Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 1:27pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Dear Rev....
Good luck with the hip-hop-eration. Let's hope it makes more sense than your column. You are very lucky though, I don't have a nurse to prepare me for my joints. I have to roll and prepare for them all by myself.
Dear Rev....
Good luck with the hip-hop-eration. Let's hope it makes more sense than your column. You are very lucky though, I don't have a nurse to prepare me for my joints. I have to roll and prepare for them all by myself.
Posted by: Kevin Logan, Accrington on 8:57pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Thanks, James.
Same with you with your joints.
Fancy having to roll your own.
Just no justice in this world, is there?
The NHS, who manage mine, might be pushed to extend their initals to cover [bold]N[/bold] arcotics [bold]H[/bold] andyman [bold]S[/bold] ervice, or something.
Incidentally, is it the joints that prevent you from making sense of my column:))
or are you giving me the complete credit for that?
God bless, if you don't mind me ending so.
Thanks, James.
Same with you with your joints.
Fancy having to roll your own.
Just no justice in this world, is there?
The NHS, who manage mine, might be pushed to extend their initals to cover N arcotics H andyman S ervice, or something.
Incidentally, is it the joints that prevent you from making sense of my column:))
or are you giving me the complete credit for that?
God bless, if you don't mind me ending so.
Posted by: Nostradanous, Blackburn on 11:01am Sun 24 Feb 08
God can do a lot for self-acknowledged sinners.
For self-proclaimed saints there's little hope
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Were would you say that you stand in all of this Kevin?
God can do a lot for self-acknowledged sinners.
For self-proclaimed saints there's little hope
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Were would you say that you stand in all of this Kevin?
Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 2:05pm Sun 24 Feb 08
Dear Kev,
Gods Blessings to you kev. Saint or Sinner makes no difference. Nobody is Perfect, I can be both.
I don't take drugs any more (but that doesn't mean I need them any less) as long as your column makes sense to you, I think that's the main thing. Obviously, as I am an Atheist that Accepts the existence of a Supreme Creator (who by the way is also an Atheist) and rejects belief in every Religious Doctrine. I have a different Understanding, a different perspective and that will always present something of a challenge to any orthodoxy.
The Eternal is within you. I know that.
Dear Kev,
Gods Blessings to you kev. Saint or Sinner makes no difference. Nobody is Perfect, I can be both.
I don't take drugs any more (but that doesn't mean I need them any less) as long as your column makes sense to you, I think that's the main thing. Obviously, as I am an Atheist that Accepts the existence of a Supreme Creator (who by the way is also an Atheist) and rejects belief in every Religious Doctrine. I have a different Understanding, a different perspective and that will always present something of a challenge to any orthodoxy.
Posted by: Nostradamous, Blackburn on 6:35pm Sun 24 Feb 08
Obviously, as I am an Atheist that Accepts the existence of a Supreme Creator..
Is this another big bang believer then James with all the eveolution theories that go with it?or is it something different?
Obviously, as I am an Atheist that Accepts the existence of a Supreme Creator..
Is this another big bang believer then James with all the eveolution theories that go with it?or is it something different?
Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 2:19pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Dear Nostradamus,
This is no advocate of the Big bang theory. I think the Big Bang theory is the most lame and paltry notion that man has ever subscribed to.
There must have been some power that drove the big bang! There must have been a place where the big bang occurred. Something had to create the two components of the big bang! The big bang theory is really a big joke! masquerading as a bang!
This is about Discovering the Eternal Creator, not another un-testable theory. This is about Knowing the Eternal for yourself. This is about finding, testing, studying the Eternal first hand. Not a belief system. Not a style of Life. Not a way of behaving.
This is about Understanding it. Standing on your own two feet. With the ability you already have been given.
Not everyone is interested in doing that. This Knowledge is only for those who need it. It's very intimate, not a group endeaver. I don't talk anyone into it. There are those who know they need it and there are those who don't have the time for it.
This is Unique. Because every Human Being is Unique. This is a very Beautiful Journey, but it is not for the faint-hearted. You have to feel this is your Journey. You have to feel your way. It takes Courage and Humility.
Dear Nostradamus,
This is no advocate of the Big bang theory. I think the Big Bang theory is the most lame and paltry notion that man has ever subscribed to.
There must have been some power that drove the big bang! There must have been a place where the big bang occurred. Something had to create the two components of the big bang! The big bang theory is really a big joke! masquerading as a bang!
This is about Discovering the Eternal Creator, not another un-testable theory. This is about Knowing the Eternal for yourself. This is about finding, testing, studying the Eternal first hand. Not a belief system. Not a style of Life. Not a way of behaving.
This is about Understanding it. Standing on your own two feet. With the ability you already have been given.
Not everyone is interested in doing that. This Knowledge is only for those who need it. It's very intimate, not a group endeaver. I don't talk anyone into it. There are those who know they need it and there are those who don't have the time for it.
This is Unique. Because every Human Being is Unique. This is a very Beautiful Journey, but it is not for the faint-hearted. You have to feel this is your Journey. You have to feel your way. It takes Courage and Humility.
Posted by: Nostradamous, Blackburn on 5:33pm Mon 25 Feb 08
Aaaah i see James it is something different,and it all seems very nice to,i also feel that you will enjoy your journey i hope so mate you do seem a nice sort of person and my wife says she knows excactly what you are talking about so who am i to disagree with that..lol
I did see a documentary on TV the other week concerning a guy who set off from India to find his own space/peace,he actually made a sort of pilgramage from Ghandisgrave to Kennedys grave in the USA,but eventually settled in the peace and tranquility of Dartmoorm and what an interesting and spiritual journey i had to tell,good luck my friend peace be with you and may your god go with you also.
Aaaah i see James it is something different,and it all seems very nice to,i also feel that you will enjoy your journey i hope so mate you do seem a nice sort of person and my wife says she knows excactly what you are talking about so who am i to disagree with that..lol
I did see a documentary on TV the other week concerning a guy who set off from India to find his own space/peace,he actually made a sort of pilgramage from Ghandisgrave to Kennedys grave in the USA,but eventually settled in the peace and tranquility of Dartmoorm and what an interesting and spiritual journey i had to tell,good luck my friend peace be with you and may your god go with you also.
Methinks the grand designer of all things bright and beautiful was distracted by other things when designing the homo-sapiens hip.......
However you'll get a lot more chance of permanent repair through medical science than through prayer.
Methinks the grand designer of all things bright and beautiful was distracted by other things when designing the homo-sapiens hip.......
However you'll get a lot more chance of permanent repair through medical science than through prayer.
Posted by: Nostradamous, Blackburn on 8:19pm Mon 25 Feb 08
[quote][bold]James Cronshaw[/bold] wrote:
Dear Nostradamus. I am an Atheist. Did dave allen give you the finger ?[/quote] Aaah Jimmy boy you have sussed my out,for sure it was the Mr Allen who gave me the may your god go with you and aint it a nice phrase as well?
By the way you will have a god Jimmy everyone has a god even if it is only yourself,but you Will have a god,therefore the are no Atheist.someone or something that you follow or work for it is impossible to go through life without A god of some sort and gods do come in all guises ya know..
James Cronshaw wrote:
Dear Nostradamus. I am an Atheist. Did dave allen give you the finger ?
Aaah Jimmy boy you have sussed my out,for sure it was the Mr Allen who gave me the may your god go with you and aint it a nice phrase as well?
By the way you will have a god Jimmy everyone has a god even if it is only yourself,but you Will have a god,therefore the are no Atheist.someone or something that you follow or work for it is impossible to go through life without A god of some sort and gods do come in all guises ya know..
Posted by: Kevin Logan, Accrington on 11:33pm Mon 25 Feb 08
[bold]By the way you will have a god Jimmy everyone has a god even if it is only yourself,but you Will have a god,therefore the are no Atheist.[/bold] [italic][quote]italic[/quote] [/italic]
Not a bad come back, Nosty.
Atheism is such an over-worked, black-and-white definite term.
I've never met a real born again atheist; you know, the real fundamentalist type; one who stands religiously firm in the belief.
Each one has eventually evaporated into just another good old fashioned agnostic.
By the way, you asked earlier what camp I was in - SINNER or SAINT.
Us with fallen haloes round our necks are most certainly in the first. Lots of us got revved up after discovering the amazing grace of God towards us. He still loves us despite what we're like.
Slave trader John Newton's by favourite reformed sinner and his Amazing Grace hymn takes some beating.
And I like the bagpipes as well!
Chow!
By the way you will have a god Jimmy everyone has a god even if it is only yourself,but you Will have a god,therefore the are no Atheist.
italic
Not a bad come back, Nosty.
Atheism is such an over-worked, black-and-white definite term.
I've never met a real born again atheist; you know, the real fundamentalist type; one who stands religiously firm in the belief.
Each one has eventually evaporated into just another good old fashioned agnostic.
By the way, you asked earlier what camp I was in - SINNER or SAINT.
Us with fallen haloes round our necks are most certainly in the first. Lots of us got revved up after discovering the amazing grace of God towards us. He still loves us despite what we're like.
Slave trader John Newton's by favourite reformed sinner and his Amazing Grace hymn takes some beating.
And I like the bagpipes as well!
Chow!
Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 11:57am Tue 26 Feb 08
Dear Rev,
I think an Agnostic is someone who believes in God but does not believe in Religion. (I could be wrong, not sure)
I do not believe in any God. I do not know God. I accept that, it is impossible for any human being to know God. I accept their must be something, but I accept it is impossible to actually know it. It is beyond the grasp of Man.
My definition of an Atheist is someone who Accepts what he can know, and Accepts what he cannot know. I Accept I can never Know the source of Creation. I can get very, very, very, close to it. I can be as close to it as it is possible for a Human Being to get.
I can Understand Creation. I cannot Understand the Creator. Though the Creator can Understand me. I cannot fathom the Creator.
Dear Rev,
I think an Agnostic is someone who believes in God but does not believe in Religion. (I could be wrong, not sure)
I do not believe in any God. I do not know God. I accept that, it is impossible for any human being to know God. I accept their must be something, but I accept it is impossible to actually know it. It is beyond the grasp of Man.
My definition of an Atheist is someone who Accepts what he can know, and Accepts what he cannot know. I Accept I can never Know the source of Creation. I can get very, very, very, close to it. I can be as close to it as it is possible for a Human Being to get.
I can Understand Creation. I cannot Understand the Creator. Though the Creator can Understand me. I cannot fathom the Creator.
Posted by: Simplysimon, Burnley on 12:03pm Tue 26 Feb 08
I only Believe, put my Faith in that which I can Understand. I do not put Faith in that which cannot be fathomed.
I accept that - anything which can never be fathomed, can never be fathomed.
I only Believe, put my Faith in that which I can Understand. I do not put Faith in that which cannot be fathomed.
I accept that - anything which can never be fathomed, can never be fathomed.
Posted by: Ian the Beancounter, Darwen on 12:18pm Tue 26 Feb 08
[quote]I accept their must be something[/quote]
"Their" - belonging to someone
"There" - pronoun used to introduce a sentence (e.g. there must be a better way).
I accept their must be something
"Their" - belonging to someone
"There" - pronoun used to introduce a sentence (e.g. there must be a better way).
Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 12:37pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Dear Ian,
There is a way to know, not just believe, belief is just a variable. A belief can change to dis-belief and vice versa. Even Religious belief can be changed, converted, re-branded.
Once you Truly Know, it is impossible to un-know it. And that is wonderful news for Humanity!
'Their' - was just plain careless of me.
Dear Ian,
There is a way to know, not just believe, belief is just a variable. A belief can change to dis-belief and vice versa. Even Religious belief can be changed, converted, re-branded.
Once you Truly Know, it is impossible to un-know it. And that is wonderful news for Humanity!
Posted by: Kevin Logan, Accrington on 8:18pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Dear Ian the therecounter
Thanks for the 'Ciao' correction.
Chow.
P.S. It is so divine of you to swoop to the rescue of us mere mortals in our literary sin.
And you do it so graciously. You sent your only-begotten perfect English Language to guide us and help us, only for us treat it so abominally, crucifying it repeatedly.
But we thank you, Most Gracious Pedant, for resurrecting it from our deathly prose.
May your kingdom come on earth as it is [bold]their[/bold]in grammar heaven with you.
Amen.
Dear Ian the therecounter
Thanks for the 'Ciao' correction.
Chow.
P.S. It is so divine of you to swoop to the rescue of us mere mortals in our literary sin.
And you do it so graciously. You sent your only-begotten perfect English Language to guide us and help us, only for us treat it so abominally, crucifying it repeatedly.
But we thank you, Most Gracious Pedant, for resurrecting it from our deathly prose.
May your kingdom come on earth as it is theirin grammar heaven with you.
Amen.
Posted by: Nostradamous, Blackburn on 8:32pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Say what you will about Kevins Bogg, but it does throw up some excellent talking points, no doubt you must all be well aware by now that JC and SS have me completly baffled but i would expect you all to think that anyway,as you maybe aware or perhaps you are all to tied up in yourselves to notice that i never proclaim my beliefs or disbeliefs,now that in itself brings forth peace guys,life is so uncomplicated unless of course you wafood for thought maybe..
Say what you will about Kevins Bogg, but it does throw up some excellent talking points, no doubt you must all be well aware by now that JC and SS have me completly baffled but i would expect you all to think that anyway,as you maybe aware or perhaps you are all to tied up in yourselves to notice that i never proclaim my beliefs or disbeliefs,now that in itself brings forth peace guys,life is so uncomplicated unless of course you wafood for thought maybe..
Posted by: Ian the Beancounter, Darwen on 8:52pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Kevin, the sarcasm in your post does not become you! You must know by now that I do it in jest. Also, you refer to my [quote]only-begotten perfect English Language [/quote]. "Ciao" is Italian!!
Nosty, JC & SS will always keep you baffled! They are one and the same person. To gain an insight, look at the threads in the forum entitled "Your Seeds" and "Your Heart".
Sorry James, but it was you who let the cat out of the bag!! :-))
Kevin, the sarcasm in your post does not become you! You must know by now that I do it in jest. Also, you refer to my
only-begotten perfect English Language
. "Ciao" is Italian!!
Nosty, JC & SS will always keep you baffled! They are one and the same person. To gain an insight, look at the threads in the forum entitled "Your Seeds" and "Your Heart".
Sorry James, but it was you who let the cat out of the bag!! :-))
Posted by: Kevin Logan, Accrington on 11:42pm Tue 26 Feb 08
I know you do it for fun, Ian.
It's your thing. That's ok.
Re-read again.
Maybe you put sarcasm where it wasn't.
Maybe it's because you only see letters on a screen and miss the smile and the odd raise of the eyebrow, not to mention the chuckle. Really, I'm just bouncing back off your fun.
The good Lord gave us a sense of humour to use and I'm sorry if you thought I'd stooped to its lowest form.
Just a poor sinner trying his best. Will do better next time. How's that for repentance?
I know you do it for fun, Ian.
It's your thing. That's ok.
Re-read again.
Maybe you put sarcasm where it wasn't.
Maybe it's because you only see letters on a screen and miss the smile and the odd raise of the eyebrow, not to mention the chuckle. Really, I'm just bouncing back off your fun.
The good Lord gave us a sense of humour to use and I'm sorry if you thought I'd stooped to its lowest form.
Just a poor sinner trying his best. Will do better next time. How's that for repentance?
Posted by: Nostradamous, Blackburn on 9:23am Wed 27 Feb 08
Nosty, JC & SS will always keep you baffled! They are one and the same person. To gain an insight, look at the threads in the forum entitled "Your Seeds" and "Your Heart".
Sorry James, but it was you who let the cat out of the bag!! :-))
Thats OK Ian,i only answer what is in front of me and seeing that Kevin is the only person here who is not annon does it really make any difference?, if a person wants to use two iddentities that is ok,they must feel the need to do this and thats ok as well,maybe we should all learn to live and let live.
Nosty, JC & SS will always keep you baffled! They are one and the same person. To gain an insight, look at the threads in the forum entitled "Your Seeds" and "Your Heart".
Sorry James, but it was you who let the cat out of the bag!! :-))
Thats OK Ian,i only answer what is in front of me and seeing that Kevin is the only person here who is not annon does it really make any difference?, if a person wants to use two iddentities that is ok,they must feel the need to do this and thats ok as well,maybe we should all learn to live and let live.
Posted by: James Cronshaw, Burnley on 11:54am Wed 27 Feb 08
Learning is what it's all about. Whatever our beliefs. Understanding is electric, Understanding is fun. Understanding is what we Humans do best.
I am SS + JC And even if I wasn't an Atheist I still couldn't change the world. I can't even see the world, I have never seen it. All I can see is People! Perhaps I can help to awaken their Heart and maybe it might just be possible to improve my spelling. MiraKles can happen!
Learning is what it's all about. Whatever our beliefs. Understanding is electric, Understanding is fun. Understanding is what we Humans do best.
I am SS + JC And even if I wasn't an Atheist I still couldn't change the world. I can't even see the world, I have never seen it. All I can see is People! Perhaps I can help to awaken their Heart and maybe it might just be possible to improve my spelling. MiraKles can happen!
Posted by: Nostradamous, B/Burn on 12:28pm Wed 27 Feb 08
I am SS + JC
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Ha,aaaah James wel now that you are a repented sinner mate,lol, i hope you ont become a self proclaimed saint as well..(wink)
I am SS + JC
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Ha,aaaah James wel now that you are a repented sinner mate,lol, i hope you ont become a self proclaimed saint as well..(wink)
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