There are no plans that I have seen for a prison in East Lancashire, and - roughly speaking - I ought to know as the minister responsible for the prison system.
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But, for the avoidance of doubt, if a local authority or other landowner in our area comes along to the Ministry of Justice and offers a suitable site, I would certainly ensure that this was properly considered.
Lancashire itself has six prisons, which is more than you'd expect for a county of our size. There's the country's oldest prison, Lancaster Castle, opened in 1500, when Henry VII was on the throne. That's a smallish (250 places) training prison.
Preston, another very old jail, founded in 1790, rebuilt as a classic Victorian prison with around 700 places, is the main local' prison for our area. Then there's Wymott and Garth, separate establishments on the same site just outside Leyland, with over 1,600 places between them; Lancaster Farms, the large Young Offenders Institution with 530 places, half for juveniles 15 or over, the other half for 18-21 years olds; and finally Kirkham, an open' prison with around 600 places.
Indeed the only prison type we do not have is high security category A' jail for serious and dangerous offenders.
But all of these prisons are in the north, south, or west of the county. None here.Should we be pleased, or sad about that?
Ask people cold whether they would like a prison close by, and most will very quickly reply No, thanks'. I entirely understand why. The idea of a large number of criminals coming to stay, uninvited, will not appear at first blush to be an attractive proposition.
But here's a strange thing.
Once a prison is established is an area, the community often (not always, I accept) may become quite attached to it. This is not irrational.
First, there's the matter of jobs. The prison service is a big employer. The employment is secure, and carries a good pension. I appreciate that prison officers and other staff, unsurprisingly, would like more money, but the turnover of officers from the Prison Service to outside employment, at two per cent, is the lowest by far of any part of the public sector. At a time when across the western world employment in the manufacturing sector is bound to fall, prison jobs can be really important to an area.
Second, there's surprising scope for involvement of the community in the life of the prison.
Third, there's house values. I don't blame people in the least for worrying that an undesirable' development could knock the value of their home. But, happily, the available evidence - including from an outside independent study - is that having a prison does not mean lower house prices.
Lastly, the days of porridge', when prisoners did escape in some numbers, are over. Very few prisoners escape each year from lower category prisons, but staff have worked successfully over the years to make prisons places where prisoners really are kept locked up.
So the whole idea may not be quite as bad as it sounds.
Posted by: Hugh, Isle of wight on 4:13pm Thu 6 Dec 07
For once jack i agree with you. Prisoners these days dont escape why should they. 3 meals a day central heating Sky tv in their cells free use of a gym. A lot of law abiding people dont have those perks. Lets close the prisons and hang the low life scumbags. I for one object to paying tax to keep them in a lifestyle i cant afford!!!
For once jack i agree with you. Prisoners these days dont escape why should they. 3 meals a day central heating Sky tv in their cells free use of a gym. A lot of law abiding people dont have those perks. Lets close the prisons and hang the low life scumbags. I for one object to paying tax to keep them in a lifestyle i cant afford!!!
Posted by: Mr Angry, Blackburn Prison on 12:06am Fri 7 Dec 07
Crikey Hugh are you realy THAT upset about prisoners getting fed and watching TV? Not all prisoners are rapists or murderers and i bet although you will say that you would, you would not be the one to do all this hanging that you mention. Also you must live on a tight budget if you cant afford three meals a day, Sky TV and central heating!
Crikey Hugh are you realy THAT upset about prisoners getting fed and watching TV? Not all prisoners are rapists or murderers and i bet although you will say that you would, you would not be the one to do all this hanging that you mention. Also you must live on a tight budget if you cant afford three meals a day, Sky TV and central heating!
I'm afraid I have to agree with Hugh... if you're in prison you're a criminal, why should you have life's luxuries? Yes I can afford Sky TV but the pensioner next door to me can't and they struggle with central heating bills.. prisoners live a life of Riley in uk prisons, in some you can even study (fee-free) for degrees or A levels.
I wish I'd been given the opportunity to stay somewhere for three years, rent free, get my education for free, have free use of gym facilities, leisure facilities and internet usage.
And yes I agree that not all prisoners are rapists and murderers but they are criminals, otherwise why would they be in prison? Criminals have broken the law so why should we make life easy for them? Prison is supposed to be a punishment isn't it? Oh wait no, that's council tax....
I'm afraid I have to agree with Hugh... if you're in prison you're a criminal, why should you have life's luxuries? Yes I can afford Sky TV but the pensioner next door to me can't and they struggle with central heating bills.. prisoners live a life of Riley in uk prisons, in some you can even study (fee-free) for degrees or A levels.
I wish I'd been given the opportunity to stay somewhere for three years, rent free, get my education for free, have free use of gym facilities, leisure facilities and internet usage.
And yes I agree that not all prisoners are rapists and murderers but they are criminals, otherwise why would they be in prison? Criminals have broken the law so why should we make life easy for them? Prison is supposed to be a punishment isn't it? Oh wait no, that's council tax....
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