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The one who designed us still calls out has he as in every age
3:58pm Monday 30th June 2008
By Rev Kevin Logan »
WE Brits look back on what we once were. The good old days, say some.
That’s true concerning values, but then I retire next week and we senior has-beens tend to think that way, don’t we?
We Brits also look towards what will be, and it’s scary. We tip-toe nervously between ages, sometimes deafened by advocates of competing futures.
“Let go and be you!” crescendo modern voices. “Hang loose; know your own truth; be your own authority; do your thing and to hell with what anybody else thinks.”
Other influences entice, “Go within, my child; feel the vibes, flee modern plastic and concrete; go back to nature and know the innate powers that your species has forgotten.”
I’ve just updated and combined three books I wrote two decades ago, and the result, Paganism and the Occult, explains how this message echoes through every Civic Hall psychic night, your horoscope readings and even Harry Potter.
Younger voices carry guns and knives and snarl in their chaotic streets that “only the fittest will survive in the future to come”.
Into the confusion of our inbetween age, the One who designed us speaks. He still calls out as he has done in every age.
“Don’t copy the behaviour and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
"Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.” (Romans 12:2).
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Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
5:52pm Mon 30 Jun 08
Is your own will for you not good and pleasing and perfect. Is your own will really any different than your Gods will for you.
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
5:58pm Mon 30 Jun 08
If your will is something other than the will of God and it is somehow trying to compete with God then it might as well just surrender/retire today.
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
7:34pm Mon 30 Jun 08
then I retire next week
Please make my day and tell us you are retiring from this column also....one less discriminatory voice getting a public hearing would be a result.
do your thing and to hell with what anybody else thinks
Doing your own thing can equally take into consideration others. Doing your own thing is not necessarily selfish. Take being a vicar, for example. Whilst there are those who do it for purely selfish purposes, there are those who do it for generosity.
I’ve just updated and combined three books
Ah! The retirement fund.
Younger voices carry guns and knives and snarl in their chaotic streets
A clear insult to the hard working and studious majority of youngsters. Pathetic rhetoric, the usual rubbish from the rev.
The bloke who stabbed the other bloke in my street certainly wasn't a youngster. He was closer to retirement age. Doesn't make all pensioners dangerous knife wielding muggers does it? (although I do wonder about the road signs I see telling us to watch out for old people - makes me wonder if they are dangerous.....)
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
7:35pm Mon 30 Jun 08
then I retire next week
Please make my day and tell us you are retiring from this column also....one less discriminatory voice getting a public hearing would be a result.
do your thing and to hell with what anybody else thinks
Doing your own thing can equally take into consideration others. Doing your own thing is not necessarily selfish. Take being a vicar, for example. Whilst there are those who do it for purely selfish purposes, there are those who do it for generosity.
I’ve just updated and combined three books
Ah! The retirement fund.
Younger voices carry guns and knives and snarl in their chaotic streets
A clear insult to the hard working and studious majority of youngsters. Pathetic rhetoric, the usual rubbish from the rev.
The bloke who stabbed the other bloke in my street certainly wasn't a youngster. He was closer to retirement age. Doesn't make all pensioners dangerous knife wielding muggers does it? (although I do wonder about the road signs I see telling us to watch out for old people - makes me wonder if they are dangerous.....)
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
7:39pm Mon 30 Jun 08
"Paganism & the occult" by Rev Kev is 339,000 odd places lower down the charts!
Nostradamous, Blackburn says...
8:47am Tue 1 Jul 08
P.S i will make my comment regarding your above topic on another thread..
Revlog, Accrington says...
3:08pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Thanks for the best wishes for my retirement. I appreciate that.
Sorry to upset you, Joe, by my presence, but thanks for the good news that my book Paganism and the Occult is at 339,000. I never realised it was so high up the best- seller list.
You'll have to wait and see if my retirement includes this column. Don't you just love the excitement of not knowing?
By the way,
as kids knife and shoot each other; adults drink themselves into an early NHS involvement;
personal debt zooms beyond a trillion;
numbers going round the bend multiply, and
youth surf on violent crime waves,
don't you think we need a creed for the Third Millennium that is not million miles away from the one the Maker of Earth suggests?
Revlog, Accrington says...
4:59pm Tue 1 Jul 08
You wrote...
Kevin, when was the last time you let God (allegedly) change the way you think?
Actually, God changed my mind just before writing this reply.
I wanted to be less than charitable in telling you what I thought about "your will and God's will being the same".
But then, all the love and greatness of God reminded me that I'm to love you and communicate in a manner that is godly rather than grumpy.
So, let me just state that when you make your will the same as God's will you are doing what humanity has done ever since the Garden of Eden - making a god in our human image to suit our human needs.
Nostradamous, Blackburn says...
9:19am Wed 2 Jul 08
ppies yes we had the lot even then and the usuall cry was bring back national service,ok maybe this knife culture was possibly going on but in older hands than it is now and maybe it didnt hit the headlines as much as it does because it is very young people who are now involved but imo not much has changed really,excepting a more open society which we now live in,all the above does not make any of this acceptable but it does show that as you get older you do tend to think all was perfect in your day,and we all know it wasnt.
Now that i am quickly catching up with Kevin the future does not pose any worries for me at all regarding were life will take future generations, this is something i cant do a single thing about so i leave it in new hands and wish them well,i suppose my worries now are of the selfish nature like will i end up in an old folks home or will i become ill and infirm,but i dont dwell on these thoughts but i do accept that they are there.
Usually you would put all these down to the forth coming events as discribed in the book of Revelation and normally we could shrug this off by saying it has been like this since time began,but start including with it global warming and famines along with other wierd events and you may well start to think that we are nearing the end of this system.
There is a phrase in the bible that states"Then is finished the mystery of god" well to me there is no mystery,god is god and there seriously is no mystery in what he says in the bible,man has bent it it and twisted it but it really is quite clear,but very,very hard to live by.
We all need to change the way we think when our lives take a different path,tbh that is the only way any of us will cope with these changes.
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
2:54pm Wed 2 Jul 08
If Your God is not there to Fulfill us what are we here for ?
To be unfulfilled.?
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
2:58pm Wed 2 Jul 08
I want People to be Fulfilled.
Not being Fulfilled is causing a lot of misery and suffering.
Revlog, Accrington says...
6:45pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Are you not forgetting free will?
God gives us our lives.
He then offers to fill them but it's our decision whether or not we invite him to do so.
It's not as automatic as you make it sound.
Or have I got you wrong?
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
9:34am Thu 3 Jul 08
Are you not forgetting free will?
FREE WILL is the one thing that you are clearly very keen to restrict judging by your previous blogs.
I want to go shopping on sunday - my choice, not yours.
Me & the missus want bedroom antics before marriage - our choice, not for you to tell us what to do.
I want kids to go to a school that understands the difference between scientific theory of evolution and dogmatic religious creation rubbish - my choice.
My friends want to express their sexual orientation without fear of guilt or oppression - their choice, not yours.
etc etc etc
Revlog, Accrington says...
11:32am Thu 3 Jul 08
I'm no dictator; just a simple preacher man trying to tell it how it is with the Lord and his will.
Please feel free to do what you want in the bedroom before marriage.
By all means, shop 'til you drop on Sundays, and, of course, teach your kids that their pedigree involves apes (incidentally, I feel the need to join the celebration this Saturday of the 150th anniversary of Darwin's Origins book. Fair warning).
Joe, if I ruled the world you'd still have freedom to do all the above and anything else that took your fancy.
That's Godly.
I can do no other than what God does and he gives you free will to act in the way that you want to.
You can accept him and follow him and join him in heaven, or you can refuse him and follow your own will and go elsewhere.
Can I not have the same freedom to let people know what God has said about life and living in his Good Book?
People have still got choice.
They can think about what I write and consider acting, or write in and tell me I'm a silly old... (and they are even free to fill in the dots).
Yours at liberty
Kevin
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
11:54am Thu 3 Jul 08
I am not competing with Freedom. We have our choices.
But there are some things that are not based on Choice. Nobody ever choose the option to be un-Fulfilled.
God Fulfills the un-Fulfilled. I am here to be Fulfilled. I cannot figure a good reason to choose to be un-Fulfilled.
So Fulfillment is not an option. It's a Necessity. Choice does not apply.
Everything is about Being Fulfilled.
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
12:38pm Thu 3 Jul 08
By all means, shop 'til you drop on Sundays, and, of course
So that wasn't really you ripping down the banners at Asda then was it?
And it's not really you saying theological theory should be taught in science lessons?
The kangaroo court of Yossarian finds you guilty of double standards, I'm afraid.
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
12:39pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
12:39pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Joseph Yossarian, London says...
5:45pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Please feel free to do what you want in the bedroom before marriageSays Rev Kev
without the public commitment of marriage, sex is dishonest
Says Rev Kev.
So is this a change of position, or it ok for me to be dishonest?
If there is scientific evidence to this effect then I would hope that it is taught as such. The chimp Genome project shows DNA commonality between chimps and humans to be as close as between different breeds of dogs. We are different breeds of primates.
teach your kids that their pedigree involves apes
man trying to tell it how it is with the Lord and his will.YOUR interpretation of it, that is all.
Joe, if I ruled the world you'd still have freedom to do all the above and anything else that took your fancy.
So if I was a gay vicar wanting to marry another gay vicar would you conduct the ceremony? Or would you vilify me for going against (your interpretation) of god's way, as you have criticised homosexuals in the past? Or would (as your next comment suggests) tell me that despite being a gay vicar well loved by my congregation and having spend a life spreading the good word that I would not go to heaven?
You can accept him and follow him and join him in heaven, or you can refuse him and follow your own will and go elsewhereBONGGGGGGGGG Fundamentalist threat no. 666 of an ongoing series.
Where exactly? If I choose to live a kind and generous life but choose to ignore your divisive preachings and occasionally offensive dogmatic piffle then I'm doomed in the afterlife? Quite a ridiculous and shallow threat threat really. You have no right to act as judge.
Not a silly old so-and-so at all. Just another bloke trying to carve a living at the expense of others.
Nostradamous, Blackburn says...
10:16am Mon 7 Jul 08
Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
3:27pm Mon 7 Jul 08
How can a Bible earn my respect.? How can any book earn my respect.?
Some People do choose to give it a lot of respect. Way way way to much in my opinion. Why should an Atheist be expected to respect it ?
Why do People respect old books more than Life itself.?
Nostradamous, Blackburn says...
9:06am Tue 8 Jul 08
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James i did say if you were a believer mate..
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Ken Shuffles, burnley says...
5:48pm Mon 30 Jun 08
I Know something allows you to think. But how did it change the way you think.
I think, you just decided what you would think.?