£16m release clause in Phil Jones' contract with Blackburn Rovers (From Lancashire Telegraph)

what happened to us not being a selling club anymore?

Extremely poor management and contract negotiation skills here. What happened to the statement by Kean that it would take a bid in excess of anything we had receivced before to lure him away? Sorry Steve but did Duff and Shearer (with add ons) not total more than £16 mil?? Of course your knowledge of our history isn't too strong! Surely we should have been able to name OUR price not vice versa.

Couldn't wait to get this written and published could you Mr Cryer.

Where did this concept of a "selling" club come from? All players have their price, even Ronaldo!
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£16m for potential (and profit!) is a fair price to have in a contract.
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Did Kean negotiate his contract? isn't that what you have chief exec/chairman for?

First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

midas wrote:
Where did this concept of a "selling" club come from? All players have their price, even Ronaldo!
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£16m for potential (and profit!) is a fair price to have in a contract.
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Did Kean negotiate his contract? isn't that what you have chief exec/chairman for?

We haven't got a chairman or a chief exec. Just three Indians and a cowboy.

Yet again the release value arranged via the people at Rovers is way too low. This lad is worth £25million every day of the week but once again we have sold ourselves short. It is as now plain as day that he is going but like any player at Rovers he is replaceable. So long as the money is used much wiser than the frittered away Duff and Dunn cash (Amoruso, Ferguson etc.) then it will come in handy.

Shame the club haven't shipped the season tickets out though because I think quite a few will vote with their feet and stay away when we sell Samba and Jones.

I will be gutted to see the lad leave as he is top drawer but...... with 20millon plus and whatever the Venkys have promised Sterlin Moss to spend we should be able to bring some quality in this summer. Got to convince Samba to stay as it will be a hard task to replace both of em. My mate reckons he saw Tony Yaboah down at Ewood yesterday. You heard it here first. Up the Rovers!

Well.It looks like the inevitable outcome for this summer has started,we don`t have a manager with enough experience or respect to persuede our top players to stay.I can see a long summer of trying to replace quality players with a string of big names being linked with Rovers only to end up with a handfull of journeymen passed their best and prone to injury and promising players plucked from the B teams of the big clubs.16M for a player of Jones` quality is a joke,although it is almost half of Venkys investment in the club so not bad for them.If Kean remains in charge we will start next season with a significantly weaker squad than last season and will be relegated by Cristmas.MORE TURKEYS THAN CHICKKENS.

critic321 wrote:
First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

valleyblue wrote:
Well.It looks like the inevitable outcome for this summer has started,we don`t have a manager with enough experience or respect to persuede our top players to stay.I can see a long summer of trying to replace quality players with a string of big names being linked with Rovers only to end up with a handfull of journeymen passed their best and prone to injury and promising players plucked from the B teams of the big clubs.16M for a player of Jones` quality is a joke,although it is almost half of Venkys investment in the club so not bad for them.If Kean remains in charge we will start next season with a significantly weaker squad than last season and will be relegated by Cristmas.MORE TURKEYS THAN CHICKKENS.

16m is not the final price. Its the starting price for the bid. So he could go well past what Rovers got for Roque(18m).

I have one question to everyone going after Kean - Would you ask the same question against BFS. I dont think so. People would just say-'well the player wanted to leave and we got the best possible price available in market'.
So, lets not kid around saying Kean's inexperience was the reason.

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Agreed, £16million is all we will receive. Jones is in the driving seat because his wages will be where the auctioning now lays.

I can't see the problem here.

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16m for a lad from the academy represents great business.

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Of course we fans would love to see the best players stay at Ewood but we have to be realistic.

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Which one of us would not want to move to a job with better prospects and more money given the chance. If the lad wants to move there is no way that the Club can make him stay and perform to his best.

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I just hope that we get a good portion of the revenue to reinvest - hopefully in a proven goalscorer.

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I remember some years back there being talk about Martin Taylor being a future England captain. It's early days yet for Jones and 16m is huge money for a club like Rovers.

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It's a no-brainer really although the whingers will enjoy making an issue out of it.

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote:
First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Pls read first paragraph -it says 16m or more.

Lets consider Liverpool come up with 16m bid. Same time Manunited or Arsenal come up with same 16m bid, so what happens here. So, my point is ,if there is really a bidding war between 2 or 3 clubs, the figure will only go ahead.

16m these days is nowt for a class player. What where they thinking of. Maybe they were inviting interest.

To me, selling 16m(or more) is not a problem. We need to see how this money will be used.

Now you know where the "substantial funds" are coming from, it wont be fro season tickets that's for sure. God help us if Kean is allowed to spend it.

£16million plus for Jones would be superb business in todays climate. Yeah sure the lad will go on to bigger and better things, he's quality, so lets cash in now and rebuild for next season. We have Hanley in the wings who is equally as talented so its no great disaster as some of you are making out.
Just wish all you so called supporters who harp on about not renewing their season ticket find another blog to write on you really are getting boring!

jackslad1955 wrote:
Now you know where the "substantial funds" are coming from, it wont be fro season tickets that's for sure. God help us if Kean is allowed to spend it.

So, Who told you this ? Venkys or Kean ?

Gob wrote:

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Agreed, £16million is all we will receive. Jones is in the driving seat because his wages will be where the auctioning now lays.

It would be good business to sell Jones or any other player for a huge profit,but only if we have sufficient pull to atract quality replacements,and that is different to having the funds.I think we can also expect a similar auction to start for Junior Hoilet before the Summer is over as his contract has been allowed to run down to 12 months and now Mr Air Miles is having to fly to Canada to persuede him to sign an extension.When you take into account the return of last seasons loan players,the loss of Jones,probably Samba and Kalinic and the clear out of dead wood,Grella,Andrews,
Pederson and Benjani we need to sign around 10 quality players.I can`t see that happening with the current structure at the club.

This is a excerpt from Telegraph, reiterating what I was saying ....

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"It is understood Jones has a £16m escape clause in his contract, but if a bidding war happens, Blackburn could still receive more than the club record fee of £17m they were paid by Chelsea and Manchester City for Damien Duff and Roque Santa Cruz respectively. "

Lusorover are you an idiot 16 million for a 19 year old future England captain and worth 25 million of anyones money now let alone in a few years time.Just who is the numpty at ewood brokering these contracts and deals i for one m sick of us being ripped off with other clubs stealing our stars for a pittance grow some b***s Rovers and stop giving our young talent away.

Whilst I'd be gutted to see Jones go, I'm not surprised that he is looking to jump to a bigger club.
I cannot see light at the end of the tunnel under Kean- it is vital he makes 4-5 top quality signings this summer, & I just can't see top-quality players wanting to chance their arm under a no-mark manager, playing for a club whose entire structure has been decimated by Venkys. Samba has already apparrantly hinted that he will stay if we make some quality signings, but I fear that if Jones leaves then Samba will too.
Kean should be pulling out all the stops to make a couple of early signings, firstly to increase the squad strength, & secondly to show the ambition that the better players crave. If Kean can't do this, or the palyers won't sign for him, for goodness sake get a proper manager in quickly.

valleyblue wrote:

Gob wrote:

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Agreed, £16million is all we will receive. Jones is in the driving seat because his wages will be where the auctioning now lays.

It would be good business to sell Jones or any other player for a huge profit,but only if we have sufficient pull to atract quality replacements,and that is different to having the funds.I think we can also expect a similar auction to start for Junior Hoilet before the Summer is over as his contract has been allowed to run down to 12 months and now Mr Air Miles is having to fly to Canada to persuede him to sign an extension.When you take into account the return of last seasons loan players,the loss of Jones,probably Samba and Kalinic and the clear out of dead wood,Grella,Andrews,

Pederson and Benjani we need to sign around 10 quality players.I can`t see that happening with the current structure at the club.

Exactly my point. Problem is not selling Jones for 16m or 20m. Its how the money is used to get new players. Jury is still out on Kean on this. I hope for BRFC sake he gets it right.

OMG. This is just unbelievable. We have tied our own hands in this case nobody at Blackburn Rovers can veto this transfer, we have effectively made sure that he will leave way earlier than he would have done with his old contract, and we have made sure we will not get anything near what he is worth. Good job Kean and Venkys!!!!!

critic321 wrote:

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Pls read first paragraph -it says 16m or more. Lets consider Liverpool come up with 16m bid. Same time Manunited or Arsenal come up with same 16m bid, so what happens here. So, my point is ,if there is really a bidding war between 2 or 3 clubs, the figure will only go ahead.

Sorry but Rovers have to accept a bid of £16million for him - hence the term "release clause". The only figures that come in to play after that are wages and terms - which only benefit Jones and his agent.

£16million is a lot of money but Rovers have really sold themselves short here anything by £4m-£9m.

*A great point by another poster is that of Tiny Taylor - he was meant to be the next great thing at Rovers but he didn't come up to scratch. Jones has only made 34 appearances for Rovers so he really is in the early days and hasn't had the opportunity to drop off. My opinion of him is he is the real deal though and will go on to great things. He is in a fantastic position to be wanted by the best teams in the country and unfortunately we can't complain if he chooses to move upwards.

Don`t get were this bidding war is coming from or how it will happen...
A £16m release clause means as soon as ANY club offers £16m to the penny he can open talks with them no matter how many clubs or what they offer.For example liverpool could offer £25m, £50,000 a week and play in the europa league,Then aresenal offer £16m,£50,000 a week and play in the champions league HE can goto arsenal for the £16m beacause of the chance to play better football due to the £16m release cause. End of the day it is down to him which club he wants to play for and what they offer him as long as the £16m to the penny is offered to trigger it....

Jones, Samba and Hoilett could be out the door for around £30m plus. We are linked with the likes of Miller and Riordan. After the promise of transfer funds Venkys look like they might turn a profit this summer.

rovers-baz wrote:
Don`t get were this bidding war is coming from or how it will happen...
A £16m release clause means as soon as ANY club offers £16m to the penny he can open talks with them no matter how many clubs or what they offer.For example liverpool could offer £25m, £50,000 a week and play in the europa league,Then aresenal offer £16m,£50,000 a week and play in the champions league HE can goto arsenal for the £16m beacause of the chance to play better football due to the £16m release cause. End of the day it is down to him which club he wants to play for and what they offer him as long as the £16m to the penny is offered to trigger it....

You could be right. But I am not supporting anything on contract. All I am saying is, 16m need not be minimum.

critic321 wrote:

valleyblue wrote:

Gob wrote:

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Agreed, £16million is all we will receive. Jones is in the driving seat because his wages will be where the auctioning now lays.

It would be good business to sell Jones or any other player for a huge profit,but only if we have sufficient pull to atract quality replacements,and that is different to having the funds.I think we can also expect a similar auction to start for Junior Hoilet before the Summer is over as his contract has been allowed to run down to 12 months and now Mr Air Miles is having to fly to Canada to persuede him to sign an extension.When you take into account the return of last seasons loan players,the loss of Jones,probably Samba and Kalinic and the clear out of dead wood,Grella,Andrews, Pederson and Benjani we need to sign around 10 quality players.I can`t see that happening with the current structure at the club.

Exactly my point. Problem is not selling Jones for 16m or 20m. Its how the money is used to get new players. Jury is still out on Kean on this. I hope for BRFC sake he gets it right.

If there is a release clause for £16m, we will NOT get more than that. Once the £16m has been offered, Jones has the right to decide if he goes or not. As someone says above, the negotiation will then be down to who offers Jones the best deal, not who offers the Rover s the best deal. By inserting this clause in his contract, Rovers (and I assume Kean) have put a ceiling on his value. The simple fact is that if Arsenal bid £20m, Man Utd bid £16m, Jones can still opt to go to United for £16m.

Cast you mind back to when it was announced that Kean had been tying down our stars and getting them committed to the club. Now think how easy that must have been by simply offering them a bit more cash and telling they can go if a very moderate offer comes in for them.

This is very bad management!

Lets give Rovers some credit where credit is due. To sign Jones and Samba on new long term contracts in January was good business. Both Samba and Jones could have refused to sign the contracts and then left the club on less favourable terms. So to get a 'high' sell on clauses in negotiations with agents is good business. We know the headline figure but no doubt there will be other clauses involved. There will still be a bidding war as clubs try to get in the best position to get their man.
Clubs now have very little influence on players. Agents are continually touting their clients around to the highest bidder and when a player wants to go the clubs cannot hold on to them. It does not matter how 'big' or 'rich' the club is. Look at the current Tevez will he go will he stop situation at Man City, even a reported wage of up to £285000 a week may not be enough.
I personally think Jones will benefit from another season at Rovers if they will give him regular first team football in his favoured position. But it is his decision to leave. If he wants to win trophies then he must go to Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea. He will win nothing at Arsenal or Liverpool.

rovers-baz wrote:
Don`t get were this bidding war is coming from or how it will happen... A £16m release clause means as soon as ANY club offers £16m to the penny he can open talks with them no matter how many clubs or what they offer.For example liverpool could offer £25m, £50,000 a week and play in the europa league,Then aresenal offer £16m,£50,000 a week and play in the champions league HE can goto arsenal for the £16m beacause of the chance to play better football due to the £16m release cause. End of the day it is down to him which club he wants to play for and what they offer him as long as the £16m to the penny is offered to trigger it....

Totally agree.We will get 16M and no more.THE GREAT THING IS MR KEAN CAN USE ALL OF IT TO BUY BACK R.S.C.
I wish to god they put a clause in Kean`s contract forcing him to leave when he proved to be an incompetent half witted drunken buffoon.

critic321 wrote:

rovers-baz wrote: Don`t get were this bidding war is coming from or how it will happen... A £16m release clause means as soon as ANY club offers £16m to the penny he can open talks with them no matter how many clubs or what they offer.For example liverpool could offer £25m, £50,000 a week and play in the europa league,Then aresenal offer £16m,£50,000 a week and play in the champions league HE can goto arsenal for the £16m beacause of the chance to play better football due to the £16m release cause. End of the day it is down to him which club he wants to play for and what they offer him as long as the £16m to the penny is offered to trigger it....

You could be right. But I am not supporting anything on contract. All I am saying is, 16m need not be minimum.

WHY?......If £16m is not the minimum then the headline would be that he had a £20m+ release clause

Well, It looks like it will be good-bye Phil Jones, if we do lose Jones, then we must keep Samba.
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I think the clause should have been min 20 Million, it was poor management to allow such a low figure
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Anyway, how about Neil Danns as a replacement for Jones? 6 or 7 million? it will leave us 10 million in the kitty, or even ask the buying club if we can keep Jones on loan for a season?
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Also some of the talk i am hearing about possible signings funds we will have are not good! 10 million cash pot to make us a top 10 side!! LMAO, Kris Boyd!!! FFS please no, that must be a joke! (ok 10 million is more than we have had in recent years but this wont make us a top 10 club)

And untill Cryer posted this there was nothing on the internet about his contract....he may as well hired a plane and flew over the so-called big clubs with a banner saying "PHIL JONES HAS A £16M RELEASE CLAUSE"

could somebody tell me how many players left the Rovers' to go on to bigger and better things?
Not RSC, Alan Shearer, Sutton, Warnock, Henry (he came back for bigger and better things). etc etc etc....The grass is not always greener.
The Rovers' over the years have had some great players and will do so again. As long as we get the maximum amount available for any player wanting to leave that is all we can hope for.
It's going to be a long hard summer, not knowing who is leaving and who is coming. But the main thing is to get the business done as soon as possible before the start of next season. both to give the players time to gel and give the supporters some much needed HOPE! for the future.
Sec word " stay-goal" interesting!

Every player has a price, no doubt about that.
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If Man City paid £24m for Lescott and are apparently prepared to pay £25m for Baines - £16m for Jones is clearly nowhere near enough.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but has the journalist actually got any EVIDENCE of this release clause?

funny, the security words are 'fact-base'......

jackslad1955 wrote:
Now you know where the "substantial funds" are coming from, it wont be fro season tickets that's for sure. God help us if Kean is allowed to spend it.

course it won't be from season tickets.
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we need to understand where the revenue comes from. let's say next season rovers get 18,000 season ticket holders (no idea what the number would be, but its not a million miles away)...assuming that they are all at £225 (i know they won't be) then that brings in a massive £4million, minus 20% VAT is just shy of £3.3m.
Of course, there is extra turnstile revenue (posh seats, away fans etc) - but it makes you realise precisely how much the punter sat on the riverside contributes to the coffers of the club.
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So, 18k season tickets pays for the wages of two players on £35k per week (less bonuses).....makes you think.

P.s I think you all need to back off Cryer, it was in some of the morning rags about the clause.. so cryer was not the first to let the cat out the bag, it is very unfair of some of you to blame him, when you dont know your facts!

I'm crying with laughter. Its amazing how many people think they can run a multi-million pound business when probably their only experience was a paper round whilst at school. If he hadn't signed a new contract he would have been leaving this summer for pennies, its a great piece of business by someone to put a realistic clause in for 19 year old, best of both worlds, if its too much we have a star in the making if he goes we have a huge amount of cash to strengthen the squad.....you keep typing, I'll keep laughing.

The release clause article was in the Sun, that's where he got it from. He obviously reads the transfer gossip on the BBC teletext. Surely a 'journalist' should state where he got this information from?? Someone from within the club say.... I could write the rumours on here too, saying that it makes a change from the usual cut and paste off sky sports.

Until someone from the club or Jones himself makes a statement on this subject then all this talk is just more media speculation seemed to be aimed at causing continued unrest amongst the fans. (Why stop baiting Rovers fans just cos the season ended)!

If the story was first run in the SUN as Ossy Blue says then any semblance of truth (or more likely fiction) will be shrouded in the mists of their journalistic sensationalism as normal.

The clause was nothing to do with the club. It was the PJ camp that insisted on it. When the manager said we will have substantial funds to spend in the summer, this is where it was coming from. Unfortunately their wasn't a lot the club could do, it works best for both parties. As I said yesterday he will go and it will be for £16 million pounds. 3 clubs are after PJ, Chelsea are no longer chasing him. It's down to the player now to decide which club to choose.

French Rover wrote:
Until someone from the club or Jones himself makes a statement on this subject then all this talk is just more media speculation seemed to be aimed at causing continued unrest amongst the fans. (Why stop baiting Rovers fans just cos the season ended)!

If the story was first run in the SUN as Ossy Blue says then any semblance of truth (or more likely fiction) will be shrouded in the mists of their journalistic sensationalism as normal.

I'd like to see some speculation on who we are trying to or would like to sign rather than who might leave!

So Jones has a £16m release cause in his contract.
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Does that mean he's going to leave?
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The lads a Rovers fan so he might want to stay?
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As French Rover has basically stated- Don't believe the hype because the truth is sometimes very different from the paper selling bullsh*t that the tabloids pedal

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote:
So Jones has a £16m release cause in his contract. . Does that mean he's going to leave? . The lads a Rovers fan so he might want to stay? . As French Rover has basically stated- Don't believe the hype because the truth is sometimes very different from the paper selling bullsh*t that the tabloids pedal

Very true! Let's be honest, the Lancashire Evening Telegraph is OFTEN way off the mark too. They don't have any links (other than a table in the premier lounge) or sources with the club these days and just regurgitate what they read in the tabloids like all of the other news outlets. I remember the days when this paper spoke the truth and if it was in the paper, it was going to happen...now I don't trust it in the slightest.

Gob wrote:

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote: So Jones has a £16m release cause in his contract. . Does that mean he's going to leave? . The lads a Rovers fan so he might want to stay? . As French Rover has basically stated- Don't believe the hype because the truth is sometimes very different from the paper selling bullsh*t that the tabloids pedal

Very true! Let's be honest, the Lancashire Evening Telegraph is OFTEN way off the mark too. They don't have any links (other than a table in the premier lounge) or sources with the club these days and just regurgitate what they read in the tabloids like all of the other news outlets. I remember the days when this paper spoke the truth and if it was in the paper, it was going to happen...now I don't trust it in the slightest.

Unfortunately, both the Sun and Mr Cryer are correct on this story. Also expect some movement on Samba over the next couple of weeks.

I cant understand why a "rovers fan" would want to play for anyone else.

To me its a traitor to the cause!

What did we do with traitors in 1916?

For gods sake, Steve Kean does not write release clauses into contracts.

I realise that on football manager for the PC you are omnipotent, but this is not realistic. I think it was probably John Williams who did this contract negotiation.

I agree, the clause is way far of what I'd like it to be, but if he's had his head turned and wants to go elsewhere, no point in keeping him. I'd just wish for his career to take off in the way that Bentley's, Warnock's, Bellamy's, Santa Cruz's, Sutton's did when they left us!

Bb24 wrote:

Gob wrote:

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote: So Jones has a £16m release cause in his contract. . Does that mean he's going to leave? . The lads a Rovers fan so he might want to stay? . As French Rover has basically stated- Don't believe the hype because the truth is sometimes very different from the paper selling bullsh*t that the tabloids pedal

Very true! Let's be honest, the Lancashire Evening Telegraph is OFTEN way off the mark too. They don't have any links (other than a table in the premier lounge) or sources with the club these days and just regurgitate what they read in the tabloids like all of the other news outlets. I remember the days when this paper spoke the truth and if it was in the paper, it was going to happen...now I don't trust it in the slightest.

Unfortunately, both the Sun and Mr Cryer are correct on this story. Also expect some movement on Samba over the next couple of weeks.

Bb24 I remember all your info in January was spot on any news on new signing mate and how much we are going to spend ... and please tell me diouf from utd ain't returning

oh my lord! if it's not drivel about venky's conspiracy or kean as a yes-man, it's now that they have somehow practically given away jones! please, please, please can we have some realism in the debate.
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firstly, £16m is not a inconsiderable amount of money. we think he could be worth more ultimately, but it's not like he would walk into the first team of mot of the top teams (arsenal being the exception).
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strangely, none of you questioning the club over the release clause are pointing the finger of blame towards the player or his representatives. it would have been the player/agent who put that on the table, not the club. it would have been the club who would have reluctantly accepted that figure. the alternative is saying no to the clause and failing to agree terms. we would therefore be more likely to see jones leaving for less.
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and for those somehow blaming kean for this... well, that doesn't even require comment.
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there is a chance jones could opt to stay, given the situation and his affinity for the rovers. it's unlikely, but still a chance. if he goes, it's a reasonable price which through statements made by venky's we can assume a significant chunk would go into a replacement. we also have some decent replacements in the youth system to consider too. NOT A DISASTER!

Let’s get the 16million and hopefully have the money to spend wisely on
strengthening the squad. Don’t think Kean or Venky’s can be blamed on this one, the lad Jones
was always going to leave and I don’t think his advisors would have let a 20million plus
clause to be inserted into his contract. Good luck to the lad looks like he could be a class
act – but remember he’s not the finished article yet just potential. The only concern is the vultures
circling around Samba and Hoilett, anymore of our top draw players being allowed to leave
and we could be in for another dismal season. Let’s see what the summer brings and see if the
Venky’s want to move Rovers forward and I’ll be eagerly awaiting inside info. From BB24.
Now that Kevin Nolan has rejected a new deal at Newcastle why are the bookies and sky sports
making Rovers the favourites to sign him – BB24 is there any mileage in this one?

Bb24 wrote:
The clause was nothing to do with the club. It was the PJ camp that insisted on it. When the manager said we will have substantial funds to spend in the summer, this is where it was coming from. Unfortunately their wasn't a lot the club could do, it works best for both parties. As I said yesterday he will go and it will be for £16 million pounds. 3 clubs are after PJ, Chelsea are no longer chasing him. It's down to the player now to decide which club to choose.

Blackburn Rovers is the ONLY choice for Phil Jones!

But Bb24 seems determined to push "the 16 million pound clause" theory (and that is all it is - an unsubstantiated theory).

Probably Phil will want away sometime in the near future to play at the very top level - but not just yet I dont think. Maybe another season or two just so he can see what the Rovers owners ambitions really are?

By the way Bb24 - please stop calling him PJ...its so un-British, it makes him seem like a rap-star, and it sounds like he plays in his pyjamas....

Bb24 wrote:

Gob wrote:

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote: So Jones has a £16m release cause in his contract. . Does that mean he's going to leave? . The lads a Rovers fan so he might want to stay? . As French Rover has basically stated- Don't believe the hype because the truth is sometimes very different from the paper selling bullsh*t that the tabloids pedal

Very true! Let's be honest, the Lancashire Evening Telegraph is OFTEN way off the mark too. They don't have any links (other than a table in the premier lounge) or sources with the club these days and just regurgitate what they read in the tabloids like all of the other news outlets. I remember the days when this paper spoke the truth and if it was in the paper, it was going to happen...now I don't trust it in the slightest.

Unfortunately, both the Sun and Mr Cryer are correct on this story. Also expect some movement on Samba over the next couple of weeks.

I don't doubt it on both counts BB24. The fact that Samba signed his contract after the last window shut said it all to me. Both are talented but replaceable though but if Samba signed a contract in Feb we can guarantee there will be another clause in that one too - below his true value.

Out of interest, who was the marquee signing we were very close to back in January? I haven't kept up to date on here over the past few months so apologies if he has been revealed already.

16 million is nowhere near enough for Jones quality and potential. We should be building the team around him not selling him. If he MUST be sold, he is worth 25 million at today's prices - with that we could get one player just as good or 2 players nearly as good.
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If Venky's really are ambitious, that is the sort of quality we need to compete for Europe.

Robbie wrote:
P.s I think you all need to back off Cryer, it was in some of the morning rags about the clause.. so cryer was not the first to let the cat out the bag, it is very unfair of some of you to blame him, when you dont know your facts!

Back off Cryer ,you're having a laugh .He's at it nearly every day with his Phil Jones story ,stoking up agents and big club managers everywhere . Give it a rest pal and find someyhing else to write about . Try a few cricket stories perhaps . After all it is the season .

Bb24 wrote:
The clause was nothing to do with the club. It was the PJ camp that insisted on it. When the manager said we will have substantial funds to spend in the summer, this is where it was coming from. Unfortunately their wasn't a lot the club could do, it works best for both parties. As I said yesterday he will go and it will be for £16 million pounds. 3 clubs are after PJ, Chelsea are no longer chasing him. It's down to the player now to decide which club to choose.

Does that mean Venkys are putting in zero cash for transfers?

Must say I'm a bit dissapointed with this news. How come Cahill is supposed to be worth 17 million and Jones, who is twice the player Cahill will ever be is only valued at 16, someone needs sacking for that one

Boris The Spider wrote:

critic321 wrote:

valleyblue wrote:

Gob wrote:

ScottSellars11 wrote:

critic321 wrote: First of all, if there is a 16 million clause, the amount would have signed in only after negotiations with Club and player's agent. Its not as if Steve Kean thought about a figure and chose the number 16. So,lets not be against Kean or Venkys. Its a agreement by both parties. Moreover, I dont think 16m will be final amount. It seems there might be a bidding war. 16m is only a starting figure for the bids. More the competition, more the value. I wouldn't want him to leave either. If Luka Modric says he wants to go, Tottenham has to sell him to the highest bidder. So lets not kid ourselves saying BRFC is a selling club. Every player has a price. Its players market out there and blaming the club or manager is naive.

No, it is not the starting value - it is the maximum value we can get. Rovers are contractually obliged to accept any bid of £16M so why would any club bid any more. They would only be in competition with each other when offering the player the mega bucks etc.

Agreed, £16million is all we will receive. Jones is in the driving seat because his wages will be where the auctioning now lays.

It would be good business to sell Jones or any other player for a huge profit,but only if we have sufficient pull to atract quality replacements,and that is different to having the funds.I think we can also expect a similar auction to start for Junior Hoilet before the Summer is over as his contract has been allowed to run down to 12 months and now Mr Air Miles is having to fly to Canada to persuede him to sign an extension.When you take into account the return of last seasons loan players,the loss of Jones,probably Samba and Kalinic and the clear out of dead wood,Grella,Andrews, Pederson and Benjani we need to sign around 10 quality players.I can`t see that happening with the current structure at the club.

Exactly my point. Problem is not selling Jones for 16m or 20m. Its how the money is used to get new players. Jury is still out on Kean on this. I hope for BRFC sake he gets it right.

If there is a release clause for £16m, we will NOT get more than that. Once the £16m has been offered, Jones has the right to decide if he goes or not. As someone says above, the negotiation will then be down to who offers Jones the best deal, not who offers the Rover s the best deal. By inserting this clause in his contract, Rovers (and I assume Kean) have put a ceiling on his value. The simple fact is that if Arsenal bid £20m, Man Utd bid £16m, Jones can still opt to go to United for £16m.

Cast you mind back to when it was announced that Kean had been tying down our stars and getting them committed to the club. Now think how easy that must have been by simply offering them a bit more cash and telling they can go if a very moderate offer comes in for them.

This is very bad management!

Yes, yes, let's blame Kean. Of course, he's the ONLY person who has any sort of say in this, right? Jones and his agent can't possibly have any input, can they?
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This is no different to what happened with Duff. He too got a new contract which had a release clause in it. Do you not think that maybe Jones would not have signed a new deal had the release clause not been put in, and at a reasonable amount?
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The person who mentioned about Martin Taylor makes a reasonable point that I hadn't really considered. We are very much dealing with a player's future value here. Yes, he's come through at Rovers and done well, but he's not played that many games in the grand scheme of things. Add to that that he has already had one serious injury (which could potentially affect his value).
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It is highly unlikely we are going to be in a position to compete for the title or Champions League any time soon. That is not the fault of Venky's or Kean. We couldn't do it consistently even with the funds from Jack. No matter who the player is, or whether it's their "local team", money and trophies talk these days.
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As for the 16m, it still requires a substantial gamble from one of these "big" clubs to trigger the release clause. If it is 16m "plus", then I imagine the "plus" might be some kind of add-ons based on appearances/internat
ional caps, or a sell-on clause. But I doubt anyone would offer more than the 16m up-front because they don't need to.
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If he goes, then good luck to him. I won't hold any ill-feeling towards him, but before he decides to leave I would show him the list of those who left Rovers to go on to "bigger and better things" and ask him "where are they now?"
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If he does go, then the 16m MUST be reinvested in the squad, and should be in addition to whatever funds we were going to have available this summer.

The player is temporary the shirt is permanent.

Replaced with real quality in the areas we need & chiffon hell we are laughing.

No-one can stop a player leaving - no-one. I remember having my illusion well & truly burst when Kevin Herd left for Leeds & I couldn't understand why he would want to leave BRFC? A harsh lesson at 13 to learn that quality leaves Ewood Park.

Jones, is an exceptional talent & only if BRFC can match the so called "Ambition' then we are never going to keep hold of the Jones of this world.

Venky need to spend £50/60 mill on real quality players & then maybe BRFC can satisfy the so called 'Ambition' factor.

It's a fact: The player is temporary the shirt is permanent.

Arte et labore

Anyway, to sum up then, Samba wants out, Jones wants out, Kalanic wants out, We want jermaine jones but he doesn't want to come, Fielding has been sold to Derby, Emerton wants to go back to Australia and Dunn, Nelson and Salgado are coming to the end of their careers as well. Also Kean is a p1sshead numpty. I see he's doing well keeping the playing staff on his side. At least Roberts and Benjani give him 100% and stick by their manager thus guarantee'ing a first team place, so will £400,000 Kenny 4 goals a season Miller when he signs up. OI KEAN ROBERTS IS PANTS, YOUR BEST PLAYERS WANT OUT, its no wonder he hit the bottle. I'm still holding my breath waiting for transfer news and on Kean, the jury is still out.

The question is, would Jones be worth considerably more if we kept him for another season? Answer, YES.
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He would have another full season under his belt, possibly a full international cap etc etc. and be a player that is 'proven', so could step straight into the Champions League teams without doubt.
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It would also be better for Jones to dget that experience that at this stage of his career.
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PROBLEM is...what if he has a serious injury that knocks him backwards?
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The lad misses out on financial security and his dream move, the Rovers miss out on the big money.
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The answer therefore is that he will want to go and if he does, we will have to sell him.
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get us the best deal, Jerome, you have got the experience!!

Nolan is no, don't know where Sky got that one from.
Nothing new on any incomings as of yet however, club are pushing for the JJ deal. French Rover, Phil Jones will go and it won't be to whoever bids the highest £16 million and he can talk to Burnley if he chooses. Marquee signing that ain't happening for Venkys is Kaka.



All the big boys need to do is bid £16 million then it's up to the player.
With regards to Venkys putting in money it will be somewhere in the region of £5-10 million. The rest will be
generated through player sales. The big signing this summer Venkys would love is Kaka. Trust me that one ain't happening, he will be mov

We need to go out now and bid on Danns the Brummie CB as we could lose both Jones and Samba and end up with a poor replacement like Upson who is awful.
Can we rely on Kean to replace them with decent players this is the guy who still wants to sign our loanees from last season ?? How many goals did they score between them?

this is very unpassionate of the young lad, im very dissapionted in him

Sorry Mr Cryer but were is your eviedence of this clause? Have Blackburn or phil Jones comfirmed this. This could be all made up to sell papers!

midas wrote:
Where did this concept of a "selling" club come from? All players have their price, even Ronaldo! . £16m for potential (and profit!) is a fair price to have in a contract. . Did Kean negotiate his contract? isn't that what you have chief exec/chairman for?

bloody hell - can it be possible; I find myself in agreement with Midas... although I was expecting in the region of 20 mill for jonah.

jeppo wrote:
The question is, would Jones be worth considerably more if we kept him for another season? Answer, YES. . He would have another full season under his belt, possibly a full international cap etc etc. and be a player that is 'proven', so could step straight into the Champions League teams without doubt. . It would also be better for Jones to dget that experience that at this stage of his career. . PROBLEM is...what if he has a serious injury that knocks him backwards? . The lad misses out on financial security and his dream move, the Rovers miss out on the big money. . The answer therefore is that he will want to go and if he does, we will have to sell him. . get us the best deal, Jerome, you have got the experience!!

Jones would be worth more...but we would still only get £16m in 12months time.

We can only hope for a sale to United and an instant 12month loan back...but with the player wanting out that is highly unlikely.

BB24 are you saying that Kaka was close to/considered signing back in Jan?

apitt100 wrote:
Sorry Mr Cryer but were is your eviedence of this clause? Have Blackburn or phil Jones comfirmed this. This could be all made up to sell papers!

Neither myself or Mr Cryer can give you proof. However, we both have very reliable sources within the football world.
Mr Cryer was aware of the story and I knew of it a couple of days ago. However, I knew that the nationals were going to run the story today therefore, I decided to post it on here last night.
Sorry about the previous post don't know what happened there.
Phil Jones £16 million and he's gone.
Jermaine Jones is a possibility and the club are working hard.
Diouf the loanee Kean wants him and RSC.
Venkys transfer budget £5-10 million plus a possible marquee signing.
The substantial transfer budget includes funds generated by player sales.
Kevin Nolan is a no at this moment in time, especially if we get JJ.
The marquee signing that isn't going to happen is Kaka.

Am i missing something here? How is Jones having a 16m clause in his contract any fault of Venky's / Kean? Would THEY have asked for this?? Err no! Mr Jones and his advisors have engineered this move, improving his wages and ensuring that Rovers get some money for him without pricing him out of a move this summer!! If you want to blame anyone then blame Jones!

As long as they get the 16m added to the 10m already available then we will be able to make significant in roads AND hopefully hold on to Samba!

Get off their backs!! The proof will come at the end of the transfer window!!

Like i stated last week, Jones is a Rovers supporter but his ambition is to play for Man Utd infront of 75,000 sellouts every other week and win silverware. You can't begrudge anybody for wanting that. At the end of the day, £16 million is an excellent return for a lad who as come through the academy.Rovers will always be a small town, stepping stone club from the suburbs who will always have to sell their best assets eventually, just to survive and will continually be easy pickings for the big city clubs who will always be a bigger attraction and opportunity.The Jack Walker era was a one off opportunity at our small but proud club and i enjoyed it while it lasted. But now normality as resumed and the sooner supporters in their twenties start realising it, the better. At the end of the day,Rovers are giving ST's away at £225 and still can't sell more than 15-16,000.That's a small club,fact.The only consolation for us all is that our arch-rivals Burnley, are even smaller and are a lot further down the status pecking order.

This is not quite from the horses mouth but it's not from it's arse either.
Phil Jones wants to leave to further his ambitions.
Without some release agreement he would not have signed.
Prefered choice Man U,second choice Liverpool.
Let's all drop the idea that VENKYS are going to investvast sums of money,if they re invest all incoming funds and we have someone in place to spend it wisely.

Hopefully Man Utd meet the 16million asking price and then like a previous poster stated loan him back to us for the 2011 - 2012 season, this would then give us time to see if the lad Hanley is going to make the grade or find a suitable replacement. BB24 any news on Seb Larsson - is he a potential signing and with you keep stressing about Kaka not being a marquee signing are you expecting this story to be run by the national press?

Gob wrote:

jeppo wrote:
The question is, would Jones be worth considerably more if we kept him for another season? Answer, YES. . He would have another full season under his belt, possibly a full international cap etc etc. and be a player that is 'proven', so could step straight into the Champions League teams without doubt. . It would also be better for Jones to dget that experience that at this stage of his career. . PROBLEM is...what if he has a serious injury that knocks him backwards? . The lad misses out on financial security and his dream move, the Rovers miss out on the big money. . The answer therefore is that he will want to go and if he does, we will have to sell him. . get us the best deal, Jerome, you have got the experience!!

Jones would be worth more...but we would still only get £16m in 12months time.

We can only hope for a sale to United and an instant 12month loan back...but with the player wanting out that is highly unlikely.

BB24 are you saying that Kaka was close to/considered signing back in Jan?

We were not close to signing any marquee player in January. Kaka is the player who Venkys want, will they get him fat chance.
People need to stop blaming the owners for the Phil Jones get out clause. It was that or he'd have walked once his contract run out. All Rovers would have got was compensation because of his age.
You can't blame a player for being ambitious however, in this case the Jones family are thinking about número Uno.

Germany forward Miroslav Klose is available on a bosman at the end of the month.....what you reckon worth a punt?

Just the sort of thing that needed to be made public, great one. =/

Another very sad day as a BRFC supporter. I'd hoped the club would stick to it's word "we are not a selling club" was the statement.... yet clearly we are. Yet more lies, lies and more lies. Once you start putting clauses like this into contracts, you are a selling club - period. Without the clause, we'd be hoping for £20m+.
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The sad part is this info must have been leaked to the press by one of 2 parties - either Jones' agent (is it Kentaro??) OR Venkys who maybe need the money but want to save face and blame the boy - how convenient that would be for the Indians (maybe kentaro are brokering this deal and promised this income to Venkys before they bought BRFC with a big offer turned down last summer)!! Either way, Jones will go, and with an idiot like Kean in charge and a big pay cheque, who can blame him!!
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Someone posted saying as a Rovers fan, Jones would be a traitor if he left for another club. Really?? Footballers are mercenaries full stop - it's all about the pay packet, not the club or the fans. The days of Nat Lofthouse, Brian Douglas et al is long since gone I'm afraid.
. Finally, with a no-mark moron like Kean in charge, what decent player of a right mind will come to Rovers?? The bulk of PL clubs have respected managers in charge - I think Kean and thus unfortunaetly BRFC will be bottom of any decent player's list.

The issue is not who is to blame for this, of course that is down to the agents. The issue is why can we not inspire a 19 year old kid, with his whole career ahead of him, to give the club he supports at least another year if not two. Surely if Kean/Venky's had a plan, a set of transfer targets to excite and a clear vision of taking Rovers forward, Jones might want to have a helping hand in this at least. Man Utd, Liverpool etc would not go away, and him playing to his potential, learning more and improving would only increase his stock. I don't see how he will improve sitting on a subs bench week in week out. It's a shame that the vultures are allowed to just come in a basically pinch the future stars.

Dr.alan79 wrote:
The issue is not who is to blame for this, of course that is down to the agents. The issue is why can we not inspire a 19 year old kid, with his whole career ahead of him, to give the club he supports at least another year if not two. Surely if Kean/Venky's had a plan, a set of transfer targets to excite and a clear vision of taking Rovers forward, Jones might want to have a helping hand in this at least. Man Utd, Liverpool etc would not go away, and him playing to his potential, learning more and improving would only increase his stock. I don't see how he will improve sitting on a subs bench week in week out. It's a shame that the vultures are allowed to just come in a basically pinch the future stars.

Whatever plans Venky's/Kean have, they will not match those of Man Utd, Arsenal, and Liverpool. We simply don't have the resources to match those clubs' ambitions. We might have owners who are willing to put money in, but it's all their money - the club generates next-to-nothing from ticket sales, whereas Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool regularly sell-out their grounds charging twice as much as us (or more). That means they can supplement their outlay with money generated from ticket sales and merchandise, or use it to recoup some of that outlay. We don't have that luxury.
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For those blaming Kean and/or Venky's, remember that even Jack Walker couldn't stop Shearer leaving. At the end of the day, if a player wants to move he will move. Had Jones not signed the new deal, which he may not have done had their been no release-clause (if it exists), we would risk him running his contract down and leaving for a pittance when it expired.
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While the contract may have set what we may consider a low value for the player, it does send a message to clubs that this is what it will take to get him. It will hopefully prevent all the back-and-forth rubbish that could go on with Wenger bidding 8m, then 9m, etc. trying to unsettle him. If you want him, this is the price. The length of the contract means we don't have to sell for a penny less, and Jones cannot complain about it because he agreed to the clause in the first place (again, if it exists).

See if anyone can spot the recurring theme...
Alan Shearer -15mil
Chris Sutton - £10m
Damien Duff - £17m
Steve Warnock -£6m
David Bentley - 15m (with 50% to Arsenal)
Roque Santa Cruz - £17m
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The people who do the contract negotiating at Blackburn make me sick...the release clauses on the above deals have undoubtably made the club an exceptional amount of money over the years but does anyone else know of any team other than those in Spain that have had so many players with clauses in their contracts??!
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Release clauses are primarily used for two reasons...(1) to deter other clubs from bidding on a player (2) to seek the maximum possible value for a player at typical 10% over his market value. Look at Messi for example...has a £220m release clause in his contract where as Kun Aguero has a £40m release clause...you obviously seek to get the maximum for a player...football is a business and players are merely commodities. Whoever set the fee at £16m for Jones really needs to be shot...those of you who are quoting £25m need to be realistic...he worth £20m max..but that's £4m we missing out on...that's easily one good player right there...I'am genuinely horrified by who sets out these contracts and Craig Bellamy is my point personified...when we signed him he insisted on a £5m release clause in his deal...we lost out on potentially £5m on a player who was on the top of his game just because we didn't negotiate throughly at the time of signing him
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I don't fall for this horse manure that he wouldn't sign if it wasn't included...THEN DONT SIGN HIM! What's the point in buying a player when as soon as he does well he's off??? It makes me sick that we just a recycling plant for footballers...as for Jones I'm shocked how a Blackburn lad and fan would insert such a low clause in his deal?? Surely he would want the best for his club??? What's wrong with £20m or £22m?? Not like Man U or Arsenal gona not sign you over £4m!!! But to us that extra £4m makes the world of difference! Shame on you Jones...get yourself better representation BOY
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And ppl pls stop recycling stories they read in the papers or BBC gossip column and pretend they the oracle on Blackburn's transfers or have inside knowledge?? If you do state your sources or shut up...I can tell you we linked to 10 times the players I read on here simply cos I read papers and the net don't make me a conissuier on transfers...personal
ly I hope there is no £16m clause..it was an article run by The Sun and we all now how much proverbial and nonsensical drivel they write...why is this the first we hearing of it? Is no one other than me surprised Mr 'cut and paste' Cryer suddenly runs the same story?? Why are there no quotes in both articles??! Not saying it not true just disappointed in Jones AND Rovers if it is

MJ Rover wrote:

Dr.alan79 wrote:
The issue is not who is to blame for this, of course that is down to the agents. The issue is why can we not inspire a 19 year old kid, with his whole career ahead of him, to give the club he supports at least another year if not two. Surely if Kean/Venky's had a plan, a set of transfer targets to excite and a clear vision of taking Rovers forward, Jones might want to have a helping hand in this at least. Man Utd, Liverpool etc would not go away, and him playing to his potential, learning more and improving would only increase his stock. I don't see how he will improve sitting on a subs bench week in week out. It's a shame that the vultures are allowed to just come in a basically pinch the future stars.

Whatever plans Venky's/Kean have, they will not match those of Man Utd, Arsenal, and Liverpool. We simply don't have the resources to match those clubs' ambitions. We might have owners who are willing to put money in, but it's all their money - the club generates next-to-nothing from ticket sales, whereas Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool regularly sell-out their grounds charging twice as much as us (or more). That means they can supplement their outlay with money generated from ticket sales and merchandise, or use it to recoup some of that outlay. We don't have that luxury.
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For those blaming Kean and/or Venky's, remember that even Jack Walker couldn't stop Shearer leaving. At the end of the day, if a player wants to move he will move. Had Jones not signed the new deal, which he may not have done had their been no release-clause (if it exists), we would risk him running his contract down and leaving for a pittance when it expired.
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While the contract may have set what we may consider a low value for the player, it does send a message to clubs that this is what it will take to get him. It will hopefully prevent all the back-and-forth rubbish that could go on with Wenger bidding 8m, then 9m, etc. trying to unsettle him. If you want him, this is the price. The length of the contract means we don't have to sell for a penny less, and Jones cannot complain about it because he agreed to the clause in the first place (again, if it exists).

Of course we can't match The top 4 or 5, that goes without saying. That is certainly not my dispute. Phil Jones is 19, a local lad and a Rovers fan. And yes of course he is ambitious, and massive clubs will turn his head, but he hasn't proved himself yet. Shearer was a lifelong Newcastle fan, in his mid twenties and had already scored around 150 goals. Jones has barely played 50 games. His future would be better served staying here for 1-2 years at least, learning from a first class manager. We haven't got that. I am not interested in the players playing for Kean, and so on. As much as people want to give the guy a chance (not me), he just isn't the man to build a team, and keep our better players. A renowned manager, a target list and a real vision could and should inspire any player at a club like ours. Especially a fan, is one year really too much to ask?

ths all seems fairly simple to me, (A) steve kean isnt to blam he dosnt negotiate contracts for players or for the club (B) the people that do were People like john williams and tom finn...both of whom have left the club and both of whom the majority of posters on here would have had carried shoulder high round town as recognition to the sterling work they havedone for us..many of you calling them "true legends and heroes"...(C) perhaps most eye catching piece of this story though..phil jones has apparently stated he wants to listen to other clubs..so in keeping with modern football he has chosen to turn his back on the club that gave him his chance to prosper and shine and as a result rewarded him with a lucrative new contract...and unfortunatly there is only one person responsible for inserting that clause..and that is the agent/manager of phil jones, so like all the others who have said they dont want to play for us or in this case want to "listen to other clubs" i will say thanks phill and goodbye because i dont care how goos you are or could be if you dont wanna be here then good bye

Bb24 wrote:

Gob wrote:

jeppo wrote:
The question is, would Jones be worth considerably more if we kept him for another season? Answer, YES. . He would have another full season under his belt, possibly a full international cap etc etc. and be a player that is 'proven', so could step straight into the Champions League teams without doubt. . It would also be better for Jones to dget that experience that at this stage of his career. . PROBLEM is...what if he has a serious injury that knocks him backwards? . The lad misses out on financial security and his dream move, the Rovers miss out on the big money. . The answer therefore is that he will want to go and if he does, we will have to sell him. . get us the best deal, Jerome, you have got the experience!!

Jones would be worth more...but we would still only get £16m in 12months time.

We can only hope for a sale to United and an instant 12month loan back...but with the player wanting out that is highly unlikely.

BB24 are you saying that Kaka was close to/considered signing back in Jan?

We were not close to signing any marquee player in January. Kaka is the player who Venkys want, will they get him fat chance.
People need to stop blaming the owners for the Phil Jones get out clause. It was that or he'd have walked once his contract run out. All Rovers would have got was compensation because of his age.
You can't blame a player for being ambitious however, in this case the Jones family are thinking about número Uno.

Good post Bb24 that should help remind people that the owners are not to blame for this. In fact should any 'blame' be attached to anyone?

I dont think so. The lad has ambitions that stretch much further than anything the Rovers can offer right now. Might be different ina couple of years time but right now who in football today wouldn't want to go to a top 4 club if they came calling. Good luck to him, I hope he makes the right move and that his career works out well for him. Will be nice to say he started his carrer at Ewood and we helped develop a great talent. If Venkys do put in say 5-10 Million plus say half of the Jones monies then it (15-18 million pounds) is a reasonably decent transfer budget that we will have to spend. We just have to spend it wisely!

When Phil Jones leaves - and he will - I just hope someone at Rovers has the good sense to INSIST on a hefty sell on clause as part of the deal. I would suggest Rovers should be entitled to maybe 50% of any profit made on the lad. After all, if someone gets Jones for £16M, they are getting a bargain, and he should be worth at least double that in a couple of years.

I used to like pre-season. Recently it just causes me great pain. A so-called 'local lad' my arse. Pathetic from all accounts.

He will go to liverpool, and it serves the club right, what a disgrace that they should allow a buy out clause in his contract, one of the best talents we have produced EVER and this is how the club do things, we deserve all we get, and all that donut has done is announce that bids here bids there have been made, it was done as to alert other clubs to the clause so we can get this kitty he is on about, not from the chicken pluckers but from SELLING our best talent YET again...... RTID, but my belief is dwindling by the second !!!!

It hasn't taken long for the euphoria of avoiding relegation to be forgotten! Bb24 has a good track record on Rovers issues. A serious lack of ambition in this story suggests that the owners are going to settle for mediocrity. This kind of story will certainly put a dent in season ticket sales hopes. DEPRESSING!!

Stone Island wrote:
When Phil Jones leaves - and he will - I just hope someone at Rovers has the good sense to INSIST on a hefty sell on clause as part of the deal. I would suggest Rovers should be entitled to maybe 50% of any profit made on the lad. After all, if someone gets Jones for £16M, they are getting a bargain, and he should be worth at least double that in a couple of years.

It all depends on what is written in the contract. If it says 16m, then Rovers don't have any room for negotiating above that amount. All they could maybe do is ask the buying club to give us, say, 14m and a 30% sell-on clause. I don't think any club would give us 50%, especially given that they would be spend a large amount of money on the transfer fee. Hopefully there is something in the clause that also mandates future payments above and beyond the 16m, based on appearances/internat
ional caps, and/or future sale.

I don't like Kean's ambition to buy M Diouf and Crocky. JJ will be OK at the right price but it sounds like he will be expensive. Hope not. Kaka is a joke, but perhaps that's Venkys and not Kean.
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As others have said, Kean can't inspire Jones to stay and I can't see Samba staying, possibly even Hoilett and Olsson too, if Kean's ambition is just to sign those bench-warmers.

Phil Jone is out of order if he goes this summer as the club gave him a better contract while he was injured as a thankyou for his performances. What would Jones be doing if his injury kept him out for season? he would be happy collecting his bumper pay from rovers and looking forward to new season playing for us.
I also think he is a bit overated as when he has played midfield he has been average, people are only raving about him as he a young englishman, if he was young danish player breaking into the team he would only get a fraction of the reviews.

If Mark Hughes becomes manager very soon, we might stand a chance of Jones not going. Hughes knows the difference between good and bad strikers, how to play entertaining football and how to inspire players. I think it would be enough to keep the young stars here another season at least.

Keith Andrews scores against Italy :)
Worried if he got a release fee in his contract too now!!

Like everyone else I'll be sad to see Jones go, I really wanted another season from him at Ewood, purely to watch his development and ENJOY that aspect. But it was never a case of IF he goes but WHEN he goes.
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Don't give Jones a hard time. What would you do in his situation?
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He has fantastic potential. His debut was the best I've ever, ever seen from a blue. He could possibly be ...... awesome... let's leave it at that!
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I'm gutted that he might leave, it's almost like being relegated, I feel so sad about it.
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BUT, we have to be bigger than this. We follow the shirt, the badge, that's us ... Rovers fans... what's the option? Follow the glory hunters?
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Not in my lifetime!
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Onwards and upwards.

Bb24 wrote:

apitt100 wrote:
Sorry Mr Cryer but were is your eviedence of this clause? Have Blackburn or phil Jones comfirmed this. This could be all made up to sell papers!

Neither myself or Mr Cryer can give you proof. However, we both have very reliable sources within the football world.
Mr Cryer was aware of the story and I knew of it a couple of days ago. However, I knew that the nationals were going to run the story today therefore, I decided to post it on here last night.
Sorry about the previous post don't know what happened there.
Phil Jones £16 million and he's gone.
Jermaine Jones is a possibility and the club are working hard.
Diouf the loanee Kean wants him and RSC.
Venkys transfer budget £5-10 million plus a possible marquee signing.
The substantial transfer budget includes funds generated by player sales.
Kevin Nolan is a no at this moment in time, especially if we get JJ.
The marquee signing that isn't going to happen is Kaka.

Kevin '12 goals a season' Nolan would be far more preferable than Jermaine 'No Goals No assists' Jones any day of the week!
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MB Diouf - Is that really what we are aiming for... A championship player at best!

I think pj will opt to stay in the north, due to the fact he still live's with his parent's, and it's more successful here in the north west of England. I hope he stays for at least one more season. But our past says it all. Wotever he decides to do I hope he will be successful. At the end of the day first and formost phil is a rovers fan and good luck to him.

Bb24 wrote:

Gob wrote:

jeppo wrote:
The question is, would Jones be worth considerably more if we kept him for another season? Answer, YES. . He would have another full season under his belt, possibly a full international cap etc etc. and be a player that is 'proven', so could step straight into the Champions League teams without doubt. . It would also be better for Jones to dget that experience that at this stage of his career. . PROBLEM is...what if he has a serious injury that knocks him backwards? . The lad misses out on financial security and his dream move, the Rovers miss out on the big money. . The answer therefore is that he will want to go and if he does, we will have to sell him. . get us the best deal, Jerome, you have got the experience!!

Jones would be worth more...but we would still only get £16m in 12months time.

We can only hope for a sale to United and an instant 12month loan back...but with the player wanting out that is highly unlikely.

BB24 are you saying that Kaka was close to/considered signing back in Jan?

We were not close to signing any marquee player in January. Kaka is the player who Venkys want, will they get him fat chance.
People need to stop blaming the owners for the Phil Jones get out clause. It was that or he'd have walked once his contract run out. All Rovers would have got was compensation because of his age.
You can't blame a player for being ambitious however, in this case the Jones family are thinking about número Uno.

How about Samba BB24 how much does Wenger have to bid to get him, any idea?
I presume his new contract just signed will now have a release clause.

jogalot wrote:
If Mark Hughes becomes manager very soon, we might stand a chance of Jones not going. Hughes knows the difference between good and bad strikers, how to play entertaining football and how to inspire players. I think it would be enough to keep the young stars here another season at least.

Hughes knows so much about good strikers that he paid Rovers 17.5m to buy Roque Santa Cruz!!

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His best deal ever for Rovers came after he deserted us for City-

Billypieman wrote:
Jones, Samba and Hoilett could be out the door for around £30m plus. We are linked with the likes of Miller and Riordan. After the promise of transfer funds Venkys look like they might turn a profit this summer.

yes I recall we were told we were going to get BOYD and GIOVANI..
Hope we get rid of Kean and get someone who can spend that money wisely who players might play for and understands the tactics of the game..

BB24, your info seems quite reliable after earlier posts on here, but whilst everyone is going on about players, please tell me If Venkies are keeping Kean as manager, or as Frenchrover say's, McClaren is on his way, or do you have info of any other manager taking up the post, that may just have the pulling power and the attitude to keep players on side a little longer?

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oh my lord! if it's not drivel about venky's conspiracy or kean as a yes-man, it's now that they have somehow practically given away jones! please, please, please can we have some realism in the debate.
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firstly, £16m is not a inconsiderable amount of money. we think he could be worth more ultimately, but it's not like he would walk into the first team of mot of the top teams (arsenal being the exception).
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strangely, none of you questioning the club over the release clause are pointing the finger of blame towards the player or his representatives. it would have been the player/agent who put that on the table, not the club. it would have been the club who would have reluctantly accepted that figure. the alternative is saying no to the clause and failing to agree terms. we would therefore be more likely to see jones leaving for less.
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and for those somehow blaming kean for this... well, that doesn't even require comment.
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there is a chance jones could opt to stay, given the situation and his affinity for the rovers. it's unlikely, but still a chance. if he goes, it's a reasonable price which through statements made by venky's we can assume a significant chunk would go into a replacement. we also have some decent replacements in the youth system to consider too. NOT A DISASTER!

No, we would get way more for him if this stupid release clause wasn't there! Before the extension was negotiated, the guy had a contract with us until 2015, a contract that did not have a release clause in it apparently. With this contract being the base for the negotiations with other clubs, we would have been able to dictate the price. £16m is NOT a good price for a player that is worth at least £20-25m, doesn't matter if he has come through the academy or wherever he's come from. Somebody has done a REALLY, REALLY poor job here. We are definitely going to lose our biggest star, and one of the biggest English talent for decades, and it will happen THIS summer. It is really sad, our proud club is being run by complete morons, and then we got some new owners, morons too, perfect match! Still no sign of 'the very healthy' transfer budget.......maybe they should try to use that 'very healthy budget' to try and keep Jones here, instead of trying to sign useless players like Benjani, Santa and Mame Diouf.

I hope we dont accept Diouf in px for Jones off Man U as he is not good enough.We need Nani at least or even Owen but that is unlikely.We cannot even attract Larsson a journeyman player so what chance have we of getting star players unless we have a top manager who is fully respected in the football world?

Phil Jones is going to Man Utd, the very healthy spending budget is 5 million plus any money raised from transfers,that's it. We are on the slippy slope and if any money is given to that drunken buffoon Kean to spend we are in the sh1te.

wankys are a joke and jones is not a rovers fan. If any rovers fan became a player he would like to play for his boyhood club and jones has only played 1 season in hi career with his injuries.
at least play for us for 3 to 4 years before he goes at least then he could look back at his career and say he played for rovers.
we are not an ambitious club if we are selling players wankys are liars and so is that kean.
When shearer left for newcastle it was his boyhood club and not a club that won silverware.
So if this jones is a rovers fan stick around till his 24 then do 1.
as for loaning him back to us no he would not be welcomed back go now you traitor and mark my words his career will go downhill when he leaves

Kean is very tight with the owners, unsackable as they say PJ is not having
A medical at Liverpool this morning as it
Is being claimed. Nobody has reached the magical £16 million figure just yet.
Every single penny from the player sales will be given to the manager to spend according to Venkys.
Finally when the exit clause was put into the contract in January, ask yourselves who the chairman was, Mr John Williams.

Manchester United are more than Interested in the boy. Fergie reckons he can get him for less than £16 million.

Bb24 wrote:
Manchester United are more than Interested in the boy. Fergie reckons he can get him for less than £16 million.

What to play in the reserves behind Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, O'Shay and Smalling for 3 years like most Manky Utd youngsters?
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Phil - Play for your boyhood club for a few years or you will always regret it. You will get many more games in the first team so sign a new contract with a £25m clause and you will develop faster and protect the club you love with a decent fee when you are England's center half in 2 or 3 years and may need to move - unless we are in teh champions League by then - Venky's?

He is at united having a medical according to skysports...

Samba is next and then we are in big trouble at the back...

just been told off a manc phil jones is having a medical at old trafford....

beat you to it Bulldog :-)

Makasp wrote:
beat you to it Bulldog :-)

Told you he was going at 9.38 this morning:-)