Live lobsters and duck eggs - council's vision for new Blackburn market (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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Live lobsters and duck eggs - council's vision for new Blackburn market
9:50am Friday 12th March 2010 in
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- By Tom Moseley » Reporter
TRADERS have been told they will need to be ‘neatly dressed and well presented’ to be considered for a place in Blackburn’s new market.
Council bosses have unveiled full details of their vision of the ‘continental-style’ market which will replace the current Ainsworth Street site.
In official information packs to traders, they urge traders to ‘create a sense of theatre’, for example by using displays of live lobsters on food stalls.
But stallholders say the plans, which include rent increases of up to 60per cent, are unrealistic and will not work in Blackburn.
Last week they were served with formal notices to quit the current site.
Market traders’ chairman Chris Appleby questioned the plans for more than 60 fresh food stalls at the new £8million, six-day complex on the ground floor of the new Mall shopping centre.
“On paper the plans look amazing, but where will the demand for its services come from?” he said.
The information pack, which includes an application form to be considered for a place, includes pictures of mainly food-based stalls, including fish, fresh raspberries, duck eggs and bread.
Suggesting ways to display products, it added: “Fittings which create a sense of theatre will be encouraged eg ‘viveur’-type displays of live lobsters on a shellfish stall, or rotating glass display cases on a giftware stall.”
And the ‘management regulations’ on the new market’s website state: “Stallholders shall be neatly dressed and well presented.”
Mr Appleby said: “A market down in London might have live lobsters.
"I can only wonder what the market for them is like around here.”
The council’s Tory regeneration chief Alan Cottam said he was confident the market would prove a success by competing with supermarkets on low-price items.
He added: “Obviously not every stall will have a live lobster, but that is the sort of thing you get on a continental market, which is what we are aiming for.”
Comments(64)
Peckish
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10:10am Fri 12 Mar 10
Slimplynth
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10:19am Fri 12 Mar 10
happycyclist
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10:23am Fri 12 Mar 10
LOL! Brilliant.
richard
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10:41am Fri 12 Mar 10
burner
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10:42am Fri 12 Mar 10
burner
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10:48am Fri 12 Mar 10
burner
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10:50am Fri 12 Mar 10
burner
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10:56am Fri 12 Mar 10
wackyracer
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10:57am Fri 12 Mar 10
wackyracer
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10:59am Fri 12 Mar 10
stic!
wackyracer
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11:05am Fri 12 Mar 10
CAG1
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11:06am Fri 12 Mar 10
Before you all start - like everyone else on here, I have a right to my opinion.
Scrap the markets!
wackyracer
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11:12am Fri 12 Mar 10
Izanears
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11:13am Fri 12 Mar 10
him what I think about his daft ideas.
Live Lobsters indeed.
retired one
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11:28am Fri 12 Mar 10
midas
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11:31am Fri 12 Mar 10
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The information pack, which includes an application form to be considered for a place, includes pictures of mainly food-based stalls, including fish, fresh raspberries, duck eggs and bread.
Suggesting ways to display products, it added: “Fittings which create a sense of theatre will be encouraged eg ‘viveur’-type displays of live lobsters on a shellfish stall, or rotating glass display cases on a giftware stall.”
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He is relating his comments to the picture in the pack (though you would expect a shellfish stall to have live shellfish)..
His stupidity however is presuming that people in Blackburn eat fresh food!
wackyracer
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11:34am Fri 12 Mar 10
sallycinamon
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11:35am Fri 12 Mar 10
Change is absolutely what's needed can't understand any other opinion
wackyracer
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11:39am Fri 12 Mar 10
hasslem hasslem
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12:19pm Fri 12 Mar 10
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Wow! this takes us boldly into the new Century. Such magical things will stop me throwing rocks at the moon and pointing at aeroplanes. Does it mean broken biscuits will cease to be legal tender?
burner
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12:23pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Ian123xyz
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12:37pm Fri 12 Mar 10
More entertaining would be some troughing parliamentarians and "lords" in stocks being pelted with rotten tomatoes
wackyracer
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12:46pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Kevin, Colne
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12:49pm Fri 12 Mar 10
The trouble is that 'top down' rarely works as intended, and 'vision' that is not grounded in reality is in truth hallucination; and if you will excuse the mixed metaphor 'big bang' means that you are dependent on 'throwing a six' every time in order to make it work.
Can someone explain to me how a stall holder now paying rent up to 60% higher (and rent is a fixed cost, remember) without economies of scale or scope or marketing expertise will be able to compete with supermarkets on low-price items and make a living? Anyone that can make this business-model work will be a genius, and no mistake.
I think what we have here is a sitaution where the less one knows about economics and strategy the better it all looks.
Slimplynth
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12:52pm Fri 12 Mar 10
chrislancs
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1:39pm Fri 12 Mar 10
This is the sort of nonsense the English Democrats will get rid of.
Chris Reid PPC
English Democrats
Hyndburn/Haslingden
The party that will free people from the shackles of the PC brigade.
arriva kev
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1:49pm Fri 12 Mar 10
burner
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2:10pm Fri 12 Mar 10
samspence
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2:21pm Fri 12 Mar 10
wackyracer
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2:33pm Fri 12 Mar 10
richard
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3:09pm Fri 12 Mar 10
MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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3:30pm Fri 12 Mar 10
arriva kev wrote:Actually, you are wrong! You can buy fresh lobsters on Bury market in the fish/meat hall, they have rubber bands around the claws!
does it really matter ? they have driven me and the wife out of blackburn any way we now go to the best market in england ; BURY: it provides a friendly atmosphere and the produce is first class,a proper market with no live lobsters to try and attract shoppers.when will this pathetic council learn surely there cant be many more blackburn people shopping in this town by the amount of people using the 225 and 152 to bolton and preston,councillors just monitor those services and see for your selves.disgruntled Blacburnian bah
You can also buy rabbit, pheasant, duck, grouse, free-range chickens from Reg Johnson in Lancashire, and a plethora of meat and fish. Oh, and quails eggs.
These ARE products that people want to buy. Blackburn IS doing the right thing, and people will be drawn into the town to food shop. Combine that with a Sainsburys in town and all will be well and good. The town will regain its' vibrancy.
I for one will be happy to shop in the new market as an alternative to Bury (which is my nearest market).
Well done Blackburn with Darwen Council, can't wait to visit the market.
The offspring
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3:51pm Fri 12 Mar 10
ghost of sceptic
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4:59pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Peckish
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5:38pm Fri 12 Mar 10
ste.g
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6:07pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Blackburn Realist
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6:17pm Fri 12 Mar 10
ste.g wrote:Indeed! To the point and common sense. You would like to think that the people pulling the strings would realise this, but it's a shame that they just don't.
its all well and good trying to tempt us with lobsters etc.but lets be realistic,most of the people who use the market are on budgets and im sure lobster is not on the top of their agenda.what the market needs to get people using it is low rents so the cost can be past on to us.free parking.and a way into town without the stress of all the unecessary traffic lights,roundabouts and countless other obstructions that make it a nightmare journey.
burner
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6:44pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Nostradamous
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8:22pm Fri 12 Mar 10
But you want a market do you?well you could do no worse than the Chorley Flat iron every Tuesday,now that is a market, all stalls are canvass and obviously in the open air,there are traders calling and selling there wares as in days gone by,a really wonderfull place to shop and you will find bargain after bargain,by the way get there early has it gets quite busy..
We should have one of these markets in Blackburn,they do work well because stall prices are relatively low,by simply being on part of a car park,and it is not a sort of robbing other parts of the normal market by stealing there customers, it does in fact bring more customers to town.
thermio
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8:31pm Fri 12 Mar 10
I can't imagine that any stall-holders will take on a 60% rent increase, not to mention the additional wages they are going to have to pay due to being open 6 days a week rather than 3. Opening all 6 days is compulsory, I understand.
12 months after opening the usual stalls will be on there with their free rent and counterfeit jeans.
Davidoff
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8:50pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Davidoff
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8:54pm Fri 12 Mar 10
hasslem hasslem
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10:31pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Davidoff wrote:You stuck up Ponce!
And before the likes of CAG1 spouts 'we must bring quality to the town of Blackburn (chokes)' I happen to be from the Ribble Valley. So I appreciate quality, but in it's place. Where it belongs. I can just see the crackheads in Blackburn playing with the live lobsters for example. The town is an utter utter mess, it's been that way for over 30 years, it's getting worse. Does anyone working for BWDC not actually realize this? Seems not.
"I happen to be from the Ribble Valley. So I appreciate quality".
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Are you aware of how ridiculous that makes you sound.
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Just because you come from the RV - how does that qualify you to be a purveyor of quality? It is not a case of night follows day.
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You may be from the Ribble Valley, but you obviously missed English lessons at school.
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Get back in your box, Ponce!
burger face
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10:34pm Fri 12 Mar 10
TON.
burner
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10:41pm Fri 12 Mar 10
MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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11:06pm Fri 12 Mar 10
Davidoff wrote:What a snooty, snotty stuck-up pretentious buffoon!
And before the likes of CAG1 spouts 'we must bring quality to the town of Blackburn (chokes)' I happen to be from the Ribble Valley. So I appreciate quality, but in it's place. Where it belongs. I can just see the crackheads in Blackburn playing with the live lobsters for example. The town is an utter utter mess, it's been that way for over 30 years, it's getting worse. Does anyone working for BWDC not actually realize this? Seems not.
Let's not forget that "The Ribble Valley" is a construct of Blackburn Rural District, Burnley Rural District, Preston Rural District, Clitheroe and part of the West Riding of Yorkshire.
If you're from Mellor, Wilpshire, Langho, Pleasington etc.... you're really from Blackburn. Try removing one's head from one's rectum.
happycyclist
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11:40pm Fri 12 Mar 10
burger face wrote:LOL!
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF VINCENT GOLDING AGED 44 USED TO GO TO ST CHRISTOPHERS,ACCRING
TON.
burger face is ace.
burner
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9:51am Sat 13 Mar 10
pom
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10:20am Sat 13 Mar 10
notac
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12:40pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Michael@ClitheroeSince58
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12:53pm Sat 13 Mar 10
lwg76
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1:14pm Sat 13 Mar 10
A short while ago when the Pathetic Polititian, the man of Straw started the Burkha debate, the Leader of the Council stated that it was not Council Policy to tell anybody what to wear. Has this policy changed or does it only apply to some?
MerlinTheVoiceofReason
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4:51pm Sat 13 Mar 10
notac wrote:Only the smaller towns have free parking - i.e. Darwen, Accy, Ramsbottom etc... no free parking in Lancaster, Blackpool, Preston, Chorley, Bolton, Manchester, Bury, Wigan!
If the new centre does not have free parking like is available elsewhere it is doomed regardless of what is on offer in the market. At some stage the council have to realise this and improve town centre access by road.
Peckish
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5:36pm Sat 13 Mar 10
wackyracer wrote:LOL, Quality
Then he can sell cuckoo eggs next to the duck eggs then. Personally, I get my duck eggs from corporation park. You just have to look out for idiot men playing soldiers and shouting dakka dakka dakka with their loaded fingers. (sorry a bit off topic but I couldn't help myself)
Hugh Jardon
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6:32pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Davidoff wrote:Of course Blackburn's a bloody mess...it's been in Labour hands for YEARS.
And before the likes of CAG1 spouts 'we must bring quality to the town of Blackburn (chokes)' I happen to be from the Ribble Valley. So I appreciate quality, but in it's place. Where it belongs. I can just see the crackheads in Blackburn playing with the live lobsters for example. The town is an utter utter mess, it's been that way for over 30 years, it's getting worse. Does anyone working for BWDC not actually realize this? Seems not.
However, the likes of Clitheroe (Chlamydia capital of England) ain't much better these days...either!!
It's nice to know that you "appreciate quality"...you pompous ****....
Not all residents of this God forsaken hole are scunners & 'tards (just the majority).
On the subject of the market..I'm looking forward to Smith's butchers herding in baby moo cows & cute piggy wigs...but, we all know that the new market will be over run with dodgy electronics, cheapo batteries & such crap.
Hugh Jardon
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6:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10
Michael@ClitheroeSinI would have thought that being evicted to Darwen is a bit harsh.
ce58 wrote:
Davidoff is a Ribble Valley reject, he now lives in Darwen, he was evicted for not paying his council tax.
Hugh Jardon
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6:35pm Sat 13 Mar 10
burger face wrote:he might be a live display soon.............
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF VINCENT GOLDING AGED 44 USED TO GO TO ST CHRISTOPHERS,ACCRING
TON.
Hugh Jardon
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6:38pm Sat 13 Mar 10
The offspring wrote:perhaps Abu Hamza could have his special hook disabled with an elastic band too??
Are live boiled lobsters hal-hal?
jack russell
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7:05pm Sat 13 Mar 10
notac wrote:Free parking? Don't make me laugh, it's already gone up to £1 for an hour! BWDC will make it impossible to access the town centre before long, and as for parking pah! Train to manchester any day for me!
If the new centre does not have free parking like is available elsewhere it is doomed regardless of what is on offer in the market. At some stage the council have to realise this and improve town centre access by road.
Tosh67
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10:26pm Sat 13 Mar 10
dont know what all the fuss is about, tesco/morrisons/asda and sainsburys have all in cleaner environments - oh and you get nectar/clubcard points.
pom
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2:20pm Sun 14 Mar 10
pom
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2:20pm Sun 14 Mar 10
Slimplynth
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10:20am Mon 15 Mar 10
Tosh67 wrote:Gotta disagree with you there mate; Cleanliness is a subjective thing, it's what you can't see that matters (microbes). I suspect that the supermarkets, having a much larger through traffic of people harbour many more microbial cells than the market. People touching things everywhere then spreading it around silently, Little kids scratching their arses then grabbing hold of mum's trolley, mum touches the trolley transferring fecal bourne germs onto the produce she handles while selecting the cream of the crop. Multiply that by a few thousand and it's surprising I ever leave the house...Germs everywhere I tell you! :0)
mmmmmm lobster, but not in blackburn markets, the current place is filthy, dont want a potential meal breathing all the crap in that place. dont know what all the fuss is about, tesco/morrisons/asda and sainsburys have all in cleaner environments - oh and you get nectar/clubcard points.
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FOOD DISPLAYS: Traders are being urged to ‘create a sense of theatre’, for example by using displays of live lobsters on food stalls. This is an artist’s impression of the new market.
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Blackburn Realist says...
10:01am Fri 12 Mar 10
This wacko needs to pull his head out of his rear end. 60% rent rises and the struggling stall holders are expected to compete with supermarkets! Lets give the stall holders a reduced rent for the first 12 months and see if they can make a profit or at least break even.