East Lancashire Remploy factories reprieved (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The condems are now targeting the disabled following on from the pensioners and youngsters whilst they feed off the gravytrain and pump up their banker buddie hedge funds. Someone should swing for this attack on the vulnerable of society. Glad they saved the one up here, but what about the rest. Disgraceful

Each Remploy employee is subsidised to the tune of £25,000. Thats twenty five thousand pounds each!!! .
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Taking out the "profit" that each one contributes to the business overhead there still needs to be a contribution of £25,000 per person.
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They would be better off either giving every employee an extra £20,000 per year and telling them to take up a hobby or perhaps using that money to get them a job in a proper business not a charity set up after the WWII to try to integrate disabled people into the workplace - their is enough legislation now to ensure that can happen.

midas wrote:
Each Remploy employee is subsidised to the tune of £25,000. Thats twenty five thousand pounds each!!! .
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Taking out the "profit" that each one contributes to the business overhead there still needs to be a contribution of £25,000 per person.
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They would be better off either giving every employee an extra £20,000 per year and telling them to take up a hobby or perhaps using that money to get them a job in a proper business not a charity set up after the WWII to try to integrate disabled people into the workplace - their is enough legislation now to ensure that can happen.

So you condone taking off the disabled? Nice, some things aren't about money they're about promoting self worth and a feeling of belonging, a community spirit.I can tell you don't give much to charity by your me myself and I attitude, ever thought of becoming a tory MP you have all the attributes. They can't integrate able bodied people into the workplace, there is no workplace, open your eyes man.

Disabled groups always want to be treated as equals, well I'm affraid this is what it feels like to be equal, many able-bodied folks have lost their jobs through simple economics, the same applies here.
Sad but true.
Stop giving overseas aid & our own will be looked after better.

The thing about Remploy is that once they taught people the skills to work, they never supported many into mainstream employment. It may sound cosy having all of the disabled in one place, but it's counter-productive. It promotes learned behaviour, hides productivity in it’s staff (which is why it costs so much per head to run) and it restricts the opportunities that we non-disabled take for granted. It has become unfit for purpose and needs to wound up.

Fortunately, the caring, sharing ConDems are just the people we want to look at our more vulnerable members of society……

first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society.
the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

frank wrote:
first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society.
the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive?
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Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

Unfortunately in today's economic crisis, we have no place for loss-making businesses, especially ones that are losing circa £70 million per year.
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It was an unworkable situation, and even some disabled charities' spokespeople have commented that housing them in one workplace doesn't help with integration into the mainstream workforce.
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This is the right decision

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive?
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Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either.
A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive? . Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either. A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

But there's a difference between working for your benefits and shelling out £25k per person.

What Midas and I are talking about are the scheme's that part funded and supported disabled people into mainstream jobs.

Paying a disabled person a full wage to make a chair in half the time; in fluffy, protective environment, is not the answer.

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive? . Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either. A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

But there's a difference between working for your benefits and shelling out £25k per person.

What Midas and I are talking about are the scheme's that part funded and supported disabled people into mainstream jobs.

Paying a disabled person a full wage to make a chair in half the time; in fluffy, protective environment, is not the answer.

Dependant on their disability will depend on how much they get. They could still get 25K for being at home so why not get them to produce something instead? Plus it must be really good for their state of mind.
When was the last time they employed someone who is disabled where you work, the last time they took on a disabled person? I bet your company has the minimum requirement met and thats it.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive? . Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either. A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

But there's a difference between working for your benefits and shelling out £25k per person.

What Midas and I are talking about are the scheme's that part funded and supported disabled people into mainstream jobs.

Paying a disabled person a full wage to make a chair in half the time; in fluffy, protective environment, is not the answer.

Dependant on their disability will depend on how much they get. They could still get 25K for being at home so why not get them to produce something instead? Plus it must be really good for their state of mind.
When was the last time they employed someone who is disabled where you work, the last time they took on a disabled person? I bet your company has the minimum requirement met and thats it.

I know of a fair few companies that took on disabled staff because of job centre funding. What you are advocating is the continuation of a policy of segregation because of disability. You seem content to keep all the 'funny people' away from the rest of society. Remploy should have trained people then found them real work, not let them live a lie.

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive? . Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either. A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

But there's a difference between working for your benefits and shelling out £25k per person.

What Midas and I are talking about are the scheme's that part funded and supported disabled people into mainstream jobs.

Paying a disabled person a full wage to make a chair in half the time; in fluffy, protective environment, is not the answer.

Dependant on their disability will depend on how much they get. They could still get 25K for being at home so why not get them to produce something instead? Plus it must be really good for their state of mind.
When was the last time they employed someone who is disabled where you work, the last time they took on a disabled person? I bet your company has the minimum requirement met and thats it.

I know of a fair few companies that took on disabled staff because of job centre funding. What you are advocating is the continuation of a policy of segregation because of disability. You seem content to keep all the 'funny people' away from the rest of society. Remploy should have trained people then found them real work, not let them live a lie.

What work? there is no work.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

midas wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

frank wrote: first the comdems start a witch hunt to get them off incapacity benefit and into work (non existant work at that) now they close down places thay can work, they must really despise those at the bottom end of society. the only people that the condems care about are those with 7 figure bank balances.

Spot on.

So you think its appropriate to pay a wage + £25,000 per disabled person to work in a "business" that is ineffective and unproductive? . Promoting self worth (as in giving them a job just because they are disabled - way to go!) and a community spirit (which community exactly?) can be done much more effectively than putting them all in a factory out of the way!

So now they will sit at home and claim benefits, never going out just the four walls. I thought Cameron wanted to get people working for their benefits? Isn't that what they were already doing? Never mind the only difference is now we will be shelling out the same money, but there will be no end product and no benefit to the disabled either. A Tory win win situation, broken Britain is becoming mended beyond repair, I wish thy'd give up trying to fix it. What next?

But there's a difference between working for your benefits and shelling out £25k per person. What Midas and I are talking about are the scheme's that part funded and supported disabled people into mainstream jobs. Paying a disabled person a full wage to make a chair in half the time; in fluffy, protective environment, is not the answer.

Dependant on their disability will depend on how much they get. They could still get 25K for being at home so why not get them to produce something instead? Plus it must be really good for their state of mind. When was the last time they employed someone who is disabled where you work, the last time they took on a disabled person? I bet your company has the minimum requirement met and thats it.

I know of a fair few companies that took on disabled staff because of job centre funding. What you are advocating is the continuation of a policy of segregation because of disability. You seem content to keep all the 'funny people' away from the rest of society. Remploy should have trained people then found them real work, not let them live a lie.

What work? there is no work.

If there's no work, then there's nobody buying. If there's nobody buying, then there's no point employing people to make goods that nobody will buy. It's just throwing good money after bad, just to stroke the ego of some disabled employees.