Council tax increase could be offered to fund more Lancashire gritting (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I am the 1 in 10 to pay poll tax round here. dont let the non-payers vote!!!!

do the clowns on the council really believe for 1 second that the people of pendle are so stupid as to believe that crap!!!is it to pay for the ampetheatre or the giant shuttle or to throw more money on a ghost town,,,

What are the figures? Is an extra fiver or tenner on your council tax bill really too much? Is that not worth being able to get to work on time? A tenner is less than two hour's pay on minimum wage -which in most cases will probably pay for itself easily if it means you're not late for work.

Its easy to say that councils should provide enough salt but surely they have to draw the line somewhere because of cost. They started with stock 35% more than last year and that seems reasonable to me. Perhaps they should have 200%, 500% or more but the simple fact is that costs money and needs to be paid for. As happycyclist says, for a few extra quid from everyone we can get the job sorted! No doubt if next winter huge supplies are stockpiled and it does not snow the council will be blamed for wasting money!

By the way joesoap, you are not part of the 1 in 10 paying polltax, you are 1 in 1!

Don't mention 'Poll-Tax' frig sake ! The Condems will try un bring that back !

And here we go and the real reason for this charade over the last two years...they want more dosh!
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How we react to this begging tactic will indeed set a precedent for the future begging by the state. I want a full breakdown and paper trail as to how every penny of my council tax and tax in general is spent. it is obvious the state as it is is a failed state, but it is not the Constitutional state that has failed, it is the corporate state that has failed.
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The answer to this must not be the same as that made on our behalf by a corporate puppet government, the New Labour fascism, by the New Coalition fascism, and get the taxpayer to bailout their failure, it has not brought that which was promised.
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We lent the banks credit to then not lend to us at interest, that is a failure of tremendous proportions, let us not go there again.
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What we need is an end to the failed corporate government and crown and we set things back as they were when our tax remained in the economy instead of being sucked out by the corporate subcontractor-provid
ers...they are not providing they are removing services...not fit for purpose.
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We re-nationalise the basic services this nation uses, gas, electric, rail, telecoms, water, food production, given our farmers, (Masonic farmers) are sat on their backsides while taking massive subsidies from Europe to not farm. The supermarket grows
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Let us look at the times when the nation did work, and take from that the basic structure then re-implement such, not under Acts of Parliament, but as a nation to be formed as part of our new constitution.
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I would take this opportunity to wish a Merry Christmas to all who post on this forum, whatever your thoughts of the information I bring, as I give the same sentiments to all the staff at the LT for putting up with the same, well done to you, but.....
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Next year is not going to be happy if the current state of play continues, so I will offer not this sentiment, I will state the following :
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For a happy new year in 2012, then we as a nation of Englishmen, Scottish men, Irishmen and Welshmen, must do some serious thinking over this season with the shift to act in the proper manner during 2011 to demand the elected representatives we pay for and give our trust, had better begin to remember what this country is all about and what office they hold, they are not placed in our Parliament to Kow Tow to corporate demands, they are there to administer the tax retinue we give to make the country work, period. We are paying our constitutional system to act under its mandate, it is the job of the civil servants to then ensure the constitution is upheld and stop any such deviation in this regard.
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We need each other, the civil servants require our energy to then uphold the constitution, we need our system to give us that very conclusion.
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It takes a will to change what is, it takes courage to implement that will, I hold both, what exactly do you hold?
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Great Britain is a great nation, the United Kingdom is a failure, let us set to removing the United kingdom, and mean it....

Lifeinthemix wrote:
And here we go and the real reason for this charade over the last two years...they want more dosh! . How we react to this begging tactic will indeed set a precedent for the future begging by the state. I want a full breakdown and paper trail as to how every penny of my council tax and tax in general is spent. it is obvious the state as it is is a failed state, but it is not the Constitutional state that has failed, it is the corporate state that has failed. . The answer to this must not be the same as that made on our behalf by a corporate puppet government, the New Labour fascism, by the New Coalition fascism, and get the taxpayer to bailout their failure, it has not brought that which was promised. . We lent the banks credit to then not lend to us at interest, that is a failure of tremendous proportions, let us not go there again. . What we need is an end to the failed corporate government and crown and we set things back as they were when our tax remained in the economy instead of being sucked out by the corporate subcontractor-provid ers...they are not providing they are removing services...not fit for purpose. . We re-nationalise the basic services this nation uses, gas, electric, rail, telecoms, water, food production, given our farmers, (Masonic farmers) are sat on their backsides while taking massive subsidies from Europe to not farm. The supermarket grows . Let us look at the times when the nation did work, and take from that the basic structure then re-implement such, not under Acts of Parliament, but as a nation to be formed as part of our new constitution. . I would take this opportunity to wish a Merry Christmas to all who post on this forum, whatever your thoughts of the information I bring, as I give the same sentiments to all the staff at the LT for putting up with the same, well done to you, but..... . Next year is not going to be happy if the current state of play continues, so I will offer not this sentiment, I will state the following : . For a happy new year in 2012, then we as a nation of Englishmen, Scottish men, Irishmen and Welshmen, must do some serious thinking over this season with the shift to act in the proper manner during 2011 to demand the elected representatives we pay for and give our trust, had better begin to remember what this country is all about and what office they hold, they are not placed in our Parliament to Kow Tow to corporate demands, they are there to administer the tax retinue we give to make the country work, period. We are paying our constitutional system to act under its mandate, it is the job of the civil servants to then ensure the constitution is upheld and stop any such deviation in this regard. . We need each other, the civil servants require our energy to then uphold the constitution, we need our system to give us that very conclusion. . It takes a will to change what is, it takes courage to implement that will, I hold both, what exactly do you hold? . Great Britain is a great nation, the United Kingdom is a failure, let us set to removing the United kingdom, and mean it....

Sean for PM !!! Well said brother and A Merry Christmas to you too :))

Great Britain is indeed a great nation, sadly it is over run by armchair critics who sit and do nothing but rant and rave about how everything is somebody elses fault. Rather than chipping in an getting the roads safe, some would rather sit and examine endless paper trails hoping to find something that makes them feel a little bit more superior. You want a great nation? stop prattling on and go outside and clear some ice.

wazoo
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well my good man their is no snow on the pavement or indeed the road in front of my home, I shifted the lot the day it came down, and will do so the next time and the next...

Glad to hear it, actions speak louder than words don't they.

always

How about a decrease in overseas aid to fund gritting ?.

Markr wrote:
How about a decrease in overseas aid to fund gritting ?.

Oh yes, starving and dying children can wait, I've been inconvenienced for a couple of weeks.

Children are starving in the third world because of the rise of the supermarkets.
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During the 1970's there were the African famines which if you are of the age will remember, were made so as the corporations moved people off the land and herded into camps in order the land could grow for the supermarkets agenda.
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In so doing we now have the situation whereby farmers here are subsidised not to grow. Under such a scenario we are at the mercy of global financial considerations as to how much our food is to cost, this will have more of a bite when in January VAT moves to 20%, and the continued devaluation of our currency
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If we addressed these issues then people would not starve in the third world, and remove the need for overseas aid...win win everybody, save for the fascist corporations, and we can afford grit again .
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Picture the knock on effects of this train of thought and action.

I have no problems with the roads just as they are now, so I won't be paying any extra, thankyouverymuch.

a BIG NO INCREASE VOTE from me. No matter how small an annual inflation rate is the LCC always seem to quadruple the percentage rise for each annual Council Tax demand. From their costly colourful newspaper it can be seen they like to spend money on presentations to pat themselves on the back just for doing a well paid job! And after hearing stories told by farmers with snowploughs about delays in paperwork preventing their clearing the roads I think LCC should be fined or give us a refund!

Why dont the council stop sending gritters out to pretend to grit. (wasting wages/fuel)

I've seen a couple of gritters driving about with their orange lights flashing away and no grit coming out of the spreaders

Get your priorities right and marshal resources accordingly. We pay for gritting already, do it right, the councils did this in the 70's & 80's and even managed to do the side roads in equivalent conditions. Get your act together!!!!
If you want to get more money stop councilors allowances and pension payments

Just who is kidding who here. It used to be that if you were behind a gritter or passing one you got grit fired at your car. Noe by some miracle the gritt does not even hit your car. I think this is because very little grit is being spread by the gritters. We are being fooled yet again. How dare they suggest a surcharge for extra gitting in future. No chance of a yes from me. I still don't know why until recently my council tax has increased year in year out whilst council services have dimninished just as fast. Please stop treating us like idiots and get on with the job of clearing our roads. Able boddied people should be obliged to clear the snow in front of their own property. This may encourage them to help each other

If they would grit my st then i would pay but.................
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....seeing that its not a main route and does not get gritted does that mean i get some money back?

wilddog wrote:
If they would grit my st then i would pay but.................

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....seeing that its not a main route and does not get gritted does that mean i get some money back?

You don't use the main routes then?

what a p_ss take....is this a joke?????its got to be a sick joke........

last year,we sold 1/2 of our allocation to manchester airport....do we get any cash back from that???or is it in councillers back sacks....

Markr wrote:
How about a decrease in overseas aid to fund gritting ?.

spot on pal....only folk in favour of massive overseas aid are either scrounging students or the mega rich,its a fact............

if there was a check on how overseas aid was spent we could have stopped paying it 20 years ago 45 billion to africa alone over the last 40 years to buy tanks guns palaces for the dictators etc and yes wazoo is a wannabe gov mouthpiece or just a complete ****,

ROBERTSLUMDWELLER wrote:
if there was a check on how overseas aid was spent we could have stopped paying it 20 years ago 45 billion to africa alone over the last 40 years to buy tanks guns palaces for the dictators etc and yes wazoo is a wannabe gov mouthpiece or just a complete ****,

spot on mate....the SKINT???ethiopia bought 12 mig fighter jets off russia 2 year ago for there civil war with Eritrea,that us mugs payed for...as for bono and geldoff,with there off shore bank accounts who pay minimal taxes,while all the students and labour fans bang on about helping others,there all a bit simple...we pay MEGA taxes,gritt our roads!!!!!!!

We give money to underdeveloped countries to help their poor people, I've no problem with this.
Unfortunately the aid money too often gets sidetracked by 'advisers', often from the donor country. This money often ends up by enriching big companies in rich countries who throw the money at unwanted projects which do nothing to help the indigenous population. Anything left over is used to increase the bank accounts of corrupt politicians who couldn't care less about the people they are supposed to represent.

Anything left over is used to increase the bank accounts of corrupt politicians who couldn't care less about the people they are supposed to represent.

Sounds Familiar LOL !

Lifeinthemix wrote:
Children are starving in the third world because of the rise of the supermarkets.
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During the 1970's there were the African famines which if you are of the age will remember, were made so as the corporations moved people off the land and herded into camps in order the land could grow for the supermarkets agenda.
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In so doing we now have the situation whereby farmers here are subsidised not to grow. Under such a scenario we are at the mercy of global financial considerations as to how much our food is to cost, this will have more of a bite when in January VAT moves to 20%, and the continued devaluation of our currency
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If we addressed these issues then people would not starve in the third world, and remove the need for overseas aid...win win everybody, save for the fascist corporations, and we can afford grit again .
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Picture the knock on effects of this train of thought and action.

That's got to be the most mental thing I've ever read on here. Taking into account some of the head-the-balls sometimes seen on here, that takes some Olympic standard head-the-ball-ness so you must feel so proud that you've excelled yourself in such company. Such fun.

The problem is not the cost of the salt and grit, that's cheap. Its the very expensive speading wagons and gritters that have to be purchased and then stored somewhere (safe) for 10 or 11 months a year while waiting for the 4 or 5 weeks a year they are needed. There is also the problem that salt and grit only works down to -5%, and the temperature has been a lot lower than that. Snow Blowers and ploughs are also very expensive bits of kit and whilst fantastic at shifting the stuff, do need clear roads to work on, not ones full of parked and abandoned cars like the streets around here have been with the recent snow and ice.

Perhaps the problem needs a more radical solution, like making car manufacturers provide snow chains as part of standard equipment on all new cars, then the Councils can concentrate on their core functions of education and social care, and use the money they would save from not buying all these big boys toys to keep my council tax down?

So perhaps we are all in agreement of the fact...the corporate United Kingdom in cutting services for more tax collection is indeed failing in the standard expected, therefore it is a failure. Statutes work for the corporations common law protects the people and constitutional state, the former built this nation the latter has destroyed it.
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here are the battle lines.

Lifeinthemix wrote:
So perhaps we are all in agreement of the fact...the corporate United Kingdom in cutting services for more tax collection is indeed failing in the standard expected, therefore it is a failure. Statutes work for the corporations common law protects the people and constitutional state, the former built this nation the latter has destroyed it.
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here are the battle lines.

The arrogance of the armchair critic! No we are not all in agreement. This thread is supposed to be about paying more to grit the roads in extreme weather, not spouting of cliched and naive rubbish picked up from wathcing too much gmtv.

Let me give an analogy that maybe you will understand-
You do your weekly shop but during the week you have guests and the food disappears quicker than you expected. If you go back to the supermarket should they give you more food for free?

Sorry Wazoo I forget to say I was speaking in terms of the intelligent people. Are you a bit lonely up there in the Lakes?

Lifeinthemix wrote:
Sorry Wazoo I forget to say I was speaking in terms of the intelligent people. Are you a bit lonely up there in the Lakes?

Not me. You're not speaking for me. I'd rather speak for myself, if that's alright with you and your God-given task to speak for others. Do that when we've elected you and not before.

Chris P Bacon wrote:

Lifeinthemix wrote:
Sorry Wazoo I forget to say I was speaking in terms of the intelligent people. Are you a bit lonely up there in the Lakes?

Not me. You're not speaking for me. I'd rather speak for myself, if that's alright with you and your God-given task to speak for others. Do that when we've elected you and not before.

people like lifeinthemix are too busy spouting nonsense to actually stop and think about what they are saying. None of it makes any sense in the real world but then they don't actually live in the real world. While they sit and whinge their bins are being emptied, the roads are being gritted and hospitals are looking after our sick. There are many things wrong with the UK but there are many more things we should be thankful for. The majority of people in the world have nothing, we are blessed in this Country but these whingers don't seem to realise it. Some of our roads are not being gritted- tough!

wazoo wrote:

Chris P Bacon wrote:

Lifeinthemix wrote:
Sorry Wazoo I forget to say I was speaking in terms of the intelligent people. Are you a bit lonely up there in the Lakes?

Not me. You're not speaking for me. I'd rather speak for myself, if that's alright with you and your God-given task to speak for others. Do that when we've elected you and not before.

people like lifeinthemix are too busy spouting nonsense to actually stop and think about what they are saying. None of it makes any sense in the real world but then they don't actually live in the real world. While they sit and whinge their bins are being emptied, the roads are being gritted and hospitals are looking after our sick. There are many things wrong with the UK but there are many more things we should be thankful for. The majority of people in the world have nothing, we are blessed in this Country but these whingers don't seem to realise it. Some of our roads are not being gritted- tough!

You're right there. He's a supercillious pillock of the worst kind around.

ahh bless, does that mean you two extremely well educated blokes love the UK and hold disdain for GB?
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Just disdain for you.
Ask Santa for a book on British History and make your New Years resolution to actually read it rather than assume you know it all.
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You love all this attention don't you!

the difference between us can be acertained in this little test :
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In my idea of what this country represents you have the right to express your abuse against me personally, it is called freedom, in your idea of what should be, this freedom is to be removed.
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If we look at history as you are claiming to be knowledgeable in, then my idea is to be found in the western freedom, whereas yours is to be found in Stalinist Russia and the China under Mao.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica is not a valid historical reference, it is a propaganda script, may I suggest you broaden your historical references which would give you the balance you need.
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The difference between us can be ascertained in this little test :
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In my idea of what this country represents you have the right to express your abuse against me personally, it is called freedom, in your idea of what should be, this freedom is to be removed.
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If we look at history as you are claiming to be knowledgeable in, then my idea is to be found in the western freedom, whereas yours is to be found in Stalinist Russia and the China under Mao.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica is not a valid historical reference, it is a propaganda script, may I suggest you broaden your historical references which would give you the balance you need.
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Perhaps we should let the readers determine which side of this little test you and I are on

I'm very interested to see how articulate you are when quoting what others have written, but when you need to find your own words you seem to struggle. This possibly explains why your posts are full of oft-quoted, cliched teachings and how your accusations bear no resemblance to reality (who mentioned encyclopeadia britannica, not me!). Arrogance and assumption ad infinitum

present one of those quotes of which all my information is based.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica covers the majority of widely available history, take a shufty at the Pearson's of Shell Mex House

What a supercillious pillock you continue to prove yourself to be!

You take it upon yourself to ascribe views to others they haven't shown any inclination to embrace. Why? Because you know you'll lose that argument if you don't. Heavily.

And then to ascribe the reading material to those who point out where and why you are wrong indicates just one thing; you can't see anything other than your own way and therefore, to you, everyone else's viewpoint must be simplified (or you have to accept defeat) to make you look good. It doesn't. There are more things in heaven and earth, lifeinthemix, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

And lastly, to deride anyone else's viewpoint as being that of a totalitarian communist regime...words fail me. You are a solid stone cretin. A pretentious, supercillious one at that.

Lifeinthemix wrote:
present one of those quotes of which all my information is based.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica covers the majority of widely available history, take a shufty at the Pearson's of Shell Mex House

Like I said, no original thoughts of your own.
And as Chris says, for you to compare my view point to that of the regimes you list is too ridiculous for words. I think you have been that busy copying statements from others you are getting confused as to who belongs where! You don't actually know what you think do you, are you saying Encyclopeadia Brittanica is good or bad because you are now making absolutley no sense whatsoever! i don't even know why you mentioned it in the first place as its seems that most of your information comes from wikipedia!
People like you love to spout regurgitated drivel assuming that everybody thinks its from your own heart, but you get muddled, confused and sulky when someone challenges it.

it is hard to engage people who cannot engage, what you term sulky is actually me trying to get you to engage with debate, you seem not to want to debate just throw insult.
propaganda is the script written by a side to excite the people into supporting their moves, you seem to be protecting a side, are you prepared to share what it is you are protecting which prevents you from debating, I use the term protect rather than support because you offer nothing but personal attacks.

Just as I thought, you cannot think of anything tangiable to back up your earlier rhetoric so are now resorting to desperation. Obviously I can't simply be disagreeing with you and not falling for your copy/paste nonsense, I must be part of some great conspiracy! I get the feeling your earlier energetic spoutings are running out quickly. Face it, not everyone falls for your (sorry, somebody else's) claptrap. merry xmas!

no bud you are just thick

this thread went awol,17 posts ago....we dont want to pay extra in taxes,JUST CUT overseas aid....its that easy

RAyzer wrote:
this thread went awol,17 posts ago....we dont want to pay extra in taxes,JUST CUT overseas aid....its that easy

Who's this 'we' you refer to? Not me, that;s for damned sure. As a member of the wealthiest society in the entire history of the world, I, and many like me, want to give MUCH more than we currently do in overseas aid. There are people in some places with sickening and disgusting lifestyles and tragically short life-spans while people here are grossly obese and live in a society of free medicine and health-care. And you want to give LESS?

Get a grip, you sad, famine-minded buffoon.

I think Anfony has expanded his phonsy-ness by stalking as Crispbacon and wazzoo.....get a life little boy and stop aggravating the adults...

Lifeinthemix wrote:
I think Anfony has expanded his phonsy-ness by stalking as Crispbacon and wazzoo.....get a life little boy and stop aggravating the adults...

...because there cannot possibly be more than one person who finds your childlike, anti-establishment ramblings nauseating!
Still lacking any sort of erudition when using your own words I see!

Lifeinthemix wrote:
I think Anfony has expanded his phonsy-ness by stalking as Crispbacon and wazzoo.....get a life little boy and stop aggravating the adults...

I've got a good idea; lose the 'debate', look as stupid as a buffoon and then claim those that have bested you are one and the same person. Yes, we've seen your close-mindedness in your execrable rambling internet page and understand that you naturally can't stand being beaten so you resort to insults and finding excuses for your poor performance. I don't think you'll find any buyers for the trip you're on.

I was not aware that ole' lifeinthemagimix has a website so I've just had a look. OMG what a load of tosh! Reading the bio it would appear that every failure is somebody elses fault and i would imagine there has been quite a bit of relying on the state (the swines) to provide an income!

Jeez Wazoo....it's always the same with you isn't it. You can't stand the idea that other people don't necessarily agree with your boring arguments and continually strike back with your argumentative statements designed to make you look big and intelligent. Well duh....I think we've seen right through you, Mr\Mrs transparent!!!

Jealous?