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[quote] we fully accepted the New Testament. [/quote] Ah. The gospels contradict each other, rewrite history that is verifiable from multiple sources, have been massively edited over centuries to suit the ruling dogma of the respective eras and have been repeatedly badly translated from original texts by theocrats with their own agenda. We here’s as a few examples of why I think the NT is just as full of rubbish as the OT: The list is pretty endless, but heres a few from memory and google.... [italic] There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's has 43 [/italic] You cannot accept both, so which is correct and why? [italic] What about Jesus sending devils into the herd of pigs? [/italic] Seems a little far fetched and unacceptably cruel to me. Matthew - 9:32 [italic] As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil. [/italic] Do you also believe that dumb people are possessed by the devil? [italic] 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth – So why then? [/italic] 10:37 [italic] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [/italic] Do you also believe that religion is more important than family? [italic] Whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." [/italic] If you want to stay alive, you must lose your life (kill yourself?) for Jesus' sake. Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, [italic] "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God 16:25[/italic] Really? What about rich people that save lives? Are they less worthy than poor people who choose a life of idleness? Mark states that[italic] followers of Christ can drink poison [/italic]– clearly rubbish. Please don;t test your faith by trying! [italic] The virgin birth[/italic]– – does this not seem just a little fairy tale? Other faiths find the whole principle completely laughable. [italic] Slaughter of the innocents [/italic]– – the majority of “proper” historians don’t think this happened – so why should we accept the NT, with it’s hundreds of inaccuracies and contradictions as some sort of source document? [italic] Thirty pieces of silver [/italic]– – silver was not a currency at the time! [italic] How did Judas die? [/italic]There are three conflicting versions – which do you accept and why? Jesus says that [italic] anyone who looks with **** at any women commits adultery [/italic] – do you accept this is nonsense? [italic] Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God[/italic] Genocide of those who don’t accept Jesus seems a little harsh; but then again[italic] “I come not to bring peace, but the sword” is a good NT line[/italic] [italic] “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death” [/italic] Death to your children seems rather unacceptable language from Jesus, surely? In Mark, Jesus tells us to [italic] cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell[/italic] Romans tells us: [italic] Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death” [/italic] Hebrews tells us[italic] God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature[/italic] Surely society has advanced beyond ritual sacrifice? Revelations tells us (amongst all sorts of other rubbish) that [italic] Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth[/italic] Where’s my “holy grail” DVD – I wonder if that’s where John Cleese got that scene from? Which version do you accept when the NT blatently contradicts itself, any why? • Joseph’s family history –who is right, Matthew or Luke, and why? When was Jesus born – Matthew and Luke contradict each other by about 10 years – suggests that either one or both are wrong and impossible to accept as source documents. [quote] Science cannot deny the existence of Jesus. [/quote] Ah, science can and does occasionally deny the existence of Jesus. No surprise, given that all the evidence is purely anecdotal [quote] Knowledge and science have created too much of an objective and rational viewing of Christianity. [/quote] The basis of science being rationality and objectivity, so seems more than acceptable to me. [quote] it's assumed that because factually incorrect, biblical stories are of no worth. Wrong! Much moral value exists in all biblical stories[/quote] They were taught as fact (and denial was heresy) until proven as rubbish. Now the church can’t peddle nonsense as fact anymore, it tries to go for the moral angle. Very selective reading required. Morals in biblical stories? Death, destruction of entire cities (including all the innocents) I find completely morally abhorrant. [quote] Take Noah. Can we not draw from this that if we are to survive, then we are to please God, and respect the followers of God? [/quote] No, we can simply draw that this story is a load of rubbish! Just think, the church used to teach as fact that fossils were the remains of animals that didn;t make it to the ark!!!! The only moral I would draw from this fiction is that god is a cruel and barbarous entity for his destruction of every man, woman, child and animal on the planet. Noah, Mrs Noah and the two-by-two animals excepted [quote] Consider the creation story. Can we not deduce the extent of God's love (if we view the story metaphorically, as I do?) In fact, Genesis warns us not to choose knowledge over God, does it not? [/quote] No, we can deduce that the book of genesis is a load of rubbish – although you are pretty bang on with message – Religion wants you to accept faith without evidence and without question. Why? Because knowledge picks holes in faith, questions assumptions and advances society. [quote] This is what knowledge has led to; a search for definitive answers. A questioning of faith.I decided that I didn't want to sacrifice my faith for insignificant knowledge. [/quote] That’s a shame. What is insignificant knowledge? All knowledge is significant. It aids understanding. [quote] I can feel faith in my heart. I cannot feel knowledge in the same place.This Lent, just remember that science may well be a paradigm, but so too is faith. [/quote] Knowledge is in your head, as is your faith. Up to you to decide whether to look forwards or backwards.....! Both science and religion can be thought patterns, this is true. One relies upon experiment, study and evidence and one relies upon an ancient series of badly translated contradictory and downright manipulatively nasty pieces of dogma. I’ll take science. Oh, 666, the number of the beast? Knowledge tells us that this is simply a bad translation of the ancient Greek characters for Herod. Nothing more, so no need to worry – Herod died a couple of thousand years ago so won’t be riding over Lammack creating mayhem.

Thanks, Tom. I wish there were more opportunities to share stories about our journey. It is a strengthening medium, allowing me to weed out blind alleys in my own pilgrimage. You let us into yours and tell it with much intellect and with openness. Faith communities give this opportunity, though we don't do it as often as we might. I hope you continue to have opportunities both at school and at the Cathedral.

Marcus remember that even great scientists of the past whose proven truths were for so long accepted have been proved to be mistaken by later experiment and thinking. Science does not have all the answers, and sometimes there are no answers. We have only blind faith, instinct, intuition, call it what you will to guide us.

You have your own Heart, Your own Being, Your own Soul, Your own Consciousness. Your have your own Understanding. Your own Clarity. That simple Love. Tenderness, Kindness and Serenity. You have Grace, you have Virtue, Integrity. You have [bold]so much[/bold] within you. You are a Complete Being. This world is trying to tell you to be Perfect. It tries to suggest you have to create a Perfect You. You are Perfect! You cannot create Perfection. You can only Accept it with your Heart. Your True Elegance is that Timeless Perfection! That is who you are! That is who you really are! Nothing is missing!

[quote][bold]Marcus remember that even great scientists of the past whose proven truths were for so long accepted have been proved to be mistaken by later experiment and thinking. Science does not have all the answers, and sometimes there are no answers.[/bold] [italic]We have only blind faith, instinct, intuition, call it what you will to guide us[/italic] [/quote] The bit in bold - absolutely right - pretty spot on in fact. That's the whole point of science and knowledge; as our knowledge expands we can refine and improve our understandings of the universe. "Good" scientists are very quick to admit when their theories are shown to be wrong. "Bad" scientists are similar to religion - they continue to stick to their theories in an equally dogmatic fashion despite new evidence which may come to light.- Perhaps by saying "well that's not what I really meant to start with" (just as the priest no longer sells OT as fact but as metaphor) The bit in italics - well, I don't think that "blind faith" (a very accurate description of religion in general - the unabiding acceptance of doctrine without anything to evidence it) is related to instinct or intution....nothing in my instinct or intuition leads to believe in the supernatural, nothing leads me to believe that there is a god listening to my prayers and so on. As you might say (ok twisting your words here!) Faith is blind ..I shall add . . . ....knowledge is sight. Is there a creator? Maaaaaaayyyybe. Who created the creator? (etc) Do I look for explanations for things I cannot understand in god or the bible? No, resolutely not! I look forwards to the point where humanity can explain the unknown [italic]rationally[/italic] The bible tells us that the world is 6,000 years old - and to my disgust this is being taught as [italic]fact[/italic] in educational establishments in this country thanks to Cardinal Teflon Tony Blair and Reg [italic](wanna buy a dodgy mowta)[/italic] Vardy. The city of Damascus has been around for at least 7,000 years. . . . . . . . [italic]In every village there is a torch - the teacher. And an extinguisher - the priest Victor Hugo[/italic]

Dear Marcus, Are you seriously asking - who made the Eternal ? or just joking me ?

Marcus, Thanks, as usual, for your thoroughly detailed comments. You are right in your first comment to point out the many bliblical contradictions that exist. But remember that the bible was compiled by many many people, each with a different recollection and viewpoint of events, so there are bound to be flaws. But...I don't believe the bible exists to always be taken literally. So what if silver was not the currency of the time? I think it would count as nit-picking to criticize in so much depth. Don't forget that many many thousands of people hold the Bible in high regard simply for being there in times of need. Is this such a bad thing. You might be interested to know, by the way, that in the paper today, there was an article on how an academic of religion believes that the authors of the OT were recounting experiences of hallucinations due to drugs, even going so far as to say that Moses was 'high' when he received the ten commandments! Just thought I'd throw that in to the mix!

I seem to recall reading somewhere - I don't remember where! - that the NT was only made available in the 4th Century after the Church in Rome had spent almost 400 years translating, refining and re-writing the Gospels to fit in with their controlling ambitions at the time. Much was written in - and much was left out! Therefore, following the teachings of the Bible today is to simply follow the teachings of a bunch of medieval theologians who produced a document which laid down a framework for the way THEY wanted society to be at that time. Totally irrelevant today! I won't get into the theory of the lost gospel as I don't know enough about it and could not argue my corner on it. Is anyone else aware of this issue - or have I dreamt it up from somewhere??

I have heard that after Jesus's death (and resurrection!) the Christian church was an underground movement and had to meet in secret to avoid the dominant political and religious groups of the time. They couldn't do anything as open as publishing gospels before the Roman Empire accepted Christianity.

[quote][bold]simplysimon[/bold] wrote: Dear Marcus, Are you seriously asking - who made the Eternal ? or just joking me ?[/quote] At the risk of swaying from my ususal "rational" approach.... I'm asking those who believe in god, and in particular those who follow the creation dogma so "who created god?" As opposed to saying "the universe is eternal and infinite and far, far beyond our miniscule understanding (and my microscopic!) understanding of the universe" The universe does not need an eternal god and does not need religion. Religion is an invention of man, therefore god is an invention of man. The universe will continue long after man has gone. Therefore at that point god will be gone too, and won't reappear until he is invented again by those desperate to rationalise what they do not understand. The universe is eternal - so no need for deities, supernatural, imaginary all powerful friends and so on to explain the eternal. Top line from Tom about "Moses and the magic mushrooms" suddenly talking snakes make sense.......

[quote]Church in Rome had spent almost 400 years translating, refining and re-writing the Gospels to fit in with their controlling ambitions at the time. Much was written in - and much was left out! Therefore, following the teachings of the Bible today is to simply follow the teachings of a bunch of medieval theologians who produced a document which laid down a framework for the way THEY wanted society to be at that time. Totally irrelevant today[/quote] No you didn't dream it....the fullstory of the history of the bible is far, far more sinister!

Marcus, You are assuming the Universe is Eternal. It isn't. The Universe is temporary. It is only here until your last Breath. Then it's all packed up and gone. Utterly Gone! No trace of it's existence will remain. You will have no memory and no perception of it ever having existed. Marcus will no longer exist! Your 'rational' Universe will cease to exist along with every particle of you. I call that Rational. I call that Realism. Unless you know something more about it than I do. Can you explain what you are talking about when you use the word Eternal? It seems to me you are making a big assumption about something you have never known. I understand what you are saying about God and Religion. I can see what you are saying. But The Eternal? what do you know about it? What Knowledge do you have of it one way or the other ?

I am here to show you the Eternal. Once you have been shown it you can study it and assess it and Understand it. I don't think a clever chap like you will be able to explain it. Einstein couldn't explain it. Neither could Moses or Jesus and neither can Dawkins or Hawkins. I am not here to explain it. I cannot explain it. I can direct you to it, but I cannot explain it. I know you can't explain it. But you cannot explain a lot of things. There's a lot you cannot explain with rational thought. You just blindly believe you can.

Marcus, You are right about one thing, that much is Certain. The Eternal is way, way, way, beyond your limited miniscule rational understanding. So even you have made some progress.

What do you think the Universal Space and whatever big bang and Gods there may or may not be are contained within.?

Dear Tom, I have been re-reading your original post. You have identified some interesting points. Every Human Being has within them a 'longing' To Know the Truth. Christ did not create this need 'to Know' He did not put this 'original desire' 'to know' within anyone. Christ came to address the 'longing' the 'need' to know the Truth that resides within every human being. Jesus was his earthly physical form. What he did was address this 'thirst' within himself. He said to People was that what he had done was possible for any human being to do. His presence made it possible for People to go to him and receive that Knowledge that would enable them 'to know' the Ultimate Truth. He did not offer them a Religion, a belief system. That did not begin until after he had died. Other People took charge of the belief system and organised a Religion. In the absence of the physical presence of Jesus. Once Jesus had died, nobody could go to him and question the interpretations and representations that the Religion was disseminating to the People. Nobody could go and say, ''is this the True Understanding''? or ''am I understanding this correctly''? or ''can you clarify for me this part of the scripture''? Without the Clarification of Jesus, inevitably a lot of mis-interpretations and ambiguities could arise. Some would stick, some mis-conceptions would become the norm and be regarded as the Truth. Some errors of understanding would become possible, even popular understandings based on small errors would become commonplace after the passage of 2000 years. Faith should be placed in a Persons Intimate need 'to Know' This need 'to Know' can get covered up. It can be ignored, it can be forgotten, it can become secondary to both the Religious Communities and the Atheist Community. Jesus Christ was a Man who regarded this 'need to Know' as a Primary need within Human Beings. He Addressed it and did not cover it up with belief or non-belief. He Recognised that this 'need' within Man was itself Divine. He Understood that the Acceptance of this 'need' would lead any Living Person directly to the Eternal Divinity. If a Person had [bold]Accepted[/bold] that the 'need to KNOW' was still there. and felt they were ready to respond to that 'original need to Know' Jesus would Physicaly, Practicaly, show them the way to address that need within them.

Ah simplysimon! Are you identifying yourself with Jesus? You can show the blind and the deaf and the lame, you can show us the Eternal! Extravagant claims for someone who identifies himself as 'simply simon'.

Ah Ann, I can show, a Blind person the Eternal. I am not identifying myself with Jesus. I am not Jesus. I can show a Deaf person how to listen to the Eternal. I can direct a Lame person and anyone who is looking for the Eternal, TO THE ETERNAL. I don't just 'claim it' I can do it. I can show it. I can show you how to see it, hear it and come into direct contact with it. Don't confuse me with Jesus. I am not Jesus.

In fact, please don't even [bold]compare[/bold] me with Jesus. It's not the kind of publicity that is helpful.

[quote]Marcus, You are right about one thing, that much is Certain. The Eternal is way, way, way, beyond your limited miniscule rational understanding. So even you have made some progress.[/quote] Oh thanks Simon (I think.....) different approaches to the semantics of what is "eternal". My thinking being that we can look upwards to the sky and look back in time. Astronomers can now see galaxies 13 billion light years away. What they see happened 13 billion years ago; so I'm interchanging "eternal" with "infinite" possibly . . . . Our knowledge of the known universe pales into insignficance compared to what we do not know; the answers to what we do not know are clearly not to be found in religious dogma. We do not know what something 13 billion light years away looks like now. If you were 13 billion light years away looking at the milky way you would be looking at our known galaxy before it had even formed...... But this, I think you already know.

Dear Marcus, I am talking about the Actuality of the Eternal. I am not using the word without the Knowledge of it's [bold]Actuality[/bold] . That would be fraudulent of me. Infinite is an attribute of the Eternal. The Physical world is big. It's very, very, very, big. But it is still physical. If it is made of atoms and elements it is physical. And if it is physical it is finite. Whatever Understanding we get from the finite will also be finite. Our brain is finite. It's capacity may be big but it's contents are finite. Not ETERNAL. There may be a lot we do not know. I do not know whether what we do not know is a lot or a little. I have no way to measure or comprehend what I do not know. I just know that one Eternal thing that Mankind has the possibility to know. One thing that he does not yet know. And that one thing that he has not yet un-covered, that he has not yet identified. That is THE ETERNAL. He may be able to spell the word. But mankind has not yet encountered it and in [bold]Actuality[/bold] has not attained or acquired any direct Knowledge of it. The Eternal has not been placed in a doctrine. There was a time when no doctrine of any kind existed. There was a time when there was no sun, no moon, no stars, no earth, no galaxies. A time when there was not even nothing. Before all these came into being. The Eternal was there. It did not begin, it does not end. It is The Eternal.

Simplysimon, Thanks for addressing the divinity of Jesus; I was hoping that someone would comment. I must admit that part of me fully accepts what you are sayinf. "He Recognised that this 'need' within Man was itself Divine." A very well argued point which has given me a lot to think about for this evening. Thanks for your contribution to this blog. Please keep the debate going! Tom

Dear Tom, If you have recogniised this need. You are very close to Discovering Immortality. The Immortal is never far behind a need like that. That is why this 'need' is within mortals. It has always been within mortals. It is there for those who can Identify it. It has always been there. As long as you are mortal, this need will remain within you. Other needs can be satisfied. This 'need' is Unique, it cannot be satisfied, it is self-sustaining, it never leaves a human being. As long as you are a human being this need will constantly be there. No human can satisfy it. No Religion. No Sacrifices. No Charity. No Rituals or Man-made alphabets or Mountain of Information. No giving up or actions of any kind can ever satisfy this 'need' to Know. No amount of Births and Deaths. It can only be 'Addressed' by a Living Human. It can only be 'Identified' 'Recognised.' In this Life that you have now. This is the connection between the Human Being and the ETERNAL DIVINITY. this need can only be quenched by the Eternal. Nothing else will Fulfill this need. It can be covered over, it can be ignored, but it can only be Fulfilled by the Eternal. It is tied to the Eternal. When this 'need' is Identified. The Eternal Presents itself. The Eternal shows up!

Simplysimon, So if you are accepting divinity, then would you agree that Jesus was sent by God to allow mankind to gain closer access to the Eternal, or was Jesus just a 'clever' man who had believed in God, but who believed that his life's mission was to inspire followers to lead better lives? What are YOUR personal thoughts?

Hi Tom, Jesus 'opened the doors' to the Eternal. Once these doors had been opened for a Man. That Man could enjoy the Eternal. Jesus gave Man a key that would open the doors to the Eternal. Every Man has his own task, his own destiny, some are considered better than others. Some are considered worse than others. We are not here to judge what is good and what is bad. Jesus gave 'access' to living People when he was alive. [bold]Living in Actuality[/bold]

You are alive and I am alive. I can give you the keys that will open the doors to the Eternal. This can only happen if the giver of the keys and the receiver of the keys are both alive. [bold]This is the only time it can happen.[/bold] Those who feel the need to receive the keys will find Eternal Life. Even now, Whilst they are still alive. They will enjoy the Eternal. They will get to know it and Understand it. This is a process of Discovering the Eternal whilst you are still in the human body. Not after you are dead. [bold]Before death.[/bold]

If Christians know what the Eternal is I would like one of them to SHOW me. My veiw is that Theists and Atheists [bold]assume[/bold] they Know. I also take the veiw that if you do not know, you cannot show, and if you cannot show, you do not know. Jesus could SHOW. The Eternal.

So you disagree with what I've written in that you agrue one needs knowledge to reach the eternal. What about the knowledge of Science which seems to contradict the Church's teaching?

Dear Tom, Science will never reach the Eternal. Science studies the Universe. The Universe is vast. Not Eternal. Science is looking for a beginning. The Eternal does not have a beginning. To study the Eternal Man needs something that is Eternal. To study something that is far, far away man needs a tool. To study something very, very small man needs a tool. To study something that is Eternal, Man needs an Eternal tool, an Eternal Knowledge. An Eternal means. The mind of Man is limited. He can only use it to study that which is also limited. He needs something limitless to study the limitless. The Know-how has to be Infinite to study the Infinite.

Man [bold]can[/bold] study "the eternal". Our way to it is through Jesus! Its the fundamental principle of Christianity.

Dear Tom, [bold]So what is Eternal?[/bold] What does it look like? what does it sound like? Christians are following a teaching. Not reaching the Eternal. Following a teaching is fine, but The Eternal cannot be taught. It can only be Understood. It does not require a teaching to be known by Man. I can follow a recipe, and I can eat the cake I make. I don't think anyone would follow a recipe if it said I had to be dead before I could actually enjoy the cake. For some reason, People accept the recipe of Religion. They follow the recipe on the interpretation that they can have the cake only when they are dead. Maybe they will, I am not saying don't have a Religion. I am saying without the Eternal Means to Discover the Eternal in this Life, A man cannot Discover it in this Life. If People want to eat an Eternal Cake, they will first need to ask for the Eternal Ingredients. I can supply those Ingredients. I cannot force a person to ask. It is a request that must come from the Heart. Jesus did not follow a Teaching.

Dear Tom, So what is the Eternal.? what does it look like, sound like? How can we use the word unless we actually have identified what it is.? Has Christianity [bold]Identified[/bold] The Eternal.? If I get on a plane and the pilot says I do not [bold]exactly[/bold] know how to fly, but I have every faith we will get there once we are dead. I am going to get off that plane.

Man can LEARN AND UNDERSTAND the ETERNAL. There is no Teaching of it. It does not have any teaching. No teaching is required. [bold]Why is no teaching required?[/bold] Because all a Man needs is the [italic]willingness[/italic] to Learn and Understand. coupled with a 'no matter what it takes' kind of attitude. Even that kind of 'attitude' cannot be taught.

Simplysimon, Perhaps Jesus didn't follow teachings, its debateable, but he undeniably taught Christians how to lead better lives. One of our Christian goals is to follow Christ's image of what mankind should be in God's eyes, and through following Christ we might one day reach eternal life. There's no destination or plane ticket, we, I guess, are simply offering our Faith to God, and watching the results of that faith in our lives.

Dear Tom, How to lead a better Life ? Do you realise that Life cannot be improved upon. Life itself is already Perfect. What you are suggesting is a change to better circumstances. Not a better Life. Life has always been Perfect. Life needs to be embraced not modified. There is no reason to 'wait around' for better circumstances, circumstances can be improved and they can also swing into reverse very suddenly. Both sets of circumstances are the stuff of earthly Life. Eternal Life is here now. there is no need for Man to 'wait' Man waits and waits and waits. He waits for the bus, he waits for the dream job, the dream girl, the dream bank-balance. Christians 'wait' for God. They 'wait' for Jesus. They 'wait' for Peace. Why all this 'waiting'? Man has taken full responsibility for wars and conflicts and decides what is right and what is wrong. Then he leaves the responsibility for Peace to Jesus and God. He waits for Jesus and God to bring about Peace on Earth. Whilst he takes the lead in bullets and bombs and tanks and missiles. Surely, Jesus and God should have the responsibility for making the bulletts and the bombs and the tanks and the missiles. It should be their job to judge who gets nuked and blown to bits. Not Mans Job. Man should take full and total responsibility for Peace and Harmony. Let Jesus and God arrange their own wars. Let Man embrace Peace and Harmony. Nothing else.

Your Eternal Life, Your God is Here, Right now! Do not invent a reason to wait.

Simplysimon. Why are you obsessed with trying to sound like Jesus? Do you think you're everyone's spiritual advisor? Well, I'll tell you, you're not! And don't you blame Jesus and God for mankind's wars!

Hi Annoyed, Your Heart is your Best Advisor, the Truest Counsellor Advocates that you listen to your Heart. Learn it's language. Listen to it. Feel that Communication. Enjoy a conversation with your Heart. Trust it. Your Heart has never lied to you. I see Mankinds ignorance of the Heart for Human misery and suffering and conflict. Man has abandoned the Divinity of the Heart. He ignores the needs of the Heart and bows down like a slave to the futile arrogant reasons in his own mind. Man kneels and serves just about any logic except the Divine Presence within his own Self. I am not here to impress anyone. I am here to change everything.

Your Heart will recognise who I am or who I am not. I do not need a badge.

From Archdeacon John - its wonderful to read about this discussion. In John`s Gospel - the word `eternal` measns a quality of life - that quality of life is in a realtionship with God - that`s what Jesus taught - and that realtionship life - through the Resurrection of Jesus goes on with us beyond death. Eternal - Etrnity - Etrnal life is all ab out realtionship with God - and Jesus made that realtionshipm possible by his death and resirrection - which we focus on this week. Hope this helps. Arcdeacon John

Dear Archbeacon, Life itself is Eternal. The quality, the property, of Life itself is Eternal. Whether a man regards it to be in relationship to God or not 'relative' to God is a another matter. Life, The Breath of Life is ETERNAL. If you Breathe, You have been awarded a Breath. You have been awarded Eternal Life. The Eternal Component is a Breath. Nothing else is Eternal. That Power that Breathes within you is Eternal. That is the Holy Spirit keeping you alive. One Breath at a time. You can feel it's ebb and flow within you. It is not a concept. It is bringing you Life. Making you EXIST. Nothing else has the Power to do that. Eternal Life is about having a relationship with This Breath. Without that, there can be no Life. Mortals ignore the Breath of Life. They ascribe no value to it. Those who Acknowledge the Breath of Life. As the foundation of all Life become Immortal. They [bold]Realise[/bold] their own Immortality.

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