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It is not like singing or painting or an art. It is a matter of Greed. Borne from the fear of poverty. It is an insecurity.

Yes it is grand to have the respect of your family and friends and many have this without a heavy bank balance, or a column in the local rag, or have a reputation as the queen of clubs and most certainly wouldn't be jealous or envious of earning such a title.

James you are right,it is born out of a fear of povery,for me it was anyhow,i have recently retired from a decent business i made a few bob in you might say, i was born in a terraced house in Mill hill one of seven children and i did know poverty as a child,along with many other children of that era,but i was determined i wasnt going to stay in that state,in the end i got a great satisfaction in being able to help mum and dad ,and you know that in itself was worth all the hours and days without a break that i had worked, untill eventually it started to pay me back the money i made although great to have was very secoundary to that feeling of helping mum and dad,i vowed that my children would never know the same poverty,and honestly mate they havnt,so would i be classed as greedy or just some guy doing there best for there family? I think maybe margo is getting more stick because her businesses were in the main, in the public eye,but honestly there are lots of Margo's around,and in all fairness these people do make the world go round.my company found work for over twenty people for over 25yrs,or am i in YOUR oppinion just plundering the poor by doing this?,but i do know all about being poor and i am not ashamed of that fact.

[quote]I think maybe margo is getting more stick because her businesses were in the main, in the public eye[/quote] Ms G has put herself in the public eye! Locally she is known for owning her pubs and clubs where many a drinker staggered out drunk and scrapping was the norm but today she whinges about, "Our drink culture," but she wouldn't have her lifestyle if those people didn't exist. It really is laughable when you think back to her days in the business because the pubs were raided for under age drinking and drug taking but we never here of this happeining today! Instead of going on about the drink culture she should be thanking all that supported her, kept her in work and her employees too. Ms G lined her pockets from the people of this area, people who worked hard, just like today. Now she is critising the drink culture, yes it did exist in her era, and there is nothing worse than a hypocrite. There's no doubt Ms G is a good business woman who is now a propety developer, a reputable business, and maybe one day she will look back and think, "Thank god for the drinkera."

Hi Nosty, If you can get to the very top. Good! get to the top. I don't have a problem with hard working aspirations. Doing your best and providing all you can for your children. Any parent wants to do his best for his children. Some children have handicapped and impoverished and damaged parents. I do have a problem with those who look down on the handicapped and impoverished and damaged. In particular those who have come from impoverished backgrounds themselves. I find it to be the height of hypocrisy to blame the impoverished and damaged for all the ills in society by those who have managed to get to the top. It is not rocket science to serve alcohol. Not every person can get to the top. Some have to stay on the bottom. Pouring scorn and hatred and blame upon them is an advert for staying impoverished if that is what an obsession with wealth creation does to a person. Everyone needs money. Not everyone is greedy enough to fall in Love with it. To Honour The People with the Wealth and Victimise The Poor is sick. I would rather stay poor and Human.

All a property developer has to do is sit on his [bold]****[/bold] -ets. Not even brains are required.

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[quote][bold]simplysimon[/bold] wrote: Hi Nosty, If you can get to the very top. Good! get to the top. I don\\\'t have a problem with hard working aspirations. Doing your best and providing all you can for your children. Any parent wants to do his best for his children. Some children have handicapped and impoverished and damaged parents. I do have a problem with those who look down on the handicapped and impoverished and damaged. In particular those who have come from impoverished backgrounds themselves. I find it to be the height of hypocrisy to blame the impoverished and damaged for all the ills in society by those who have managed to get to the top. It is not rocket science to serve alcohol. Not every person can get to the top. Some have to stay on the bottom. Pouring scorn and hatred and blame upon them is an advert for staying impoverished if that is what an obsession with wealth creation does to a person. Everyone needs money. Not everyone is greedy enough to fall in Love with it. To Honour The People with the Wealth and Victimise The Poor is sick. I would rather stay poor and Human.[/quote] James i agree with all you have written,your right not everyone wants to get to the top,not everyone wants to go out of there way for financial security,and those that do usually have an inferiority complex,much like myself because of the physcoligical damage being poor placed on me,but that is only how poorness affected me,i know lots of other people who i havw known all my life and it never seemed to be a driving force for them. I also tend to agree with Blondie,that margo does have a touch of hypocrosy about her comments regarding drink culture and young people's behaviour,when maybe in her younger days she did make a living out of encouraging that lifestyle,but although that point may bother me,i still would never critisise her efforts and gambles (those apartments are a massive gamble imo) in business,

Hi Nosty, Povery needs to be seen for what it is. Poverty is a Lifestyle. It has just as much validity as any other Lifestyle. The Problem is that we see Poverty as a Problem. It is not a Problem. Poor People are not Problem People. They are People. Rich People have Problems. Poor People have Problems. Victimising and blaming People for surviving on the basics from one week to the next is not a wasted life. Not having enough money to buy one's way out of a problem or hide it with a brown envelope stuffed with cash. Does not make the Poor the cause of all the ills of society. It just makes the poor persons mistake a visible one. The rich like to pretend they are too nice to make mistakes. They make mistakes, but they can afford to keep them secret and hidden. The poor consume the least. The rich get grants and favours from the council. They often gamble with the money that belongs to the poor.

I agree, but it's not that big a gamble. The council will probably end up renting half of them for overpriced council picnics. We will end up paying for it. Margo isn't stupid. She isn't that big a gambler. She knows how to keep her back covered. She has been involved with the blackburn movers and shakers for a long time. What would be the real point of her gambling? She will make sure the council step in to bale out the situation. Gamble ? at her age she is not that far away from losing all her money anyway.

[quote]I also tend to agree with Blondie,that margo does have a touch of hypocrosy about her comments regarding drink culture and young people's behaviour,when maybe in her younger days she did make a living out of encouraging that lifestyle[/quote] There's no maybe she worked in the drink culture. How many times did people fight in her clubs and pubs because they were drunk? How many fights spilled out on to the street after drinking in her establishments? So today's drink culture are doing the exact same thing as they did in her day but did she do anything about it then? Of course not. Margo will have invested heavily along with others to make her propety developement work. Being in any kind of business is a gamble some pay off and others go down the pan and i am sure Margo will not see her money flushed down the pan unlike all the boozers who helped her make her millions. If someone wants to really fulfill their potential then no one will stop them not the envious or jealous because without an up and go attitude they would never have the stamina to succeed.

Dear Blondie, I think you are confusing grabbing as much cash as you can with fulfilling your potential. People who fulfill their potential are tooo wealthy to be bothered about clinging to cash. I don't think Margrim has ever considered her potential. She Just worships the cash. The buzz that comes from getting cash. I don't think she gets a buzz from anything else. That's why People like being in business, they get a buzz out of the next deal. They get addicted to it.

People addicted to cash always have a lot of phoney influential friends. Plenty of people work in jobs that require stamina and don't ever become rich. The Rich let the money do the work. Then all they have to do is count it. Hide it.

Povery needs to be seen for what it is. Poverty is a Lifestyle. It has just as much validity as any other Lifestyle.. -------------------- ------------------- No way can i agree with you on that one James,poverty is something that those in it would dearly love to be out of it,some try and work there way out of it,some just wish and hope they win the lottery but all who are in it want out of it,and those not in poverty dread going into it,i have a picture of your phsyc being more into the super natural world than this one,and that is not being nasty that is just how i see you,so when we talk of people wanting to gain financial security(and we are not talking mega rich here)i am sure that that would not be on the list of your priorities,so not the best subject for you to give an oppinion on i would think,but i do know there is a hatred for Margo and all she stands for and that includes Blondie's thinking as well,it does seem that you both have quite an agenda going on here regarding her exploits,and what on earth gives you the impression that she is Megga rich..LOL.i dont think for one minute she is megga rich,comfortable off maybe, but maybe not as well,you must not sumise these things James,and it can also boost a persons ego..LOL

[quote]but i do know there is a hatred for Margo and all she stands for and that includes Blondie's thinking as well,it does seem that you both have quite an agenda going on here regarding her exploits,and what on earth gives you the impression that she is Megga rich..LOL.i[/quote] Margo is a millionairess and didn't she feature in Lancashire's rich list? So no she is not comfortable she is rich. I have a good life, like many others, so i am not envious or jealous of Margo's wealth. I have always said she is a good business woman, you cannot take that away from her, and she deserves every penny she has. Margo has become a sort of representative of this town but appears to have a very short memory when it suits and some of the things she writes about wont encourage harmony between brother and sister which is the teaching of a good christian and certainly wont help in making for a good Blackburn. I don't respect her rants. Is Margo really that popular and is she a good advert for this declining town? Margo wants to create nice, classier, shops in the town cente and we did once have those but they are long gone, sadly. Those shops died because of huge rates, lack of custom and so called prgress and i wish her luck in her venture.

Dear Nosty, There are People who are rich and their are People who are not rich. It's relative. The poor dream of becoming rich, the rich have nightmares of being poor. I would rather live with a dream than a nightmare. I am not a phsychic. Poverty is only a 'relative term' I have seen and met People in India who are waiting for a council house in Delhi. They have to join the queue like everyone else. The difference is that in Delhi the Queue is about twelve years long. The applicants have no where to live so they live in the queue. The queue is on the pavement and it goes back a long way. The applicants give birth to babies in this queue. They live under bin bags. They cook their food on the pavement eat it on the pavement and die on the pavement. For many of them, the only thing they will be passing on to their children is a place in the queue. They still manage to laugh, to smile, to get excited, to have fun and some other friends they met whilst living in the queue round to their place on the pavement for a curry. Everyone is living in the same queue. Some live in a big mansion, some live on the pavement. The destination is the same. An apartment in the city of Death. Some travel in fist class and some are scraping along the pavement. What is Poverty? Poverty is to travel with a Heart that is not bursting with Glee!! I don't know what makes you think I believe in a supernatural? A Super-abundance yes!

Real life poverty is witnessing a little girl naked and crying in the p-ssing rain begging for money in Bucharest Romania. That little girl will be grown up now and that is assuming she grew up and to this day that scene haunts me. Britain doesn't have that kind of poverty. I wasn't brought up, in the sixties, with a tin bath in the living room or an outside toilet and to me that was poor, i thought it was shocking, but in fact that was the norm for those that lived in a two up two down and it didn't mean that everyone was skint. Members, in-laws, of my family did live that kind of life and ran a business from the front of their home just like the baker and the butcher on the road. Some people still trade like that today but have inside loos and bathrooms. These folk are rich in contentment, they don't want to be better or bigger and are happy to be their own boss earning enough to give them a good standard of living and foreign holidays too. Being rich certainly has a lot of meanings. Simplysimon, Many rich folk and many ordinary folk do their best via fund raising to help those in poverty stricken countries because they care. Some folk think they are poor but they aren't because they haven't opened their eyes to what they actually have.

Hey!, we can all give examples of poverty struck situations that we have come across in our life,and none of it is pleasing to the eye or mind,Blondie in the period you are talking about 60s it was the norm and 90% of the nation lived that way so no one looked on that way of life as being poor,just like to add here that although i have said we were poor in financail terms,we were not poor in happiness or careing for each other,but when you had a father who was a compulsive gambler(god bless him) you didnt have a bean left for food or clothing and that is what i felt the most. But the point we have going on here is,i would never point my finger at anyone who wants to make a living ,or lots of money even, and wants to be a prominent figure in the town,good luck to these people, they do something that you or i just sit and complain about what they are supposed to do wrong..LOL. The motto has to be... Live and let live..

[quote]But the point we have going on here is,i would never point my finger at anyone who wants to make a living ,or lots of money even, and wants to be a prominent figure in the town[/quote] All those things are fine as long as that person doesn't have double standards or as the old saying goes......when the shoe fits.

There is nothing clever about being rich. So what? some People are filthy stinking rich and some People are filthy stinking poor. Everyone is on the same train going to the same place. expecting the rich to sit in the back with the cattle and expecting the poor to sit in the front and drink champagne is not going to change anything. We all get off the train at the same station. With nowt. The point I am trying to make is that until we understand what we are doing on this train we are all ignorant. People don't like to think of themseves as ignorant. Wealthy People tend to think they are more clever than the poor. But the Truth is they are beggars too! One day, everyone is going to be begging for another Breath, no amount of cash will buy another one. We can Live our entire Life appreciating everything we think we have except that one simple and profound Gift which allows us to appreciate everything else. A Breath is Mans True Wealth. It can't even be compared to anything else. It isn't relative to anything else. Appreciating that is what makes us Truly Rich beyond our wildest dreams. Ignoring it makes us all ignorant.

[bold]Motto's are not what keeps us alive.[/bold]

A Breath is Mans True Wealth. It can't even be compared to anything else. It isn't relative to anything else. Appreciating that is what makes us Truly Rich beyond our wildest dreams.. James what you have wrote there isnt Rocket science ya know,we all understand the value of a breath,we all realise that our needs are few but our wants are many,i wish you could see the calm and relaxing life style i have made for myself and kids,we will take what comes after our last breath as gone i have no positive idea of what happens next when we die,and niether have you,but for now we do our best to be comfortable here,your right mate,you do go on a bit..same old stuff all the time..LOL

Nosty, you keep ASSUMING YOU ARE ALIVE. Only the dead can die.

Only the Breath is Living. The rest is just dirt. Maybe that's why they call it the Holy Ghost!

oh well gone are the days were anyone can get rich like margo running a pub i should know i run one. in the business envy follows you but money... well there is none i think margo made it at the right time.

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