Dan Clough column: Top six must still be Rovers’ target

Rovers goalkeeper Paul Robinson comes and claims a cross during the East Lancashire derbvy

Rovers goalkeeper Paul Robinson comes and claims a cross during the East Lancashire derbvy

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I’M still reeling from Sunday’s defeat, so the best thing to do is pretend it didn’t happen.

Failing that, I can just never speak of it again, starting with today’s column.

So, tomorrow’s game against Bournemouth is a must-win if we are to continue with this idea that we could, possibly, make the play-offs.

Daft as it sounds after a pointless March, we are still in with a chance if we can get over this period of inconsistency.

Despite the disappointing stop-start season this has been so far, we are still just six points behind sixth place with a game in hand.

Bournemouth are not a great side, but they must not be underestimated.

The Cherries are managed by ex-Clarets boss Eddie Howe who will probably be hoping to avenge the 3-1 defeat at the Goldsands Stadium earlier this season.

They also come into the game on the back of two wins, albeit against Blackpool, who haven’t won for a long time, and Doncaster who are battling relegation.

However, Bournemouth are still a side that should be there for the taking and our boys should be fired up and ready to get back to winning ways after a disappointing couple of results.

Jordan Rhodes has broken his nine-game duck and will hopefully resume his dangerous partnership with Rudy Gestede.

And with Corry Evans back in the side we should be a lot more rigid across the middle, and hopefully David Dunn will be fit to play some part in the game.

To be considering promotion after such an average season is bizarre, but it just goes to show how poor this league is.

Just when you think we’ve written ourselves out of it with back-to-back defeats, Barnsley beat Forest, Millwall win at Derby, Brighton and Reading cancel each other out and Rovers are still in the mix.

I’m not confident of making the top six, and I won’t be until I see us string more than two wins together, but the possibility is there.

As for Sunday? I’ve already forgotten. Honest.

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4:16pm Tue 11 Mar 14

greenscreener says...

The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil. greenscreener
  • Score: 6

4:18pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

"I'm still reeling from Sunday’s defeat, so the best thing to do is pretend it didn't happen."

Sorry Dan, that won't make it go away. You got turned over AT EWOOD by Burnley, and in the process gave us the massive boost of going 8 points clear of Derby in 3rd place, and ironically ending your own season.

A good result all round.
"I'm still reeling from Sunday’s defeat, so the best thing to do is pretend it didn't happen." Sorry Dan, that won't make it go away. You got turned over AT EWOOD by Burnley, and in the process gave us the massive boost of going 8 points clear of Derby in 3rd place, and ironically ending your own season. A good result all round. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

Having a bad period Dan ? Try Tampax
Having a bad period Dan ? Try Tampax FCBurnley
  • Score: -9

4:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

Oh and that horrible nasty feeling you have right now. It will not go away until you beat us and that could be a very long time.
Oh and that horrible nasty feeling you have right now. It will not go away until you beat us and that could be a very long time. FCBurnley
  • Score: -4

4:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

dangerous dave says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
"I'm still reeling from Sunday’s defeat, so the best thing to do is pretend it didn't happen."

Sorry Dan, that won't make it go away. You got turned over AT EWOOD by Burnley, and in the process gave us the massive boost of going 8 points clear of Derby in 3rd place, and ironically ending your own season.

A good result all round.
exactly and good luck to you - your teams consistent performances and all round ability has got them were they rightly belong - as for this idiot Dan saying best thing is to' pretend it didnt happen' - what an idiot - I wish I could pretend that the Venkeys didnt own the club and that Bowyer was'nt manager and that we did'nt have a team of freebies and no bodies but we have and thats why we sit were we are in the Championship!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: "I'm still reeling from Sunday’s defeat, so the best thing to do is pretend it didn't happen." Sorry Dan, that won't make it go away. You got turned over AT EWOOD by Burnley, and in the process gave us the massive boost of going 8 points clear of Derby in 3rd place, and ironically ending your own season. A good result all round.[/p][/quote]exactly and good luck to you - your teams consistent performances and all round ability has got them were they rightly belong - as for this idiot Dan saying best thing is to' pretend it didnt happen' - what an idiot - I wish I could pretend that the Venkeys didnt own the club and that Bowyer was'nt manager and that we did'nt have a team of freebies and no bodies but we have and thats why we sit were we are in the Championship!!!!!!!! !!!!!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave
  • Score: 0

4:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

kfc yummy says...

Another push for a play-off place eh! lads.
Another push for a play-off place eh! lads. kfc yummy
  • Score: -11

4:56pm Tue 11 Mar 14

site supervisor says...

WHAT if ROVERS get to the playoffs against Burnley.... IF THEY SLIP UP.
You wish then you hadn't won ........
WHAT if ROVERS get to the playoffs against Burnley.... IF THEY SLIP UP. You wish then you hadn't won ........ site supervisor
  • Score: 4

5:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up.

Just seen an interesting tweet;

"Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions.

Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe.

That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up. Just seen an interesting tweet; "Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions. Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe. That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6. owd nick
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Tue 11 Mar 14

HDRover says...

Yes and we're also 6 points behind ' in form ' Wigan who also have
a game in hand on us, plus a much better goal difference.

Don't you study the table Danny lad ?

I think we can Forget the top six.
Yes and we're also 6 points behind ' in form ' Wigan who also have a game in hand on us, plus a much better goal difference. Don't you study the table Danny lad ? I think we can Forget the top six. HDRover
  • Score: 5

5:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

krazzi horse says...

Jesus Maria........when will we get back our own site back and Burn lee3 ?And then Danny boy says 4get I never happened Jesus Maria. COYB
Jesus Maria........when will we get back our own site back and Burn lee3 ?And then Danny boy says 4get I never happened Jesus Maria. COYB krazzi horse
  • Score: 4

5:58pm Tue 11 Mar 14

kenbro says...

After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times. kenbro
  • Score: 12

6:28pm Tue 11 Mar 14

adcr says...

Here we go again. Every week there is an article by somebody saying "the promotion push starts now". I'm just about done with this season, we need to admit that either we arn't/weren't good enough, or we just let promotion drift away by not putting enough shifts in. If it weren't for Rhodes and Cairney this season, we would more than likely have been just above the relegation positions, so let's not kid ourselves.

I'm more interested in next season now, and I really hope that there is another mass clear out at the end of this season. I would keep about 8-9 players from this current sqaud. The rest need to go. Not because they lost to Burnley, but because it's the only way we can move forward and progress.
Here we go again. Every week there is an article by somebody saying "the promotion push starts now". I'm just about done with this season, we need to admit that either we arn't/weren't good enough, or we just let promotion drift away by not putting enough shifts in. If it weren't for Rhodes and Cairney this season, we would more than likely have been just above the relegation positions, so let's not kid ourselves. I'm more interested in next season now, and I really hope that there is another mass clear out at the end of this season. I would keep about 8-9 players from this current sqaud. The rest need to go. Not because they lost to Burnley, but because it's the only way we can move forward and progress. adcr
  • Score: 5

6:42pm Tue 11 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
[quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving. FCBurnley
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Ewood_Mark says...

Our play off hopes are OVER, they looked very slim before Sunday and Burnley basically closed our play off door. I'm sick of every time we lose, Bowyer or the players say we "still have play off's in sight". This team is not good enough to go up. Bowyer isn't good enough to guide a team up. Dyche's two subs appeared to change the game for them and their whole team never gave up. The sign of a quality manager.
Our play off hopes are OVER, they looked very slim before Sunday and Burnley basically closed our play off door. I'm sick of every time we lose, Bowyer or the players say we "still have play off's in sight". This team is not good enough to go up. Bowyer isn't good enough to guide a team up. Dyche's two subs appeared to change the game for them and their whole team never gave up. The sign of a quality manager. Ewood_Mark
  • Score: 8

6:57pm Tue 11 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

owd nick wrote:
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up. Just seen an interesting tweet; "Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions. Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe. That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6.
Hi
Interesting.
I don't think Gary Bowyers early rash signings helped many of whom are out on loan or struggling to get in the side.

5 of the side against Bolton a game ago were on the bench.

I don't have confidence I am afraid in his purchases many of whom are not top Championship level players and they have been sadly exposed as not being good enough.

Gary Bowyer wasted a lot of pre season on poor purchases unfortunately

just my opinion owd nick
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up. Just seen an interesting tweet; "Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions. Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe. That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6.[/p][/quote]Hi Interesting. I don't think Gary Bowyers early rash signings helped many of whom are out on loan or struggling to get in the side. 5 of the side against Bolton a game ago were on the bench. I don't have confidence I am afraid in his purchases many of whom are not top Championship level players and they have been sadly exposed as not being good enough. Gary Bowyer wasted a lot of pre season on poor purchases unfortunately just my opinion owd nick MattNewcastle
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Tue 11 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Realistically.

I see us getting to 59 / 60 points with our remaining games, sadly not good enough to make the playoffs with other teams around us accruing points as well especially Wigan

Would obviously love to be proved wrong.
Realistically. I see us getting to 59 / 60 points with our remaining games, sadly not good enough to make the playoffs with other teams around us accruing points as well especially Wigan Would obviously love to be proved wrong. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

tweeter and the monkey man says...

I still cant understand taking dunny off in the first place and then not bringing gestede on at least in his place.
Instead bowyer opted for a guy whose been here a couple of minutes and no ones ever really heard of.
If anyone other than some dingle trying to be funny can explain that to me ide be grateful.
Cos I simply cant understand it.
And tbh its bugging me.
I still cant understand taking dunny off in the first place and then not bringing gestede on at least in his place. Instead bowyer opted for a guy whose been here a couple of minutes and no ones ever really heard of. If anyone other than some dingle trying to be funny can explain that to me ide be grateful. Cos I simply cant understand it. And tbh its bugging me. tweeter and the monkey man
  • Score: 3

7:49pm Tue 11 Mar 14

twquick says...

Kind of a painfully pointless article. Every team is out to finish as high as possible, every team wants a shot at the Premier League. Blackburn getting into the top six will extremely difficult because not only are they six points back, they are six points back of TWO teams AND there are two more teams in between. It's a very tall order to pass that many in the span of 13 matches. Anything is possible, just not very likely in this case.
Kind of a painfully pointless article. Every team is out to finish as high as possible, every team wants a shot at the Premier League. Blackburn getting into the top six will extremely difficult because not only are they six points back, they are six points back of TWO teams AND there are two more teams in between. It's a very tall order to pass that many in the span of 13 matches. Anything is possible, just not very likely in this case. twquick
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Can't forget about it Dan because this match has virtually written off any promotion hopes and is typical of GB's inept tactics and decision making this season. He has hardly put any back to back wins together all season and we have just suffered two back to back defeats therefore why should anyone believe that we will go on a winning spree now.. With this squad and the number players he has brought in this year we should at least be in a play off positon right now in my view even if you take into account the amount of injuries we have had. We are all desperate for GB to succeed but at the moment he's falling short and can only hope he can do an S.D next season.
Can't forget about it Dan because this match has virtually written off any promotion hopes and is typical of GB's inept tactics and decision making this season. He has hardly put any back to back wins together all season and we have just suffered two back to back defeats therefore why should anyone believe that we will go on a winning spree now.. With this squad and the number players he has brought in this year we should at least be in a play off positon right now in my view even if you take into account the amount of injuries we have had. We are all desperate for GB to succeed but at the moment he's falling short and can only hope he can do an S.D next season. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Tue 11 Mar 14

twquick says...

tweeter and the monkey man wrote:
I still cant understand taking dunny off in the first place and then not bringing gestede on at least in his place.
Instead bowyer opted for a guy whose been here a couple of minutes and no ones ever really heard of.
If anyone other than some dingle trying to be funny can explain that to me ide be grateful.
Cos I simply cant understand it.
And tbh its bugging me.
I'm a dingle, but I'm not trying to be funny. Sometimes managers are looking to catch lightening in a bottle. Put someone new in and hope for a bit of magic, stranger things have happened in derbys. It backfired on him. I'm sure in hindsight, Bowyer wishes he'd never done it.
[quote][p][bold]tweeter and the monkey man[/bold] wrote: I still cant understand taking dunny off in the first place and then not bringing gestede on at least in his place. Instead bowyer opted for a guy whose been here a couple of minutes and no ones ever really heard of. If anyone other than some dingle trying to be funny can explain that to me ide be grateful. Cos I simply cant understand it. And tbh its bugging me.[/p][/quote]I'm a dingle, but I'm not trying to be funny. Sometimes managers are looking to catch lightening in a bottle. Put someone new in and hope for a bit of magic, stranger things have happened in derbys. It backfired on him. I'm sure in hindsight, Bowyer wishes he'd never done it. twquick
  • Score: 4

8:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

crankitup says...

first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season.

as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation.

when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)...

i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet....

as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace
first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season. as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation. when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)... i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet.... as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace crankitup
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ghost of sceptic says...

FCBurnley wrote:
kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.[/p][/quote]It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true. ghost of sceptic
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Tue 11 Mar 14

crankitup says...

ghost of sceptic wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.
so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong...
[quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.[/p][/quote]It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.[/p][/quote]so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong... crankitup
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ghost of sceptic says...

crankitup wrote:
ghost of sceptic wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.
so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong...
Championship, Divisions 1 2 3 all basiclly feeder clubs for the big clubs in the prem. Money talks we are all easy pickings and Burnley fans must know whats coming as it did with Fletcher, Rodriguez, and Austin.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.[/p][/quote]It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.[/p][/quote]so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong...[/p][/quote]Championship, Divisions 1 2 3 all basiclly feeder clubs for the big clubs in the prem. Money talks we are all easy pickings and Burnley fans must know whats coming as it did with Fletcher, Rodriguez, and Austin. ghost of sceptic
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Manuel Hung says...

ghost of sceptic wrote:
crankitup wrote:
ghost of sceptic wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.
so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong...
Championship, Divisions 1 2 3 all basiclly feeder clubs for the big clubs in the prem. Money talks we are all easy pickings and Burnley fans must know whats coming as it did with Fletcher, Rodriguez, and Austin.
I'm being realistic and the thing that sets us apart from Wowvers is that if we are promoted we are mostly anticipating a subsequent return to the Championship at some point.

While playing in the Prem we will not spend £ millions beyond our means and we won't have a believe that it is our right to continue playing at that level regardless.

What it will mean is a massive pay day for the club and financial security which will be a foundation for our next push back to the Prem.

Unfortunately for you, as long as Venkys own things I don't think it would make any difference who you sign as manager or players. They are your biggest problem.
[quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.[/p][/quote]It wont be enough for your top players to be just playing in the prem. Ings and maybe others will leave for bigger and better contracts, dont forget you have a wage cap and will not pay what bigger and more established clubs can pay. Sad state of football but true.[/p][/quote]so true GOS, the powers that be are taking from the poor in an aim to replenish the wealthy.....where it should be the other way around....they should be making it easier for the so called 'lesser clubs' to contest the mightier clubs for a share of the spoils...it's all wrong...[/p][/quote]Championship, Divisions 1 2 3 all basiclly feeder clubs for the big clubs in the prem. Money talks we are all easy pickings and Burnley fans must know whats coming as it did with Fletcher, Rodriguez, and Austin.[/p][/quote]I'm being realistic and the thing that sets us apart from Wowvers is that if we are promoted we are mostly anticipating a subsequent return to the Championship at some point. While playing in the Prem we will not spend £ millions beyond our means and we won't have a believe that it is our right to continue playing at that level regardless. What it will mean is a massive pay day for the club and financial security which will be a foundation for our next push back to the Prem. Unfortunately for you, as long as Venkys own things I don't think it would make any difference who you sign as manager or players. They are your biggest problem. Manuel Hung
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up. Just seen an interesting tweet; "Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions. Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe. That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6.
Hi
Interesting.
I don't think Gary Bowyers early rash signings helped many of whom are out on loan or struggling to get in the side.

5 of the side against Bolton a game ago were on the bench.

I don't have confidence I am afraid in his purchases many of whom are not top Championship level players and they have been sadly exposed as not being good enough.

Gary Bowyer wasted a lot of pre season on poor purchases unfortunately

just my opinion owd nick
Can't argue with most of that at all.

As an ex manager in a production role I don't envy GB at all, at least my every move wasn't watched and criticised by press and fans, not that I had any fans. lol.

I was a **** to the guys on the shop floor and an incompetent to the morons above sat in their ivory towers hand out their pointless, inane instruction, but that's life and I am well out of it now.

Managers tend to be caught between a rock and a hard place at the best of times, armchair managers (fans) who are far batter qualified to do the job and either owners or boards that need to watch the pennies.

Then chuck FFP into the mix.

He doesn't have a bloody chance in my opinion.

When he took over GB obviously went for players he knew, didn't really work, but he has made some good signings as well.

For me he just need a bit of luck, something that has been in extremely short supply since he took over.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, one game at a time and let's see where we end up. Just seen an interesting tweet; "Rovers have fielded 35 players this season; 3 goalkeepers, 10 defenders, 15 midfielders and 7 strikers in all competitions. Only one player has played in every game"; (I actually make it two) Spurr and Lowe. That sort of sums up the carnage, it's a surprise we are still in touch with the top 6.[/p][/quote]Hi Interesting. I don't think Gary Bowyers early rash signings helped many of whom are out on loan or struggling to get in the side. 5 of the side against Bolton a game ago were on the bench. I don't have confidence I am afraid in his purchases many of whom are not top Championship level players and they have been sadly exposed as not being good enough. Gary Bowyer wasted a lot of pre season on poor purchases unfortunately just my opinion owd nick[/p][/quote]Can't argue with most of that at all. As an ex manager in a production role I don't envy GB at all, at least my every move wasn't watched and criticised by press and fans, not that I had any fans. lol. I was a **** to the guys on the shop floor and an incompetent to the morons above sat in their ivory towers hand out their pointless, inane instruction, but that's life and I am well out of it now. Managers tend to be caught between a rock and a hard place at the best of times, armchair managers (fans) who are far batter qualified to do the job and either owners or boards that need to watch the pennies. Then chuck FFP into the mix. He doesn't have a bloody chance in my opinion. When he took over GB obviously went for players he knew, didn't really work, but he has made some good signings as well. For me he just need a bit of luck, something that has been in extremely short supply since he took over. owd nick
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

crankitup wrote:
first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season.

as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation.

when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)...

i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet....

as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace
Well said cranky.

My thoughts exactly, but a the end of the day I am a Rovers fan of 44 years and counting, my daughter is 16 and went to her first game at Ewood when she was 5.

I will be a ST holder for life and I am pretty certain she will be as well.

In those 44 years I have seen a few highs and many, many lows, far too many, are Venky's the lowest? I am not sure, when I think of it there have been some pretty bleak days in those 44 years.

But that's what being a fan of any small club entails, and for evidence look at the Burnley fans on Sunday, that was the highlight of many of their lives, to me it was the loss of 3 vital points.

Nothing more.

So don't pack it in mate as you inferred on another thread, Rovers need fans like us who will stick with them through thick and thin, just like Burnley need the handful of fans who have stood by then through 35 years of bleak disappointment, while it hurts me to say it I do hope that some of those guys were there on Sunday, because they are the ones who deserve to remember and celebrate every single second.

And one thing is for certain, irrespective of Venky's we will have our time again, I just hope I live to see it.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season. as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation. when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)... i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet.... as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace[/p][/quote]Well said cranky. My thoughts exactly, but a the end of the day I am a Rovers fan of 44 years and counting, my daughter is 16 and went to her first game at Ewood when she was 5. I will be a ST holder for life and I am pretty certain she will be as well. In those 44 years I have seen a few highs and many, many lows, far too many, are Venky's the lowest? I am not sure, when I think of it there have been some pretty bleak days in those 44 years. But that's what being a fan of any small club entails, and for evidence look at the Burnley fans on Sunday, that was the highlight of many of their lives, to me it was the loss of 3 vital points. Nothing more. So don't pack it in mate as you inferred on another thread, Rovers need fans like us who will stick with them through thick and thin, just like Burnley need the handful of fans who have stood by then through 35 years of bleak disappointment, while it hurts me to say it I do hope that some of those guys were there on Sunday, because they are the ones who deserve to remember and celebrate every single second. And one thing is for certain, irrespective of Venky's we will have our time again, I just hope I live to see it. owd nick
  • Score: 6

10:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

French Rover says...

greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`....
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`.... French Rover
  • Score: 0

10:44pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

A pretty obvious statement there but of course they have to aim as high as possible. 6th place is beyond us but the players and manager have to play as though they still believe they can do it. They owe it to themselves and the supporters ( proper ones that is )
A pretty obvious statement there but of course they have to aim as high as possible. 6th place is beyond us but the players and manager have to play as though they still believe they can do it. They owe it to themselves and the supporters ( proper ones that is ) Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

owd nick wrote:
crankitup wrote:
first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season.

as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation.

when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)...

i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet....

as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace
Well said cranky.

My thoughts exactly, but a the end of the day I am a Rovers fan of 44 years and counting, my daughter is 16 and went to her first game at Ewood when she was 5.

I will be a ST holder for life and I am pretty certain she will be as well.

In those 44 years I have seen a few highs and many, many lows, far too many, are Venky's the lowest? I am not sure, when I think of it there have been some pretty bleak days in those 44 years.

But that's what being a fan of any small club entails, and for evidence look at the Burnley fans on Sunday, that was the highlight of many of their lives, to me it was the loss of 3 vital points.

Nothing more.

So don't pack it in mate as you inferred on another thread, Rovers need fans like us who will stick with them through thick and thin, just like Burnley need the handful of fans who have stood by then through 35 years of bleak disappointment, while it hurts me to say it I do hope that some of those guys were there on Sunday, because they are the ones who deserve to remember and celebrate every single second.

And one thing is for certain, irrespective of Venky's we will have our time again, I just hope I live to see it.
Keep believing old lad! Of course Venkys have been a disaster and we don't need David to remind us of this but it's time to move on and move up. I just hope that we carry forward the fans enthusiasm into tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: first of all Dan you don't learn from you're mistakes by pretending they didn't happen.....as bitter as it is we lost to Burnley the first time in 35 years and if we were all honest with ourselves it was on the cards....Burnley tho it pains me to say so have been head and shoulders above us most of this season. as for your comment about how poor this league is, i think is a little disrespectful of all the teams at both ends of the table.....lets take it back 12 months and we were at the other end of this league looking into the black hole of relegation. when will you and so many others admit we (Blackburn Rovers Football Club) are were we are due to the inept actions of others (Venkys)... i do agree however that we (BRFC) are going nowhere unless our team of 'so called professional football players' start to put some results together instead of some mediocre performances like those of late.....if we don't take three points against AFCB tomorrow then Gary and our squad need to take a long hard look at themselves and question whether they are playing for the club or the pay packet.... as a life long Rovers fan and the father of a part of the next generation of Rovers fans, i can honestly say from the bottom of my heart that the venkys have been the worst thing to happen to this club in my life time....these have been dark times and if i'm honest i can't see an end to it anytime soon....god bless you Jack Walker....what you did for us has been undone by a bunch of know nothing baffoons who know nothing about passion...nothing about football.....and even less about people....may you rest in peace[/p][/quote]Well said cranky. My thoughts exactly, but a the end of the day I am a Rovers fan of 44 years and counting, my daughter is 16 and went to her first game at Ewood when she was 5. I will be a ST holder for life and I am pretty certain she will be as well. In those 44 years I have seen a few highs and many, many lows, far too many, are Venky's the lowest? I am not sure, when I think of it there have been some pretty bleak days in those 44 years. But that's what being a fan of any small club entails, and for evidence look at the Burnley fans on Sunday, that was the highlight of many of their lives, to me it was the loss of 3 vital points. Nothing more. So don't pack it in mate as you inferred on another thread, Rovers need fans like us who will stick with them through thick and thin, just like Burnley need the handful of fans who have stood by then through 35 years of bleak disappointment, while it hurts me to say it I do hope that some of those guys were there on Sunday, because they are the ones who deserve to remember and celebrate every single second. And one thing is for certain, irrespective of Venky's we will have our time again, I just hope I live to see it.[/p][/quote]Keep believing old lad! Of course Venkys have been a disaster and we don't need David to remind us of this but it's time to move on and move up. I just hope that we carry forward the fans enthusiasm into tomorrow. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Frenchie, Greenie and Accy, totally agree.
Frenchie, Greenie and Accy, totally agree. owd nick
  • Score: 1

11:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

taurus1530 says...

Stop being delusional, there is no chance of the play offs, we are simply not ready. Transfer embargo will cause problems but maybe just maybe we could do it next year. I like Gary Boyer but his tactics are a doubt, think he could do with some experience behind him as support.
The team are playing with spirit, but fanny around with the ball and lose it far too often in critical areas. Jason Lowe being the main culprit, but on Sunday even Hanley was as bad. Where is the training to install the right attitude, get in there and kill the opposition early doors, game over.
Stop being delusional, there is no chance of the play offs, we are simply not ready. Transfer embargo will cause problems but maybe just maybe we could do it next year. I like Gary Boyer but his tactics are a doubt, think he could do with some experience behind him as support. The team are playing with spirit, but fanny around with the ball and lose it far too often in critical areas. Jason Lowe being the main culprit, but on Sunday even Hanley was as bad. Where is the training to install the right attitude, get in there and kill the opposition early doors, game over. taurus1530
  • Score: 1

11:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

Simply put and to save time reading all this tosh, ur not good enough!
Simply put and to save time reading all this tosh, ur not good enough! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 0

11:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

keanoutofrovers says...

FCBurnley wrote:
kenbro wrote:
After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads.
As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times.
For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem.
If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season.
Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back.
You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.
Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.
It will all come down to money as it always does. Stoke are reported to be looking at Ings today and if they offer him 30k or even 20k a week he will go. No hard feelings but money talks. I'm sure if Rhodes was offered a 10-15k a week rise he would force a move. You just need to hope You hold out for a decent fee but with only 12 months left on his contract I think 5/6 million is the best you could hope for. The only way to avoid this is to try to tie him down now but you'll have to move quickly as I'm sure his agent is reading these stories and eyeing up a nice little earner.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: After watching the Sunday game, two things should be obvious to Rovers and Claret fans. So let's get realistic lads. As a Rover, we are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. We have too many journeymen and don't have enough quality. Our managers team selection and substitutions defy reason at times. For Burnley. You will probably get automatic promotion and well done by the manager who has done it on a shoe string, however, your side is nowhere near being good enough to avoid a relegation fight from day one in the Prem. If you lose any of your top players or manager during the off season it will just increase your chances of coming back down after one season. Will you be able to sign any Prem quality players before next season ? They are very pricey and we Rovers know all about the problem with high wages creating financial problems when you drop back. You Clarets have had a good season and have had a lot to cheer about, unlike us. If you go up you will be seeing the big teams at the Turf. Enjoy it while it lasts. We envy you feeling good about your team and club, but these things come in cycles and I'm sure that we will meet many more times.[/p][/quote]Overall a pretty fair assessment except. If Burnley do get promoted it is unlikely that we will lose any of our `star` players. Clearly some replacements will be needed but obviously cash will be available. I can see no reason why SD should leave unless of course a huge job offer comes along. I think he will at least want to give it a try with `his` team. Dyche seems to have a great eye for a player and knows what he wants. One thing is for sure and that is IF we go up we will be far better prepared and more financially stable than last time. And even then we finished 18th and came mightily close to surviving.[/p][/quote]It will all come down to money as it always does. Stoke are reported to be looking at Ings today and if they offer him 30k or even 20k a week he will go. No hard feelings but money talks. I'm sure if Rhodes was offered a 10-15k a week rise he would force a move. You just need to hope You hold out for a decent fee but with only 12 months left on his contract I think 5/6 million is the best you could hope for. The only way to avoid this is to try to tie him down now but you'll have to move quickly as I'm sure his agent is reading these stories and eyeing up a nice little earner. keanoutofrovers
  • Score: 2

12:47am Wed 12 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

Ewood_Mark wrote:
Our play off hopes are OVER, they looked very slim before Sunday and Burnley basically closed our play off door. I'm sick of every time we lose, Bowyer or the players say we "still have play off's in sight". This team is not good enough to go up. Bowyer isn't good enough to guide a team up. Dyche's two subs appeared to change the game for them and their whole team never gave up. The sign of a quality manager.
Altering your punctuation might help disguise your multiple accounts trollster.

Unless of course you do it on purpose you train spotter..

By the way Dyche is a quality manager, which is why he'll have an Owen Coyle mask on any time soon...... it's coming a mile off and you can't even see it.
[quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Our play off hopes are OVER, they looked very slim before Sunday and Burnley basically closed our play off door. I'm sick of every time we lose, Bowyer or the players say we "still have play off's in sight". This team is not good enough to go up. Bowyer isn't good enough to guide a team up. Dyche's two subs appeared to change the game for them and their whole team never gave up. The sign of a quality manager.[/p][/quote]Altering your punctuation might help disguise your multiple accounts trollster. Unless of course you do it on purpose you train spotter.. By the way Dyche is a quality manager, which is why he'll have an Owen Coyle mask on any time soon...... it's coming a mile off and you can't even see it. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 1

12:52am Wed 12 Mar 14

carltondry says...

Not being funny however anyone noticed a change in the overall attitude of posters since we lost on Sunday both from Rovers and Clarets fans ?
More realistic, sensible & honest posts with some humility as opposed to the childish mud slinging and name calling.
Its actually turned back into a proper forum and long may that continue.
Not being funny however anyone noticed a change in the overall attitude of posters since we lost on Sunday both from Rovers and Clarets fans ? More realistic, sensible & honest posts with some humility as opposed to the childish mud slinging and name calling. Its actually turned back into a proper forum and long may that continue. carltondry
  • Score: 1

4:32am Wed 12 Mar 14

Roverthere says...

Let's be realistic any chance of a playoff place dissapeared with the last two results, plus the fact that other teams have hit form. Mid table finish for Rovers at best!
GB should now be developing a team/squad and tactics for next season. Still a few team changes to be made, players to go and potential player targets to be assessed. A dissapointing season, but an improvement on the previous one and some movement in the right direction from the club. Next season is our best chance. On the positive side if Burnley (Due respect to them) can be promoted, I see no reason we can't. GB should use the rest of the season to experiment and identify areas to strengthen.
Let's be realistic any chance of a playoff place dissapeared with the last two results, plus the fact that other teams have hit form. Mid table finish for Rovers at best! GB should now be developing a team/squad and tactics for next season. Still a few team changes to be made, players to go and potential player targets to be assessed. A dissapointing season, but an improvement on the previous one and some movement in the right direction from the club. Next season is our best chance. On the positive side if Burnley (Due respect to them) can be promoted, I see no reason we can't. GB should use the rest of the season to experiment and identify areas to strengthen. Roverthere
  • Score: 2

6:49am Wed 12 Mar 14

golazzo says...

What a pathetic report from the L.E.T. Childish like comments. Grow up we beat you fair and square. Burnley are by far the better team and shows how far we have you come.

Your club my friend is just a shadow in our footsteps.
What a pathetic report from the L.E.T. Childish like comments. Grow up we beat you fair and square. Burnley are by far the better team and shows how far we have you come. Your club my friend is just a shadow in our footsteps. golazzo
  • Score: -4

7:00am Wed 12 Mar 14

hasslem hasslem says...

golazzo wrote:
What a pathetic report from the L.E.T. Childish like comments. Grow up we beat you fair and square. Burnley are by far the better team and shows how far we have you come.

Your club my friend is just a shadow in our footsteps.
its not a report - its a blog from a supporter. can't you tell the difference.

anyhow tend to think that dan is a bit delusional - top 6? next season maybe....but we are well off the pace this season
[quote][p][bold]golazzo[/bold] wrote: What a pathetic report from the L.E.T. Childish like comments. Grow up we beat you fair and square. Burnley are by far the better team and shows how far we have you come. Your club my friend is just a shadow in our footsteps.[/p][/quote]its not a report - its a blog from a supporter. can't you tell the difference. anyhow tend to think that dan is a bit delusional - top 6? next season maybe....but we are well off the pace this season hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 1

7:20am Wed 12 Mar 14

BelTower says...

Meanwhile..........b
ack in the real world
Meanwhile..........b ack in the real world BelTower
  • Score: 0

8:08am Wed 12 Mar 14

Rovers 1495 says...

greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
A settled team ... he's fielded 35 different players so far this season
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]A settled team ... he's fielded 35 different players so far this season Rovers 1495
  • Score: 0

8:25am Wed 12 Mar 14

greenscreener says...

Rovers 1495 wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
A settled team ... he's fielded 35 different players so far this season
So which bit of 'needs to find' did you have trouble understanding ?
[quote][p][bold]Rovers 1495[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]A settled team ... he's fielded 35 different players so far this season[/p][/quote]So which bit of 'needs to find' did you have trouble understanding ? greenscreener
  • Score: 2

8:50am Wed 12 Mar 14

greenscreener says...

French Rover wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`....
I don't think turmoil will ever be far away from this club Frenchie, the best we can hope for right now is the owners to be low profile and the team to find some consistent form. Without both then a new manager is on the cards and the whole cycle starts again.

GB had to pick up a club with a dysfunctional infrastructure, sort out a lot of overpaid under performers, a squad of not suitable foreigners, and reduce the costs. On the pitch he needed to rebuild the team and cope with a lot of injuries, while carrying the pressure of unreasonable expectation stoked by the unexpected successes of our neighbours.

Granted he's brought in a lot of players on the cheap, some of whom will not make it, but even fergie made mistakes. He's going primarily for young, British lads with the right attitude and has the makings of a team that, if they gel together, can compete in the championship.

Another change of manager, coming in under tighter financial constraint, would have to work with Bowyers squad, and try to unite the club again, who could pick the man who could and would do that ?
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`....[/p][/quote]I don't think turmoil will ever be far away from this club Frenchie, the best we can hope for right now is the owners to be low profile and the team to find some consistent form. Without both then a new manager is on the cards and the whole cycle starts again. GB had to pick up a club with a dysfunctional infrastructure, sort out a lot of overpaid under performers, a squad of not suitable foreigners, and reduce the costs. On the pitch he needed to rebuild the team and cope with a lot of injuries, while carrying the pressure of unreasonable expectation stoked by the unexpected successes of our neighbours. Granted he's brought in a lot of players on the cheap, some of whom will not make it, but even fergie made mistakes. He's going primarily for young, British lads with the right attitude and has the makings of a team that, if they gel together, can compete in the championship. Another change of manager, coming in under tighter financial constraint, would have to work with Bowyers squad, and try to unite the club again, who could pick the man who could and would do that ? greenscreener
  • Score: 2

8:52am Wed 12 Mar 14

realisticrover says...

Dont get me wrong, I'm sure Bowyer would have expected to get more out of his early signings, but...
please remember that Bowyer works with the squad day in day out, not just for 90 mins on a saturday.
Probably the most important thing for him last summer was to urgently get some hard working, British bodies that he can trust around the place, setting good examples on the training pitch and putting a shift in on a saturday afternoon.
All of his signings had a point to prove and some ability...unlike the 6 portuguese that Keane signed and even such as Pedersen.
Even though they didnt make too much of an impression on the starting XI I'm sure they would have really helped to change the spirit within the club...and in fairness, they are still young enough to do so, AND we'll probably be able to sell them for a profit!
Dont get me wrong, I'm sure Bowyer would have expected to get more out of his early signings, but... please remember that Bowyer works with the squad day in day out, not just for 90 mins on a saturday. Probably the most important thing for him last summer was to urgently get some hard working, British bodies that he can trust around the place, setting good examples on the training pitch and putting a shift in on a saturday afternoon. All of his signings had a point to prove and some ability...unlike the 6 portuguese that Keane signed and even such as Pedersen. Even though they didnt make too much of an impression on the starting XI I'm sure they would have really helped to change the spirit within the club...and in fairness, they are still young enough to do so, AND we'll probably be able to sell them for a profit! realisticrover
  • Score: 1

9:09am Wed 12 Mar 14

owd nick says...

carltondry wrote:
Not being funny however anyone noticed a change in the overall attitude of posters since we lost on Sunday both from Rovers and Clarets fans ?
More realistic, sensible & honest posts with some humility as opposed to the childish mud slinging and name calling.
Its actually turned back into a proper forum and long may that continue.
For some of us it's been a proper forum for quite a while, and that includes some Burnley fans as well, but I do reserve the right to give the troll a bashing now and then when the mood takes me.

One yank of it's chain and you can pretty much hear the capital keys crashing and sense the flying spittle.
[quote][p][bold]carltondry[/bold] wrote: Not being funny however anyone noticed a change in the overall attitude of posters since we lost on Sunday both from Rovers and Clarets fans ? More realistic, sensible & honest posts with some humility as opposed to the childish mud slinging and name calling. Its actually turned back into a proper forum and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]For some of us it's been a proper forum for quite a while, and that includes some Burnley fans as well, but I do reserve the right to give the troll a bashing now and then when the mood takes me. One yank of it's chain and you can pretty much hear the capital keys crashing and sense the flying spittle. owd nick
  • Score: 0

9:59am Wed 12 Mar 14

owd nick says...

greenscreener wrote:
French Rover wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`....
I don't think turmoil will ever be far away from this club Frenchie, the best we can hope for right now is the owners to be low profile and the team to find some consistent form. Without both then a new manager is on the cards and the whole cycle starts again.

GB had to pick up a club with a dysfunctional infrastructure, sort out a lot of overpaid under performers, a squad of not suitable foreigners, and reduce the costs. On the pitch he needed to rebuild the team and cope with a lot of injuries, while carrying the pressure of unreasonable expectation stoked by the unexpected successes of our neighbours.

Granted he's brought in a lot of players on the cheap, some of whom will not make it, but even fergie made mistakes. He's going primarily for young, British lads with the right attitude and has the makings of a team that, if they gel together, can compete in the championship.

Another change of manager, coming in under tighter financial constraint, would have to work with Bowyers squad, and try to unite the club again, who could pick the man who could and would do that ?
The best thing we can hope for right now is that the owners find a way of negating the debt that we owe them.

If you read through FFP there does appear to be ways of manipulating things and we do appear to be in a rather strange position with the fact that Venky's do appear to hold all but £11 million of the £56 million debt, that £11 million is in the form of an agreed overdraft.

From what I have been reading FFP isn't as clear cut as first impressions suggest.

Of course Rovers have to cut their cloth accordingly, that's a given, but I am pretty certain they will have some good people studying the small print, and there is an awful lot of small print.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]Hi Greenie, agree with most of that, especially the importance of finishing the season strongly, but personally I think that any turmoil has gone for good from Ewood with the departures of Kean, Agnew and Shebby. I think we can say that actually Turmoil has gone the same way as Elvis and `has now left the building`....[/p][/quote]I don't think turmoil will ever be far away from this club Frenchie, the best we can hope for right now is the owners to be low profile and the team to find some consistent form. Without both then a new manager is on the cards and the whole cycle starts again. GB had to pick up a club with a dysfunctional infrastructure, sort out a lot of overpaid under performers, a squad of not suitable foreigners, and reduce the costs. On the pitch he needed to rebuild the team and cope with a lot of injuries, while carrying the pressure of unreasonable expectation stoked by the unexpected successes of our neighbours. Granted he's brought in a lot of players on the cheap, some of whom will not make it, but even fergie made mistakes. He's going primarily for young, British lads with the right attitude and has the makings of a team that, if they gel together, can compete in the championship. Another change of manager, coming in under tighter financial constraint, would have to work with Bowyers squad, and try to unite the club again, who could pick the man who could and would do that ?[/p][/quote]The best thing we can hope for right now is that the owners find a way of negating the debt that we owe them. If you read through FFP there does appear to be ways of manipulating things and we do appear to be in a rather strange position with the fact that Venky's do appear to hold all but £11 million of the £56 million debt, that £11 million is in the form of an agreed overdraft. From what I have been reading FFP isn't as clear cut as first impressions suggest. Of course Rovers have to cut their cloth accordingly, that's a given, but I am pretty certain they will have some good people studying the small print, and there is an awful lot of small print. owd nick
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Tombo1984Evans says...

greenscreener wrote:
The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.
A team is only as successful as his manager.

We have a coach who doesn't play his best team in there best positions with the best tactics and very rarely gets substitutions right.

Will say it again. Bowyer... Good coach... Good finance balancer... Average manager...
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: The target is simply to finish as high as possible, GB needs to find a settled team that can produce winning performances consistently. A strong finish may not be enough to gain top 6, but it will set them up for next season. A weak finish and it will be another summer of turmoil.[/p][/quote]A team is only as successful as his manager. We have a coach who doesn't play his best team in there best positions with the best tactics and very rarely gets substitutions right. Will say it again. Bowyer... Good coach... Good finance balancer... Average manager... Tombo1984Evans
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Wed 12 Mar 14

RobH2O says...

Select Target. Aim. Miss!
Select Target. Aim. Miss! RobH2O
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