood was sacred and could not be used but that human blood was less sacred and could be? On the contrary, the Bible plainly shows that human life is higher than animal life. So if even animal blood (representing life) was too sacred to be used, would not human blood also be sacred? Some persons claim that the Bible restrictions about blood applied only to Jews. But is that so? Recall that long before the law was given through Moses, God had warned Noah—the progenitor of the whole human family—against misusing blood. Was God’s command a mere dietary law? Professor Gerhard von Rad has pointed out that Genesis 9:3, 4 “is not an isolated ‘dietary law’ at all . . . but an ordinance for all mankind.” (Genesis—A Commentary, 1961) Remember, too, that in Genesis 9:3-6 the prohibition on blood was linked with God’s statement about man’s having even higher regard for the life of other humans. Rabbi Benno Jacob observed: “The two prohibitions belong together. . . . The permission to eat meat, but without its blood, and the prohibition against shedding human blood indicate the place of man within the world of the living . . . In summary: the reason for the prohibition of blood is of a moral character. . . . Later Judaism regarded this passage as establishing fundamental ethics for every human being.” (Italics added) This is borne out by the decision of the Christian governing body recorded in Acts 15:19-29. Some persons have claimed that it was a mere temporary extension of the Mosaic law recommended for Christians so as not to offend Jewish sensibilities. But the Christian governing body clearly showed that Bible law requires Christians to continue to hold blood as sacred. What if, in an emergency, it seems that a blood transfusion apparently offers the best chance to “save a life”? One medical man points out that a patient in “full possession of his faculties has the right to accept or reject any particular form of medical treatment offered to him. This right is widely recognised already in the case of Roman Catholics . . . By the same token it is difficult to understand why a Jehovah’s Witness should not be allowed similar freedom to refuse blood transfusion. . . . Once one allows the principle that an individual has the right to choose for himself, then any action which over-rules that right is liable to become the thin end of a long wedge. . . . The State is gradually taking over the function of making decisions for the individual. It is in this way that free countries cease to be free and become totalitarian.” In virtually all situations there are alternative treatments that can be used if blood is not available or is refused. Even if that were not the case, is it not the course of freedom and regard for the rights of others to allow a person to choose what treatment he can accept? And this is even more vital if a Christian is refusing a treatment that violates his understanding of Bible law and the “fundamental ethics” by which he lives![bold]bold[/bold]

TO:Posted by: David R, Florida on 6:59am today REPLY,David you are a Watchtower apologist who just posted a rambling twisted Bible thumped cut & paste propaganda piece from Watchtower literature. This is the key point in dispute here and everywhere:The Watchtower ALLOWS 80% of what is in a bag of blood,[bold][italic]the leadership arbitarily decides what PARTS of blood can be used.[/italic][/bold] Sooo,if blood is ALL sacred to GOD where do they get the right to play God themselves and decide what parts of something that is ALL sacred can be used?? [bold]This isn't just an academic controversy,THOUSAND S of followers are DEAD over this!!!![/bold]

I would like to dispel some of the [bold]misinformation posted below[/bold] with regards to why Jehovah's witnesses do not accept blood transfusion. Please read the quote below which is from the new testament and is [bold]not referring to Kosher law[/bold] :- Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: Act 15:29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, [bold]and from blood[/bold] , and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well. As this sentence includes fornication in it's prohibition can it only be talking about diet? The Greek work here translated blood has the below definition in Strongs greek dictionary:- aima hah'ee-mah Of uncertain derivation; blood, [bold]literally (of men or animals)[/bold] , figuratively (the juice of grapes) or specifically (the atoning blood of Christ); by implication bloodshed, [bold]also kindred: - blood[/bold] . So this restriction is not only from the blood of animals but of men, as regards the context in which Acts was written please see below quote with regard to the practices of this period in history in this region of the world:- On the general question, for the rest, we have from Porphyry, without dates, a list of cases of human sacrifices formerly practised by the Greeks, as in Rhodes, Chios, Tenedos, Salamis, Crete, Athens, and Sparta, no less than by Egyptians, Arabs, and Phśnicians. And not only Porphyry, but Eusebius, Minucius Felix, and Lactantius speak of the sacrifice of a man to Latiarian Jove as being still practised in their time; while Plutarch tells of a secret rite, by implication one of human sacrifice, which he declares to be practised in the month of November in the Rome of his day. Of the eating of sacrificed human victims Porphyry mentions no cases among civilised peoples; and he gives but a loose account of the practice among the Bassaroi of Thrace, who had imitated it from the Taurians; but [bold]Tertullian[/bold] is again more explicit and, at the same time, very circumstantial. "At this day," he writes, "among ourselves (isthic) blood consecrated to Bellona, taken in the palm from a punctured thigh, is given to her sealed ones"—i.e., her initiates. In another passage, he speaks of a surviving usage of drinking human blood in the worship of the Latiarian Jove. His further allusion to the practice of drinking the blood of slain gladiators as a remedy for epilepsy suggests many further possibilities of the same kind; Is it really so different today!?

The Acts 15 quote made several times above says to "abstain ... from blood". Members of Alchoholics Anonymous are also told to "abstain" from Alchohol. They know this means that not only do they not drink it but they also can't use it in their food or inject it into their veins or take it in any other form for any other reason. Since they don't have any difficulty understanding the meaning of the word "abstain" I have to wonder why some of the above who claim to know the bible don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

So according to David R. Does this mean that Jehovah's witnesses should not drink water???? Since 55 percent of blood volume is water!!! 80% - 55% = leaves 25% left to account for. Let's be logical about this!! please see following quote:- Plasma Plasma is the relatively clear liquid water (92+%), sugar, fat, protein and salt solution which carries the red cells, white cells, platelets, and some other chemicals. Normally, 55% of our blood's volume is made up of plasma. About 95% of it consists of water. As the heart pumps blood to cells throughout the body, plasma brings nourishment to them and removes the waste products of metabolism. Plasma also contains blood clotting factors, sugars, lipids, vitamins, minerals, hormones, enzymes, antibodies, and other proteins. [italic][bold]It is likely that plasma contains some of every protein produced by the body--approximately 500 have been identified in human plasma so far.[/bold] [/italic] I think if David R. was to spend some time investigating what human elements Jehovah's witnesses do accept these are all found and can be sourced from other thing's than human blood. I do not accept :- Red Cells, White Cells as these only occur in blood, platelets are also found in blood, however platelets are also produced in bone marrow from stem cells and can therefore be sourced without blood.

[quote][bold]Robert Anderson[/bold] wrote: TO:Posted by: David R, Florida on 6:59am today REPLY,David you are a Watchtower apologist who just posted a rambling twisted Bible thumped cut &amp; paste propaganda piece from Watchtower literature. This is the key point in dispute here and everywhere:The Watchtower ALLOWS 80% of what is in a bag of blood,[bold][italic]the leadership arbitarily decides what PARTS of blood can be used.[/italic][/bold] Sooo,if blood is ALL sacred to GOD where do they get the right to play God themselves and decide what parts of something that is ALL sacred can be used?? [bold]This isn't just an academic controversy,THOUSAND S of followers are DEAD over this!!!![/bold] [/quote] [italic][bold]This is the key point in dispute here and everywhere:The Watchtower ALLOWS 80% of what is in a bag of blood,the leadership arbitarily decides what PARTS of blood can be used. Sooo,if blood is ALL sacred to GOD where do they get the right to play God themselves and decide what parts of something that is ALL sacred can be used??[/[/italic] bold] [bold]THAT'S IT[/bold]